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Ramjade
post Jan 18 2016, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jan 18 2016, 10:14 AM)
Thanks bro. Looks like we are back to asset allocation and negative correlation between different asset class.
Ok what. You can fix an appointment with Mr. Looi at Menara PNB. Once you withdraw your money from ASM, etc. he can straightway open an ASM account and deposit his money equivalent to your withdrawal amount.  brows.gif
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Withdraw from asm, forget it. Those money are not to be withdraw but to generate sufficient passive income for monthly usage (which means I can survive on those dividends without a job). Excess from my salary only going to taruh FSM.
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post Jan 18 2016, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jan 18 2016, 10:39 AM)
RM3000/month target for passive income? When is your dateline to achieve your passive income bro?
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Actually rm1k+ enough for me to survive a month. smile.gif I am currently surviving on <rm1k. Dateline maybe 5 years after working. Of course that will change if I have family. sad.gif
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post Jan 20 2016, 01:50 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 20 2016, 01:43 PM)
Beware running out of ammo whistling.gif
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Pinky not buying anymore?
Ramjade
post Jan 20 2016, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Jan 20 2016, 02:12 PM)
U also got plenty ammo. U started invested in fsm?
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When I get back to Malaysia for good. For now is just ASX FP.

QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 20 2016, 02:19 PM)
ASB la...FSM tu penipu yang sial...gerenti lose money wan...ASB tu gerenti won't lose mani whistling.gif
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That's right. ASB takkan rugi walaupun fund rugi. "Miracle". tongue.gif Btw, not sound la. So pinky back to my question, pinky don't want to buy Ponzi 2.0?
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post Jan 25 2016, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Jan 25 2016, 01:23 PM)
Well I can share past experience, I asked them their view on my portfolio, there was a guy called Andy, he said overdiversified, otherwise no other issue. And discourage timing of market. Then will end with the sentence at FSM, we encourage investors to stay invested via RSP, this will avoid timing of market and also average out any volatility.
They will tell you opinion but will avoid to tell you exactlt which fund to let go at which time, and which funds to buy now, that is our own job to decide usually. But then again this was 2 years bacl .
Ill update again if I get successful reply this time
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If you keep losing year after year, I will recommend you park your money in ASX FP first until it can generate you sufficient money for your monthly expenses then try your hand at UT again. At least with ASX FP, one gets consistent 6.x% p.a despite good or bad market. Downside is one will never get the full returns during a good time.
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post Jan 25 2016, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Jan 25 2016, 01:46 PM)
ASX FP??
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Amanah saham fixed price fund (as1m, asw2020, ASM - for non bumi, asb -for bumi). You buy and sell the units at RM1/unit.

Keep in mind, amanah saham is not transparent. One will never know how much he or she actually gain/lose. The bright side is buying and selling is at RM1/unit with consistent returns of 6.x%.

If you cannot tahan something which is not transparent, don't invest in amanah saham. If you are like me, doesn't care about transparency as long as I get my yearly 6.x% and the selling price remains at RM1/unit, then amanah saham is suitable for you. biggrin.gif

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post Jan 25 2016, 02:06 PM

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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Jan 25 2016, 01:56 PM)
better than FSM??? but last I asked quota full for non Bumis
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With FSM, you can gain or lose say 30%. As pinky said it is only fair that you gain 30%, you can lose 30% also. Not fair to gain 30% but refuse to accept losses as with UT via banks/FSM, one will get the real amount whether it's loss or gain.

The bright side is with amanah saham, you can never lose money as buy and sell at RM1/unit. Downside is you get steady 6.x%/p.a.

Is always available as people buy and sell daily. Whether the worker want to help you open account or not. Head over to amanah saham thread
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post Jan 26 2016, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jan 26 2016, 03:51 PM)
Hahaha. I dunno how to do trend trading like some investors here. All I have are my titanium balls and spare ammos. I have no fear. Come, come, come. The markets can fall some more. Then I will gain more in the long run.  drool.gif  cool2.gif
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Titanium balls vs crystal ball aka Algozen drool.gif tongue.gif
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post Feb 12 2016, 11:24 AM

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I thought the idea here is to hold long term not like stocks. No? So if down, just let it be.

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post Feb 12 2016, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Feb 12 2016, 01:11 PM)
hmm.gif if I am comparing its NAV between 31 Dec till now....yes if you buy now, it has been discounted at about 15%

will it fall further?.....
hmm.gif if you are comparing
1) now till next week...I will tell you by next week
2) now till next month...I will tell you by next month

just remember no one knows when is the lowest NAV until it happened.

how much do you intend to go into GTF in % terms of your portfolio?
do you currently has GTF in your portfolio?
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GTF?
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post Feb 13 2016, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Feb 13 2016, 10:03 AM)
Some mental jotting:

I) I am exposed to three equity based funds: Titan, Ponzi 2.0 & ESISC.

