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Madgeniusfigo
post Feb 12 2016, 12:26 PM

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QUOTE(-kytz- @ Feb 7 2016, 03:37 AM)
Is Great Eastern's Smart Protect Essential+ Smart Medix Xtra+ Extender for RM250/month expensive? I do get Annual limit of RM990k (Unlimited life time limit), RM100k lump sum for disability+ unlimited medical expenses + premium waved until age 99.

1) From my understanding from the agent, the total premium paid will be capital guaranteed? Meaning, GE doesn't touch my premium and I have access to it after x years in full. Or was the agent BS-ing me sad.gif

2) Any cheaper plans? I just want medical plan which covers all medical expenses and capital guaranteed if possible lol
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GE medical card+ smart medix xtra is a great plan that covers you rm990k yearly. However, rm250 cost per month could be your age and added disability rider, premium waived rider. It can be cheaper. Really need to know what's your goal and objectives only can design the plan cater for your need.

1. There's no capital guarantee whatsoever for medical plan. Cash value return is never guaranteed. Premium have chances rise in the future but less likely to happen.

2. There's no capital guaranteed for medical plan, however the plan can be cheaper than rm250 for your objective.
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post Feb 12 2016, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(-kytz- @ Feb 12 2016, 01:42 PM)
The agent misled me into thinking it's capital guaranteed which was the main reason why I signed up for the plan.

How much cheaper can it go? Since its not capital guaranteed, I'm not willing to pay that much premium. Perhaps 100-150 a month? Must cover medical expenses at least.
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1. That's horrible and unhonorable to misled ppl into submission.

However, medical plan do provide 3 years non lapse guaranteed, even when investment depleted at downturn within 3 years time, it won't lapse. I think that's what he was trying to say but somehow misled you into believing capital guaranteed lifetime.

2. Rm150 would be nice range to cover all your need. However, what's your age? As age is one of the determinant factor that affects your premium.

This post has been edited by Madgeniusfigo: Feb 16 2016, 05:23 PM
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post Feb 12 2016, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(ragk @ Feb 11 2016, 04:11 PM)
Hi,
planning to go europe for few months, if i wanted to buy insurance for my travel, i have to buy with our local or oversea insurance company?
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Just chose any insurance company that covers ur need. If you fly with AirAsia, do get it from tune insurance.
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post Feb 12 2016, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(Sunny zombie @ Jan 31 2016, 03:30 PM)
The reason why people buying ILP  compared to traditional plan is the level premium

Traditional plan premium will increase as the insurance charges increase:
i.e
Age Insurace charge Premium
30    1000/year          1200/year
40    2000/year          2400/year
50    3000/year          3600/year
60    4000/year          4800/year

Comparatively, ILP
i.e
Age Insurace charge Premium
30    1000/year          3000/year
40    2000/year          3000/year
50    3000/year          3000/year
60    4000/year          3000/year

The excess amount paid in earlier stage will be accumulated and net of excess amount in later stage
If the cash value projected in so low, then the policy will not be able to sustain, meaning to say if even we pay the premium, the olicy will also lapsed.
so, is cash value a concern? depends.......
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Dear,

I think u might have mistakenly misplaced ilp and traditional.

Traditional plan should be level term premium, the premium will stay constant throughout

ILP premium would changes accordingly with the investment yield. If the yield return is very low, the premium allocation for insurance charges couldn't cover. The premium would increase accordingly.
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post Feb 13 2016, 08:42 AM

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QUOTE(JIUHWEI @ Feb 12 2016, 05:07 PM)
Darling,

I think he/she is talking about medical insurance.  sweat.gif

And darling, I think you're right for the most part about ILP.  thumbup.gif
But hor ILP is a whole life non-par plan. It is designed as a term-life + UT kind of plan.
If the yield return is very low this year, no worries, you get to buy more units.
But hor, let's say in the later years when we all shopping for burial grounds but Najib still haven't resign and the hippo still got hair, then I think we need to do a top-up lah.

Otherwise, premium naik or not, ILP riders COI charges confirm cheaper than traditional plans.
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Darling biggrin.gif ,

1. just some minor correction, ILP is not a whole life.

2. whole life non par usually refers to traditional plan

3. Yes get to buy more units, UT strategy called dollar cost averaging. slowly purchasing more units with the share units price hit rock bottom and gradually rising.

4. usually medical card comes as rider in Investment link policy, hence it is related.

5. usually non par or par terms only applicable to traditional plan. Investment link policy is investment yield or dividend will be given back as cash value.

6. usually traditional plan premium is level term compare to ILP which premium will fluctuates depending on the investment yield and the economy. Hence, when you purchase traditional plan the premium usally will be higher compare to ILP. do take note, traditional plan is whole life, hence the premium higher factor should be considered.

