Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

Bump Topic Topic Closed RSS Feed

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

 Insurance Talk V3, Anything and everything about insurance

views
     
Ryannate
post Jul 19 2016, 11:41 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
157 posts

Joined: Apr 2016


QUOTE(mktan78 @ Jul 18 2016, 01:35 PM)
@ryannate, so based on this feedback, my earlier inquiry referred, my assumption is correct. Then I find this per disability  at disadvantage as it forms both annual and lifetime limit for a particular "sickness". Conventional insurance company eg. those with 1mil annual limit will reset comes next year with unlimited lifetime limit while don't restrict limit per sickness basis.
*
I came across a link from one of our financial advisor review based on MXM old plan.
http://www.howtofinancemoney.com/2016/03/b...d-malaysia.html

Expenses per most affected sickness vs total of coverage.
Comparison with cars and property.

If owning a car worth 100k, nobody is rational enough to buy coverage more than its value. Same goes with a property.
Conclusion is getting a coverage for is in par with the value because the high annual premium.

This post has been edited by Ryannate: Jul 19 2016, 11:41 AM
Ryannate
post Jul 20 2016, 06:58 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
157 posts

Joined: Apr 2016


QUOTE(ZapZapk @ Jul 20 2016, 02:27 PM)
Thanks. Are you an insurance agent?
*
I am not an agent. i have businesses with insurance companies and financial institutes. Anything I can assist you?
Ryannate
post Jul 22 2016, 02:34 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
157 posts

Joined: Apr 2016


Normally insurance companies will give a special package at a very good price to any coporate companies that have volume of clients or members. Any clients purchasing through them at a very good pricing and package. For example..unit trust do offer insurance package at a very cheap or good price if you have invested certain of amount in the institute.

All coporate do have target sales monthly same goes with individual agents. The point is who can sustain longer in period.
Ryannate
post Jul 22 2016, 02:39 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
157 posts

Joined: Apr 2016


QUOTE(you90 @ Jul 22 2016, 02:29 PM)
I have a friend who is also a freelance CFP, he advises and serves his clients with no bias to any products.

He speaks and listens to his clients' financial needs and help them to map out the financial goals which includes planning for their insurance and investment.

When I am given a chance, I would also need a CFP to help me to provide me the best solutions that would suit my financial goals. My Insurance agent just know how to promote their products (ask me to buy another insurance plan as they realize top up of my current insurance plan will not help in getting them commission etc)  and did not at all provide/guide/map me a long term financial plan and goals.
*
those are majority around us, what they do is care more on their income than your protection because up line train them on kpi only.
Ryannate
post Jul 22 2016, 03:31 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
157 posts

Joined: Apr 2016


QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jul 22 2016, 03:02 PM)
CFP have their role to play, no doubt they achieve a certain standard in the industry to become CFP's.

This shouldn't discount on how insurance agents would provide any lesser benefit as compared to CFP's, they are just more specialized in that area as compared to CFP's who are jack of all trades and each CFP's are specialized in certain area, not all areas.

In terms of business, each individual or CFP are different,  if you buy their business ethic or the way they conduct, then they are your ideal person to deal business with, but if not, move to another agent.
As usual, generalize statement, where's your evidence ?

Aren't you also trying to stir doubt in people's mind and promote on your insurance services ? pot calling the kettle black.
*
Better than those simply replied without knowing what is going on outside them. All come to the end how genuine are you in the servicing field.

Simply accused people for provided nonsense replies. Time will tell.

As you claimed generalise statement, then I will throw you another one which is agents just a vehicle push or used by insurance companies, and then dint realise they are slowing being sequenced and killed by insurance companies because more and more coporate and technology will be replacing all agents and left only one business for agents to do is providing life insurance with investment...I wonder when banks take over that area, where else they can stand. That's why insurance agents being indirectly forced to be financial advisers. But still a vehicle, either sports car or vintage one.
Your glorious moment will soon become a doom day. Run as fast as you can if I were you.

