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post Mar 15 2016, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(InabaKai @ Mar 15 2016, 02:32 PM)
Even though im not pay anymore?
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If you don't plan to continue to pay for ur premium on a regular basis anymore, your policy is deemed to be on "premium holiday" where the insurance company will be using your cash value accumulated in your insurance account to pay off the premium.

Please correct me as I am not sure your question is pointing to which.
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post Mar 15 2016, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(InabaKai @ Mar 15 2016, 02:38 PM)
This account have been more than 20 years old,i would say its finish contract or some thing...
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Sounds like an endowment plan that your mom bought for you and it had been finish paying the yearly premium and now it needs time to mature.

It would be quite a waste to close the account. You should just take out the bonus and leave the account open
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post Mar 15 2016, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(InabaKai @ Mar 15 2016, 04:25 PM)
Ok,Im understand.
1 last question,where did the bonus take out from?
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I think to further understand what you have, it'll be best to do the policy review and then from there make a decision
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post Mar 15 2016, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(InabaKai @ Mar 15 2016, 08:42 PM)
Hi,so i actually have withdraw,rm4,000,and left around 3,000 right?how much will i get till i 55?now im 23.
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You will need the insurance company to recalculate that for you. Just call them up on the hotline
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post Mar 16 2016, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(garrick86 @ Mar 16 2016, 09:53 AM)
Hi bro,

How about if I increase just room and board, from 150 to 200, will that subjected to waiting period?
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The waiting period will be on the upgraded limit, room & board. Meaning you still have to wait 4 months for the upgrade. In between any claim is required, it will still fall on the old medical card limit.
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post Mar 16 2016, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(garrick86 @ Mar 16 2016, 10:49 AM)
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Hi guys, im aged 30 with non-smoker

Currently has bought almost a year of the GE RM150 R&B medical card, 120k death, 100 CI.

Now I am in dilemma of upgrading the existing RM150 to RM200 or get the AIA one with more tempting benefits but lesser cash value.

Need a third pair of eyes on advice on this issue.

Should I continue another with existing GE, and buy the AIA for 1 year while waiting for the 1 year no-claim period?
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Cash value is just a projection, some companies will give a higher projection based on their past historical data of funds return but this doesn't reflect the future performance down the road.

That's the risk of ILP policy, if you're buying a policy, get the 1 that maximizes all the protection, cash value is really secondary as you won't know exactly what will happen 30 laters. You might already get certain increment and improvement in your lifestyle to upgrade later on again.

Most important is that the agent that services is good and prompt.
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post Mar 16 2016, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(garrick86 @ Mar 16 2016, 10:56 AM)
Both are equally good agents with good plans. Too bad Im struggling with budget to get one of them only, else i would get both.

Anyone else can verified that these 2 are the best that i could get within these tiny budget?
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hmm.gif if they're equally good, why would you want to jump to AIA in the first place ?

Just because of the benefit ?

Perhaps you can upgrade from your existing GE policy than doing an entire transfer confused.gif

Product benefit changes every time, it's your personal preference.
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post Mar 16 2016, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(garrick86 @ Mar 16 2016, 11:05 AM)
Considered about it too, GE if upgrade the R&B increase it is 10% for every 3 years no claim, max 100% and almost same price.

Calculated and it is almost like 30 years to reach 100% while AIA is like 10 years no claim to 100%  rclxub.gif
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biggrin.gif like I said, it's a personal preference, I would sound biased to tell you AIA is better since I represent them. whistling.gif
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post Mar 17 2016, 02:08 AM

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QUOTE(Unwell @ Mar 17 2016, 12:22 AM)
medical card w/o investment linked. is it still available in the market?

it seems to me no agents wanted to sell them.
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Still available in the market. What makes you think so ?
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post Mar 17 2016, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(avms01 @ Mar 17 2016, 10:44 AM)
Hello All
I'm new here.
Looking for medical card and did some checking around.

Need advice/sharing on below
1. GE medical card - Is this cashless card or your it's pay first and reimburse?
2. On traditional medical card versus Investment Link, in long run which is better from optimizing our money. Meaning, if I buy traditional medical card and the difference I invest?

Thank you for your sharing.
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Hi there,

1. Medical card as long as it's non-deductible or "co-insurance", you don't have to pay first and reimburse. That situation will only happen if you so happen to admit into a non-panel hospital or somewhere overseas. Then it will be on pay first and reimburse.

2. A standalone medical card vs a investment link medical card is like this
- Standalone is just the medical card without any rider, the overall cost is cheaper when you're younger, but as you grow older, you will pay a higher cost of premium. Furthermore, you won't have any riders like waiver of premium in the event you're fall ill and can't afford to pay for the premium anymore.

