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post Apr 17 2009, 07:24 PM

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Anyway professional qualification is better compared to masters if you want to do post graduate studies (in europe this is the main trend compared to Asia). It is best to seek out those that entitled you a title like England is "Chartered" while US is "Certitifed".

It depends whether you want to specialise more into your are of expertise or diversify into another branch of knowledge.
I don't know much about MFE but i know about the other 2.

MBA graduates hold the highest unemployment rate in MYS (more than hundred thousand are jobless). MBA is not meant for you to study & find a job. Its rather you find a job, the the boss may evaluate whether you are fit for managerial capacity & sent you accordingly. Or you wish to open up your own biz & wish to know the handling of biz more thoroughly. Deemed one of the least important professional qualifcation.

CFA on the contrary is highly rated as the exam is quite difficult & the lowest requirement is that only a degree holder can apply. Its a US course.
Common misconception is that due to financial crisis many are laid off especially in finance line. But that applied to disposable workers without any core skills or qualification. CFA holder are quite strong & quite recession proof. You can read it in internet or international papers about CFA credibility.

I have several relatives & friends who hold finance degree from Australia while some in singapore. It depends whether you want to remain in banking line as CFA can really help you. If you think finance should be more generalised why not coupled it with accounting ?

Other courses like CIMA, ACCA & CPA is quite recommended & also recession proof professions where job entrenchment is quite unheard of for those who hold these. My current classmate in professional qualification class holds a finance degree from australia & his reasoning of post graduate skills is to multi-skilled instead of specialisation.

It depends on what you want & plan to be in future. Anyway with degree alone you will find it quite hard to compete with those whom possessed professional qualification unless you really aced that interview or you knew somebody in the organisation

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post Apr 17 2009, 11:25 PM

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QUOTE(MyKy44 @ Apr 17 2009, 07:33 PM)
I'm doing electrical eng course currently. Been planning to study MBA after few years of experience working as engineer later on. Yea as u said, to go into managerial line smile.gif

That was my general idea until i read wat u wrote here for CFA though.. If take CFA, wat are the possible routes after that?
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Some of my uncles who has been engineer claimed they cannot diversify easily from their engineering post as engineering is quite specialised in nature compared to others. One remain to become chief engineer while the other sucessfully manage to enter into consultant capacity.
MBA is not bad but most people pursue it on their own without realising the benefit to their occupation. Normally the employer who will assess their successor then they will pick the staff to undergo MBA. Not the other way around. One of my post graduate studies includes a portion about MBA called business analysis. It all depends on your logical skill compared to learning.

They can ask like what is the key criteria to open up an european restaurant in exam ? If you learn MBA you can quote models & frameworks but without one you can still use your logic & experience to deduce. Thats why fresh graduate with MBA are not highly regarded as they lack experience.

CFA is considered master or some kind but definitely higher than degree. You won't hear much of CFA graduates in MYS since its a US qualification & there is not many centre in MYS teaching it. Many can boast themselves as financier (just have to take up a short stint license) but CFA is the another rung after it. However CFA recognition is higher in US compared to other countries.

But CFA requires heavy application of accounting in level 1 & 2 & financial advisory later on level 3. Although engineering + finance may be a good synergy but learning something new & completely different may be difficult. Professional qualification is not like degree / master they practice "exam-based approach". They only allow you to take exam but you need to find your own tuition provider & study on your own. Thats why these courses has less appeal to asian students compared to the more care-free westerners.
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post Sep 15 2009, 11:28 PM

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Management is not an "absolute" qualification.
The syllabus itself its pretty much about how you apply your knowledge based on what you learn. In my business paper, my lecturer (also a MBA professor) told me this. You can have zero knowledge about management but you can still get through it with your own reasoning & experience.
Most of it are real life case studies so practical experience can also be used as opposed to academic theory.
Most of the theory also comes from research by professors like Henry Fayol, Mintzberg, Kotler, Johnson & Scholes,.....

I think MBA is very relevant for those :
1) Already working
2) Already have a core / specialised degree (which will create a synergy with MBA)
3) Are being / going to be / have been promoted into managerial position

Fresh grads should never apply for MBA unless they are going to setup their own biz or their parent practically owns the company (family based biz).
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post Aug 17 2016, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(ezh1114 @ Aug 7 2016, 05:21 PM)
Hi all,

I'd need an advice here. Always wanting to enrol MBA programme for career progressions and also networking - preferably specialising in international business or finance.

