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 Battle of the +/- rm7k TVs, + Discussion on Sharp UE630X

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post Mar 6 2016, 01:06 PM

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sharp or sony. no to toshiba, they're having an internal issues now.
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post Mar 7 2016, 01:42 AM

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QUOTE(susu_capbadak @ Mar 4 2016, 11:38 PM)
If like that I choose wrong tv liao haha, should have get samsung. When I started to research I was looking for lcd to do 3 main things, watch astro, watch youtube and play files from pendrive on that order
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i got good news for you - i found a way to playback usb on the tv reliably! biggrin.gif

i spent a couple of hours reading anything i could find on the subject then tried a few things.

the answer is two fold:

.. DO NOT use usb1 (at the side, left) - i think this drive is usb3.0, blue in color, may be too sensitive to plug ins and outs, diff hdd's, etc. use one of the other 2 at the back which looks like usb2.0 to me.

.. DO NOT use native player. use... KODI! thumbup.gif just install direct from playstore, version jarvis 16.0.

you can then play with video->files->sdcard; the hdd folders will show. and if u r familiar with kodi, it's easy to navigate, get subs, etc.

i tried all 3 usb drives, tried Kodi, VLC, MX, ES file explorer. Kodi is by far, the best.

i never liked using kodi for usb playback on my boxes since the native players are easier to use and superior for hd audio pass thru. so, here, i finally get to use it that way! laugh.gif

one more thing - don't worry about usb extension cables. i tried it, no problem. and chances are it will be required since the usb2 and 3 ports are somewhat hidden at the back.


one thing clear to me now is this sharp ue630x... while the android inside is pretty good, the usb drive/player is poor. strange they try to stinge on that. anyway, glad there is an acceptable solution. wink.gif

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post Mar 7 2016, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Mar 7 2016, 01:42 AM)
i got good news for you - i found a way to playback usb on the tv reliably! biggrin.gif

i spent a couple of hours reading anything i could find on the subject then tried a few things.

the answer is two fold:

.. DO NOT use usb1 (at the side, left) - i think this drive is usb3.0, blue in color, may be too sensitive to plug ins and outs, diff hdd's, etc. use one of the other 2 at the back which looks like usb2.0 to me.

.. DO NOT use native player. use... KODI! thumbup.gif just install direct from playstore, version jarvis 16.0.

you can then play with video->files->sdcard; the hdd folders will show. and if u r familiar with kodi, it's easy to navigate, get subs, etc.

i tried all 3 usb drives, tried Kodi, VLC, MX, ES file explorer. Kodi is by far, the best.

i never liked using kodi for usb playback on my boxes since the native players are easier to use and superior for hd audio pass thru. so, here, i finally get to use it that way! laugh.gif

one more thing - don't worry about usb extension cables. i tried it, no problem. and chances are it will be required since the usb2 and 3 ports are somewhat hidden at the back.
one thing clear to me now is this sharp ue630x... while the android inside is pretty good, the usb drive/player is poor. strange they try to stinge on that. anyway, glad there is an acceptable solution. wink.gif
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That's good news and useful for future buyers smile.gif

I think tv manufacturers are moving towards the smart functions and are leaving the old USB playback via built-in media player behind. Even my Samsung JS7200's USB media player is mediocre compared to using DLNA servers and files supported is much less compared to DLNA. I guess using apps is the way to go and forget about using native players.
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QUOTE(gme @ Mar 6 2016, 01:04 PM)
x cukup bajet bro... cry.gif
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Have to compromise somewhere. I think there are good options in the mid-end with the Sharp 630X, Samsung JS7200 and Panasonic CX600 / CX700. The sharp has better black levels, the samsung & pana have WCG so the colours are amazing but they are both IPS so black levels are not so good. If your budget allows it the Sony X8500C is amazing but pricey (but cheaper than other Samsung & Sony high end LEDs).

In high-end LEDs it's all between Samsung & Sony now. But the price is so close to OLED that one might as well consider OLEDs. Mid-end there are more models to consider but with Philips & Toshiba not releasing new models for 2015, there is only Samsung, Panasonic & Sharp to consider. Sony all priced at a premium.

