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Ryannate
post Apr 27 2016, 10:28 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Apr 27 2016, 10:23 PM)
1. No increase
2. Like I said he's the client.
5. Wrong again. It's not on %, I've already put the cost involved in the last post which is rm5-6 per month. If it's on %, everyone's policy would have lapsed by now.
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5. Still need to quote.
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post Apr 27 2016, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Apr 27 2016, 04:37 PM)

Monthly premium: RM870
Room & Board: RM200/day
Hospitalisation income: RM200/day
Annual limit: None
Lifetime limit: RM1.5mil
Death/TPD benefit: RM350,000
Critical illness benefit: RM350,000
Medical cover until age 100
Death benefit until age 100

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Dear,

Doesnt make sense that, Annual limit: None, Lifetime limit: RM1.5mil!!!
watabakiu
post Apr 28 2016, 08:15 AM

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Can a person purchase fire insurance on behalf? example is tenant call the insurance provider and wanna buy for the owner. Can ar? Or must be the owner who contact the insurance provider?
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post Apr 28 2016, 08:27 AM

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QUOTE(Ryannate @ Apr 27 2016, 07:33 PM)
My opinion only on medical protection based on your post.
1. Room and board is too low, ain't enough to cover single room in most famous private hospital. What's the maximum   
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2. Panel hospital?
3. Hospitalisation income, what's their requirement to claim that?
4. How many days can a doctor visit per day?
5. Can you asked them to quote separately just medical for comparison, then CI+Life in another quote .
On point No 1, My previous cover for room was RM400. But im now reducing because ive realised that paying high room rates is a waste actually since the extra can be covered by the hospitalisation income of RM250 a day. Pointless paying extra for room coverage every month.
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post Apr 28 2016, 08:31 AM

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QUOTE(Ryannate @ Apr 27 2016, 10:18 PM)
1. If the r&b increase, will the insurance charges also increase?
2. Must reveal before purchased any.
5. No need to argue on this..just quote it and let customer decide. Admin fees are charged based on %.
1. The monthly premiums under AIA are fixed for about 30 years but after year 23, the additional cost of insurance is deducted from the cash value of the policy.

2. Major insurance companies like Prudential and AIA will cover almost all hospitals. Not an issue.

5. What he said is true. No need to separate the quote and get charged extra for admin costs. If you have a good agent, he will explain everything to you. You also need to do your own research before engaging with an agent.
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post Apr 28 2016, 08:33 AM

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QUOTE(kokkit3 @ Apr 27 2016, 10:57 PM)
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Doesnt make sense that, Annual limit: None, Lifetime limit: RM1.5mil!!!
It does make sense.

This means that if you make a super high claim of RM1.5mil in the first year, then u have reached your policy limit already.
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post Apr 28 2016, 08:48 AM

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QUOTE(watabakiu @ Apr 28 2016, 08:15 AM)
Can a person purchase fire insurance on behalf? example is tenant call the insurance provider and wanna buy for the owner. Can ar? Or must be the owner who contact the insurance provider?
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Owner of the property must buy for his own property. Not the tenant
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post Apr 28 2016, 08:59 AM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Apr 27 2016, 04:37 PM)
My current Prudential insurance plan:

Monthly premium: RM670
Room & Board: RM400/day
Hospitalisation income: RM200/day (normal), RM400/day (ICU)
Pre Hospitalisation: 30 days
Post hospitalisation: 90 days
ICU: 30 days
Annual limit: RM150,000
Lifetime limit: RM1.5mil
Death/critical illness benefit: RM350,000
Outpatient cancer & dialysis treatment: as charged but subject to overall lifetime limit
Medical cover until age 80
Death benefit until age 100
Co insurance 10% (min RM300, max RM1,000)
Surgical procedure benefit up to RM10,000 per procedure

Updated Prudential plan:

Monthly premium: RM870
Room & Board: RM200/day
Hospitalisation income: RM200/day (normal), RM400/day (ICU)
Pre Hospitalisation: 30 days
Post hospitalisation: 90 days
ICU: 30 days
Annual limit: None
Lifetime limit: RM1.5mil
Death/TPD benefit: RM350,000
Critical illness benefit: RM350,000
Outpatient cancer & dialysis treatment: as charged but subject to overall lifetime limit
Medical cover until age 100
Death benefit until age 100
Co insurance RM300 flat rate.
Surgical procedure benefit up to RM10,000 per procedure

Proposed AIA Plan

Monthly premium: RM800
Room & Board: RM150/day
Hospitalisation income: RM250/day (normal), RM750/day (ICU)
Pre Hospitalisation: 60 days
Post hospitalisation: 120 days
ICU: 120 days
Annual limit: RM1.0mil
Lifetime limit: None
Death/TPD benefit: RM400,000
Critical illness benefit: RM350,000
Outpatient cancer & dialysis treatment: RM750,000 (per lifetime)
Organ / Bone Marrow transplant: as charged subject to reasonable charges up to annual limit
Medical cover until age 100
Death benefit until age 100
TPD benefit until age 70
No co-insurance.