7. good discussion, keep it coming biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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post Feb 13 2016, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(cwsimonho @ Feb 4 2016, 12:56 AM)
I'm planning to get life insurance (just death and TPD). I heard that general insurance companies give a cheaper rates. Is it true? Anyone can quote me a term life or whole life of 1M age 30 non smoker. Thanks
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Dear cwsimonho,

1. General insurance doesn't provide life insurance., general insurance just provide insurance other than life personal insuramce. Exp car.

2. 1mil 30 non smoker will.be around rm300 a month.
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post Feb 15 2016, 06:23 PM

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QUOTE(-kytz- @ Feb 14 2016, 05:56 PM)
I haven't signed the policy yet but I will inform the agent tomorrow to cancel it.

I'm 26 this year.
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1. age 26, for medical card with TPD and death benefit. The premium range would be rm150-rm200. depends on how much protection you need.

2. It really depends how would you wanna customized your protection. Do you need 36types illness protection?, how much to protect for death insured, do you need hospitalization benefit rider and etc. There's wide variety of customization, but really depends on your objective to what you need and want.

3. All this need a though due diligence on your need before anything can be decided. biggrin.gif
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post Feb 15 2016, 06:35 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Feb 15 2016, 12:08 AM)
This non lapse policy is provided you paid all your 5 year premium on time.
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1. Yes 5 years only applicable to AIA.

2. 3 years applicable to Great easstern
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post Feb 15 2016, 06:36 PM

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QUOTE(MICHELE88 @ Feb 14 2016, 11:37 PM)
can i know non lapse guaranteed apply to all company? How about Prudential
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1. most of the insurance firm do provide 3 years non lapse guaranteed, some have some don't have. You have to explore this question with the agent firm you are purchasing with.


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QUOTE(gheyfriend @ Feb 15 2016, 05:14 PM)
interested to buy those  medical card as a backup plan..no need fancy fancy type la..i got frens bought at 1K + yearly but when i ask around, it will cost me 3-400 monthly..
then if buy for kids, if parents die they will top up la this n tat..but is there anything simple that i pay monthly 100+ ?
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Dear,

1. Rm300-400 that's costly.

2. May I know whats your

a.Date of birth
b. occupation
c. male female
d. smoker?

3. Yes, there's simple standalone medical card that prolly for medical.
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post Feb 19 2016, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(starry @ Feb 18 2016, 11:58 PM)
Hi,
Anyone here can advise on total surrender value?
Based on this policy, if survival benefit is withdrawn,
total surrender value upon maturity
= Guaranteed maturity value + Non-guaranteed maturity value
= RM15960+RM105256.68
= RM121216.68
Is that correct?
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Dear,

1. Correct one should be scenario A as per shown. It would be wise if you call up the insurance firm to get the latest details of the total value receivable.
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post Feb 29 2016, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(AdrG @ Feb 29 2016, 01:21 PM)
Hi Guys,

Need Some advice on home insurance or MLTA.
i was originally planning to get the MLTA, but then Allianz had offer me their premierlink which is about 100 per month. total 1500 per year.

which sounds and looks better than MLTA and goes to me or family member instead of directly to bank which i believe is what MLTA is.
i have read the previous posts and found out since its a ILP, its been quoted to me with 100% invested in "allianz life managed fund"

i just need it to cover my home or future home if anything happen to me. i already have a medical insurance.

im worried about the fund allocation, if i need to pay anything extra in the future if the investment had gone bad or something like that.

appreciate your opinion and advice.  notworthy.gif
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1. When it comes to ILP, definitely there's inherent risk. Hence, you have to be aware that the projected cash value is never a fixed amount you will receive in the future.
But as always, the allocation of fund can be adjusted to allot the cash into different risk level investment, just inform agent your comfort zone level

2. As always, don't look at cash value if you opt for liabilities protection, always opt for protection and the premium you are paying for instead.

3. Just inform agent your concern and they will adjust accordingly to your requirement and objective, while consulting you of a more prudent steps to take.

4. If you need any consultation or help, do contact me 016-868-1373

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MRTA
1. REDUCING protection, when interest rate rise, the protection will be reduced and couldn't covered the total loan amount.
2. when you sell or refinance your property, MRTA policy will lapse. You will need to purchase a new one whereby factor in your current age, it will be even more expensive
3. It's only beneficial to the bank
4. Interest will be charged when finance into the loan amount
5. There's a time frame for the amount to be claimed when (death/TPD) occured. 2-4 years. With will writing 2-3 years.

MLTA
1. it is a term protection. Rm500k protection, after 35 years will still be Rm500k
2. When sell or refinance your proeprty, MLTA wouldn't lapse and will still be active.
3. It's beneficial to you
4. There's Hot cash receivable when you lapse the policy. Around 20 years, your cash value receivable will breakeven with total premium paid.
5. Death or TPD occured, it will take 7-30 days to receive the death benefit cash value


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post Mar 16 2016, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(garrick86 @ Mar 16 2016, 11:49 AM)
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Hi guys, im aged 30 with non-smoker

Currently has bought almost a year of the GE RM150 R&B medical card, 120k death, 100 CI.

