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post Dec 29 2015, 10:14 PM

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To make sure you know how does insurance works, take a look at the youtube video below.


Insurance is actually a risk sharing medium among the a group of healthy people with the sick one because the group of healthy people knows that someday someone will help them when they need it.

So now let's talk about Life insurance vs medical insurance
Life insurance is the lump sum of payment given out when one diagnose with certain pre-defined covered event such as Death/Total&Permanent Disability and 36 Critical Illness.
Medical insurance is the coverage by the insurance company to pay for the medical bill from the hospital.

So why does one need both Medical and Life insurance?
Imagine that Mr.Lee poo poo got blood and went to hospital for checkup, he is diagnosed with bowel cancer stage 3 after the checkup. The medical bill cost up to RM70,000 for the surgery. This is not the whole amount yet, because for every chemotherapy in the future, the bill is claimable under his medical card too.

The story hasn't ended yet, since he is hospitalized for about 10 days, the doctor has certified that he is not fit to work for the next 6 months. The next thing he knows is his boss asked him to have a "good long rest". So, he loss his income generate power, and here comes the pay cheque from the insurance company to help him sustain his living expenses, car loan, property loan, others health product, Ogawa massage chair, practice Taichi or travel. Here comes the importance of Life insurance, especially Critical Illness coverage.

Medical card is to cover the medical expenses when one hospitalize in hospital whereas life insurance especially Critical Illness coverage is a lump sum compensation where you can use it to cover the lost of income during the period.

Besides this, you can use up to Life/KWSP RM6000 and Medical/Education RM3000 tax relief to lessen your burden when paying for Income Tax, it's a win-win situation for both policyholder and the company.

In general, you need to take both medical and life insurance in a moderate level on your twenties and there is no best company, there is only a company that suits you the most. Rule of thumb for a single youngster at age of 20', about 10% of your monthly income to insurance is sufficient to provide you all the basic protection.
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post Dec 30 2015, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE(loui @ Dec 30 2015, 12:48 PM)
what do you mean by "doable for RM183 or RM15.92"

agent told me they have various types

investment link, par plan, non par plan, endowment plan, term plan & single premium plan

am looking for the cheapest one just to cover my funeral expenses if anything happen

no dependent, the only debts i have is house loan which i already bought MRTA
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uforlife premium is increasing over the age, whereas term/investment link/whole life policy premium are fixed.

If you want to do a head-to-head comparison, you have to add up all the uforlife premium and get the average of it.
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post Dec 31 2015, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 30 2015, 01:43 PM)
Investment link premium may be looked fixed, but it is not guaranteed forever, as it depends on cash bonus or investment return from the investment portion to compensate.

If the investment is making a loss, insurance company may send "love" letter stated, not enough cash/investment portion to compensate the coverage premium, so need to top up...
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Perhaps taking the Cost of Insurance vs the uforlife premium will be a better comparison. nod.gif
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post Jan 5 2016, 09:23 PM

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QUOTE(netcrawler @ Dec 31 2015, 03:09 PM)
I have one question. If an insurance policy for saving plan already paid for 15 years
and Net surrender value 15k. If TPD and insurance company paid out 50k, the Net surrender value still valid?The policy will void once TPD occurs?
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For traditional endowment policy, the total sum assured already added in your cash bonus and surrender value. Which means that if the payout is suppose RM50,000, by 15 years later it should be higher than RM50,000.

Your surrender value will never higher than your sum assured because your sum assured is always added the surrender value. Yes, saving will void once TPD occurs.
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post Jan 6 2016, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(netcrawler @ Jan 5 2016, 11:43 PM)
Did you mean if the initial sum assured is 50K, the sum assured will increase over the time because
increase in Surrender value and cash bonus. For Example,

Initial Sum Assured  = 50K, Cash Bonus after 15 years =  5K , Surrender Value after 15 years = 30K .

The Sum assured (After 15 years) = 50K + 5K + 30K
                                                  = 85K
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It's very depending on the design of the plan, usually for endowment it is.
Total Sum assured: Basic sum assured + Additional Sum assured + Cash bonus + Basic Surrender value + Survival Benefit

That's the reason Total Sum assured are usually higher than your surrender value.