- Investment medical card comes with an investment return whereby you pay a premium every cycle, and this premium will be invested to get a higher return which will be used to pay for the increasing cost of premium every year. The long term plan is cheaper than the standalone medical card as the investment factor kicks in the reduce your total cost of ownership. You also benefit from add-on riders like waiver of premiums to waive off the premium you need to pay in the event you succumb to total permanent disability or any critical illness.

AIA also offers medical card of such with annual limit above RM1 mil and no life time limit with no co-insurance.

Feel free to inquire smile.gif
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post Mar 17 2016, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(avms01 @ Mar 17 2016, 11:04 AM)
Thank you for sharing and agree on the Premium waiver rider for Investment Link.
However, in Investment Link, the investment returns are NOT guaranteed.
I have heard cases from friends that after 5 years or so, they are required to TOP UP in order to support thier policy.
Note ... thier are just Medical card investment link without any others riders.

This is my concern here. So thinking of traditional plan and the difference I invest in investment vehicle that can generate at least 5 % to 6 % (ASNB).
Any comments?
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Hi,

I will need to see your friend's case on their policy which you mentioned 5 years later they are required to top up. Either they have been invested into really high risk funds, they have drawn out some of the premium earlier or the premium quoted was insufficient to even generate any return of investment. However this is just my assumption until I can look into their policies.

As far as I know of, there never been an incident where an insurance company make 5 consecutive years of losses in their investment policies to completely wipe out your cash value. However I am not saying this is impossible. The likeliness is rare. You have to look into the insurance company as a whole, would they want to take such a high risk investment on your premium and make losses ? They are still a profit-looking company. The insurance company will always try to make positive outcome rather than the negative.

However, if you're not looking into any investment link policies, you can always opt for the standalone medical card where you bear the cost entirely without the investment return portion which comes as a bonus.

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This is my concern here. So thinking of traditional plan and the difference I invest in investment vehicle that can generate at least 5 % to 6 % (ASNB).
You will want to have a policy that you don't have to worry when you're much older whereby you're probably retired or bed-ridden. And it will still cover you without having to worry about paying the premium should you have waiver of premium and so happen to have succumbed TPD or 36CI. And with cash value that you gain while you have gotten this policy at your younger age, you can rest assure that it will last until a desire age.

Again, investment comes with risk, you have the option to choose lower risk funds such as balance funds


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post Mar 17 2016, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(ohcipala @ Mar 17 2016, 11:23 AM)
You can try to have a look at AXA smart optimum care. If you choose the deductible option, you get some discount. You have the option of changing it back to a non  deductible one before age 59 for free too. That way, if you combine your company medical insurance with this, you don't have to pay so much. And if you buy this medical card directly without an agent, you get a bit of discount too.
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Just be caution that when you're opting for any feature in your insurance policy, once you've succumb to any disease and you wish to upgrade your medical card later on. You will not be able to do so as you will have to declare your health when you wish to upgrade your insurance policy.

So always opt to get the best medical card benefit rather than a sub-par. Of course, this will depend on your current budget as well. If budget permits, get a good one.

Otherwise, here's your scenario,
1. You're covered under company insurance and get a deductible personal medical card with such and such benefit.
a. You're diagnosed with critical illness of any sort
- Upon resignation from company due to company retrench, close down or firing you due to incapable to perform normal task anymore
= no more company medical card and depend on deductible personal medical card.
= after that you try to upgrade your medical card
= can't do so because you've existing illness, upgrade rejected = stick to old medical card which is probably having low annual limit and worse still with deductible, you'll have to fork out extra money for every time you're admitting to the hospital.

You get what you pay for.
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post Mar 17 2016, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(ohcipala @ Mar 17 2016, 11:35 AM)
OK. Here's an excerpt from the policy wording.

Policy wording can be downloaded here
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Based on the wording, it's good that the benefit to change it to non-deductible is allowable. However, the risk of staying with a lower annual limit is there because normally if you try to leverage on a company medical card, you would be opting for the cheapest plan to leverage on the cheaper premium.
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post Mar 17 2016, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(ohcipala @ Mar 17 2016, 12:02 PM)
If company's medical card covers rm20k, one can opt for rm20k deductible and get 50% discount. Whether one opt for cheapest plan or not, it depends on his/her budget/preference. That 50% discount might help one to get the most expensive plan too, no? icon_idea.gif
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biggrin.gif sorry can't give you an answer on how the premium is calculated or charged by that insurance company and whether the client can or cannot afford.
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post Mar 17 2016, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(ohcipala @ Mar 17 2016, 12:09 PM)
You can get a lot of info here . Price list included. Maybe next time you can recommend this product in the future too?  biggrin.gif

I don't know whether it's affordable for him or not too but I was just giving him a suggestion on standalone medical card.
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Not really. There are sub clauses which I didn't highlight that is risky such as the policy is not allowed to convert upon certain age and the first 2 years is not eligible to convert.

The policy holder bear the risk that the next 2 years he must be healthy and the policy holder need to make sure to convert the policy by 59 yr old.

