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post Dec 6 2015, 01:03 PM, updated 11y ago

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Hang Tuah Dalam Catatan Da Vinci


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Laporan Harian Metro tentang kajian daripada Dr Hashim Musa dan juga Dr Rohaidah Kamaruddin, tentang bagaimana pertemuan hebat Hang Tuah dan Da Vinci.


Bukan mitos!



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Kuala Lumpur : Penemuan dua penyelidik Universiti Putra Malaysia (UPM) mengenai bukti terkini kewujudan Laksamana Hang Tuah diharap dapat menafikan pandangan sesetengah pakar sejarah yang mengatakan kononnya kisah pahlawan legenda Melayu itu mitos.

Pengerusi Institut Kajian Sejarah dan Patriotisme Malaysia (IKSEP) Prof (Adj) Datuk Dr Mohd Jamil Mukmin berkata, selama ini kewujudan Hang Tuah bersandarkan kepada beberapa nukilan tempatan, antaranya Hikayat Hang Tuah dan Sulalatus Salatin (Sejarah Melayu).

“ Walaupun penemuan fakta terbaru itu belum dapat disahkan kerana penyelidik terbabit perlu bertemu pakar sejarah serta meneliti manuskrip lama di Sepanyol dan Portugal, sekurang-kurangnya kita ada penemuan terkini mengatakan Hang Tuah wujud sekali gus menolak pandangan mereka yang mengatakan kisahnya mitos.

“ Memang kita tidak boleh nafikan ada ahli sejarah Malaysia yang berpandangan Hang Tuah hanya mitos, mungkin disebabkan terlalu banyak tokok tambah seperti mempunyai kesaktian dan hidup sehingga ke hari ini, ” katanya.

Beliau mengulas laporan muka depan Harian Metro semalam mengenai fakta yang tercatat di dalam buku Notes of Leonardo da Vinci mengenai pertemuan antara pelukis potret Mona Lisa, Leonardo da Vinci dan Hang Tuah di Eropah antara 1503 hingga 1506 sekali gus membuktikan pahlawan legenda Melayu itu benar-benar wujud.

Dalam catatan itu, da Vinci menulis ‘saya melukis kenderaan selepas berjumpa dengan orang kaya Melaka’ dan perkataan selepas itu tidak jelas sama ada disebut laksamana atau Hang Tuah.

Penemuan terbaru itu didedahkan Pensyarah Kanan Jabatan Bahasa Melayu, Fakulti Bahasa Moden dan Komunikasi UPM Dr Rohaidah Kamaruddin dan Profesor Linguistik Melayu dari fakulti sama Prof Emeritus Dr Hashim Musa.

Mengulas lanjut, Dr Mohd Jamil berkata, beliau menghargai sumbangan kedua-dua pensyarah berkenaan dalam kajian pahlawan Melayu itu sehingga menghasilkan buku Hang Tuah : Catatan Okinawa yang menceritakan mengenai kewujudan laksamana tersohor itu ketika zaman kegemilangan Empayar Melaka.




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‘saya melukis kenderaan selepas berjumpa dengan orang kaya Melaka’ dan perkataan selepas itu tidak jelas sama ada disebut laksamana atau Hang Tuah.

Laksamana and Hang Tuah words is similar?? hmm.gif
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Kek...orang kaya Melaka can mean alot of things...isnt it?? tht is very vague..
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QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Dec 6 2015, 01:03 PM)
Hang Tuah Dalam Catatan Da Vinci
Walaupun penemuan fakta terbaru itu belum dapat disahkan kerana penyelidik terbabit perlu bertemu pakar sejarah serta meneliti manuskrip lama di Sepanyol dan Portugal, sekurang-kurangnya kita ada penemuan terkini mengatakan Hang Tuah wujud sekali gus menolak pandangan mereka yang mengatakan kisahnya mitos.


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WTF, aren't academicians supposed to gather enough proof and confirm their discovery first instead of sounding the alarms when they found just bits and pieces of information??

I mean, now they can tok kok sing song but later when it is proven otherwise how? menyepi sampai ke mati?
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Did Hang Tuah meet Leonardo da Vinci ?


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By MOHD NASIF BADRUDDIN - 5 December 2015 @ 5:29 PM

KUALA LUMPUR : Could famed Renaissance painter and polymath Leonardo da Vinci have met legendary Malay warrior Hang Tuah between 1503 and 1506 ? This was the tantalising possibility unearthed by researchers from The Notebooks of Leonardo da Vinci, a compilation the Italian master’s writings and sketches.

Local researchers are now poring over manuscripts, and may soon seek the help of their European counterparts to ascertain the identity of a Malaccan noble who da Vinci wrote about. In the notes, da Vinci wrote, “ I sketched a vehicle after meeting a Malaccan noble ”. However, the word after that was unclear. There is a possibility that they met, as both men lived during the same era — da Vinci and Hang Tuah were born in 1452 and 1431 respectively. The exact time and place of the encounter between da Vinci and Hang Tuah is still uncertain, but both men were at the height of their reputations.