However, as @adele123 advise, this is just the usual scenario, you have to refer back to your policy book.

QUOTE(adele123 @ Jan 6 2016, 09:00 AM)
No no. doesn't work that way. I need to point out certain policy works differently due to design.

anyway... the usual scenario is just SV + Cash Bonus
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jan 6 2016, 09:04 AM)
What will be the best way to buy/top up insurance policy? Lets say I bought a policy at age 20.

At 30, obviously my insurance is "out dated" as medical and everything is up and up. Should I buy new insurance or top up?

At 40, obviously my insurance is "out dated" as medical and everything is up and up. Should I buy new insurance or top up?

At 50, obviously my insurance is "out dated" as medical and everything is up and up. Should I buy new insurance or top up?
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You have to top up according to your need at different life stages not age. For instance, if a person married, bought houses and have debt of RM1,000,000 at age 30, he needs the most coverage at that age. If he divorce(without children) and settled all debt at age 40, basically he doesn't need to increase the protection which he bought at age 30 or maybe he no need any protection at all.

However, this is not the usual case as most people will gain more and more responsibility over the age and adequate of protection to cover debt and your responsibility to your family.

So, how much protection we will need?
Figuring the number you should insured yourself requires a bit of thought. A rule of thumb suggest you get 5 to 10 times your annual salary. But if you want to be more precise about the number you should get yourself insured, think about how much money your family would need to cover the lack of your income.

Getting a life insurance isn't for everyone especially for one that have no dependent. If you have no parent, no sibling, no spouse and no children. What's the point of getting insurance right? However, most of the time, that's not the case as we will definitely have someone who we care when we are leaving the world.

Shall you are a married person, you need to know how much is your total debts as well as your mortgage so that your family doesn't have to worry about these obligations. If you have a spouse that doesn't work or are incompetent to find a job that could easily replace your position as breadwinner, you should take this into account seriously.

Furthermore, we need to take into account that how long does my partner will able to support the family without you as the source of income. You need to calculate the cost to raise your youngest son to age 18, a term or investment link would probably suits this situation.

Obviously there are other people in your life who are important to you and you may wonder if you should insure them. As a rule, you should only insure people whose death would mean a financial loss to you. The death of a child, while emotionally devastating, does not constitute a financial loss because children cost money to raise. The death of an income-earning spouse, however, does create a situation with both emotional and financial losses. This also goes for any business partners with which you have a financial relationship (for example, shared responsibility for mortgage payments on a co-owned property).

Summary (TLDR)
Life coverage = Total liabilities - asset + Family obligation(Parent/Wife/Child)
Critical Illness coverage = 5 times annual income + a medical card preferably half a million annual limit.
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post Jan 7 2016, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(crusher @ Jan 7 2016, 12:10 PM)
Possible to get life insurance directly from insurance company without agent? I am working in general insurance company, but life insurance product is better in some protection.
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Not possible to get life insurance directly from company nod.gif

QUOTE(sugarcookies @ Jan 7 2016, 12:13 PM)
Hi I am reviewing my medical plan and below are what I got:

Allianz - 79K Life, Medical 850K Annual Limit, No Life Limit. No CI waiver. Cost RM266.66 per month.
GEL - 12K Life, Basic Medical 90K Annual Limit, 900K Life Limit. Deductible Medical 90K, 900K Annual Limit, No Life Limit. With CI waiver. Cost RM210 per month.
Manulife - 10K Life, Basic Medical 150K Annual Limit, No Life Limit. Deductible Medical 150K, No Annual Limit (mean as long as within Life Limit), 850K Life Limit. No CI waiver. Cost RM216.66 per month.

Allianz looks good to me as it's a non-deductible plan with high annual limit and no life limit. And the premium doesn't really jerk up a lot with the benefits. But I always remember what u pay is what u get, I am afraid that I may overlook something or some drawback which I have yet to discover. Or could it be Allianz started with a much lower premium but increase drastically years later?