Seriously considering the AIA option. Any thoughts?
Ive updated the list with some new info.
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post Apr 28 2016, 09:08 AM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Apr 28 2016, 08:33 AM)
It does make sense.

This means that if you make a super high claim of RM1.5mil in the first year, then u have reached your policy limit already.
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Yes exactly, meaning yearly limit is 1.5 mil as mention instead of no limit!!!
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post Apr 28 2016, 09:30 AM

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QUOTE(kokkit3 @ Apr 28 2016, 09:08 AM)
Dear,

Yes exactly, meaning yearly limit is 1.5 mil as mention instead of no limit!!!
No that's not correct. There is a difference.

There is no annual limit so if you hit your overall limit of RM1.5 mil in the first 3 years (for example) then your policy coverage lapses.


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post Apr 28 2016, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Apr 26 2016, 11:58 AM)
sorry le I'm not into product selling. I'm more of a consultant. You should ask those that like to compare the products but end of the day become undecided.
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Wow, you still haven't answered my question on the medical cards.
Someone sounds like a hypocrite and it's fine when you yourself tryna market your own products? hmm.gif
QUOTE(lifebalance @ Apr 27 2016, 07:57 PM)
1. Should be fine as the room and board will increase 100% in 10 year time
2. AIA panel hospital coverage is wide enough
3. As long as you're required to stay in the hospital per day.
4. 2 times per day until 240 days. Additional 2 more time if ICU
5. Doesn't make sense to separate the quote. The cost incur is higher. This idea doesn't make sense.
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post Apr 28 2016, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Apr 27 2016, 04:37 PM)
My current Prudential insurance plan:
Monthly premium: RM670
Room & Board: RM400/day
Hospitalisation income: RM200/day (normal), RM400/day (ICU)
Pre Hospitalisation: 30 days
Post hospitalisation: 90 days
ICU: 30 days
Annual limit: RM150,000
Lifetime limit: RM1.5mil
Death/critical illness benefit: RM350,000
Outpatient cancer & dialysis treatment: as charged but subject to overall lifetime limit
Medical cover until age 80
Death benefit until age 100
Co insurance 10% (min RM300, max RM1,000)
Surgical procedure benefit up to RM10,000 per procedure

Updated Prudential plan:
Monthly premium: RM870
Room & Board: RM200/day
Hospitalisation income: RM200/day (normal), RM400/day (ICU)
Pre Hospitalisation: 30 days
Post hospitalisation: 90 days
ICU: 30 days
Annual limit: None
Lifetime limit: RM1.5mil
Death/TPD benefit: RM350,000
Critical illness benefit: RM350,000
Outpatient cancer & dialysis treatment: as charged but subject to overall lifetime limit
Medical cover until age 100
Death benefit until age 100
Co insurance RM300 flat rate.
Surgical procedure benefit up to RM10,000 per procedure

Proposed AIA Plan
Monthly premium: RM800
Room & Board: RM150/day
Hospitalisation income: RM250/day (normal), RM750/day (ICU)
Pre Hospitalisation: 60 days
Post hospitalisation: 120 days
ICU: 120 days
Annual limit: RM1.0mil
Lifetime limit: None
Death/TPD benefit: RM400,000
Critical illness benefit: RM350,000
Outpatient cancer & dialysis treatment: RM750,000 (per lifetime)
Organ / Bone Marrow transplant: as charged subject to reasonable charges up to annual limit
Medical cover until age 100
Death benefit until age 100
TPD benefit until age 70
No co-insurance.

Seriously considering the AIA option. Any thoughts?
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Personally, I think it was a good choice to reduce the R&B of RM400/day to slightly reduce your premium.
Panel hospitals, you definitely dont have to worry for both of these huge brands.
If all benefits looks good, the last place to look at is what’s behind – T&C.

And if I'm not mistaken, you have PRUvalue med card?
If yes, PRU still pays 80% of your bill after RM1.5million thumbup.gif


This post has been edited by BuddyALSJ: Apr 28 2016, 10:08 AM
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post Apr 28 2016, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(BuddyALSJ @ Apr 28 2016, 09:58 AM)
Wow, you still haven't answered my question on the medical cards.
Someone sounds like a hypocrite and it's fine when you yourself tryna market your own products? hmm.gif
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Since you insist to ask me to recommend a medical card, I feel that AIA medical card is quite good.

