so many ft doing jobs for saf.. haha
then whats the point of nsboys being the lowest tier kuli again?

A usual excuse is for the footsoldiers to be local (or at least citizens) as to guarantee their loyalty to the state. But if so many comprehensive support duties are done by contracted foreigners, it would be somewhat of a compromise to the overall loyalty of the armed forces, at least in support services.

In theory, if a war breaks out, all the foreigners could abandon their jobs, leaving the SAF up a creek without a boat and a paddle. Armed forces is one of the jobs that are definititely SHOULD NOT be outsourced to.

This post has been edited by MilitaryMadness: Jan 13 2016, 12:45 PM

those are non core jobs that are not critical during peacetime or even during wartime.. in a resource scarce nation, it is best to be prudent with both manpower and $$$... all able handed manpower will be given priority to combat roles, the rest support.. those that non-constructive will be outsourced to the most worthy supplier

in some countries where employment is scarce or where unemployed is high.. anything goes under the uniform unit... including cleaning of the latrine, cooking, making tea, sweeping floor, or sheer sitting around.. that's why numbers of personnel dont show true str of one's armed forces...

so far for saf, foreigners have been ntg but good, it was foreigners that trained the initial batch, foreigners that are still training the current batch and foreigners that support the other pillars of the total defense strategy.. in fact it was foreigners that defended sg during ww2... unlike here where you have illegals with local papers being in the uniform unit betraying the country and yet more are welcomed in

in theory, but theory is proven wrong time and time again by history.. anyway, the debate can continue on without ending because its all speculation.. unless your economy is huge enough to be self sustainable which only a hand full in the world managed it, there's no way a country can defend itself without foreign/foreigners help...

8 Malaysian children being groomed as ISIS fighters




KUALA LUMPUR • Eight Malaysian children are being groomed as fighters for the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) terror group, according to a senior Malaysian policeman.

He said this yesterday in Kuala Lumpur, after a 16-year-old youth clad in black ISIS attire held a woman at knife-point at a supermarket in Kedah on Monday.

Earlier, there were reports that two more Malaysian suicide bombers fighting for ISIS were killed in Syria and Iraq recently, making it a total of four Malay men who have blown themselves up in the Middle East since 2014.

Speaking about the child soldiers, Malaysia's Special Branch Commissioner Mohamad Fuzi Harun said at a police news conference that the children were being trained at ISIS camps in Syria and Iraq.

"It is not known where they are being placed right now. Maybe some are in Syria and some are in Iraq. These children were brought into the war-torn countries by their parents, who are raising them to be ISIS fighters," he said.

Datuk Seri Mohamad Fuzi said there are 47 Malaysian ISIS members in Syria and Iraq currently, out of whom 12 are women. He said there were as many as 55 people from Malaysia who went to join ISIS recently, but eight have either returned to the country, been arrested or been charged in court.

Police counter-terrorism chief Ayob Khan Mydin Pitchay said on Monday that based on intelligence, 26-year-old Mohd Amirul Ahmad Rahim detonated explosives that were strapped to his body and in his car in Raqqa, Syria, on Dec 29, killing 21 people. Another incident involved Mohamad Syazwan Mohd Salim, 31, who took part in a series of suicide bombings in Tikrit, Iraq, on Jan 3 which killed 12 policemen.

The duo's deaths brought the total number of Malaysians who have died in the last 18 months fighting for ISIS to 17.

Police chief Khalid Abu Bakar, however, said yesterday that police were waiting for official confirmation on whether the two Malaysians were responsible for the suicide attacks.

At the press conference yesterday, Datuk Seri Mohamad Fuzi said the families of several Malaysian ISIS members had sought the help of police to "lure" the militants back to the country. "But they have refused to come back. Their ultimate goal is to fight and die as martyrs," he said.

Meanwhile, in the Kedah town of Sungei Petani, a 16-year-old youth held a woman at knife-point at a supermarket on Monday evening.

Inspector-General of Police Khalid said the teen was arrested minutes later.

"Investigations revealed that he was influenced by the ISIS movement through social media and wanted to prove that he was capable of such acts by threatening the woman," Mr Khalid said.

The police chief added: "We need to identify these people. Investigations revealed that he had no intention of hurting the woman but wanted to show that he is a member and that he is able to do what is requested by the people (ISIS)."