Can sifu sekalian help to provide some insights please?
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You have a very detailed comparison of your own, you already can make a decision yourself. Perhaps as you said, some companies are tend to have higher past record of increasing the cost of insurance and some don't, and the agent's attitude and professionalism should be in your consideration as well. nod.gif
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post Mar 12 2016, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(lls119 @ Mar 10 2016, 12:06 AM)
I dont have any accident
Mayb some sports injurury
Now knee got a bit pain
If not staying at hospital, then cant claim?
4k for physio
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What's your medical card company? Check out for accidental outpatient treatment, you may claim under that. I've previously helped a few forumer to claim for the physiotheraphy for accident outpatient in Great Eastern. nod.gif

QUOTE(alandhw @ Mar 10 2016, 12:14 PM)
Need some advise here.
I already have SmartProtection from GE. Looking for increase the TPD and CI coverage value. I should upgrade the existing policy or buy new policy?
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Ask your existing agent to upgrade from existing policy, if he wouldn't able to do so, you may pm me. smile.gif
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post Mar 12 2016, 11:45 PM

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QUOTE(baymax7 @ Mar 12 2016, 10:35 PM)
Dear Insurance sifu,

Recently, I came across this advertisement.

AXA 200 CancerCare
https://110cancercare.com/

- 50% of Cancer Patients Will Be Financially Broke A Year After Diagnosis  sad.gif
- 1 in 4 People in Malaysia Will Develop Cancer sad.gif

It started me thinking on cancer treatment, a few questions came to my mind:

1. Does insurance medical card cover for hospitalization of early stage cancer?
2. Does it cover for treatment (chemotherapy/radiotherapy/etc.) for early stage cancer?

Thanks for helping to answer this for the benefit of those buying insurance.
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Medical card are covering the cancer treatment for any stage of cancer, no worries about it nod.gif

However, the one you are reading is a plan which will compensate one with a certain amount of sum assured shall one diagnose with early stage of critical illness to pay off mortgages or living expenses.
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post Mar 14 2016, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(Bussybody @ Mar 14 2016, 01:09 PM)
Hi

i am curios whether can i claim my personnel insurance and company provided insurance at a same time?

for example; lets say if someone involved in an accident and hospitalize for a month (or so unlucky pass away), can he/she claim his/her own personnel bought insurance and company one at a same time?

Thank u.
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There are two types of insurance.

Indemnity
This type of plan compensate you based on the receipt or total lost have occurred.
Example: Medical card
For medical coverage, you may claim leftover bill from your company's medical card to your personal medical card. For example: If the bill is RM100,000 and your company is covering RM10,000, you may claim RM90,000 under your personal insurance.

Benefits
This type of plan compensate you based on the amount of sum assured you have bought.
Example: Life, TPD, 36 Critical Illness
For life coverage, you may claim from as many party or insurance company as the policies are inforce. Example: company bought RM20,000 life protection for you, you have bought RM100,000 for yourself. The family may claim total RM120,000 total life coverage upon death.
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post Mar 15 2016, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(Sitting Duck @ Mar 14 2016, 02:47 PM)
Hi,

Wonder any one can help me. I'm having a investment link life and medical plan with AIA that I bought more than 10 years ago.

Back then the medical plan has co insurance and lifetime limit.

I found out recently that the new medical
Plan do not have co insurance and life limit any more so I approach another agent from AIA asking whether I'm able to upgrade my existing medical plan.

However, I'm being told by this new agent that even if I upgrade the exciting plan, the medical plan will still follow the old coverage which still has lifetime limit and co insurance. The only way that I could get the new medical plan without co insurance and lifetim limit is to buy a new plan.

Anyone can advise me whether this is true ?  I feel that I have been paying for the last 10 year plus and it's quite a waste just throwing it away and have to start again with cool off period and the need to declare my health status again.

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I do think you are able to upgrade your medical plan under the same investment link policy, if it's standalone medical plan, then perhaps you need to buy a new policy. nod.gif

If you are under Great Eastern, you will be able to upgrade your investment linked policy without buying a new one and there will be a conditional waiting period of 1 month. Which means that anything within the first 30 days you will be able to claim under the old medical benefit. If anything happen after 31 days, then you will claim under the new medical card benefit. That's how Great Eastern repay to the loyal client.