II) If you look at the chart, Titan & Ponzi 2.0 have been on the uptrend for the past three years. It was only the past two months the funds have slid downwards. If you have done DCA on them, your lost should be still within a single digit percentage. If you do lump sum.... god help you.

III) ESISC is inverse to Titan & Ponzi 2.0; whenever they go down, ESISC goes the other way. If you, like me are invested in the three funds, then your loss in Titan & Ponzi 2.0 will be somewhat mitigated by the reversal of ESISC.

IV) If you have invested also in fixed income; your loss would have been even more mitigated by the fixed income fund's slow climb upwards.

V) The lessons is still true, buy funds that are poorly correlated with each other. Include a stable fixed income fund like Libra Asnita bond to make your portfolio more resilient to the volatility swings.

VI) The above are the golden rule of investing in UT.

VII) In times like this; stay strong & let diversity rules.

VIII) If you have already done point IV) to V); then stay away from looking at your portfolio for a few weeks. Let the bad weather pass. Read a book, go do something else.... just don't look at your portfolio for the time being.

Xuzen

p/s Note to self, no more topping up or DCA for the time being.
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What's your opinion about using ASX FP to replace libra asnita?
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post Feb 13 2016, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Feb 13 2016, 10:39 AM)
Keep your ASX stuff to ASX thread. Thanks.
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Why what's wrong with asking that question? Why can't we use that to replace libra asnita bond? Let it anchor our portfolio. Reduce volatility of the portfolio.

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post Feb 13 2016, 11:02 AM

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What the hell? Who report my post? Is a perfectly legit question as ASX FP is a UT.
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post Feb 13 2016, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Feb 13 2016, 11:12 AM)
It is best to discuss about ASx fund in the specific ASx thread.
As this thread topic is Fundsupermart instead of ASx.
ASx FP which is different breed compared to ordinary UT out there.

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The reason I am asking here is I am planning to use that and I want to know the calculations for it. Different breed of UT still a UT.

Bro xuzen can it be done? Can that be be taken into the account of IRR if we combine it with other funds?
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post Feb 13 2016, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Feb 13 2016, 11:32 AM)
There are some issues you must take note before you think of ASX FP as a replacement to Libra Asnita Bond:

I) The NAV of ASX is fixed and it is not reflective of the actual value of the fund. I have spoken at length about my opinion on ASX; I do not wish to repeat them.

II) ASX is from a different company. It is like asking Can I use Pub-Mut Bond as my fixed income portion? Sure you can, but you forget about the logistic hassle. Say for example when you need to move money into FSM's ESISC; you need to liquidate the fund from Pub-Mut which will take T+10, then write a cheque or IBG which will take another T+3 days to get into ESISC. In total your money will be in transit and doing nothing for 14 days. Is it efficient?

III) Don't forget, when you move from Pub-Mut or ASX or whatever; each time you move from a different platform you need to pay sales charge.

IV) This is what I call smart in theory / book but not so street-smart.

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Thanks for the reply. Appreciate it. Was thinking like this.

Go to bank, withdraw straight from ASX FP (instant redemption) into my account. Then use the money from the bank account to buy say ESISC. No charges on ASX FP part. They have no sales charge. Only kena charge 2% SC from FSM.

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post Feb 13 2016, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Feb 13 2016, 01:15 PM)
Before I answer you this; I want more data.

Tell which ASX FP fund specifically you want to use as the Fixed income portion? I ask because I know there are a few right? So which one you wanna use?

Next give me their historical dividend yield for the past ten years.

Oh! And one more thing, let's assume you sell your ASX FP and masuk say ESISC; then when the it is time to take profit from ESISC you want to buy back ASX FP. But you run a risk of not being able to buy because all units sold out already. Is that going to be a real or imaginary problem?

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Asw or asm. What difference does it make as they generally give the same returns of 6.x%/p.a?

7 years can?
For asw2020
2009 - 7.00
2010 - 6.30
2011 - 6.50
2012 - 6.60
2013 - 6.70
2014 - 6.60
2015 - 6.40

For ASM
2009 - 6.25
2010 - 6.30
2011 - 6.38
2012 - 6.80
2013 - 6.50
2014 - 6.60
2015 - 6.60

About not being able to buy back, yeah that is a real problem. However one can keep trying for 3 days straight. Sure masuk by 3rd day. Have never experienced really sold out. The amount I try is always ~rm5k and so far my success rate of buying is 100%.

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