Here's my particulars:
1. First degree - BSc (Hons) Acctg and Finance - Sunway Uni affiliated with Lancaster Uni (don't have good grade)
2. ACCA Affiliate - recently just obtained membership - ACCA member now
3. 3 years working experience in Big4
4. Have experience in research
5. Budget around RM30k self-funded
6. Future prospects: build own business by 30yo (current age 25)

I have two choices in my mind:
1. University Malaya MBA - part time (can self funding since fee around RM30k)
2. Sunway-Lancaster MBA - part time (I'm their ex-student however no discount due to bad results in degree - fees are costly to me)

Should I,
(A) Proceed with 1
(B) Proceed with 2, takes EPF 2/ bank loan/ PTPTN
© Do not start MBA so soon, but by when should be the right time?

Thanks for all your advice!
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If you want to switch career using your MBA to a better corporate life, any MBA that is not listed in FT100 will be very difficult. I don’t like to use this example but if your MBA does not cost up to RM250,000 it’s not a top-tier university. Please check link below:

http://rankings.ft.com/exportranking/globa...anking-2016/pdf

You see Insead there right? It’s in Singapore, their fees now is around EURO75,000. That’s equivalent to RM300,000 to RM400,000. Its already cheap as it’s a year program. If you go US like Harvard and Stanford its easily half a million ringgit. You will ask what for? Bcos unlike degree, only top MBA makes a difference to the employer. Who you think can afford those schools? It must be very rich entrepreneur or top C-level executives. They are there to find network …. and study along the way. These schools has special career fair that only opens to them like Google, Amazon, JP morgan,….
If you want to save your money doing MBA, I think it’s better you save money for your entrepreneurship. You don’t need MBA for that. A lot of people make mistake thinking MBA will change their life. You pay peanuts, you get peanuts.

Last useful tip to choose MBA. If the school does not require you to take GMAT, very highly likely that MBA is not a top-tier one and it won’t dramatically change your career. See link below if you are not sure what is GMAT
http://start.gmat.com/gmatprep_en?&utm_sou...7259022549,gmat

The top MBA school currently in Malaysia is the Asean business school (collaboration between MIT and Bank Negara). Cost should be around RM300k also.

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post Aug 17 2016, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(echobrainproject @ Aug 14 2016, 10:59 AM)
Hello everyone.
I went back about 10 pages and am still going through this thread.

I realized there are not many in Monash MBA. Anyone knows why?
Anyone knows what's roughly the age and experience of the participants there as it seems like it being a fulltime course might attract a younger (assumption is that younger people have less financial commitments) crowd.

Currently looking at MBA programs. I work offshore alot and am away for months, hence it's almost impossible for me to do it part time. If I were to do it full time, it would also mean quitting my job.

Looking at options as part time studies might take longer to complete and I cant afford being jobless for so long. Taking full time MBA looks like there isnt much options in KL too (Monash seems to have some reputation).

Hopefully can get in touch with anyone here who studied in Monash MBA program
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Monash is good but not cheap. Equivalent school will be like Manchester business school (sunway) or strachtlyde
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post Aug 18 2016, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(chamelion @ Aug 17 2016, 10:51 PM)
Sound like 250k bullshit. U dont need rm250k paper to change ur career.
Anyway stracylde is rm65k only...
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Ya, I fully agree with you and also think it’s BS. It’s basically a rich club formed by rich boys for the rick boys. They have very strong alumni which will ensure the MBA students join the exclusive club. Take Rajat Gupta case for example (ex Mickinsey head who was charged for insider trading).

Quote:
“Two decades earlier, it was Daniel who had hired Gupta straight out of Harvard B-School for McKinsey's New York office--after Gupta had been turned down because he didn't have any work experience. That's when one of Gupta's professors at Harvard, Walter Salmon, wrote to Daniel, then manager of the New York office, asking him to reconsider the decision. He did, and the rest, as they say, is history.”

Link: http://www.sree.net/stories/bt-gupta.html

MBA actually does not help a skilled worker become better. It’s a skilled worker using a power brand to certify himself as skilled worker. If he is an outstanding staff, getting a good MBA just makes him looks better.
I think the practical use of MBA is as follow:

Networking: Good MBA really provides the network. The theory is if someone willing to pay tons of money to be in there, that person will really invest his time to know people. And since, good schools filter out pretenders, quality network is aplenty. All depends on the student initiatives. Good schools normally requires at least > 5 years managerial experience with global standard companies, 2 endorsements from former students, good GMAT scores and solid undergraduate degress…. and willingness to pay.