QUOTE(InabaKai @ Mar 15 2016, 02:15 PM)
Hi guys,i hope someone can answer my question,
I want to withdraw some money from my Life insurance,to pay my study fee,so i go to their branch to ask if i can withdraw some,and he give me 3 option:
1)Loan some money rm1,xxx
2)Bonus rm4,xxx
3)close account rm7,xxx

I thought to choose close account,because,i can more.

Not much though,so i ask my mon opinion,because this,insurance from my mom,she say,dont close my account,because it will increase to RM150,000 ,when i 55 years,
Is it true?
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It depends on your current financial status, if you are still able to survive without closing the account and only take out the bonus, I would suggest you to do so.

Take out RM4k from the bonus, ask the company to use the future bonus to pay for your premium and you should able to enjoy more bonuses in the future.

QUOTE(InabaKai @ Mar 15 2016, 02:32 PM)
Even though im not pay anymore?
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If you are not paying, the company will still declare bonus to you, and your policy will use the bonus to pay for the insurance premium. Of course the maturity benefit might not be RM150,000 at 55 years old but it's still a big amount considering you are not paying the premium.
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post Mar 15 2016, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Mar 15 2016, 03:34 PM)
Maybe that account is a unit link account, and surrendering now will put the surrender value based on Unit Value at the moment.
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Investment linked policy wouldn't have "policy loan", furthermore 10 years ago, Investment linked policy isn't as popular as nowadays. I strongly believe it's Whole life Participating Traditional plan or Endowment plan.

QUOTE(InabaKai @ Mar 15 2016, 04:25 PM)
Ok,Im understand.
1 last question,where did the bonus take out from?
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What is a participating policy?

Participating policies are insurance policies which provide both guaranteed and non-guaranteed benefits. The sum assured is a guaranteed benefit and is paid when the policy matures or upon the death of the insured. Participating policyholders are allowed to participate or share in the profits of the insurance company’s participating fund. This is paid in the form of bonuses or cash dividends. Bonuses and cash dividends are non-guaranteed benefits.

Premiums of participating policies are pooled together in a designated participating fund. The fund invests in assets such as government and corporate bonds, equities, property and cash. The proportions of the assets may change over time, depending on the investment strategy for the fund.

Participating policies usually take time to build up cash values. If a policy is surrendered early, a surrender value will usually be paid only if the policy has been in force for at least three years. The amount paid will be adjusted to deduct certain charges.

Non-participating policies pay just the sum assured when the policy matures or upon the death of the insured. The policyholder does not participate or share in the profits of the insurance company’s participating fund and is not entitled to any non-guaranteed benefits.

You can read more directly from here: http://www.moneysense.gov.sg/Understanding...g-Policies.aspx
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post Mar 16 2016, 05:25 PM

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QUOTE(InabaKai @ Mar 15 2016, 08:42 PM)
Hi,so i actually have withdraw,rm4,000,and left around 3,000 right?how much will i get till i 55?now im 23.
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Only the company will be able to calculate it for you based on the money you have withdrawn nod.gif

QUOTE(garrick86 @ Mar 16 2016, 09:53 AM)
Hi bro,

How about if I increase just room and board, from 150 to 200, will that subjected to waiting period?
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QUOTE(garrick86 @ Mar 16 2016, 10:49 AM)
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Hi guys, im aged 30 with non-smoker

Currently has bought almost a year of the GE RM150 R&B medical card, 120k death, 100 CI.

Now I am in dilemma of upgrading the existing RM150 to RM200 or get the AIA one with more tempting benefits but lesser cash value.

Need a third pair of eyes on advice on this issue.

Should I continue another with existing GE, and buy the AIA for 1 year while waiting for the 1 year no-claim period?
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What's the reason you wanted to upgrade your room? There will be no penalty on upgrading the room & board upon admission in Great Eastern, the only thing is you have to pay the different between the room you went in and the medical card room. Unless you wanted to upgrade your annual limit to a higher limit. nod.gif

Your priority should be increasing the sum assured of your life/TPD/36 Critical illness and early 36 Critical Illness. smile.gif You may ask your Great Eastern agent for a plan call Great Early Living Care, I think it suits you nod.gif
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post Mar 19 2016, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(avms01 @ Mar 17 2016, 10:44 AM)
Hello All
I'm new here.
Looking for medical card and did some checking around.

