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post Apr 1 2017, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(aspartame @ Mar 31 2017, 10:48 PM)
If not allowed, can always buy separately right for KuL - Nrt?
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You can redeem multi carrier redemption award, allow up to 5 stopovers, but must be redeemed in round trip.
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post May 17 2017, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(imyschong @ May 17 2017, 12:07 PM)
Hi, I would like to ask about Enrich Miles credit card, for those TNB bill, MBPJ,DBKL,MPSJ fees consider as retail transaction? And do I need to register anything first before i get the airmiles ?
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Take note that for HLVI / Mach Signature, all government payments like MBPJ,DBKL,MPSJ are not eligible, so is JOMPAY. TNB is eligible for miles if u pay directly to TNB not via jompay. I wasted a few months payment using jompay without getting miles...
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post May 17 2017, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(imyschong @ May 17 2017, 04:17 PM)
They did not request enrich account number from me when I apply for the card, so is it too late to give them the account number? and how to give them?

If principle card holder can use the air miles to purchase flight ticket for others? or only the card holder?
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If I am not mistaken if u did not supply your enrich number, they will open a new enrich account for you and deposit your miles there. There is no "transfer" or whatsoever required as every RM2.8 you use become 1 enrich mile automatically.
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post May 21 2017, 09:57 PM

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Time to clean out enrich miles...
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post May 23 2017, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(ho-ll @ May 22 2017, 11:31 PM)
If the proposed miles structure is referring to the maximum fare class  (Economy = Y, Biz = J and etc),  maybe it is still acceptable. I can't imagine if it is referring to the discounted class...
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Airline loyalty programs rarely get "enhanced" for the benefit of customers. It seems you now require more miles to redeem the same flight without needing to pay YQ / YR

However, enrich miles redemption on MH flights are already ridiculously poor value to begin with, so I doubt there will be any good "enhancement" coming, not to mention 50-80% increased across the board for partner/oneworld redemption.
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post May 27 2017, 08:58 AM

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QUOTE(faiq90 @ May 26 2017, 05:20 PM)
Hello all sifus, just racked up 1million treatpoints after 11 months of using the M2C Gold Card. So, just need your opinion, which ffp to redeem, either Enrich, Krisflyer or Asia Miles? Thank you.
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1mil tp with m2c gold is about 100k miles on AM KF or EM, which should be enough for travel to australia, japan , korea etc.
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post Jun 1 2017, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(dctravels @ Jun 1 2017, 11:01 AM)
I would have said Enrich but I have no idea the miles required after 10 June devaluation kicks in.

KF saver award availability is challenging, especially for LHR. Ditto for AM unless you redeem close to a year out.

You can play around with dates to get an idea of availability and miles required.
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As a reference from example provided by Enrich, before 10 June is 150k EM + few k tax, after 10june is 200k +/- with no fuel surcharge

Or if you have the miles now, you can redeem now using EM on QR/BA/CX/EK/EY etc at 132k roundtrip.

If you do not have enough miles now You can also deposit your miles to AM later and redeem any one world airlines for about 120k AM roundtrip...
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post Jun 5 2017, 02:11 PM

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can anyone suggest best card in Malaysia to pay insurance for points?
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post Jun 6 2017, 08:33 PM

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QUOTE(Jack128 @ Jun 6 2017, 05:41 PM)
Yes I get that the airmiles conversion is best option but how does the bank know I want to convert to airmiles? Why can't I do it after 1 year? I just don't get why we are forced to convert at the begining of every month. Makes no sense to me lah
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I think what you mean is to accumulate more reward points before converting, is that allowed? I read there r 10m airmiles limit per year to be converted, anyone know how soon they r reached?

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post Jun 7 2017, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(psiloveu @ Jun 7 2017, 08:14 AM)
When u log into your online banking account, there is a special box for VS airmiles redemption.  Example for VS, 3000 reward points for 1000 EM, other card needs 10000++ reward points for 1000 EM etc.
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Oh i see, anyone tried redeeming big amount of airmiles at once like 50k or 100k? did it go through?
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post Jun 7 2017, 09:35 AM

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QUOTE(psiloveu @ Jun 7 2017, 09:25 AM)
I din try to redeem big amount of airmiles as my expenses is not high and I do it regularly (every month). biggrin.gif
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I see... do take note enrich miles/asia miles/kf miles all expire in 3 years from date of deposit
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post Jun 7 2017, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(psiloveu @ Jun 6 2017, 03:34 PM)
for HSBC VS,

10X reward points on overseas hotel room and dining spend (capped RM2000 per month)
8X reward points at MV and The Gardens Mall (capped RM1500)
5X reward points for airlines, local dining and hotels and 30 plus mall (capped RM1500 together with 8X reward)
1x for other retails

the airmiles exchange is 3000 points for 1000 airmiles (enrich, asia miles and ktisflyer).

Let's say u spend

RM2000 for your oversea hotel stay, u will get 2000*10 = 20,000 reward points, u can convert to about 6000++ miles

For insurance, you pay RM3000 premium, u can convert it to 1000 miles.

