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post Jan 10 2016, 10:23 AM

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People still failed to see it is our players who are not good enough. Do you think they don't want to pass it in to create chances if they able to find spaces? Problem is they couldn't, they just lack of the technical abilities to dribble pass players nor have good vision to play the killer pass.
We just lack of quality players who can do that, and not to mention a good striker who can score easily.
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post Jan 10 2016, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(and85rew @ Jan 10 2016, 10:37 AM)
which one u like in current team?
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LOL... later xnet said he cannot find any.. tongue.gif
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post Jan 14 2016, 12:31 AM

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LOL..... I remember Blind played well as DM in the first few games, then later on he was exploited by lot of teams because he was slow and not tough enough, people at that time was calling him to be removed from DM and play defender... Now we want him back playing as DM ke? LOL
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post Jan 14 2016, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(gr8fr8 @ Jan 14 2016, 03:25 PM)
LvG havent tried Blind Schneiderlin Schweinsteiger combo yet right? Probably could work but not feasible now as other CB's unreliable always injured.
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If you wana try this, later got fans say we play too defensively! Remember there are fans condemning LVG for playing a two man DM (double Sch or Sch+Carrick), now you think if we add another Blind will help satisfy the fans? tongue.gif
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post Jan 14 2016, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(O-haiyo @ Jan 14 2016, 09:15 PM)
Blind was good at LB and then the genius moved him to CB lol
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Who else can play CB except him? Jones? Mcnair?
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post Jan 14 2016, 11:52 PM

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QUOTE(Xnet @ Jan 14 2016, 11:36 PM)
Who told him to spend 250 mill on crap
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Nobody who is good want to come what to do?
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post Jan 16 2016, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(gr8fr8 @ Jan 15 2016, 08:22 AM)
Maybe. Maybe not. Schweinsteiger for all his midfield control skills always seem to slow down the game. Probably used to it at BM who knows but rarely plays that forward passes. Blind on the other hand already proves he can do it in EPL. He can compensate that for Schneiderlins lack of passing range but more mobile self. Herrera can continue his form from vs NUFC by playing more on top without his best buddies Mata. brows.gif
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How can you say Schweinsteiger slow down the game and didn't play forward passes? He is the most creative midfield we have other than Herrera. The one who slow down our game is Carrick.
If you look at how Schweinsteiger plays, he always looking and waiting for teammates to run into spaces, but that didn't happen, thus sometimes you see he holding the ball longer.. so he can attract people to mark him and give others space.
While Carrick or even Blind will just sit back deep, and look for longer pass. Blind is just too slow and not tough enough to always play DM in EPL.

Look carefully how schwen plays then u know what I mean, and by the way of all our midfields (CM/DM), he is the one who always play further front, not sure how you see he dont play forward pass.

Also, Fellaini is not even suitable to play as DM to begin with.
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post Feb 7 2016, 11:22 PM

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Fellaini - Carrick combo again?
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post Feb 13 2016, 11:26 PM

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I would blame the players + manager. Not sure why all scolding LVG only lol
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post Feb 13 2016, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(yvliew @ Feb 13 2016, 10:46 PM)
How do we lose to a relagation team??? Come out and defend your LVG la .. Where are the LVG army? Fans?
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The manager doesnt play on the pitch. LVG is poor, so do the players. I guess you are the same person who blame moyes and praise when we sign LVG. So now what? What if we change manager, and we still sux? tongue.gif
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post Feb 13 2016, 11:30 PM

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QUOTE(G_KeN @ Feb 13 2016, 11:27 PM)
because his tactics is outdated. passing sideways as if we're letting the opponents to get ready to park their buses. almost zero penetration.
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We have been playing side way pass since end of SAF era + Moyes era. If you remember. Anyway, our players just not good enough. same goes to the manager.
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post Feb 14 2016, 12:00 AM

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QUOTE(yvliew @ Feb 13 2016, 11:35 PM)
I never praise LVG, when I know we are getting him, I'm just hoping to see improvement on our team. Was excited with the signings on the first season. Bringing Di Maria, Falcao.. But which fails to provide anything. Blame philosophy? Yes I did #moyesout and since nov or so #lvgout too.. Really hope we still can make it into CL next season.
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Di Maria wasn't even want to play for us at the 1st place. Falcao was a risk that we took. I also hope we can still get top four, but we have too many players need replacing. Carrick + Sch was poor just now. The best back four player just now was the young kid, it just show how lousy our players are. Striker cannot even change the game while getting 300k per week. If not the hensam DDG save us a couple of time, we could be even worse this season.