Need advice/sharing on below
1. GE medical card - Is this cashless card or your it's pay first and reimburse?
2. On traditional medical card versus Investment Link, in long run which is better from optimizing our money. Meaning, if I buy traditional medical card and the difference I invest?

Thank you for your sharing.
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1. GE medical card is cashless.
2. It's very depending on what kind of investment are you looking at. However, the main advantage of ILP over Standalone is not only the cash value but the privilege of your medical plan not getting lapse within a month of premium date by supporting from your cash value. As an ex-staff, I've seen a lot of oldies bang table in Menara Great Eastern because their credit card/bank transfer payment fail or they have forgotten to pay for the premium while travelling within a month. I still remember most of the people are actually seriously ill and out of medical coverage. However, all these cases has been rejected to be reinstate back and as a staff nothing we can do but to follow protocol. sweat.gif

QUOTE(ohcipala @ Mar 17 2016, 11:23 AM)
You can try to have a look at AXA smart optimum care. If you choose the deductible option, you get some discount. You have the option of changing it back to a non  deductible one before age 59 for free too. That way, if you combine your company medical insurance with this, you don't have to pay so much. And if you buy this medical card directly without an agent, you get a bit of discount too.

Edit: If you're worried about the annual limit and others, get the most expensive plan then. I think its still worth it to go for this plan + do whatever investment plan you have (if you're invest savvy la)
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QUOTE(leonard73 @ Mar 17 2016, 12:33 PM)
Standalone medical is far beyond the par of investment linked medical plan now.

Major reasons are that stand alone is cheaper in any age caps compared to ILP. Prove can be found out on both plans holder policy under insurance charges schedule.

This guideline had been imposted by bank negara to all insurance company including the agents Commissions and all the hidden charges.

Old plan holder do not find this in your old policy, only recent years bought do hv. If yours not showing this, you cam request your agents to get it for you.

I wanted to highlight here is regardless traditional medical plan or investment linked plan, the insurance charges is quoted based on your age, no insurance co quote you regardless your present age, whereas investment linked medical plan, they used the term 'premium' to include all charges.

i just sharing on my concern of anyone who is interested to get insured and avoid them being twisted into one of the burden in their lives
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In Great Eastern, under the same room & board and similiar plan(ILP have slightly better benefit), the standalone premium is higher than the ILP's insurance chargers. Been asking around why do the standalone premium is higher than ILP's insurance chargers but yet to find the answer. laugh.gif
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post Mar 19 2016, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(avms01 @ Mar 17 2016, 10:44 AM)
Hello All
I'm new here.
Looking for medical card and did some checking around.

Need advice/sharing on below
1. GE medical card - Is this cashless card or your it's pay first and reimburse?
2. On traditional medical card versus Investment Link, in long run which is better from optimizing our money. Meaning, if I buy traditional medical card and the difference I invest?

Thank you for your sharing.
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1. GE medical card is cashless.
2. It's very depending on what kind of investment are you looking at. However, the main advantage of ILP over Standalone is not only the cash value but the privilege of your medical plan not getting lapse within a month of premium date by supporting from your cash value. As an ex-staff, I've seen a lot of oldies bang table in Menara Great Eastern because their credit card/bank transfer payment fail or they have forgotten to pay for the premium while travelling within a month. I still remember most of the people are actually seriously ill and out of medical coverage. However, all these cases has been rejected to be reinstate back and as a staff nothing we can do but to follow protocol. sweat.gif

QUOTE(ohcipala @ Mar 17 2016, 11:23 AM)
You can try to have a look at AXA smart optimum care. If you choose the deductible option, you get some discount. You have the option of changing it back to a non  deductible one before age 59 for free too. That way, if you combine your company medical insurance with this, you don't have to pay so much. And if you buy this medical card directly without an agent, you get a bit of discount too.