This post has been edited by Ryannate: Jul 22 2016, 03:32 PM
Ryannate
post Jul 23 2016, 01:00 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
157 posts

Joined: Apr 2016


QUOTE(1tanmee @ Jul 23 2016, 01:01 AM)
like i mentioned, the quote i took from you only applies to ILP, but not standalone. correct?
because ILP/standalone, the charges will increase with age.

diff is that standalone, money paid is considered sunk cost. ilp does hv cash value.
*
Do consider some point belows:
1. Standalone price increase based on age group, eg.like 21-35, 36 - 45.
ILP increase every single age, eg.like 21, 22, 23.
Based on that, I found not much differences if taking the average.
2. Standalone sunk cost, but if you think of other viewpoint it might not. Such as, if you get a 500k annual limits medical card, and cost you rm2400 per year. And you paid 10 years without single claim. That's mean you paid about rm30k(included premium higher as age growth). During the 11th year, one sickness come and cost 150k. Then question comes, can you save that long to cover the medical cost? Or will it worth paying 30k to get you cover that 150k medical expenses?
2400 x 10 = 24,000 + 6000 (increased premium by age group)

ILP does have cash value, the cash value do assist you to cover certain years of your coverage and not whole life. After that you will be back to the square.

Either standalone or ILP, the end result you still have to pay the premium. I mean 65 or 70 years old later. Take into consideration, Malaysia average age is 86 years old for ladies, and 81 years old for male. So from 71 - 86 years old premium is not cheap. My friend paying a 450k annual limit for her parents are rm400 per month each for standalone, you may ask ILP cost how much with agents.

In other meaning, standalone and ILP will have the same result at age after retirement, the difference is how you handling your financial according to your source of income and pattern of life. You may ask around those uncle and Aunty at those age, are they still paying for their coverage and why, and what's the coverage life..that will assist you for your decision making.

3. Minimum coverage is good if we can predict when we are sick, because once medical card claimed, it is not allow to upgrade or exclusion of that claimed of that particular sickness.

If you can generate more income and good in investment, then I would say to be smart to transfer your risk based the no.1 answer.

Everything at the end is money sign. It's just a matter how you manage your finance.

This post has been edited by Ryannate: Jul 23 2016, 01:07 PM
Ryannate
post Aug 1 2016, 10:22 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
157 posts

Joined: Apr 2016


QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jul 31 2016, 12:50 PM)
Dear forumers

please be aware of companies such as Standard FA and MXM international which is behind Get Cover as they are nothing more than MLM for now.
wrong again. Getcover is working with fintech, BNM, StandardFA n MXM. Nothing wrong with MLM if can get a good price, good service nationwide and technology moving ahead. The world is moving ahead, if you don't follow then you be a dusty junk.
PIAM has issued a statement regarding of such companies operating such schemes
INSURANCE SCHEMES USING ONLINE AND MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING MODELS
by the way, I am astounded again with your statement which are blindly quoted without understanding the whole structure. StandardFA is a financial advisor holders issued by bnm, also sc and fimm license holder. There are some pioneer n big insurance participate in the app. Do you think if no licenses from this companies and complying with financial and insurance law, they will join the leading app?
1. The Association has received information on a recent insurance scheme and recruitment exercise using the online and multi-level marketing (MLM) models in the sale of insurance products of insurers, including the payment of commission and over-rider under the scheme. too bad is this is not under Piam control but BNM because is a financial thing. Don't be jealous or simply shooting the bush.

2. Based on the available documents on this scheme and marketing models used for the sale of insurance products of insurers, we wish to highlight the following for members’ attention :-

i) recruitment of persons who are not PIAM registered agents to promote and/or sell the insurance products of insurers is not allowed under Clause 4.1 of the ICAGIB.

Clause 4.1 provides that the parties to the ICAGIB agree and undertake that in dealings involving intermediaries, they shall not in any way authorize,deal or transact any general insurance business of whatsoever nature with any person or persons who is not an Agent or Broker.
ii) the payment of commission and/or over-rider whether directly or indirectly in excess of the maximum commission allowable is not permitted under JPI/GPI2 on “Guidelines to Control Operating Costs of General Insurance Business” issued by BNM.

iii) members are reminded that the sale of insurance products through the MLM-based distribution systems is prohibited, see the attached Members’ Circular No. 84 dated 20 Apr 2001.