Did I miss out anything?

Anyone wants to provide reviews for Xiaomi & Hisense which are the budget segment?




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post Mar 7 2016, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Mar 7 2016, 01:42 AM)
i got good news for you - i found a way to playback usb on the tv reliably! biggrin.gif

i spent a couple of hours reading anything i could find on the subject then tried a few things.

the answer is two fold:

.. DO NOT use usb1 (at the side, left) - i think this drive is usb3.0, blue in color, may be too sensitive to plug ins and outs, diff hdd's, etc. use one of the other 2 at the back which looks like usb2.0 to me.

.. DO NOT use native player. use... KODI! thumbup.gif just install direct from playstore, version jarvis 16.0.

you can then play with video->files->sdcard; the hdd folders will show. and if u r familiar with kodi, it's easy to navigate, get subs, etc.

i tried all 3 usb drives, tried Kodi, VLC, MX, ES file explorer. Kodi is by far, the best.

i never liked using kodi for usb playback on my boxes since the native players are easier to use and superior for hd audio pass thru. so, here, i finally get to use it that way! laugh.gif

one more thing - don't worry about usb extension cables. i tried it, no problem. and chances are it will be required since the usb2 and 3 ports are somewhat hidden at the back.
one thing clear to me now is this sharp ue630x... while the android inside is pretty good, the usb drive/player is poor. strange they try to stinge on that. anyway, glad there is an acceptable solution. wink.gif
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Wah, that good news indeed. Yaloh you might be right about Usb 2 and 3, never thought to try out the other two. Thanks!!! But let me see if I can replicate your success b4 I celebrate haha
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post Mar 7 2016, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(susu_capbadak @ Mar 7 2016, 02:10 PM)
Wah, that good news indeed. Yaloh you might be right about Usb 2 and 3, never thought to try out the other two. Thanks!!! But let me see if I can replicate your success b4 I celebrate haha
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yes, try it.

it is still possible an hdd cannot be read, i have one like that.

likely the formatting, sensitive usb drive. biggrin.gif

but overall, can use.



i am now testing the tv kodi samba functions - see if it can stream wifi 4K material from my pc.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Mar 7 2016, 03:14 PM)
i am now testing the tv kodi samba functions - see if it can stream wifi 4K material from my pc.
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tested this... no good.

kodi 16.0 jarvis struggles with 4k over wifi on this tv. buffers a lot.

kodi can playback 4k files on tv's usb, no problem.



the fact that the tv can do netflix 4k over wifi and my other android box's native player can do 4k over wifi says kodi 16.0 jarvis is not ready for 4k wifi.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Mar 7 2016, 07:15 PM)
tested this... no good.

kodi 16.0 jarvis struggles with 4k over wifi on this tv. buffers a lot.

kodi can playback 4k files on tv's usb, no problem.
the fact that the tv can do netflix 4k over wifi and my other android box's native player can do 4k over wifi says kodi 16.0 jarvis is not ready for 4k wifi.
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Try ethernet or powerline. Should work better than wifi.
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post Mar 8 2016, 01:01 AM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Mar 7 2016, 07:15 PM)
tested this... no good.

kodi 16.0 jarvis struggles with 4k over wifi on this tv. buffers a lot.

kodi can playback 4k files on tv's usb, no problem.
the fact that the tv can do netflix 4k over wifi and my other android box's native player can do 4k over wifi says kodi 16.0 jarvis is not ready for 4k wifi.
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Not really, for one, Netflix doesn't push anything close to true 4K. Jarvis can handle true 4K content streaming over Wifi.. So it's more like, either the TV can't handle it or at minimum the Wifi adapter can't handle it.. You can try the RC1. Plus, should be using Ethernet for the TV for optimal results.
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post Mar 8 2016, 01:07 AM

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QUOTE(voncrane @ Mar 8 2016, 01:01 AM)
Not really, for one, Netflix doesn't push anything close to true 4K. Jarvis can handle true 4K content streaming over Wifi.. So it's more like, either the TV can't handle it or at minimum the Wifi adapter can't handle it.. You can try the RC1. Plus, should be using Ethernet for the TV for optimal results.
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my q16 box native media center can handle same 4k files over same wifi, so...

if ethernet, wired, should be fine.

there is little 4k content now, will not pursue further at this time.

yeah, will try again with 16.1, 16.2.