Edit: If you're worried about the annual limit and others, get the most expensive plan then. I think its still worth it to go for this plan + do whatever investment plan you have (if you're invest savvy la)
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QUOTE(leonard73 @ Mar 17 2016, 12:33 PM)
Standalone medical is far beyond the par of investment linked medical plan now.

Major reasons are that stand alone is cheaper in any age caps compared to ILP. Prove can be found out on both plans holder policy under insurance charges schedule.

This guideline had been imposted by bank negara to all insurance company including the agents Commissions and all the hidden charges.

Old plan holder do not find this in your old policy, only recent years bought do hv. If yours not showing this, you cam request your agents to get it for you.

I wanted to highlight here is regardless traditional medical plan or investment linked plan, the insurance charges is quoted based on your age, no insurance co quote you regardless your present age, whereas investment linked medical plan, they used the term 'premium' to include all charges.

i just sharing on my concern of anyone who is interested to get insured and avoid them being twisted into one of the burden in their lives
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In Great Eastern, under the same room & board and similiar plan(ILP have slightly better benefit), the standalone premium is higher than the ILP's insurance chargers. Been asking around why do the standalone premium is higher than ILP's insurance chargers but yet to find the answer. laugh.gif
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post Mar 19 2016, 10:39 PM

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QUOTE(leonard73 @ Mar 19 2016, 06:48 PM)
At early age, standalone is higher, but you will find out when start from age of 65 onwards, Insurance charges from ILP is 2x the traditional plan..  hope you can get the answer soon. :thumbsup:
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At the age of 65 or 70 or 75, standalone premium is still higher than ILP insurance chargers.
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post Mar 21 2016, 05:56 PM

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QUOTE(Ice BabY @ Mar 20 2016, 10:00 PM)
Hello, is there any savings plan come together with life protection or medical? Lol.. Just asking..
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Nope, medical are coming either you are buying it as a form of standalone plan or investment link.

Most of the agent are packaging Investment link with Medical rider as "saving" from the cash value because cash value is withdrawable without any penalty. However, the main purpose of cash value in investment link is to hedge for the future increasing of the insurance chargers. You must understand that the insurance chargers for the medical are keep on increasing and you are expected to top up money to avoid lapse in the future if you have withdraw your cash value. nod.gif

Rather than saying saving plan come with life and medical, I would say life and medical plan comes with the element of saving. nod.gif
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QUOTE(baymax7 @ Mar 22 2016, 08:29 PM)
Dear Insurance guru,

Below is part of extract of projected investment return:

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Illustration of Expected Benefits under net projected investment return of Y%(8.50%) and X%(2.50) assumption

Insurance charges (at age 70)
Basic plan RM1290.96  Rider RM5867.75 (Total = RM7158.71)

Net cash value (at age 70)
Y% RM36,706    X% RM2,334

Yearly premium: RM3120
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Taking the more optimistic return (Y%), it seems like the cash value can only afford to pay for my insurance charges for the next 5 years (36706/7158 ) by the time I reach 70 years old.

My question is:

What will happen when my cash value is no longer enough to pay for my insurance charges at old age? Will my yearly premium double up to RM6000? This is because, I believe my yearly premium of RM3120 will not be enough to cover for the high insurance charges at old age.

Hope to hear your advice on this.

Thanks.
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You will be acknowledged with the increase of premium is the projection of premium isn't enough in the near future. The increase of premium will not be as bad as the standalone since you have paid higher premium (comparing to the standalone) and the accumulation of cash value will be able to cover better than the standalone.

In my opinion, just live the way your life should be and accumulate your wealth from all the others financial and investment aspect. Due to time value of money, in the end of 30 years, the increment of premium could be not large. Just live the life you should and start investment nod.gif .