Don't agree ? Get another opinion since you're asking for a recommendation. Hope it answers ur question.

This post has been edited by lifebalance: Apr 28 2016, 10:09 AM
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post Apr 28 2016, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Apr 28 2016, 09:30 AM)
No that's not correct. There is a difference.

There is no annual limit so if you hit your overall limit of RM1.5 mil in the first 3 years (for example) then your policy coverage lapses.
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No annual limit
Lifetime 1.5 mil

Whats the annual limit then? If 1.6 mil in a year can claim?
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post Apr 28 2016, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Apr 28 2016, 10:03 AM)
What you're saying is that I'm obligated to answer your question ?
Since you insist to ask me to recommend a medical card, I feel that AIA medical card is quite good.
Don't agree ? Get another opinion since you're asking for a recommendation. Hope it answers ur question.
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Well, you claim to be a pure consultant rather than selling products right?
Then technically, I think you should stand as you claim.

So, why do you recommend AIA and not others?
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post Apr 28 2016, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(kokkit3 @ Apr 28 2016, 10:05 AM)
Dear,

No annual limit
Lifetime 1.5 mil

Whats the annual limit then? If 1.6 mil in a year can claim?
You have answered your own question. You should be aware that both are not stand alone criterias. They are linked. There is no annual limit but it also needs to match the overall lifetime limit.

If you cost is RM 1.6mil, you are still limited by the lifetime limit. So your actual claim is limited to RM1.5mil only.

Refer back to my post and see the difference between the new Prudential plan vs the AIA plan.

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post Apr 28 2016, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Apr 28 2016, 10:33 AM)
You have answered your own question. You should be aware that both are not stand alone criterias. They are linked. There is no annual limit but it also needs to match the overall lifetime limit.

If you cost is RM 1.6mil, you are still limited by the lifetime limit. So your actual claim is limited to RM1.5mil only.

Refer back to my post and see the difference between the new Prudential plan vs the AIA plan.
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Dear,

I totally understand. I want to point out that no annual limit, then there is a life time limit is misleading! No annual limit means unlimited annually! But there is a life time limit! Meaning annually its limited to the maximum of a lifetime limit! Which in this case its 1.5mil, 1.5 mil it self is a limit, how can there not be limit?
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QUOTE(kokkit3 @ Apr 28 2016, 10:41 AM)
Dear,

I totally understand. I want to point out that no annual limit, then there is a life time limit is misleading! No annual limit means unlimited annually! But there is a life time limit! Meaning annually its limited to the maximum of a lifetime limit! Which in this case its 1.5mil, 1.5 mil it self is a limit, how can there not be limit?
We're both talking about the same thing. If you look at the criteria individually, yes it's misleading but not if you are aware that both criteria's are linked to each other and the lifetime limit always takes precedence.
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post Apr 28 2016, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Apr 27 2016, 04:37 PM)

Updated Prudential plan:

Monthly premium: RM870
Room & Board: RM200/day
Hospitalisation income: RM200/day (normal), RM400/day (ICU)
Pre Hospitalisation: 30 days
Post hospitalisation: 90 days
ICU: 30 days
Annual limit: None
Lifetime limit: RM1.5mil
Death/TPD benefit: RM350,000
Critical illness benefit: RM350,000
Outpatient cancer & dialysis treatment: as charged but subject to overall lifetime limit
Medical cover until age 100
Death benefit until age 100
Co insurance RM300 flat rate.
Surgical procedure benefit up to RM10,000 per procedure
Dear,

The general terms of "NONE" is "NO" therefore the general understanding of none annual limit is NO ANNUAL LIMIT.

In this case Annual limit should be "Annual limit: Lifetime limit" or "Annual limit: 1.5 mil (same as lifetime limit)" and not ""NONE"

Please alter if there is any typo else the above is a misleading quotation!
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QUOTE(kokkit3 @ Apr 28 2016, 11:26 AM)
Dear,

The general terms of "NONE" is "NO" therefore the general understanding of none annual limit is NO ANNUAL LIMIT.

In this case Annual limit should be "Annual limit: Lifetime limit" or "Annual limit: 1.5 mil (same as lifetime limit)" and not ""NONE"

Please alter if there is any typo else the above is a misleading quotation!
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Basically, what he means is...
There's an open limit of RM1.5million

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