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post Dec 17 2015, 10:44 PM

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I have been looking at the PRS funds mainly for the RM3k tax relief.

The only benefits are as listed in FSM website.


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What are the incentives of investing in PRS?

No/Minimal sales charge – PRS funds have no/minimal sales charge to ensure that you enjoy the lowest investment costs on your retirement savings.
Low entry requirements – Minimum initial contribution is RM100 and minimum subsequent contribution is RM50 per fund.
Flexibility – contributors can choose funds that best suit their investment needs.
Convenience – automatic monthly contributions via Regular Savings Plan.
Transparency – contributors have timely access to fund performance and information.
Tax relief - up to RM 3,000 per tax payer per year of assessment (Y/A) from Y/A 2012 to 2021.
But I see the performance of the funds are so, so only. I think the best performing fund is Kenanga OnePRS Fund. Am I right? Apart from tax relief and zero sales fee, I can't think of any other reasons why someone would prefer PRS funds with their lock in period compared to the normal funds under FSM.

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post Dec 17 2015, 11:25 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Dec 17 2015, 10:45 PM)
Kenanga OnePRS Growth Fund?

It is feeding into KGF.
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Yes, I know. About 70% KGF and 30% Kenanga Bond. But I think it is OK if I only put RM3k every year for the tax relief although I already have KGF in my portfolio.
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post Dec 18 2015, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Dec 18 2015, 10:41 AM)
For individual contribution, yes, that's about the only benefit

That's why I always advocate for it for employer contribution. But not many employers are willing to do it. If you are self-employed under Sdn Bhd, you should consider that

One of the popular tax planning method is to shift remuneration into extra EPF contribution as it is tax deductible for the company up to 19% employer contribution. For the extra 7%, actually PRS can get tax deduction too. The biggest pro is, if you put in EPF, when you want to take out account 1 for unit trust investment, you need to pay sales charge; the funds must be approved by EPF which means only Malaysian equities and the amount you can take out will be less than the entire additional 7%

The con however is, most HR would not do extra work paying into different asset management companies and occasionally the employees would want to switch funds or fund house
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Thanks a lot for your info. I am an employer but not under sdn bhd. I am under partnership. Therefore I think I should do PRS to get the tax relief. I don't have EPF as well unless I do self contribution.

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post Dec 18 2015, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Dec 18 2015, 10:46 AM)
Actually I wish they have pure equity funds like CIMB or Affin Hwang or Am for us to choose. Kenanga bond is really lousy and dragging down the growth fund performance... 1 year return of 2.3%, CMF is much better
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Well I can't see any other good funds in PRS. There is another CIMB PRS fund which feeds into Ponzi 2. But since Ponzi 2 is not performing well currently, the CIMB PRS's performance is also affected.

Therefore Kenanga OnePRS Fund seems to be the way to go. Unless other forumers here have better options to offer? notworthy.gif

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post Dec 18 2015, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Dec 18 2015, 10:48 AM)
You might want to consider setting up Sdn Bhd. SME enjoys much better tax perks compared to partnership... I don't know much about LLP though
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Yes, there is also a new LLP Act which came up a few years ago. But I think it is not very popular at the moment.


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post Dec 18 2015, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Dec 18 2015, 10:55 AM)
Refer to morningstar on latest returns
http://gllt.morningstar.com/e6qvxuu98r/fun...B&tab=ShortTerm

But the truth is, it's cyclical. It depends on which market you believe in really. Every year when I use the YTD returns to decide to buy which fund, end up after that it doesn't do well  doh.gif

KGF will be those more stable fund, but if Msia equities crash... then the Asia funds would do better
This year I bought CIMB islamic asia pac... but in the red at the moment

My employer contribution feeds into Kenanga growth PRS... phew
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Hi thanks a lot for the link. If I want to be kiasu, maybe I will divide RM3K equally into Kenanga OnePRS, CIMB Islamic PRS Plus and AmPRS REITs. biggrin.gif

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post Dec 18 2015, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Dec 18 2015, 11:13 AM)
yes LLP has problem on opening accounts. Bank needs the legal partnership agreement before they allow you to open. Also now bank not granting any loan facilities to LLP.
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Another minus point if I am not mistaken is that the audited accounts for the LLP need to be lodged every year like a sdn bhd. So anyone can do a public search and get a copy of your audited account?

I don't think the partnership would like that at all. Most would prefer the revenue and expenses to be secret.
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post Dec 18 2015, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Dec 18 2015, 11:54 AM)
Wah.. like thatr you will be charged RM24 a year for 3 PRS
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You are absolutely right Kaka. I called FSM this morning. They told me that if we are buying PRS solely for the tax relief of RM3K, then usually the investor will only buy one fund. This is because of the annual admin fee of RM8 per fund.