THE STAR/ASIA NEWS NETWORK

wanna be prudent with manpower and $$$ but still use and pay for foreign outsource? thats a pretty ironic statement
theres plenty nsboys and many more reservist that can do those jobs ESPECIALLY in peacetime and they only cost next to nothing

This post has been edited by DDG_Ross: Jan 13 2016, 01:25 PM

well... foreigners are cheaper... just like msia, plenty of unemployed but why still bring in foreigners?

hahaha, then why dont get them to build hdb flats, roads and even clean the walkways, heck even better, get the females to do ns and ask all to work as free labour... dude, it is not just about cost... it is about meeting the country's defense objective in the most efficient manner... of course it is hard to understand but oh well...

cheaper to hire foreigner than nsboys? whatever u say mate

why not? the atm have been doing that for years under the nbos programme and it saves plenty of money and at least them army got something to do beside their usual training and deployment

get female to join ns too, them so smug got 2 year headstart in college/uni edu compared to their male counterpart

The issue of National defense is hardly comparable in importance to the cleanliness of my office.

just because ns boys are paid lower doesnt mean it comes without a cost to the nation... no country if able would want to implement conscription

good job to atm... *two thumbs up*

oh well... save your sarcasm..

good for you...

Indonesian Navy first Sigma PKR 10514 is set to be launch on January 18th 2016. Photo credit to Choirudin z.



This post has been edited by azriel: Jan 13 2016, 03:09 PM

Navy fighter pilot ejects safely as plane crashes in Nevada





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RMAF second A400M.

BERNAMA twitter photo.

Nine British soldiers die in training every year: Service personnel have been shot during mock battles, crushed by armoured vehicles and drowned during river crossings







http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-33...-crossings.html

What is next in northern Latakia?



The Syrian Arab Army’s 103rd Brigade of the Republican Guard – backed by the Syrian Social Nationalist Party (SSNP), the National Defense Forces (NDF), Liwaa Suqour Al-Sahra (Desert Hawks Brigade), Muqawama Souri (Syrian Resistance), and Liwaa Assadallah Al-Ghaliboun (Iraqi paramilitary) – have imposed full control over the strategic town of Salma after a short battle with the Syrian Al-Qaeda group “Jabhat Al-Nusra” and the Free Syrian Army (FSA) in Jabal Al-Akrad (Kurdish Mountains) on Tuesday.

With this victory in Salma, the Syrian Armed Forces have taken control of the highest point in Jabal Al-Akrad, making their march to the Idlib Governorate relatively easy in comparison to their previous attempts to push towards the imperative city of Jisr Al-Shughour.

The town of Salma has been captured by the Syrian Armed Forces, but there is still a lot of fighting left to go; especially, in Jabal Al-Akrad.

In the coming days, the Syrian Armed Forces will focus on three different axes; all of which have two important objectives: seal the Turkish border with the Latakia Governorate and push east towards Idlib.

The first attack will likely be concentrated on the rebel stronghold of Al-Rabiyah, where the Free Syrian Army’s “1st Coastal Brigade” is headquartered. The town is already under attack from afar, but the Syrian Armed Forces have yet to make a major push.

The second attack will be conducted at two different flanks: a) the Syrian Armed Forces will capture the small village of Al-Kawm and b) they will push north towards the town of Kinsibba. Kinsibba is similar to Salma in the sense that they’re both located atop of hills and heavily fortified by the Islamists; its capture will open the route to the final border-crossing in the Latakia Governorate.

The final attack will come at the far eastern point, where the Syrian Armed Forces will attempt to recapture the strategic town of Al-Sirmaniyah in order to push north towards Jisr Al-Shughour.

http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/what-i...rthern-latakia/

More unreported cases in Malaysia . I was a victim during recruit , hospitalised coz lack of medical attention . RSAT did nothing other than giving me Paracetamols.

This post has been edited by QD_buyer: Jan 13 2016, 05:42 PM

US aircraft carrier made 'provocative' maneuvers in Gulf after Iran detained US sailors - Tehran





https://www.rt.com/news/328716-us-maneuvers-gulf-arrest/

You look pretty healthy for a dead guy.

Is it me, or is it kind of to be expected? 9 a year isn't bad. Malaysia loses twice that a day in road accidents.

Here's Your Go-To Graphic To Understand The U.S. Army's Massive Aircraft Inventory





http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/heres-you...ys-m-1752205463

Forgotten Weapons: Japan's WWII Paratrooping Rifle Was Not the Best Idea





http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/w...trooping-rifle/