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post Mar 8 2016, 03:53 AM

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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Mar 7 2016, 10:54 AM)
Have to compromise somewhere. I think there are good options in the mid-end with the Sharp 630X, Samsung JS7200 and Panasonic CX600 / CX700. The sharp has better black levels, the samsung & pana have WCG so the colours are amazing but they are both IPS so black levels are not so good. If your budget allows it the Sony X8500C is amazing but pricey (but cheaper than other Samsung & Sony high end LEDs).

In high-end LEDs it's all between Samsung & Sony now. But the price is so close to OLED that one might as well consider OLEDs. Mid-end there are more models to consider but with Philips & Toshiba not releasing new models for 2015, there is only Samsung, Panasonic & Sharp to consider. Sony all priced at a premium.

Did I miss out anything?

Anyone wants to provide reviews for Xiaomi & Hisense which are the budget segment?
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tq so much bro for your good information...
only 4 model in my mind now,
-Samsung 60js7200
-Samsung 65ju7500
-sharp 58 or 65 630x
-sharp 65 330x
bro..is it this model have hdr or only 4k? blush.gif
what is different js vs ju Samsung model..
tq master..
just google sony website...
wow...sony s85c-4k hdr
anobody now the price for 65"..tq

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post Mar 8 2016, 09:50 AM

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QUOTE(gme @ Mar 8 2016, 03:53 AM)
tq so much bro for your good information...
only 4 model in my mind now,
-Samsung 60js7200
-Samsung 65ju7500
-sharp 58 or 65 630x
-sharp 65 330x
bro..is it this model have hdr or only 4k? blush.gif
what is different js vs ju Samsung model..
tq master..
just google sony website...
wow...sony s85c-4k hdr
anobody now the price for 65"..tq
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Between those choices 60JS7200 has the best picture quality due to wide colour gamut and it is also HDR capable.

JS denotes SUHD model i.e. Samsung's moniker for Quantum dot (wide colour gamut /WCG) & HDR capable TVs.
JU is the normal UHD tv without wide colour and HDR.

One thing for sure is WCG & HDR makes a huge difference in picture quality based on what I have seen on my 55" JS7200. But due to limited sources for HDR video currently, you can't sample a lot of content. The HDR on higher end TVs and 2016 "UHD Premium" certified TVs are expected to be even better due to wider contrast but this will probably be very expensive.

For the Sony S85C, it's firmware has been upgraded to support minimum HDR same as X85C. These 2 models don't fully support HDR but I don't know what their limitations are. Not sure about the price for S model but X85C 65" is now availabel for 7.8k in Lazada.

In my opinion both the JS7200 & S85C/X85C are great mid-high end choices. Personally I like the Sony better overall due to natural colours, deeper blacks and Android TV but the Samsung is very similar in quality, cheaper and has more vivid colours. So in the end the JS7200 is more bang for buck.
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Hi guys, i just bought the Sharp 50UE630X for rm3.5k, picture quality is awesome! Yet to explore all the features. However, i find the brightness is too bright at times =D
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QUOTE(ericlai @ Mar 8 2016, 01:56 PM)
Hi guys, i just bought the Sharp 50UE630X for rm3.5k, picture quality is awesome! Yet to explore all the features. However, i find the brightness is too bright at times =D
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congrats...
I am still thinking of Sony KD49X8300C or Sharp 50UE630X. Good thing about the sony is its not too bright and 800motion flow,
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QUOTE(ericlai @ Mar 8 2016, 01:56 PM)
Hi guys, i just bought the Sharp 50UE630X for rm3.5k, picture quality is awesome! Yet to explore all the features. However, i find the brightness is too bright at times =D
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if u hv not tried...

two ways to deal with that:

.. go to tv settings, control, set to eco1 or eco2 - these will lower the overall brightness.