Thanks.
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post Dec 18 2015, 05:54 PM

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Potong stim. Just when I thought that there could a mini rally for year end, all the markets closed RED today. doh.gif
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post Dec 18 2015, 06:01 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Dec 18 2015, 04:30 PM)
SAME SAME, SAMA SAMA problem too...

my new year 2016 portfolio plan....
Asia Quantum
Cimb Asia Pac
Kenanga Growth
EI Small Cap
RHB Smart treasure

TA Global Tech
Amb Income trust
Hw Select Income

selling China, india and Japan focused funds
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My existing portfolio which will carry forward to 2016 portfolio...

1. CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund
2. CIMB-Principal Global Titans Fund
3. Eastspring Investments Global Leaders MY Fund
4. TA European Equity Fund
5. CIMB-Principal Greater China Equity Fund
6. RHB China-India Dynamic Growth
7. Eastspring Investments Small-Cap
8. Kenanga Growth Fund
9. RHB Asian Total Return Fund


I hope it will work out.

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post Dec 18 2015, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Dec 18 2015, 06:03 PM)
Give opportunity to buy in during fsm promo ma..
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No more buy in please for me. My FSM portfolio is full already. Maybe I will use the 3% signal principle and do value averaging every 3 months to re-balance my portfolio only.

I have to move on to other baskets of investment already. Maybe self contribution for EPF, stock market, pre-payment for housing loan, etc.



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post Dec 18 2015, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Dec 18 2015, 06:19 PM)
hmm.gif have to standby ammo.....usually FSM would have promo in Jan

What & Where to Invest in 2015
Promotion is valid from 20 January 2015 till 30 January 2015

What & Where to Invest in 2014
Promotion from 21 January 2014 till 14 February 2014.

What & Where to Invest Unit Trusts promotion
from 29th January – 28th February 2013.
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Hi thanks for the info bro.
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post Dec 18 2015, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 18 2015, 09:35 PM)
I AM TOTALLY LOST. What the hell is wrong with Aberdeen Islamic World??? shakehead.gif

All my funds went up yesterday...

But the stupid Aladdin went down doh.gif

Current IRR...4.03% doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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I thought you knew...Aberdeen for sale rumor since October 2015. A lot of news in the internet. Does this have any effect on Aberdeen Islamic World performance?

See for eg the link at http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/41fc1e60-7b0e-11...l#axzz3uga2psB2
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post Dec 18 2015, 11:20 PM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Dec 18 2015, 10:40 PM)
Tis year event was held at Mid Valley CC plus they gave a lot of freebies (incl power bank)
Looking forward to next year event
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Eh, I went to Mid-Valley for the exhibition but didn't any power bank. Siapa curi saya punya? I got a lot of other freebies though. rclxms.gif

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post Dec 18 2015, 11:39 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 18 2015, 11:22 PM)
Article not available for non-subscribers.
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Eh strange. I am not a subscriber and I can access it. Just google "Aberdeen Fund for sale" and you will see all the different news.

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post Dec 22 2015, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 22 2015, 11:24 AM)
I think I wanna swtich from Affin Hwang Select Opportunity to Lee Sook Yee fund that day hmm.gif
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Pink Spider, what would be the difference between switching now and switching on that day? I thought we would just utilise the credit points?
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post Dec 22 2015, 12:47 PM

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I just realised that I don't have a personal account. All this while I have been trading on FSM using the beneficiary account.

So now I have opened a personal account. Otherwise I cannot buy the Kenanga OnePRS fund. I just bought RM3K of the fund today for tax relief purpose. Tomorrow I have to buy another RM6K for SSPN. Anyone need a personal computer? Got another RM3K tax relief I think.

Now I am thinking whether I should use the personal account to start another portfolio. Sort of like a 2nd chance. But I still have a lot of unutilised credit points from my beneficiary account. Seems like a waste to start paying sales fee again.
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post Dec 22 2015, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Dec 22 2015, 12:47 PM)
assuming others influences are not added in...will the credit point deduction be lesser when the SC is 0.5% vs 2.0%Sc now?
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In my simple mind, credit point is free compared to SC of 0.5%. Unless we want to save the credit points for other switching in the future when there is no SC promotion of 0.5%.
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post Dec 22 2015, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 22 2015, 01:16 PM)
Affin Hwang and Kenanga are 2 different fund houses. Thus, the switching is called INTER-fund house switching, which basically entails selling off a fund and buying into another. 2% SC involved.

If do it during the event day...0.5% ph34r.gif
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Ooo.......ask the master of credit points and you shall be given. Convert your INTER-fund switch into INTRA-fund switch.

Affin Hwang Equity Fund = Affin Hwang Bond Fund = Kenanga Bond = Kenanga Equity Fund.

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post Dec 22 2015, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 22 2015, 02:42 PM)
1. FSM MANA ADA CARRY Affin Hwang PUNYA BOND FUND???
2. FSM that stupid? blink.gif When u switch from A equity fund to A bond fund, yeah u earn credit points. But when u switch from A bond fund to B bond fund, yeah no SC, but credit u earn from A can be used for B meh? rclxub.gif
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Bro, I have done this a few hundred times. I have now close to 200,000 unutilised credit points.

FSM has the Affin Hwang Bond Fund. doh.gif

Do not challenge the master of credit points. biggrin.gif



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