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post Oct 24 2016, 05:44 PM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Oct 24 2016, 05:24 PM)
No more symbolic Rm1 "free" medical consultation at government hospitals effective next year.
GHs now also playing PPAP......eh sorry PPBP.
Kind of concern about the wellbeing of one ex forumer here and his family whereby he never trusted insurance company and his family health care rely solely on free government hospital.
http://www.moh.gov.my/index.php/database_s...ownload/337/809

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GH has started to offer paid Specialist Doctor to provide full paid healthcare and it is an optional service. The waiting list is shorter as compared to normal.

I believe the Gov is trying to save on subsidies and for this reason they are expanding to more hospitals come 1st Jan 2017.

In the letter, it does not mention the removal of the subsidies entirely?
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post Nov 2 2016, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(Kellicros @ Nov 1 2016, 11:33 PM)
Hi everyone, I have some inquiries regarding a medical card claim, I have a epidermal cyst removed via surgery last week.

Here's the story:

I have a lump on my leg since I was very young but I could not remember since when (the doctor put it 10 years old in my record, I am 31 now), the lump was small and was never diagnosed. I have been paying for my premiums only about 3 years+ , now does this mean it is a pre-existing condition and will not be covered?

The lumps only grew bigger recently and has sign of inflammatory so I decided seek medical help in a hospital, doctor advised to do a biopsy to figure out what it is, so I submitted an hospitalization admission, but the GL was declined due to "lack of report". Agent's advice is to pay for the biopsy myself, then apply the claim later, agent also implies that if the biopsy result states that the lump is not medical necessary, the claim will not be approved, as the treatment is consider "cosmetic" and will not be covered, which I understood completely.

Afraid of having to bear the whole medical AND hospitalization fee myself, I opt to not be hospitalized and proceed with the biopsy. Now here is where it becomes complicated, during the biopsy the doctor discovered that the lump is a cyst but cannot decide if it is harmful. Doctor said she's confident that she could remove the whole thing instead of a small part of it for the biopsy. She asked me if I want to proceed with the complete excision to which I answered yes, because no body want to go through this twice, I thought.

So at the end of the surgery, what could have costed RM500 end up costing about RM2000 and the whole cyst was sent for biopsy. 5 days later, the biopsy report came out, the doctor says it was medical necessary and I should be able to claim, because even though the cyst is benign(not cancer), it is inflamed and ruptured and could be harmful. But the thing is, I am not hospitalized! As in, I did not stay in a ward for a period of time!

So, here're my questions:

1. Again, is my condition considered "pre-existing"?

2. Is hospitalization/staying in a ward compulsory for the claim?
    - Doctor says it is not necessary as this is under "day surgery".
    - My agent insisted that I need to be warded in order to claim, but I have convinced to submit the documents anyway.

3. Is there any chance that my payment will be reimbursed? If there is, how long does it usually take?

Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks in advance.

EDIT: Oh by the way, the insurer is Great Eastern.
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1. Yes, I suspect that the reason for the declination of the GL is not because of the biopsy issue, but because you had "accidentally" mentioned that the lump had existed when you were 10yo to the Doctor during the GL application.

2. No, not necessary to be admitted if the medical condition can be treated as a day surgery. If the day surgery can be pre-planned (for eg, next week only do the surgery) the Doctor may also write in to apply for the GL.

3. However since the above case is clearly a pre existing, day surgery or not, the claims is most likely be rejected.

Generally if the claims are approved, it will be paid within 3 weeks upon submission of the relevant documents which may include:
1. Original Receipts
2. Tax invoices
3. Itemized bills
4. Medical reports or results of test (if any)

This post has been edited by roystevenung: Nov 2 2016, 12:42 PM
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post Nov 11 2016, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Nov 11 2016, 12:17 PM)
hey guys. just an update. I finally managed to withdraw my investment linked savings with my insurance company and it shows on my online account.

that said how long does it take for the cheque to arrive? apparently the lady forgot to ask where I want the cheque to be sent to and I worry that my dog gets my letter before me.
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2 weeks fastest, 3 weeks normal and you should have opted for direct debit instead of cheque.
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post Nov 11 2016, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(galaxynote259 @ Nov 9 2016, 07:08 PM)
What does it mean lack of report and no guarantee letter can be issued?
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If you were referring to the earlier post - the issue is that the person getting the insurance already had the lump when he was 10 yo before he got the insurance.

