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Ramjade
post Jan 5 2016, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jan 5 2016, 11:22 PM)
Coz. I having thoughs to buy a new PRS fund this year..  tongue.gif
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Although I don't have a UT yet, I don't think is wise to buy so many. Just buy for income tax purpose and use the money elsewhere?
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post Jan 6 2016, 12:00 AM

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QUOTE(ohcipala @ Jan 5 2016, 11:43 PM)
Mind to share why not to buy a few PRS funds?
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QUOTE(aoisky @ Jan 5 2016, 11:44 PM)
why are you thought so ? do mean buy just for income tax purpose is wiser ?
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Is just my opinion. I don't have a FSM account yet. Maximise PRS for income tax. No more than that. After that focus your money on other stuff. From what I have been following (few months of stalking this thread), PRS does not match up to the expected returns compare to the normal UT funds. One can use the normal UT fund as a form of PRS also.

One already have EPF, active UT, shares in Malaysia (not everyone have shares). Diversify out of Malaysia. I think that is more than enough in Malaysia.
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post Jan 6 2016, 08:43 AM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jan 6 2016, 08:39 AM)
I am confident in 15 - 20 years, you can see PRS returns will be better than FD, EPF...  biggrin.gif
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Sure or not about epf? Epf returns + what's given by employer can be as high as 20% returns (note I didn't say will be 20% returns) I haven't seen any PRS able to match that return.
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post Jan 6 2016, 09:16 AM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jan 6 2016, 09:02 AM)
Just a note - employers do not contribute >19% EPF due to tax/cost concerns
for "EPF - Employer's Contribution"
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6.x% + employer contribution will definitely give returns of >10% right?

Any PRS give that kind of returns?
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post Jan 6 2016, 09:24 AM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Jan 6 2016, 09:20 AM)
hmm.gif so it
2.5% + employer contribution will definitely give returns of > 10% right?

can take employer contribution into the calculation?
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2.5% returns vs 6.x% returns? Why would you want to take 2.5% returns over 6.x% returns? Like I said PRS should be utilised for income tax only.
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post Jan 6 2016, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jan 6 2016, 09:32 AM)
mathematical statistics means whatever it is to the cooker.

facts are facts - Employer's EPF contribution does not exceed 19% of Employee's gross.
no right or not here

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As for "PRS just for income tax", i'd say it depends on one's usage of PRS.
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are U just espousing "there is only 1 way to use a tool"?

eg.
for employees that can only save $3K pa (excluding EPF contribution)
and for sure wont touch long long,
won't it be better for them to use PRS instead of "normal mutual funds" which will incur some % of frontload?
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What I am saying is just buy PRS for max tax relief. Any balance dump into epf rather than buy a PRS.
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post Jan 6 2016, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jan 6 2016, 11:24 AM)
Yalah.. why would you want to take employer contribution into the calculation?
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Cause employer can only contribute to either EPF or PRS only right? They cannot contribute to both. Am I right?
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post Jan 6 2016, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jan 6 2016, 11:38 AM)
Kena sebat di katil?!!  tongue.gif

Haha.. go there makan free ada? Parking free?
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Penang free parking. Don't know if KL got free parking. Sure got food la.
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post Jan 8 2016, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jan 8 2016, 11:16 AM)
Next ball reading at the end of Jan16 based on data dated 31st-Dec-15.

Xuzen
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Have algozen been wrong?
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post Jan 8 2016, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jan 8 2016, 11:26 AM)
I repeat my allocation:

I) Large develop mkt cap = 54% (Titan)

II) Asia Pac ex-Jp = 36% (Ponzi 2.0)

III) Bolehland small-cap = 10% (ESISC)

No change at until next reading.
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Xuzen, hope you don't mind me asking, have the crystal ball been wrong before? Say how many times out of 100 times?
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post Jan 12 2016, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Jan 12 2016, 04:53 PM)
hmm.gif mind my ignorant and naiveness...
I had this thought too about ASx FP products too.....buy at RM 1, sell at RM 1 too.
isn't it capital guarantee?
notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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They didn't mentioned anything about capital guaranteed (no b&w). However it's the closest thing to capital guaranteed they can give you without the b&w. tongue.gif

Sorry if the ASX thread have been poor quality. I feel I am part to be blamed for it. Also lots of new people never read page. doh.gif
But ASX FP is as easy as ABC. There's also nothing much to talk about it.

ASX FP is kids playground where one will be safe. Not suitable for adults who want to take risk. tongue.gif But seriously FSM is one of the best way to increase one's returns if one is willing to lose some money and is DIY some more. No offense to anyone here. smile.gif

But as I said before I believed ASX FP can only help one to even out the increasing cost of living. If one were to try outrun the increase in living cost, I believed one were have to dabble in stocks, UT.

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Jan 12 2016, 05:41 PM
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post Jan 12 2016, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Jan 12 2016, 05:46 PM)
Thanks to our government who wants to leverage on the people's money to prop up the share market but at the same time these people will not invest in anything that may lose money

Capital guaranteed is such a powerful term in behavioral finance; as soon as people hear that word, all logic goes out of the window  cool2.gif
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Actually I don't see what's wrong with that. What's wrong with people do not want to invest in anything that may lose money? There are some who invest fully in FDs. At least the people have alternative to FDs if they want "capital. guaranteed without the b&w" 6.X% is actually quite achievable no considering one can get 7-8% from dividends paid by stocks

Of course capital guaranteed is so powerful. Why else you think people put money in FD? Because the principal and returns are guaranteed unless of course if one exceed the limit for pidm, then it's not covered. Take maybank GIA. People rush to put it. When they found out principal and returns not guaranteed they straight away reject (real incident at maybank)

Btw if there is a fund which buy and sell at RM1/unit not from asnb with returns higher than ASX FP, I wouldn't mind withdrawing and buying that fund. Unfortunately, such fund do not exist in the world.

