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thpace
post Jan 9 2016, 11:31 PM

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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Jan 9 2016, 11:25 PM)
most likely as the round spinning motion indicates a rifled gun
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neh smoothbore also can do that with clever fin design.

if riffled gun, mean only the challenger 2 have it
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post Jan 9 2016, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Jan 9 2016, 11:26 PM)
Not necessary HE round must be that shape

For example, this is the general purpose HE round used for 125mm guns
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HE is different from HEAT. HE is solid-packed while HEAT is hollow charge. You can get away with a conventional-looking shell with HE load, but I think HEAT need to have specialized shape, especially the probe.

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HEAT rounds on left and HE round at right

Also, I am also coming into the belief that the shot is from an X-rod, a rocket-assisted guided tank shell. If you google "x-rod fired from tank" most of the images will be the same as the one I have posted.

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post Jan 9 2016, 11:35 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Jan 10 2016, 12:57 AM)
Definitely not not ATGM, more like HEAT round.

based on the fume extractor position and design, definitely not the M1 or the leopard 2. Both western does not fire ATGM from its barrel except russian

Look very close to challenger
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why not atgm?


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post Jan 9 2016, 11:40 PM

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French military orders more tactical transport helicopters

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PARIS, Jan. 8 (UPI) -- The French military is continuing to build its fleet of NH90-TTH helicopters, ordering six additional tactical transport aircraft.

The order to NH Industries from the French defense procurement agency DGA, bringing the number of Caiman model helicopters ordered to 74, of which 44 will have been delivered by 2019.


http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Security-.../7091452280515/
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post Jan 9 2016, 11:42 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jan 9 2016, 11:32 PM)
HE is different from HEAT. HE is solid-packed while HEAT is hollow charge. You can get away with a conventional-looking shell with HE load, but I think HEAT need to have specialized shape, especially the probe.

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HEAT rounds on left and HE round at right

Also, I am also coming into the belief that the shot is from an X-rod, a rocket-assisted guided tank shell. If you google "x-rod fired from tank" most of the images will be the same as the one I have posted.
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Got also, google search also can
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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Jan 9 2016, 11:35 PM)
why not atgm?
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because the last real ATGM fired from a tank gun of western origin is the MGM-51 Shillelagh on the M551 Sheridan

the rest now are from 125mm gun which is again from eastern block (russion origin)
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post Jan 9 2016, 11:46 PM

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QUOTE(BorneoAlliance @ Jan 9 2016, 11:40 PM)
French military orders more tactical transport helicopters

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http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Security-.../7091452280515/
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goes to wonder why the EC725 was not chosen when both is also marketed as tactical transport heli
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post Jan 9 2016, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Jan 9 2016, 11:35 PM)
why not atgm?
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cuz it looks like a pure projectile round, i dun see any way its "guided" or its even a "missile"

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post Jan 9 2016, 11:59 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Jan 9 2016, 11:42 PM)
Got also, google search also can
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Bizarrely, this looks like an anti-tank gun shell designed to be fired from a rifled gun (note no stabilizing fins). If this shell is indeed a HEAT round then it will be a poor one indeed. For full effect of HEAT penetration to take place, the round can't be used with a rifled gun. The spinning movement of the shell rifling will deform the plasma jet created when the warhead detonates and the plasma cannot concentrate its jet stream to punch into armor effectively . That's why you always see HEAT rounds with stabilizing fins, so they don't need the spinning movement of the rifling to generate accuracy.
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HEAT warheads are less effective if spinning, and grow ever less effective with faster spin. This became a challenge for weapon designers: for a long time, spinning a shell was the most standard method to obtain good accuracy, as with any rifled gun. However, the centrifugal force of a spinning shell disperses the charge jet. Thus, most hollow charge projectiles are fin-stabilized and not spin-stabilized.[7] Such rounds could be fired from smoothbore barrels, losing some accuracy.


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post Jan 10 2016, 12:11 AM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Jan 9 2016, 11:46 PM)
goes to wonder why the EC725 was not chosen when both is also marketed as tactical transport heli
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French ran into problems with EC725 in desert, cannot operate in temp >40 degrees, sand filter ineffective, high engine maintenance compared to NH90.
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jan 9 2016, 08:50 PM)
China officially commissions second 10,000 ton Coast Guard patrol vessel

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obviously for long range patrol, obviously for south china sea
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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Jan 10 2016, 12:11 AM)
French ran into problems with EC725 in desert, cannot operate in temp >40 degrees, sand filter ineffective, high engine maintenance compared to NH90.
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Tat issue is minor for a heli. Both nh90 and ec725 was never designed to be desert operated. Nh90 also got issue in desert deployment as noted

For deploymen purposet.. well a ramp is always better. Do note that the nh90 was close to be chosen if not for some last minute changes for non ramp heli to participate for our cssr requirements
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post Jan 10 2016, 12:48 AM