Now I am in dilemma of upgrading the existing RM150 to RM200 or get the AIA one with more tempting benefits but lesser cash value.

Need a third pair of eyes on advice on this issue.

Should I continue another with existing GE, and buy the AIA for 1 year while waiting for the 1 year no-claim period?
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This is orange to Apple comparison.
Do ask both agent to quote something similar. Only then u can compare
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QUOTE(avms01 @ Mar 17 2016, 11:44 AM)
Hello All
I'm new here.
Looking for medical card and did some checking around.

Need advice/sharing on below
1. GE medical card - Is this cashless card or your it's pay first and reimburse?
2. On traditional medical card versus Investment Link, in long run which is better from optimizing our money. Meaning, if I buy traditional medical card and the difference I invest?

Thank you for your sharing.
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1. You need to pay medical card in monthly or yearly premium installment

2.on traditional medical card, it's definitely very cheap, but the coverage is not up to par, as the insurance annual limit will be lower and there's co insurance.

3. Investment link medical plan has a far better reach medical plan structure.
a. No co insurance
b. Annual limit of up to rm1.2mil
c. Can add lady care
d. Cheapest premium payment every rm100/month for the protection.. But based on ur age, living lifestyle and occupation to determine the price.
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post Mar 17 2016, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(leonard73 @ Mar 17 2016, 01:33 PM)
Standalone medical is far beyond the par of investment linked medical plan now.

Major reasons are that stand alone is cheaper in any age caps compared to ILP. Prove can be found out on both plans holder policy under insurance charges schedule.

This guideline had been imposted by bank negara to all insurance company including the agents Commissions and all the hidden charges.

Old plan holder do not find this in your old policy, only recent years bought do hv. If yours not showing this, you cam request your agents to get it for you.

I wanted to highlight here is regardless traditional medical plan or investment linked plan, the insurance charges is quoted based on your age, no insurance co quote you regardless your present age, whereas investment linked medical plan, they used the term 'premium' to include all charges.

i just sharing on my concern of anyone who is interested to get insured and avoid them being twisted into one of the burden in their lives
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Can u quote me medical plan with below features
1. No co insurance
2. Annual limit at least 900k renewable
3. Room 150

Medical plan standalone.
Age 28
Non smoking

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post Apr 14 2016, 12:57 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Apr 13 2016, 02:45 PM)
100 is abit tight but do able
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Do show such low premium quotation, If it's true, I would think of buying it too.

CHeers
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post Apr 14 2016, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Apr 14 2016, 11:41 AM)
yeap possible if you're still young, definitely not when you're much more older e.g age 40 & above.  console.gif
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Dear,

So,
For RM100 package for both

1. It's a stand alone medical card only?

2. How young are you saying? do give a more detailed example.

3. Does it covers 36types of illness?

4. I am still young. laugh.gif laugh.gif
Do provide a quotation, for age 28 and 29 couple.

Thanks laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Vingoh @ Aug 6 2016, 11:37 PM)
Hi sifu, AIA investment link insurance policy insured you until 100 years old, but their premium amount unchange for 30years; premium amount will increase 30 years later, am i correct? May i know prudential also same? Or if we bought prudential investment link insurance policy until 80 years old, the premium amount is unchanged till 80 years old or it will increase 30 years later?
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1. For investment link policy products, the insurance premium initial agreed amount isn't fixed. The insurance cost will increase over time due to the cost of living increasing etc. Hence the proportion of % premium been invested back with cash value couldn't cover the cost of insurance, the premium will be duly adjusted.

2. Nothing is fixed forever! It's applicable to all investment link policy throughout all different company, the same.

3. Hence, sometimes agent would put the premium higher so that the return yield will be higher at the beginning and cover any additional need of premium hike in the future.


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QUOTE(sienAa @ Sep 23 2016, 03:38 PM)
Hi all, I'm planning to purchase investment-linked medical insurance, budget will be around RM200 to RM250 per month.
Can I have some suggestions on which insurer I should opt for?
There's too many insurance companies out there, a bit confusing.
Thanks.
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Most of the insurance company can provide you with sufficient protection with appropriate premium. You can do a due diligence on which company products would best fit your requirement.

I think you can pop questions like what's best offer by Company X Y Z E, here and maybe there's some agent here able to give you some appropriate answer


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post Sep 24 2016, 12:48 PM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Sep 24 2016, 11:48 AM)
they will ask u go to their office or meet up to provide u quotation
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Usually what insurance agent will do to give add on service is, they will directly meet clients at designated place convenient for client.

Most of the agents practice such meet up method.

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