So please do state your reasons what's wrong with people investing in something which they won't lose their money. I would like to know what's wrong.

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post Jan 13 2016, 12:09 AM

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My post also got reported mad.gif vmad.gif
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post Jan 13 2016, 10:36 PM

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I have a question to asked. You guys are holding long term right, so why let some red bother you guys? If red should take this opportunity to top up some more what? No?
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post Jan 14 2016, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(superb999 @ Jan 14 2016, 04:39 PM)
AFAIK, ASX also never mention that they will guarantee ur capital
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Yes. You're right. They never mentioned in b&w but you are buying and selling at RM1/unit. You tell me how is that not capital protected?

If is not why do you think the non-bumi quota is always sold out? If is not rm1/unit, you think got people want to put?

Anyway I feel ASX FP is a FD on steroid. One should have enough money in something safe FD/ASX/bond which can generate enough passive income for one's monthly expenses.
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post Jan 14 2016, 07:11 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Jan 14 2016, 05:57 PM)
I hope this is the last time I address this remark, but I doubt it

The buying and selling at RM1/unit is to make people who are adverse of losing money to go into this eventhough it's a pure equity fund.
If any of this people bother to read the master prospectus
http://www.asnb.com.my/v3_/pdf/produk/mast..._prospectus.pdf

and the various fund factsheets
http://www.asnb.com.my/v3_/pdf/produk/ASB/...0331PHS-ASB.pdf

It is clearly stated that • ASB is a fixed price fund and it is not a capital guaranteed fund under the Guidelines

So please, do not ever equate ASX funds as capital guaranteed investments such as FDs anymore. It's not even guaranteed by the government of Malaysia such as bank rakyat FDs or SSPN savings. If it follows the normal SC guidelines, it would have a risk rating of 8 like Kenanga Growth Fund

As to it being always fully subscribed, that's where the national interest is, they have to have products like this to make sure Msia share market doesn't swing crazily up and down during times like this.

Key question is - Do you want to be part of that, the black box method where you don't know how much your RM1 per unit is worth, it could be RM0.80 now or RM1.20 now. By putting 100% of your money in that, is the same as putting 100% of your money in Kenanga Growth Fund; which is not advisable

I made my choice, I want to know how much my investment is worth, even if it means sometimes it's less than my capital. I also want to put some of my money in non-Malaysia assets to diverify better. My 7.7% IRR is much lower risk than putting the money in ASX; it's 70EQ:30FI

I know, you think your investment is risk free like FD.... we can continue to agree to disagree because even PNB say it is not risk free like FD
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First thank you. After being told repeated time, now I know. I used to don't know that it's not FD.

"capital protection" here means you cannot lose your money. How on earth you are going to lose your money if you buy and sell at RM1/unit? I know is not stated in b&w, hence the "" tongue.gif

Again sounds and look like me scenario. It was never a FD but still feels like one ("capital protection", consistent returns) tongue.gif Jokes aside. Some bumi see it as a high interest giving SA. Is not guaranteed by government of Malaysia but it's like epf under the ministry of finance. And we all know what will happen if something is in trouble. Left to right. whistling.gif

For me it doesn't matter whether it made a loss or not. Most important for me is my main money must not disappeared (loss through investment) and the returns must be above FD! They want to conjure money our from thin air also I don't care. As long as when I want the money and I am able to withdraw it, no problem. Any side money can make a loss.


QUOTE(xuzen @ Jan 14 2016, 05:57 PM)
Ans to Q4:

Noted. Equity fund such as KGF are used to increase one's wealth, if someone who already have wealth and need to persevere it for next generation for example, then there are other tools out there. KGF / ASX may no longer be the right tool.

Xuzen
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I agreed with you on this. If one wants to be rich, one cannot depend on single digit returns.

Btw, if one can go in and out of ASX FP anytime, would that be a better choice than CMF?

QUOTE(brotan @ Jan 14 2016, 06:31 PM)
Isn't CMF better?
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Yes and no. Returns of FD promos are 4.x%. Better than CMF. Downside is not liquid enough.
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QUOTE(lukenn @ Jan 14 2016, 08:53 PM)
My - very determined - colleague managed to accumulated RM100,000K for her daughter ... in 1.5 months ... after 27 visits.
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He works in/for Kenanga too? That's slow (the time he takes). tongue.gif
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QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 15 2016, 08:09 AM)
Valuecap+EPF+PNB+TH ---> cannot down for Bolehland!  rclxms.gif
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Plus other GLCs. tongue.gif That's why whoever come up with this is very smart. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jan 15 2016, 05:11 PM)
For me....ASM/AS 1M, OD account.....

I tarak FD or CMF. Living dangerously is my motto.  rclxms.gif
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And some people said ASX FP is bad as no transparency. A black box. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jan 18 2016, 07:58 AM)
hmm.gif if that happens then have to ask RAMJADE for help about the ASx products and its quequing process. or dump into KWSP.....
but I think,.....70% chances my UT will perform....it is whether my Emotion fear and anxiety can take it or not...NOW I think and said I can...but in reality not sure yet can tahan until what level.
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Better ASX FP than KWSP as KWSP can give below 6.x% while ASX FP gives consistent 6.x%. biggrin.gif thumbup.gif Btw, you want to taruh ASX FP, good luck. This year got potential lots of people flocking back to ASX FP as it is safe heaven.

I am going to enter UT via FSM and you are trying to enter ASX FP. sweat.gif

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