I wouldn't probably remember such clause when I've gotten this policy 10 years later
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post Mar 17 2016, 09:17 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Mar 17 2016, 06:44 PM)
At any 1 time an insurance company won't cheat, but almost all insurance agents will cheat.
http://news.sinchew.com.my/node/470379?tid=1
Another typical case of the buyer get cheated by the agent, or maybe using a softer statement, that insurance agent forgot to mention same sickness cannot claim twice with intention to secure a business rclxs0.gif
Like cancer, most of the time it can strike twice with second attack will be at higher stage or worst case strike at final stage.
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"Another typical case of the buyer get cheated by the agent, or maybe using a softer statement, that insurance agent forgot to mention same sickness cannot claim twice with intention to secure a business rclxs0.gif "

Kindly support this statement with evidence such as recorded audio or any other type of evidence of that agent doing so, otherwise, again you're making a baseless allegation with no support to whatever you said.
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QUOTE(ngparksern @ Mar 20 2016, 06:10 PM)
Hi, i have a question on the investment link Insurance from AIA.

Previously in 2012, my father has bough me an investment link insurance and have been paying until today.

But last year the agent approach me again to propose to me another policy also investment link for better coverage and so on. after i take a look on the policy i agree to sign up for it.

So now i have 2 investment link policy in  AIA. but question is that i want only one investment link with 2 coverage combine so i no need to pay so much premium as i dont think so the investment link is so important that i need two. the Agent said it can be done but it needs one year to combine since the new policy can be void if within a year it is best interest for me  to pay for 2 policy for first year.

Recently i was thinking it is really waste of money to keep on paying 2 policy with 2 investment link and i am angry why the agent did not propose to me an upgrade policy instead asking me buy a new policy and later told me that it can combined but require one year time for the best interest of me.

i felt a bit cheated and really unhappy about it. anyone can explain to me is this the way the insurance go? because until certain point of time i am thinking of cancel the 2 policies with this agent and bought a new policy entirely new. and take out the money in investment link that my father sign up in 2012. is that doable? need some serious advice coz i am been  paying 2 policies currently and for god know why i should wait for one year.
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Hi ngparksern,

I can't judge the other agent but based on what he had done there can be 2 possible assumption but I am just saying.
1. He was selling an extra policy to hit some target
2. It could be another different investment linked plan

The reason your agent told you to only combine it a year later is so that it doesn't effect his production if you were to cancel the policy, there is no way to combine a policy, only way is to cancel it and then move the premium to the first original policy, which is a little selfish toward the agent actually.

Cancelling your policy that you bought since 2012 entirely will not benefit you as the policy had paid for 3 years already. Restarting the policy will cause you to reinvest from 0 again and wait for any waiting period and declare your health again.

I am more than willing to help if you need any assistance. Feel free to contact me anytime
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QUOTE(Ice BabY @ Mar 20 2016, 10:00 PM)
Hello, is there any savings plan come together with life protection or medical? Lol.. Just asking..
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all saving plans come with life protection, medical card need to get ILP or standalone
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QUOTE(watabakiu @ Mar 22 2016, 03:53 PM)
Conventional vs takaful ?

What are the differences? That, and which would be better?
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Takaful is a co-operative system of reimbursement or repayment in case of loss, paid to people and companies concerned about hazards, compensated out of a fund to which they agree to donate small regular contributions managed on behalf by a takaful operator.

Simply to put, takaful follows the islamic practice set by the shariah law.

The difference in product is not much, the difference will be how the funds are managed, where Takaful will have an additional contribution from Tabarru (Donation) funds. As well as Hiba (Gift) where you will override the Faraid law of distribution in the islamic guideline.

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QUOTE(baymax7 @ Mar 22 2016, 08:29 PM)
Dear Insurance guru,

Below is part of extract of projected investment return:

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Illustration of Expected Benefits under net projected investment return of Y%(8.50%) and X%(2.50) assumption

Insurance charges (at age 70)
Basic plan RM1290.96  Rider RM5867.75 (Total = RM7158.71)

Net cash value (at age 70)
Y% RM36,706     X% RM2,334

Yearly premium: RM3120
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Taking the more optimistic return (Y%), it seems like the cash value can only afford to pay for my insurance charges for the next 5 years (36706/7158 ) by the time I reach 70 years old.

My question is:

What will happen when my cash value is no longer enough to pay for my insurance charges at old age? Will my yearly premium double up to RM6000? This is because, I believe my yearly premium of RM3120 will not be enough to cover for the high insurance charges at old age.

Hope to hear your advice on this.

Thanks.
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Basically it will last another 8 to 10 years as you're still contributing 3120 per year.

Once your policy has no more cash value. Then you'll have to top up nett Rm7.2k plus to pay off the cost of insurance. Your yearly 3120 premium will not increase. Just that you have to top up whatever extra difference to be paid for the increasing cost of insurance.



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