LVG looks like an old man who just sit on his chair and too over confident with his ego. The recent match you can see he is more nervous already... Maybe the rumour is true lol
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post Feb 14 2016, 12:08 AM

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QUOTE(G_KeN @ Feb 13 2016, 11:44 PM)
let me rephrase my sentence again:
LVG philosophy:
- sideway passing to the point that the opponents r able to man mark every of our offensive players. after that, make a cross hoping that short players like rooney n mata can head the balls in against 7 foot defenders
- restricting the offensive players' freedom to dribble on the flank or through balls from the middle, with the exception of martial n martial ONLY
- backward passing to goalkeeper whenever we r pressed
- playing players out of their positions - eg mata as winger

- only works marvelously 3-5 times per season against underperforming teams
- snore fest
- 1-0, 0-0, 0-1 r our most common results.
- sturggles against the likes of inferior teams whenever they applied even the slightest of offensive pressure on our side due to our EXTREMELY slow build up n passing game

do note that Moyes was NOT fergie's NO.1 choice to replace him. even Klopp himself revealed that fergie personally asked for him but later declined. same goes to Mourinho because he already accepted offer from chelsea before fergie approached him.
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Brother..... name me one united player who have the technique to dribble past defender except Martial? We should admit that our players just not good enough.... We have no good winger... The one we have are even worse than Nani who many fans have been asking the club to release him.

So Moyes is not 1st choice... means a lot of good managers think that there are better choices out there other than united. The problem 1st started when SAF still stick with many old guards when other teams already started hiring better players... then come Moyes who went and give Rooney a better contract no other manager would give. Same goes to LVG, his ego kill many players.
Why Pep chose City rather than us? Cause it is easier with the players that they already have. Us? Basically need to rebuild everything other than the keeper.
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post Feb 14 2016, 12:48 AM

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QUOTE(even_steven @ Feb 14 2016, 12:19 AM)
The old guard and players that you mentioned was a league champion before Moyes take over bro. He inherited a league champion team and turn them into Everton. So the problem is not with the players. It is with the manager.
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Who are the players back then when we are the champion? You expect 5 years ago champion can be champion again after another 5 years if we still stick with the so called champion players?
Where are Scholes/Giggs/Rio now? How old are they? RVP was at his last few years of peak back then. rclxub.gif
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post Feb 14 2016, 12:57 AM

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QUOTE(G_KeN @ Feb 14 2016, 12:38 AM)
oh come on, it was LVG himself who sold Nani, AdM n others, leaving us with only Martial n depay. who signed Depay? yes, LVG did. he was supposed to join PSG until LVG interfered n changed depay's mind.
look, Depay has the potential to become a great winger, same goes to Januzaj few seasons back when our league winning squad actually depended on him under Moysie. but u're not going to improve if u're not given ample of playtime. Ronaldo was shite in his debut season, but fergie was smart enough to stick with him n he went on to become one of the best player in the world.

SAF left the club with a trophy. it was moysie's responsibility (or woodward, whichever u look at it) to make improvements. n we ended up only with Fellaini in the summer n Mata in the winter.

LVG came in with a huge transfer kitty purse. bought a number of players, sold a number of players. ended up being only slightly better that Moysie, but with atrociously boring gameplay. dont tell me it was the players fault that we play so freaking slow n boring n sideway passing.

n judging by his post sunderland match interview, he already admitted defeat for 4th place this early on in february, stating that only by winning Europa League can Man Utd retain the UCL spot, n even he claimed that it would be a very difficult feat.

yeap, thanks lvg.
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Let me remind you. SAF was shit in his first few seasons too. And by the way dont compare Ronaldo with Januzaj/Depay. Ronaldo is way better than them in his 1st season. Januzaj was lucky because under Moyes, other players basically sux big time that make him look like he is god. Depay basically thinks he is too good and have some attitude issue. Ronaldo has talent but he trains hard, unlike Depay.