This is what we call a pre existing illness. The illness or medical condition had existed before the insurance had beena taken.

Otherwise, people will hold back in buying the insurance until they have cancer?

This is also why the insurance can only be purchased when we are still healthy.
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post Nov 18 2016, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(Vincentccw @ Nov 15 2016, 02:42 PM)
Hi, I have a medical card with AIA few years back and I'm planning to work in Singapore next one or two years. Is cancelling my premium a good idea since I won't be getting any coverage at all after I move to Singapore.
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Most insurer has a 90 days travel and residence clause whereby your overseas claim will only be void once you stay more than 90 days outside of MY. If you get it treated in MY, then there is no issue.

Assuming the claim happens before the 90 days of being outside of MY the insurer is still liable to pay the claim, albeit based on average customary charges as being charged by the hospitals in MY.

For example if on average the surgery costs Rm25k in MY, you will only be reimbursed with RM25k and not SGD25k. Second point to note is that you need to pay the claim and file for reimbursement once you get back to MY. To be fair, your premium is paid in RM, not SGD.

As such, if you intend to be in SG for an extended period, then it would be advisable not to cancel the existing medical card and buy an additional SG medical card.

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QUOTE(Vincentccw @ Nov 16 2016, 11:55 AM)
One more question, let say I have an accident or illness in Singapore, and I admitted to their hospital for temporary treatment, if I return to Malaysia for my returning treatment is it still claimable?
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IMO, you should be more worried about the SG hosital bill rather than the post hospitalization at MY as normally that will cost more. Refer to my earlier post.


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post Dec 4 2016, 07:48 PM

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QUOTE(RE57 @ Dec 4 2016, 10:07 AM)
it is true medical plan with investment link will have less impact of medical premium increase in future? compared to medical plan standalone.
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No. No such thing that ILP have less impact of future medical premium increase.

It all depends on the claims ratio for the particular medical portfolio.
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QUOTE(1tanmee @ Dec 4 2016, 11:11 PM)
Is it true that Prudential BSN Takaful do not have standalone medical card?
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Yes its true.
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QUOTE(jes88 @ Dec 6 2016, 07:45 AM)
To AIA senior agent,
i need advice I had AIA ilp with life50K, CLR50K, and medical EC100/MC100 65K limit per confinement, 404K overall lifetime limit, paid premium $2400yr for 14yrs and never claim.

I want to upgrade my medical benefit 1.1m, and was quo. with NEW ilp premium $4200 with life25K. If want to top up on existing policy with 1.1m, the cost of premium will be higher compare to buy a new one.

My Q is , if i take the new ilp, then after 4 months i cancel the old policy, will the AIA treat me as new customer? if treat me as new, may cause problem if later want to claim?
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It is never beneficial to the policy holder to cancel an old policy, just to get a new one (PROVIDED THERE IS NO HEALTH ISSUE during the upgrade). Here is why:

1. Commission
As you may already know the agent's commission is only up to 6 years. Since you've been paying the premium for 14 years, there is no longer any commission paid to the agent.

If you were to upgrade (assuming the upgrade will costs you $5,000/year). That means the agent will only earn $2,600 worth of commission instead of $4,200 for starting a new policy.

2. Incontestability Clause

If a major claim were to happen within the 2 years of Incontestability Clause, the insurer has the right to contest and perform investigation on it. Your old policy of 14 years is considered as "tutup mata" claim.

For upgrading, most insurer will also waive the Waiting Period (120 days) and the new medical card (if accepted), will start after 30 days. Any claims before the 30 days, the old card is still active.

3. Fund Value Accumulations
For the ILP, policies that are above 7th years, the premiums that you pay will form 100% of the funds allocation, which in turn buys you units.