3. We wish to inform members that BNM has been alerted on this insurance scheme and the marketing model used.

4. Members are urged not to condone such schemes that do not comply with the rules/ circular as highlighted in items 2 (i) to (iii) above. Should any member be aware or have come across any of such schemes, please do report to your Association for our necessary actions.
the whole structure never violate any of the clause u mentioned above, thank you for the assistance in promoting. All car owner can register and the app will send to you for your convenience to renew your car insurance. Of course many benefits including assist car owner to enjoy free car insurance. Oya is booming now and the response out of our prediction.
Please be careful when you get promotion from such companies. same old tricks by insurance agent, still using fear factor ..oboi shakehead.gif

Take care. Any doubt you may liaise with PIAM again, it is not under Piam but served as bank or financial institution am under BNM.
*
Do your own survey and studies more and not blindly comment (many times I noticed). I wish you don't misleading without understand what are they Are doing. whatever BNM approved and issued, who is capable of to comment? What financial can do and the whole structure of the financial plan and their tools and vehicles? If not complied , would you think BNM will approved it? doh.gif

Ryannate
post Aug 1 2016, 04:46 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
157 posts

Joined: Apr 2016


[quote=lifebalance,Aug 1 2016, 03:52 PM]
smile.gif You sure ? BNM never even heard of you guys when I called this morning. Why not get a black and white or an official letter from BNM to proof the company is legit?
never heard of you guys, refering to?
MXM International is not even a member of PIAM and non-registered member with BNM. I rest my case here until further proof is shown here by Ryannate, I've escalated this matter to PIAM CEO for review. Will keep in touch with KPDNKK on MXM and BNM on this modus operandi.
mxm dont need to under piam as it is co partner with standardFA.
Kindly also explain

14) MXM(previously MGM) – This is a master scam among the younger group, very successful 2 or 3 years ago but since there moved to their big 10-storey office at Phileo Damansara and changed name to MXM, their business dropped. They collect members RM3,000 to RM4,000 with credit card monthly easy payment and in return you get a hospital benefits insurance from Pacific Insurance worth only a few hundred RMs together with some you-don’t-need medical check-ups from their associate Company Pathlab. Also talk about fitness, lifestyles * that is all worthless.
recently someone posted in fb, and have been taken legal action towards advertiser n have been removed. You may try post n spread it, definitely legal action will raise on you.

http://www.investlah.com/forum/index.php?topic=35078.0

& this

http://aididmuaddib.blogspot.my/2011/03/mx...im-piramid.html
Please also clarify on this

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/724871 case happened in Lowyat back in 2008

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1146592/all in 2010

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

if its scam, wont able to survive today(1st point), if really scam you better go make police report rather than posting past n old fault claim and threads.
Apparently the matter is with PIAM now. Will follow up with them
*

[/quote]

Piam is irrelevant board..Do after bnm please. Please update whatever you got here.
Ryannate
post Aug 1 2016, 05:07 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
157 posts

Joined: Apr 2016


QUOTE(lifebalance @ Aug 1 2016, 04:55 PM)
Lol legal action for discussing about a company ? Then you might as well ask ur MXM company to go after all these post since 2008. Good luck smile.gif

If you can't convince the public's doubt then you threaten to shut all discussion, who you think you are? The public deserve to know the truth. That's not the way to do business.

I can safely assume you're a MXM member soliciting business in here as well since you can fully defend them without a benefit of doubt.
*
Lol..wasting my time to report you as it is blossom now. I dont hv to convince others, the wise will know what is legit n wats not then raising fear in the public.

what the real way of doing business? is it to criticise others n claim yours the best?

You can go through all my replies, I only sharing what is the real picture from the first day in here better than someone post based on false claims without actually study it...
Ryannate
post Dec 1 2016, 08:45 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
157 posts

Joined: Apr 2016


QUOTE(popice2u @ Nov 30 2016, 07:28 PM)
Asics value for money
*
rclxms.gif but all brands (shoes) created by me, the designer cum manufacturer . H rclxm9.gif lol

3 Pages < 1 2 3Top
Topic ClosedOptions
 

Change to:
| Lo-Fi Version
0.0841sec    0.41    7 queries    GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 9th December 2025 - 06:36 PM