Alliance only for Enrich miles.
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Hi

Regarding the 10x points, doest online hotel booking such as agoda/booking.com etc counts?

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post Oct 15 2017, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(real55555 @ Oct 13 2017, 04:04 PM)
Spent two days finally finished scrolling from page 1 to page 59. Had a lot of valuable info from the informative input from the members here, you know who you are. You guys are really patient in answering some of the questions that have been asked repeatedly, and the replies given are short but straight to the point, which makes people like me who scrolled from page 1 having an easier time.

Anyway, here comes the question. I'll try to be as specific as possible, so bear with me for the longer post.

How should I accumulate miles (enrich, asia miles or kris flyer) in the fastest way?

I plan to redeem it for biz class seats to Europe (most likely London as it is the main gateway to Europe, but can go to Spain/France as well before going to London. Don't mind Economy seats for flights within Europe, but biz class for long haul) for me and my wife in 4-5 yrs time due to points expiry (i.e. drag till 3 yrs for maybank TP before convert to miles, which can drag for another 3 yrs)

Currently what I do to accumulate miles:

1. I have Maybank 2 cards Platinum, which the good thing is there's no annual fee, bad thing is the treat points conversion to Enrich/Asia Miles is 100% higher than Reserve. So for now whatever spendings that receive Amex, I'll try to charge it to the Amex to take advantage of the 5x points. And currently still not qualified yet to upgrade to Premier/Reserve, but even if I qualify, is it worth it with the hefty annual fee? Is it waivable? It would be hard to spend RM80,000 on it per year to have it waived, as Amex is not that widely accepted.

2. Cards I owned: Ambank Signature Visa (For PPL but seems like not useful anymore due to recent T&C update), Hong Leong Sutera (good for weekend spending for govt bills etc, share more below since I've not seen it being mentioned), Maybank 2 cards Platinum, and a few other basic cards not worth mentioning back in the days I got it when I just started working. Nowadays just leave it there as all of them are free for life. So just taking advantage of the credit limits of those cards.

3. Due to my low frequency of flying, earning miles through flying is not really feasible, plus mostly flying domestic with airasia or MH whichever cheaper and suits my time. So the miles has to come from credit cards and other places.

So what I've learned is that KF doesn't suit me since it is always on wait list and I couldn't really go for a 2-3 weeks holiday without few months of proper planning for my work, and Enrich has been devalued to the extent that it is quite useless, and AM delivers good value just need time on the phone for the booking on multiple carriers flight.

So hope all sifus can give some advice on what I should do to accelerate my miles accrual to redeem two biz class seats to Europe. Thanks in advance.
Note: So regarding the Hong Leong Sutera Platinum Card, their point rewards are not so good except for weekend spending which is x3, which applies to all spending. So normally I will use it to pay those quit rents, assessment, govt bills etc on a Saturday/Sunday since can pay by online and get x3 points. I think there isn't any cards out there that gives more points than this card for govt and utilities bills, insurance etc.
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Just want to chime in on sutera card, i remember all HOng Leong cards can only convert to enrich miles, which has really poor value as of now and i would advise using other cards to accumulate kf or asiamiles.
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post May 16 2019, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(isaacchew @ May 15 2019, 09:03 PM)
Okay, I completed the Comparison table between EM/KF/AM for some popular destinations:
Frequent Flyer Comparison

All amounts are for return flights, based on the cheapest redemption ticket (Basic on EM, Saver on KF, Standard on AM). No doubt these miles required might not be available when you book due to availability / wishlist issues, but it serves as a good benchmark.
(p.s. I don't have sufficient miles in my AM account that's why I'm unable to check the taxes required for J class redemption)

My conclusions are:
1. EM is good for Economy Class if you want direct flights out from KUL, but only to the rather limited routes it flies to. EM is poor value if you're redeeming Business Class
2. KF & AM is good in that you can fly to many other cities, but the downside (or maybe an upside?) is that there's an additional transit.
3. AM has way higher taxes. (Some of you have mentioned that AM requires less miles than KF, but I don't see too much of a difference, unless perhaps it's because I'm comparing the baseline cheapest redemption amounts?).
4. KF there's potential to redeem their impressive Suites Class & AM you can get Qatar QSuites or JAL Suites.
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I will give some sample tax/charges on AM for the rest of your comparisons:

1. Tokyo - RM720
2. New York / LA - RM1347
3. Milan - RM1210
4. Paris - RM1517
5. London - RM2086
6. Sydney - RM1433

I would say this comparison is the absolute basic usage for the Frequent Flyer program, as you can get even better value when you look at other aspects of the programs, such as partner redemption etc, for example:

1. you can use KF miles to fly to Dubai at 49k, then spend another 29k on star alliance flights to europe, it is cheaper than outright redemption on SQ to europe, with a stopover (currently there is promotion flying to dubai for only 34k) but with a bit more taxes.

2. For AM, you would not redeem CX to fly to Australia as that is taking the long way. You could just outright redeem MH or even QF flights with less miles and shorter travel time.