If you were to start a new policy, the fund's allocation will start anew (40% or 45% the first year) meaning your cash value will be slower to accumulate.

For the upgrading, 40% or 45% restart is only on the upgraded portion, not the entire policy.

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1. How much higher would it be for the upgrade? Why is it higher? Is it because of the other riders/benefits on the plan? If you don't need those add on riders anymore, wouldn't it make more sense to remove that benefit on the same policy and upgrade the medical?

2. What are the benefits that was removed that causes the new ILP premium to be cheaper as compared to the upgrade?
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QUOTE(jes88 @ Dec 6 2016, 11:07 AM)
Thanks for the comment. I'm really consent on Point No.2.
The top up will cost add. of RM4152, so the yearly premium shall be RM6552 with 50K Life, 50K CLR & 1.1m medical with removal of old med.
Actually my intention is to upgade the med benefit to 1.1m, or should i buy another standalone med card?
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For point no 2, let us change roles, shall we?

You be the insurer and we be your client. Immediately after 120 days, Cancer claim RM250K. Will you pay without any form of investigation? blush.gif

For the top up, you should ask whether you are able to top up on the medical and at the same time reduce/remove any other riders/benefits to simulate as if you are starting a new policy.

I do not expect the cost to be that much of a difference. It is best to get a full sales quotation for the upgrade and new policy to compare the benefits.
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QUOTE(1tanmee @ Dec 6 2016, 09:53 PM)
BSN Prudential Takaful, have co-insurance or not?
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For the newest plan called Health Enrich+ you have the option to choose from Full Coverage or RM300 Deductible (Smart Saver).
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QUOTE(ckdenion @ Dec 7 2016, 04:52 PM)
roystevenung my friend bought a PruFlexi Med in May 2013 and checked with the customer service with her that her plan is RM300 R&B with RM50k annual limit and lifetime limit of 20x the annual limit.

i've checked the product brochure that RM300 R&B plan comes with RM150k annual limit. not sure whether did i miss out anything here? double confirm with the customer service with the R&B and annual limit already. I'm confused...
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PruFlexi Med annual limit is not tied to the room and board and customer is free to choose the annual limit.

Yr friend can get himself register to online customer portal and check that info himself.

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QUOTE(1tanmee @ Dec 6 2016, 11:30 PM)
Was quoted this. Meaning to say, that for each time I am hospitalized, I would need to fork out RM300, or it is only for the first RM300 for a calendar year, and subsequently it will be fully borne by BSN Prudential?

So the decision is whether to pay higher premium but no deductible, or pay lower (in this case, it'd be cheaper by RM312) per annum?
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The deductible, it sounds scary when you put it like that ...

When was the last time you get admitted to the hospital? RM300 deductible will not cause us to fall into financial difficulties,.no?

You dont get admitted to the hospital monthly right? For cancer treatment that Rm300 is waived.

It aims to help you to save the mthly premium/insurance charges in the long run as compared to plans with full claim.

Plans that are full claim, you are infact paying thethe "deductible" upfront from the higher premium.

The deductible option is also used by even those international insurer like Bupa/ red cross to lower the insurance premium especially at older age.


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QUOTE(syirbiznatch @ Dec 13 2016, 08:52 PM)
Asking for opinion on insurance claim:

I have this pain in my wrist for months and go for diagnostic for 'carpal tunnel syndrome' or severe joint injury but the result is negative.. Previously was covered with AIA insurance from previous company. They did covered my expenses (one of the procedures to diagnose for TB arthritis that cost RM20k but still negative).

Now working with new company and no insurance plan, I plan to take an insurance plan which I can use for 'other diagnostic'. Is it possible to pay for 1-2 months and then do further procedure/diagnostic if needed?

I also have this sweaty palm / foot problem and planned to utilize my insurance if its possible...
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I dont think any insurer will want to grant you cover now that you have TB arthritis.
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QUOTE(kazekage_09 @ Dec 14 2016, 02:03 PM)
Can a person with hep b carrier apply a medical card and life insurance?
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It will be highly be dependent on the Liver Function Test, the Hepatitis serology result & the extend of the treatment and complications (if any).