Mobility: MBA is actually quite useful to switch career (not upgrading career). This was popular and now making a comeback especially for specialised positions. Think Oil and gas. After retrenchment of engineers due to global oil slump, some O&G offered MBA courses to their staffs to switch to another line within the company. Quite popular with banking also. For those thinking to switch country, take US. UK or ASIAN MBAs are very hard.

Knowledge: Very subjective as it’s the least professional (non-specialised). I like case studies and experience where I met executives from other companies. I find the knowledge sharing useful but the content you can roughly get it from Harvard business review.

Career progression: …. Ok (strictly my opinion), MYS bosses will felt that staffs taking MBA most likely will leave the organisation for better offers. Most bosses also don’t see the value add of MBA here so they won’t pay the premium. Unless the company wants to sponsor you to take no point you go take yourself. I only heard a genuine case of a known acquaintance where he was asked to take MBA with a top15 as he was geared to become a MD.

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post Aug 18 2016, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Aug 18 2016, 08:39 AM)
I think you have misunderstood him. He said 2 separate things:

1) Using a MBA programme from a Uni which is not in the FT Top 100 for a career change to a better corporate life (not just any career change), would be difficult.

2) Any MBA which doesn't cost up to RM250K is not a top tier university.

He didn't say you need a 250K MBA for a career change. The Lancaster business school (Sunway - Lancaster MBA here in Malaysia) is ranked 35 in the world and its not even 80K.

Top Tier universities / business schools are generally in the Top 10-15 in the world rankings.

Therefore, both his points above are 100% true and valid.
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Ha ha I feel you. Looking at the list, I think only the top20 will make any difference. Although most felt FT is the most accurate ranking but there are others like QS. QS Ranking understands the regional differences and importance of GMAT score. I think the most useful indicator is the alumni recommendation as Lancaster ranks 81 instead of 35 in FT. As perception / prestige are more important, I wonder why their students don’t recommend it that much.

Another thing about tie-in universities, it will always be inferior as compared to the actual full program. Taking course at Lancaster here and at Lancaster UK is very different especially the network quality. Although one might argue the local network is more relevant if one wants to stay in MYS. UK students are very very different compared to US students mentality. I heard Australia MBAs are very sought after in Australia but not elsewhere but can’t confirm on these.

And non-US MBA always a tougher sell as only US MNCs actually treasures MBAs.

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post Sep 26 2016, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(chamelion @ Sep 24 2016, 12:43 AM)
why kept saying having good mba will change your career?

Its you whom make the different. MBA is just a knowledge and a pcs of paper. It's the knowledge and experience from MBA that will help you to push further.
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I agree with your view that it’s just a piece of paper. If the user is unable to utilise the MBA, it’s just another piece of paper. That’s why top-tier universities have a very rigid filter test to root out only the best for the programme (if you can pay). In a way, they transformed those already good employees into the next level. My view is most of the students already have outstanding credentials; they just need a stamp of accreditation from these universities.

It’s much easier to say they have a certified Harvard MBA to a potential recruiter than spending 1 hour explaining their background. Most employers trust the university have a very good selection process. Take Insead SG for example, the filter system is as difficult as getting into McKinsey itself.

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QUOTE(xenotzu @ Sep 23 2016, 11:56 PM)
I would agree with the other posts that only the top ranking universities' MBA's would really make any substantial difference to your career.  You have to remember that from a time when only a few universities offered MBAs to a time now when almost every university has an MBA course, including online universities.  Basically, they are a dime a dozen.

Unless, you qualify from top ranked universities and the only one I know in South East Asia which in that category is INSEAD branch in Singapore, you will not see much difference in your career.  I know of a Vietnamese girl who worked as an IT personnel in Singapore for a number of years.  She then applied to University of Pennslyvania, Wharton to do their MBA (its ranked around top 4 in the world according to 2016 Financial Times ranking) and borrowed almost US$300,000 from Wharton university as a loan to do that MBA.  Luckily, she completed the course and is now looking for a job in USA.  She estimates that with a Wharton MBA, she should be able to pay off that loan in a few years.

So, try and see if you can go that route.  I believe that most of the top MBA universities in USA have special loan programmes for applicants who qualify for them (based on means test and academic ability).  She was from a lower middle class background in Vietnam and was self sponsored from her savings and loan from Wharton.  She did not want to do her MBA in Singapore because after checking all the facts out, she said that it was not worth spending thousands of dollars for an MBA from a university which is not ranked top 10 MBAs in the world.  Return from lesser ranked MBA universities did not justify the cost.
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I think that's why you will hear a lot of people wants to do MBA but will balk at the cost later. I agree it shouldn't cost that much but the university knows well that most can recover that amount. Its not that huge if you are considering from US/UK perspective. The currency does not really work into ASIAN students favor.