3. If you look at Multi carrier award redemption for Asiamiles, you may get some seriously outsized value. for example flying to NYC cost 170k miles, if you use MCA, it will cost 165k miles, and you can take some extra flights up to 20000 miles total travel distance, eg you can go via hong kong with cx and return with AA + JL with a stop at Hawaii and Tokyo

So my conclusion is use KF miles if you want to fly SQ, because redeeming on other partners (with the exception on some routes) will cost you as much taxes as they did on AM. I find AM generally gives better value and flexibility, unless Im fixated on flying SQ suites.
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post May 17 2019, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(isaacchew @ May 16 2019, 05:57 PM)
Those taxes are for business class? Okay i'll fill in my table. Thanks.

1. The figures I searched is slightly different. I see 50k to Dubai, then 35k to Europe on Star Alliance = 85k. Outright redemption on SQ Saver is 76k miles?

2. Yes of course that doesn't make sense. Was just filling in the table for completeness sake.

3. Okay will look at MCA.

If you had to choose, do you prefer KF or AM?
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1. Hmm I dont know what your search parameters are but these are my results:

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There are also flights with Luftansa/Swiss/Egytair etc for the second flight but Im just showing Turkish for example

I would prefer AM at the moment
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post May 23 2019, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(skty @ May 23 2019, 12:34 AM)

why you say AM generally gives better value and flexbility?
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Because AM require less miles on almost all routes, MCA let u fly several airlines on one ticket, etc.

Also for long haul flights (13h+) I will always prefer to break the flight into 2 segment and sometimes I purposely arrange overnight layover, this is much more manageable when Im traveling with young children, so the idea of spending 14hours on SQ to Europe etc with young children does not appeal to me.
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post May 23 2019, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(anwa @ May 23 2019, 11:43 AM)
Do you find the taxes in AM way more than KF? or you are happy to pay that eg less miles (cost of accumulating miles) offset the extra tax
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KF surcharge is less than AM only if you are flying on SQ. If you are redeeming on partner, the charges will be on par with AM charges. For example if you redeem Turkish using your kf miles there will be surcharge+tax, whereas redeeming on SQ you pay only the tax. Surcharge are set by each airline while taxes are fixed according to airport/location.

If I am flying to Europe or US destination, RM1k per pax charges is still reasonable for me, for shorter flights (less than 8 hours) it does not give a good value by paying surcharges when redeeming miles, for example paying RM1k for AM to fly to bangkok vs paying RM200 with KF (Although both option does make sense for me as Bangkok cash fares are dirt cheap to begin with).

So in the end it depends on where you want to go and how you can get the seats/miles

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post May 23 2019, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(skty @ May 23 2019, 11:54 AM)
from the comparison AM requires the most miles compare to KF.

why you say AM requires less miles?

btw what is MCA?

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From the comparison posted on last page, almost all routes AM cost less miles compared to KF...

The route that AM cost more miles is because the author is using a longer route ie. KUL-HKG-SYD, while in actual situation you just redeem MH with direct flights to SYD with less miles.
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post Jun 13 2019, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(araveang @ Jun 13 2019, 11:31 AM)
any expert on asiamiles here?

need a little bit of help here.

- what are the chances on waitlist on asiamiles

- i noticed that all JAL flight are full from KL no matter which date i chose.

- any other tips redeeming flights flight to japan using asiamiles. it seems osaka is a very hard route to get.

called in managed to get the easiest flight is KUL-HK, but HK - KIX is damn hard to find all jal flights are also full to next year.

is that common for JAL to be so full, as i am checking through BA there are some redemption left.
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I dont think JAL fly from KUL to KIX, they only fly to Tokyo NRT, and if you search KUL-KIX through BA you will see plenty of space on JAL with 1 stop at NRT, but some domestic require airport change from NRT to HND so becareful. other options include CX to HKG then KIX, MH to BKK then JL to KIX

CX usually release space nearer to the departure date (2-4weeks i think), other options include MH too but they only give 1-2 seats per flight, and you wont find seats too far in advance.
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post Dec 11 2019, 09:08 AM

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QUOTE(charlesj @ Dec 10 2019, 07:50 PM)
Not really.
I will say both pros and cons.
Those frequent user (who redeem always) usually have no problem with expiry miles.
However, those travel infrequently, for my case - my mum, will travel on CX once or twice a year, occasionally on my or my dad miles redemption.
With 3 yrs validity, it is sufficient to redeem short distance flight for myself (yes, me not her tongue.gif)
She has no CC (supp) to earn miles, solely by flying.
18 mths is a bit short, let's say 1 year without travel / fly on my redemption ticket / fly with other SA airlines, her miles will be nearly expired.
Of course for the bright side, her miles will never expired if she keep flying CX / earning AM and sufficient to redeem long haul ticket for herself.
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Miles will never expire if there is any transactions at all, you could just transfer 1000 asiamiles into your account to keep it alive every 18 months, or choose to donate a minimum amount.

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