Do expect the insurer to load extra premium to Exclusion (of the liver issues) and in some instances decline the case entirely.
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QUOTE(spreeeee @ Dec 15 2016, 05:40 PM)
anyone could review what was really happen to his case?

"Jamal Yunus sues insurance company"
http://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2016...urance-company/
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No point to comment also, let the court decide the outcome

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QUOTE(deminem77 @ Jan 9 2017, 12:17 PM)
Great. Does it collide with the existing Insurance that I have? My scenario is as such,

1. Bought an Insurance (Life+Medical) incl TPD but the sum was very low. RM45k (Life)/360k whole life (Medical)
2. Bought in 2011.
3. Admitted once in 2013 in Park CIty MC

Now I want to buy RM200k policy for life only. How?

My diabetic reading is between 7mmol - 12mmol
No Blood Pressure
But got a bit high cholesterol.

Can Pass??
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Huh? AIA able to accept for DEATH cover even if diabetic? SURE?

The only product that we have is PruCancer, but the sum insured is only payable upon diagnosis of cancer. It is to be submitted with special underwriting and full disclosure on the health.

You may google for more info.

Death is not covered. Above 6.5 is not able to provide cover for life insurance.

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QUOTE(deminem77 @ Jan 9 2017, 01:36 PM)
My previous company that I worked for covers all pre-existing illness. It was AXA group insurance. Wonder if anyone here selling that AXA or any other similar insurance that covers pre-existing illness??
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Stating that AXA covers all pre existing illness is kind of misleading bro.

The insurance contract is an offer and acceptance process and if you have receive a letter confirming that the insurer has accepted your diabetic condition without prejudice, then you can safely say they will cover it. Otherwise, it is not properly declared.

More importantly, you had not made any claim in respect to diabetic, for example organ failure, amputation of limbs or blindness which relates to being diabetic.

Should a claim were to arise, and the amount is huge, it may trigger the non declaration of material fact which may void the policy.

AXA or any other insurance company is not doing it for charity. I had also gone thru AXA brochure. The first thing on the Exclusion is pre existing illness.

Dont get me wrong bro, the reason why i say we cannot offer you life insurance is because i dont want you to end up paying for something useless and later you cannot claim. notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(deminem77 @ Jan 9 2017, 11:59 AM)
Hi,

I would like to know if there is any insurance plan for pre-existing disease? I am diabetic and I am looking forward to purchase insurance coverage for rm200k for life.

Thank You.
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QUOTE(deminem77 @ Jan 9 2017, 02:43 PM)
Hi Sir,

Since your company did not providing the service, do not assume that you know everything about insurance from top to toe. There are insurance that do cover pre-existing illness. It's ok if you don't know about it. We are all learners and we are in process of getting to know things gradually not up straight. I have attached the part where AXA includes the plan for your knowledge.
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You were asking about LIFE INSURANCE RM200k, and what you had posted is the AXA Group Hospital T&C (under General Insurance). Both are different altogether.

Even Lifebalance as above post had mention it is only for Group Hospitalization, not life insurance.

As mentioned as far as I know, there are no life insurer in MY that is able to offer Life Insurance for diabetic.
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QUOTE(smartinvestor01 @ Jan 9 2017, 10:23 PM)
I came across this medical card called the Medisavers from Pathlab..

Underwritten by Lonpac Insurance..

Here is my concern:-

As a general insurance policy, in normal case, the insurance policy are subjected to yearly renewal which are not guaranteed.. But in this plan, the insurance company offered "Guaranteed Renewal" in the policy and also mention a clause on "No alteration" clause..

I would like to seek for unbiased advise on this matter..

I personally see the Guaranteed Renewal as a risk although was confirmed in the policy as what sort of treatment or remedy will the clients have if the company at the end of the refused to renew the policy.

All comments and sharing are welcomed..
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Do you have the actual policy wording or disclosure sheet or the brochure?

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