QUOTE(gotham11 @ Mar 23 2016, 10:47 PM)
Need some expert advise, i only had life insurance wuth 36 critical illness coverage since 1994, i am 44 yrs old now, but i had no medical insurance as my company  cover all my medical expenses. But i was diagnosed of illness with ITP where splectonmy was performed on 2011 . Understd cooling period of 5 yrs, my condition had been stable kast 5 yrs but on medication. How can i get a medical insurance potentially with high loading or high excess or deductible? Anyone can help?
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Splenectomy due to accident, ITP. cyst or any reason? This could largely affect the final result. Pm me to get more information nod.gif
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QUOTE(Mark Renton @ Apr 2 2016, 04:15 PM)
Dear Sifus,

I need your expert opinions on my proposed plan.
a. R&B RM150/Daily

b. ICU (Daily up to 180 days) As charged based on AL & LL

c. Hosp. supplies and services, surgical fees, op theathre, anaesthetic etc - As charged

d. Govt daily cash (120 days) RM50/daily

e. Emergency accident outpatient treatment RM3k/pa

f. Outpatient cancer/kidney treatment - As charged

g. Intraocular - Max Rm2k lifetime

Overall AL RM990k
Increase AL (NCB) RM9k
Overall LL RM900 + SE: Unlimited

Natural Death - RM80k
Accident Death - RM90k
36 Critical - RM40k
TPD - RM80k

Waiver until age 99: TPD/36 critical

Is this normal for RM200/month? I smoke (5 cigs per day), no family/genetic related diseases, earning >RM30k pa, 27 yo. No alcohol/drugs. Really appreciate it if you can voice your expert takes on this. Just wanting to hear second opinions.


Thank you in advance.
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A very standard Great Eastern policy, I think that's the best bang for buck you can find. nod.gif
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post Apr 4 2016, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(badai @ Apr 4 2016, 01:04 PM)
Hi all,

I already have insurance with prudential since 2000. Never use it until last feb where I had an accident. Total of everything including post hospitalization is almost 40k. When I went to prudential to claim for my post hospitalization (I no longer have agent)  they told me my claim is limited to 50k per year, which mean, if I have another accident this year (god forbid) it won't be enough to cover it.

I can upgrade my insurance, but the problem is, I will lost few benefits like hospitalization daily allowance. Also when I took my insurance in 2000, I don't have any medical condition, but now I have high blood pressure and if I renew it, my insurance won't cover it. They advise me to maintain my current insurance and take a new one.

So, anybody can suggest insurance that cover accident and hospitalization? I think that's all I need because my current insurance can cover the rest.

Also they told me that new insurance won't cover 100% like my current insurance, where I need to pay 10% of the cost. Is that true?

Any agent feel free to contact me via PM. thanks.
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For your case, you can get some deductible medical card at cheaper price.

For example if your annual limit is RM50,000. You may get a deductible plan of RM50,000. If the bill is over RM50,000, you can claim over the other medical card.
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post Apr 11 2016, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(Ayrehn @ Apr 8 2016, 02:12 PM)
No worries.  icon_idea.gif
True also. But better than no returns at all right  laugh.gif
Have to agree too. That's one way they wanna see what you dont have and intro you to it.

Have to prove lehh, not feel fraud then can decline.

Plus, talking about clauses.
AIA and GE has got the Withdrawal Portfolio Condition clause.
Anytime they FEEL right to stop their coverage, they can. 30days notice.
This clause is scary as hell.

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GE do not have Portfolio Withdrawal Clause.

QUOTE(aarondotcom89 @ Apr 11 2016, 01:09 PM)
Overall top not Prudential meh?  sweat.gif
It seems last year was
1. Pru
2. GE
3. AIA
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Total Agency distribution Channel First year Premium market share
1)GE
2)Pru
3)AIA

QUOTE(zest168 @ Apr 11 2016, 02:56 PM)
So many criteria to decide insurance plans:

1. Product Feature & Coverage
2. Premium rate
3. Claims Service
4. Agent's Professionalism
5. Insurance Company Financial Strength
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Most of the plan are very similar, you can't get the best out of all. Just get one that among the best 3 choices. Example:
Let's say.
Company A
1. Product Feature & Coverage, number 1
2. Premium rate, number 3
3. Claims Service, number 2
4. Agent's Professionalism, number 1
5. Insurance Company Financial Strength, number 3

Better than

1. Product Feature & Coverage, number 1
2. Premium rate, number 1
3. Claims Service, number 1
4. Agent's Professionalism, number 6
5. Insurance Company Financial Strength, number 1


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