.. tv setup, try all the presets std, movie, dynamic, etc. can adjust the parameters for each default setting.

yes, it will come across a bright becos of "black should be black, white should be white"! biggrin.gif

and u will get used to it very quickly.


this tv delivers its best when playing bluray/bdmv/uhd4k videos.
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QUOTE(ericlai @ Mar 8 2016, 01:56 PM)
Hi guys, i just bought the Sharp 50UE630X for rm3.5k, picture quality is awesome! Yet to explore all the features. However, i find the brightness is too bright at times =D
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That's weird I find mine not bright enough .. But I didn't adjust the brightness just left it at default. Maybe it's because I'm using it in the living room and a lot of sunlight especially during daytime and noon.
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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Mar 8 2016, 09:50 AM)
Between those choices 60JS7200 has the best picture quality due to wide colour gamut and it is also HDR capable.

JS denotes SUHD model i.e. Samsung's moniker for Quantum dot (wide colour gamut /WCG) & HDR capable TVs.
JU is the normal UHD tv without wide colour and HDR.

One thing for sure is WCG & HDR makes a huge difference in picture quality based on what I have seen on my 55" JS7200. But due to limited sources for HDR video currently, you can't sample a lot of content. The HDR on higher end TVs and 2016 "UHD Premium" certified TVs are expected to be even better due to wider contrast but this will probably be very expensive.

For the Sony S85C, it's firmware has been upgraded to support minimum HDR same as X85C. These 2 models don't fully support HDR but I don't know what their limitations are. Not sure about the price for S model but X85C 65" is now availabel for 7.8k in Lazada.

In my opinion both the JS7200 & S85C/X85C are great mid-high end choices. Personally I like the Sony better overall due to natural colours, deeper blacks and Android TV but the Samsung is very similar in quality, cheaper and has more vivid colours. So in the end the JS7200 is more bang for buck.
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What do you think of the choice between the Samsung 60" J6200 and Sony 65" W850C?

Perhaps not really comparable but I have shortlisted down to these as I dont really need 4k. The Sony is much more expensive than the Samsung (average now is RM6.1k vs RM4.5k) for the mere increase of size. I think the Samsung picture quality is fine, just that the bezel is thicker and not so thin.

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Thanks guys! i always use the tv as a monitor in the living room, so i use PC mode. Hence, some of the settings like 'sharpness' is not available.

As for movies, i'm using Kodi from my pc to my pioneer AVR. Tested full hd Avatar yesterday, 20GB file. Picture quality is awesome. However, if u play those full hd video file around 1.4GB size, it will not look as sharp as my previous Sony full hd tv. Maybe the Sharp's 4K up scale engine is not working in PC mode? =D

Im using eco 1 now, i still find it bright at times. Eco 2 is too dim.

Besides, i also find 'red' color is more punchy than the other color with 630X.
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Last week, harvey norman is having deals of the week for sony tv 50W800C for RM2,979, full hd android tv. I nearly bought that tv. Once i saw sharp's 630X, i immediately change my mind =D

@DannyOP The tv's screen is not matte instead reflective, so with bright sunlight, the brightness will not good. So i always close the curtain while watching tv. Maybe you try to off OPC function.
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QUOTE(ericlai @ Mar 8 2016, 03:27 PM)
Thanks guys! i always use the tv as a monitor in the living room, so i use PC mode. Hence, some of the settings like 'sharpness' is not available.

As for movies, i'm using Kodi from my pc to my pioneer AVR. Tested full hd Avatar yesterday, 20GB file. Picture quality is awesome. However, if u play those full hd video file around 1.4GB size, it will not look as sharp as my previous Sony full hd tv. Maybe the Sharp's 4K up scale engine is not working in PC mode? =D

Im using eco 1 now, i still find it bright at times. Eco 2 is too dim.

Besides, i also find 'red' color is more punchy than the other color with 630X.
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pc mode... way too bright to watch a movie.

i like movie setting best.

maybe u can adjust the movie settings to be closer to pc settings to see if u find a nice spot there.

and yes, the red, green colors are exceptional.

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