The local colleges from each country takes advantage by offering low fees "MBA" that really misled a lot of those that doesn't perform proper due diligence. Most realized mid-way or when they applied for jobs using the MBA.

US university has a policy on the minorities. They have a minimum quota and special privileges for minorities in the class (including MBA). International diversity also feeds into the ranking
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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Oct 20 2016, 02:01 AM)
since U are in touch with this Viet lady perhaps you can share the stats here.

Top uni usually takes a holistic approach... at times family background plays a roles plus donations! Bush is one example.
http://m.mentalfloss.com/article.php?id=28826

its not doable if someone did poorly for their Bach degree, Taxi driver and score 790 on GMAT.
doable yes but really depends on the portfolio you bring to the table.
Being a Wharton Grad just means can work in USA, not automatically granted work status to stay in USA.

There are alot of MBA grades from Top Uni. There are many doing part time MBA looking for the next Golden Door too.
another note MBA holders are not in the bucket of needed professionals in USA, ppl with Masters degree can apply for H1B under Masters advanced degree exemption but their OPT is just limited to 1 yr, unlike those with a Masters of Sci can obtain OPT extension of 18mths.

To get h1B still subjected to lottery system if too many ppl apply, if you have an offer without securing a VISA you are still going home.
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Maybe just to add on:

Top universities such as Harvard, Stanford, Wharton takes the MBA ranking very seriously. Those that they accepted have been screened thoroughly to ensure they are proper ambassador to their brand. To preserve the prestige, they take only the best (either established or with connection). Hence Fortune500 companies have no problem hiring them as they most likely qualified in the first place. In fact, these companies will probably conduct their recruitment in these universities first. The university will ensure that the students get into a good place after graduation to continue the alumni cycle.

Work may not be guaranteed there but still stands higher chance than any other country such as UK. UK is even more xenophobic. Although, I agree that US place more importance for automatic extension to those studying in advance engineering fields such as computer science and IT.
Speaking of taxi driver, both the Grab founder are Harvard MBA grad.

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QUOTE(saikit25 @ Oct 21 2016, 09:24 AM)
Thanks mate =D
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All sites have different methodology but FT is normally the go to to for MBA

Some sites such as FT and Economist don't differentiate by region

QS and Bloomberg recognize the the regional differences.

Generally, US MBA have higher recognition grade due to the employer's preference

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QUOTE(saikit25 @ Oct 21 2016, 11:55 AM)
Oh i see... US syllabus of MBA and its cert is better is it what u mean? Any recommendation for university in UK for that? I am still finding and best is not in London because of the higher living cost compare to other suburb.
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Many factors but US syllabus tends to be more general than the UK/European counterpart. Normally require 2 years in the campus. Furthermore, US MNCs have more MBA related career program for MBA graduates. It's harder to find job in UK rather than US with the MBA.

Another important reason to study MBA is due to the networking opportunities. This is why London Business School is preferred over Oxford Said for example. I don't think people in London willing to take 1 hour plus train journey to Oxford to study.

For recommendation, follow the ranking.
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QUOTE(chinaman888 @ Oct 27 2016, 12:11 AM)
Hey guys, I've been reading back the past 20 pages and have come to a summary that most ppl here perceive MBA as only for networking (correct me if I am wrong but i say this out of complete ignorance) and it is kinda pointless if its not the top tier MBA. I recently receive an offer letter to Monash malaysia MBA and already starting to have second thoughts on accepting the offer.
Anyways, can anybody from non top tier MBA grads tell/enlighten me whats are the job prospects like after MBA in Malaysia. Do you regret the decision? or was it a good investment?
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I think you may confuse the networking term. MBA network is actually the ability & willingness of the student to interact with others to gain a fruitful relationship. Better schools provide you better students to interact with. There is no automatic friendship especially if you do not invest your time in there.

The superior b-school has a very strong alumni program where most of the universities don’t. Google Rajat Gupta, Harvard and Mckinsey. Some of the top unis band together and create a “job network” that students have exclusive access to top companies such as google and amazon.

https://www.ivyexec.com/executive-insights/...-help-find-job/

You can ask whether Monash provide all these first?


 

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