Da Vinci was a noted painter and highly regarded as a military engineer, while Hang Tuah was sent by the Sultan of Malacca on several overseas missions, including Turkey.

This finding was revealed by Dr Rohaidah Kamaruddin, a senior lecturer at the Malay Language Department, Modern Language and Communications Faculty, University Putra Malaysia. She presented her research at the “ Wacana Manuskrip Melayu, Hang Tuah : Daripada Mitos Kepada Fakta Sejarah ” event at Wisma Sejarah here recently.

UPM’s professor of Malay Linguistics, Prof Emeritus Dr Hashim Musa also presented a paper at the event. Dr Rohaidah said da Vinci’s notes indicated that Hang Tuah may have existed. She said this was because Hang Tuah was mentioned by a foreign writer, and not in accounts in local books Hikayat Hang Tuah and Sulalatus Salatin (Malay Annals). Dr Rohaidah said she had tried to verify the contents of the two historical books through material available overseas.

She said such material often contained dates of important events, unlike olden Malay books that placed no importance on dates, but only on what had transpired.

However, she said the facts contained in the latest discovery could not yet be ascertained, and that she needed to conduct further research, as well as meeting historians to pore over old manuscripts in Spain or Portugal. Dr Rohaidah said she was told by a reliable source that Hang Tuah was mentioned by da Vinci, indicating that Hang Tuah was a Malacca Sultanate diplomat sent to various countries. Meanwhile, Hashim said there were 22 books by scholars that described Hang Tuah as intelligent, masculine and brave, besides being able to converse in several languages.

“ A personal note by the Portuguese conqueror Afonso de Albuquerque mentioned that during the conquest of Malacca in 1511, an elderly 80-year-old man with great reputation and knowledge emigrated to Temasik (now Singapore) after the fall of Malacca, ” he said.

Both UPM lecturers co-authored a book, Hang Tuah : Catatan Okinawa that posits the existence of Hang Tuah through research done in Okinawa, Japan, with the help of the Japanese Education Ministry.

The discovery of a curved kris without its hilt and sheath at the Enkakuji Shuriji temple, located near the Shuriji castle, is solid evidence of the good relations between Malacca and Japan in the past. The kris, which has nine “ waves ” or curves, is usually presented by the Malacca Sultanate to other governments, while blades with fewer curves are gifted to individuals.

The kris, which has nine “ waves ” or curves, is usually presented by the Malacca Sultanate to other governments, while blades with fewer curves are gifted to individuals. The discovery of a letter sent by Hang Tuah to the emperor of the Ryukyu Kingdom between 1480 and 1481 is also evidence of good relations between the Malacca Sultanate and Japan.

Diplomatic relations between the Malacca Sultanate and the Ryukyu Kingdom (in modern-day Okinawa) was clearly stated in the “Rekidai Hoan”, a historical document verified by scholars. The document also described Hang Tuah as a person who commanded great influence internationally, as well as a Malaccan diplomat who travelled to India, Turkey and Pattani.



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hang tuah malay warrior? next is hang lipo is malay princess?

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Hang tuah must hv been da first person to fly, using da vincci machine to Europe to meet him....hahaha
(Wrights r slowpoke by 500yrs)

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if the paper didn't even mention the laksamana nor hang tuah, how can the prof said hang tuah met da vinci?

just because u a prof doesn't mean can assume anything as u like leh
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Hang Tuah time travelled is that true?
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Leonardo da vinci is believed to be gay. I wonder what was he doing with Ang Too Ahhhh.
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Hang Tuah is the son of Hang Mahmud and Dang Merduwati. how you going to China-nise his parent name?
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If true oso so what? Wargh kahkahkah
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Hang Tuah bkn mitos... just that he's a cainis Muslim... rolleyes.gif
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that mean hang tuah being filthy rich with laksamana title?

songlap zaman ber zaman?
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QUOTE(TheHitman47 @ Dec 6 2015, 01:11 PM)
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QUOTE(Special Agent @ Dec 6 2015, 01:36 PM)
hang tuah is cina is true story yo,..

he used to be call "ang Tua" (in hokkien means growing red),.. on his voyage to melaka via south china sea,.. he fought and kill the magical sea dragon with his sword,.. at the end of the battle, his sword was bengkang bengkok bitten by the dragon and soak with magical dragon blood and glow like the sun,.. hence he call his new magical sword "Ah meng" (mean glow bright in chinese),.. a sailor from india witness this and offer him his precious silk "sari" to wrap the "ah meng" sword,..

when he reach melaka and meet with sultan mansur shah,.. he presented his magical sword,.. the sultan thereforth call it "Taming Sari"..
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yeh sounds believable, at least on par with the current storyline in the credibility sector.
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QUOTE(arif85124 @ Dec 6 2015, 01:46 PM)
that mean hang tuah being filthy rich with laksamana title?

songlap zaman ber zaman?
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From history book which I studied zaman I kecik2 dahulu, laksamana = IGP in today context. If want say rich, bendaraha should come first.
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besides being able to converse in several languages.