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[quote=MilitaryMadness,Jan 9 2016, 11:59 PM]
Bizarrely, this looks like an anti-tank gun shell designed to be fired from a rifled gun (note no stabilizing fins). If this shell is indeed a HEAT round then it will be a poor one indeed. For full effect of HEAT penetration to take place, the round can't be used with a rifled gun. The spinning movement of the shell rifling will deform the plasma jet created when the warhead detonates and the plasma cannot concentrate its jet stream to punch into armor effectively . That's why you always see HEAT rounds with stabilizing fins, so they don't need the spinning movement of the rifling to generate accuracy.
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Why not, british know riffled reduce range but still go for it
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post Jan 10 2016, 12:50 AM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Jan 10 2016, 12:46 AM)
Tat issue is minor for a heli. Both nh90 and ec725 was never designed to be desert operated. Nh90 also got issue in desert deployment as noted 

For deploymen purposet.. well a ramp is always better. Do note that the nh90 was close to be chosen if not for some last minute changes for non ramp heli to participate for our cssr requirements
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eh I dunno just what I've read online. Somehow or other NH90 more tahan. So EC725 switch to CSAR and medevac only, spec ops use NH90... except for missions which need air-to-air refuel cause only EC725 can do that.
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post Jan 10 2016, 01:00 AM

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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Jan 10 2016, 12:50 AM)
eh I dunno just what I've read online. Somehow or other NH90 more tahan. So EC725 switch to CSAR and medevac only, spec ops use NH90... except for missions which need air-to-air refuel cause only EC725 can do that.
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Aiyo.. troop deplyoment purpose. A ramp entrance win anytime against door. Something the ec725 does not have is a ramp

Bo point talking armor. Both heli can be damaged even with a rpg7
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post Jan 10 2016, 01:15 AM

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A big change is coming to the Marine Corps

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Navy official told the Marine Times that only titles where the word “man” appears as a separate word will be changed. Therefore, titles like “infantryman” and “rifleman” will go unchanged.

Whereas, “reconnaissance man” or “field artillery sensor support man” will simply have the word “man” removed.


http://www.businessinsider.my/a-major-chan...CPO8jbsUrreP.97
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post Jan 10 2016, 01:29 AM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Jan 10 2016, 12:46 AM)
Tat issue is minor for a heli. Both nh90 and ec725 was never designed to be desert operated. Nh90 also got issue in desert deployment as noted 
For deploymen purposet.. well a ramp is always better. Do note that the nh90 was close to be chosen if not for some last minute changes for non ramp heli to participate for our cssr requirements
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at 2009 if not wrong Nh90 not in our helicopter tender, Eurocopter propose EC725, other is S92, AW101,Mh-17.
NH90 no issue now in desert operation, NH90 use alot in Afghanistan and mali as CSAR。

QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Jan 10 2016, 12:50 AM)
eh I dunno just what I've read online. Somehow or other NH90 more tahan. So EC725 switch to CSAR and medevac only, spec ops use NH90... except for missions which need air-to-air refuel cause only EC725 can do that.
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Nh90 design is for Navy and best helicopter for navy due to balancing in term size, space & technology。 later Army version as transportation/SCAR helicopter.
Nh90 have very long range fly so not really need refuel. it can fly 900km with 2.5 tons load. 1600km ferry range with external fuel tank.
Special Ops use EC725 more suitable, it design more to Air-force and Ops team use.

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post Jan 10 2016, 01:56 AM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Jan 10 2016, 01:29 AM)
at 2009 if not wrong Nh90 not in our helicopter tender, Eurocopter propose EC725, other is S92, AW101,Mh-17.
NH90 no issue now in desert operation, NH90 use alot in Afghanistan and mali as CSAR。
Nh90 design is for Navy and best helicopter for navy due to balancing in term size, space & technology。  later Army version as transportation/SCAR helicopter.
Nh90 have very long range fly so not really need refuel.  it can fly 900km with 2.5 tons load. 1600km ferry range with external fuel tank.
Special Ops use EC725 more suitable, it design more to Air-force and Ops team use.
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Indeed, EC725 was for spec ops use but due to aforementioned problems French spec ops switching back to NH90... except EC725 has aerial refuel capability so Frenchies kinda doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

So now French mainly use EC725 for CSAR which is actually 1 of its main role, Germany and we also use it for CSAR

QUOTE(thpace @ Jan 10 2016, 01:00 AM)
Aiyo.. troop deplyoment purpose. A ramp entrance win anytime against door. Something the ec725 does not have is a ramp

Bo point talking armor. Both heli can be damaged even with a rpg7
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More like resistance towards bullets and splinters eg RPG frag warhead. I'm sure its not for nothing EC725 invest 1 whole ton in armor and missile avoidance systems.

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post Jan 10 2016, 02:47 AM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Jan 9 2016, 11:42 PM)
Got also, google search also can
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because the last real ATGM fired from a tank gun of western origin is the MGM-51 Shillelagh on the M551 Sheridan

the rest now are from 125mm gun which is again from eastern block (russion origin)
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LAHAT has multiple version;105mm, 120mm and 125mm
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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Jan 9 2016, 10:02 PM)
shakehead.gif go peenoise, dont come near us doh.gif
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whats with the Dupe?
apa jadi ngan akaun main ko?
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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Jan 10 2016, 01:50 AM)
cuz it looks like a pure projectile round, i dun see any way its "guided" or its even a "missile"

ur alaskanbunny main account kena permaban ka?  laugh.gif
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i am fat & fluffy la...

QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jan 10 2016, 05:00 AM)
whats with the Dupe?
apa jadi ngan akaun main ko?
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dupe? its fat & fluffy.... bottom line dont understand... only english please laugh.gif

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