Yes, it was the players fault for playing too slow and sideway because they have no technique to break up opponents' defense. And yes it was also the manager fault for changing people position too frequently and buy the wrong players, as well as do not give some players enough chance E.g. Chicharito/Kagawa.

I am not entirely disagree with you, just trying to tell you that some of our players should have taken the blame too, please remember they are paid with handsome salary.
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post Feb 14 2016, 01:27 AM

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QUOTE(damnself @ Feb 14 2016, 01:05 AM)
I seriously can't brain people who still rooting for LvG. He wasted 250M man. That's insane amount of money. Ranieri only used a quarter of that but still top of the league. Dear God blink.gif
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If Leicester win the league, Mancity/Arsenal/Manchester united/ Liverpool/ Chelsea will be the laughing stocks as they all spent quite some money too.
I like Ranieri, but please give some credits to the Leicester players (e.g Vardy/Kante/Mahrez), they play theirs socks off, without them Leicester will not be at the position they are now.
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post Feb 14 2016, 01:59 AM

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QUOTE(damnself @ Feb 14 2016, 01:45 AM)
We all give them credit bro. But you are missing the point. We bought grade A players but LvG turn them into wtf. Ranieri bought unknown player and you can see yourself how they play their game.
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Who is the grade A players we bought? The only one I can think of is Di Maria who has no heart to play for us...
I understand what you said, but you also missing my point. I am trying to say Leicester are where they are now because the players have the desire to play for the club and win the league. Winning the league is important for them. Where else, our so called "grade A" players (You mean Depay?) basically just came here and earn money, winning the league is not important for them (except Herrera/Bastian/ maybe De Gea)

Thats why I said, football is a team game, both Manager and the players share the responsibility to win/lose the games.
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post Feb 14 2016, 02:09 AM

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QUOTE(even_steven @ Feb 14 2016, 01:37 AM)
The point is he inherited a league winning team, turned them into Everton. Yet it is still the players fault? Yes most of the old players are gone or past their peak now but they are still playable when he took over. And as a manager he should've foreseen that the old guard need to be replaced. Yet he only manage to bring in Fellaini and Mata. And he didn't even remove anyone. All the trimming only start with LVG. So i ask again, is this still the players fault?
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Brother, how can Giggs/Scholes/Rio still playable? Their performance has been going down since SAF era. Even if Moyes foresee that, who will want to play for an unknown manager (although we have the money), anyway I dont like Moyes.. If you are at Moyes level, you would have done the same, not trimming anyone (just inherited a champion right as u said so we can win the league easily with the champion team) .

At one moment you said he inherited the champion, he could have easily won more games (with the old players)
At another moment you then said he should have removed the old guards(which is the champion team)... lol what do you want? Fans nowadays are hard to please.

Moyes wasn't good enough, everyone knows.. brother.. but you need to understand to clean up the whole team and start from zero is a very difficult task. Even Pep doesnt dare to take it. If you are Pep, you also choose Mancity, take the easiest route.

So in summary, what I'm trying to say is... there are many of our current players need to be replaced, so even if the new manager (Mourinho?) comes, I don't expect miracle to happen overnight even if he is given a huge transfer kit. Team needs to gel and understand/ have the technique to play what the way the manager wants them to play.




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post Feb 14 2016, 02:10 AM

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Haha thanks LVG, maybe he should resign? Keke
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post Feb 14 2016, 02:29 AM

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QUOTE(even_steven @ Feb 14 2016, 02:26 AM)
The old team can still win games. He changed their way of playing and make it worst. I say he should foresee that the old guards need to be replaced. Old guards referring to Giggs, Scholes, Rio, Vida & maybe Evra. I didn't say that he need to remove the old guards immediately. He as a manager need to foresee that they need to replaced soon and under his tenure he should've find the replacement. But instead what he did was introduce too much changes until the team can't even play like they used to. Let alone finding proper replacements for the old guards.

Our team doesn't need rebuilding from zero when Moyes took over. He just need to continue what works, and improve them. But what he did was the opposite.

And still you say that it is the players to be blame?
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Which sentences I said only the players to be blamed?

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