Product of what school? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(MrWrath @ Dec 6 2015, 01:34 PM)
Hang Tuah is the son of Hang Mahmud and Dang Merduwati. how you going to China-nise his parent name?
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Hang mahmud and dang merduwati jugak orang cina rasanya.
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QUOTE(Vape On @ Dec 6 2015, 01:55 PM)
Hang mahmud and dang merduwati jugak orang cina rasanya.
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if that is the case the Afonso de Albuquerque is also chinese. His true chinese name is Ah Foong Soh
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QUOTE(Human10 @ Dec 6 2015, 01:50 PM)
From history book which I studied zaman I kecik2 dahulu, laksamana = IGP in today context. If want say rich, bendaraha should come first.
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How u know IGP not rich? brows.gif
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QUOTE(zakarliar @ Dec 6 2015, 02:08 PM)
How u know IGP not rich? brows.gif
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But I stand koreked, bendara is richer. icon_idea.gif

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QUOTE(Human10 @ Dec 6 2015, 01:50 PM)
From history book which I studied zaman I kecik2 dahulu, laksamana = IGP in today context. If want say rich, bendaraha should come first.
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Eh I tot temenggung = IGP. Laksamana = navy no?

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In before, Hang Tuah is one of the Templar Knight.
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I also got a feeling that Proton Saga was actually designed by Da Vinci
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QUOTE(gladfly @ Dec 6 2015, 02:13 PM)
Eh I tot temenggung = IGP.  Laksamana = navy no?
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syok sendiri punya pengkaji

kasih tunjuk la nota davinci tu

kenapa x kaji kitab2 or dokumen lama dari rantau asia tenggara

sure ada catitan kalo bukan mitos

cari kat perpustakaan lama di istana2 di seluruh rantau
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QUOTE(MrWrath @ Dec 6 2015, 01:34 PM)
Hang Tuah is the son of Hang Mahmud and Dang Merduwati. how you going to China-nise his parent name?
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Hang tuah is indon
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hang too ah orang cina
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QUOTE(Hexism @ Dec 6 2015, 01:49 PM)
yeh sounds believable, at least on par with the current storyline in the credibility sector.
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this prof story also true story,.. he did meet with Da vinci,.. in fact mona lisa was drawn by hang tuah,.. on his 1st minang the puteri gunung ledang for sultan mansur shah,.. he deeply fall in love with the princess,.. he draw the puteri smile in toilet while fapping,.. meanwhile the sultan busy preparing the hati nyamuk, one time saw the picture and ask what's that,.. he simply said just some doodle and name it "mana kesah"..

but how he gone to italy ??.. well, remember his 2nd minang envoy to gunung ledang ??.. he and the princess then disappear, ending his story in Sejarah melayu,.. ??.. he actually maksiat with puteri gunung ledang, hence he plan his escape with the help of a portugist young merchant he met at the harbor,.." Alfonso di Abu Kaki"... alfonso ferry both of them and his drawing "mana kesah" to italy,.. for pocket money living there he sold it to Da Vinci,.. but da vinci claim as his masterpiece,.. this had been disputed by many expert,..

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QUOTE(BlueButtBaboon @ Dec 6 2015, 02:19 PM)
Hang tuah is indon
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some people say he is Hongkongese.

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QUOTE(McD_burger @ Dec 6 2015, 01:15 PM)
hang tuah is china muslim

minister put him as malay. now buku sejarah ban his story

now this shit again
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QUOTE(McD_burger @ Dec 6 2015, 01:15 PM)
hang tuah is china muslim

minister put him as malay. now buku sejarah ban his story

now this shit again
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last time heard that mahathir asked researcher to find the origin of hang tuah,
then heard rumor he found something not suitable for malaysia, he covered up.
so this is the story behind hang tuah banned ?
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Aww, several years too late. Else could have Melaka DLC for Assassin's Creed I-III.
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Whats so great about hang tuah anyway?
Hes just a legendary penjilat

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awaiting for the day indons coming in and claim hang tuah is one of them!
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Genghis Khan is also Meleis
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Wait Adam n Hawa are Meleis

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Enuf of this shit
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The secret is out. actually hang tuah IS Da Vinci. And since Hang Tuah= Orang Cina, D Vinci = Orang Cina
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QUOTE(McD_burger @ Dec 6 2015, 01:15 PM)
hang tuah is china muslim

minister put him as malay. now buku sejarah ban his story

now this shit again
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from which source?
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QUOTE(NoctisLucis @ Dec 6 2015, 03:54 PM)
The secret is out. actually hang tuah IS Da Vinci. And since Hang Tuah= Orang Cina, D Vinci = Orang Cina
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Da Vinci == Da Wen Zi

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kesian no representative to study own's root ending up with silly assumptions, unfactual, mocking and blundering 24/7.

"Empty can" always sounds the loudest no wonder a perfect way to describe such group.

The butthurt of theirs is so true
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QUOTE(nottydaddy @ Dec 6 2015, 04:57 PM)
Im offended by how you guys make fun of such important discovery just because you hv prejudice towards what malay warriors were capable of

Please bear in mind that it is not a myth that hang tuah was credited with the legendary phrase "Takkan Melayu hilang di dunia"

To proclaim such a bold statement is beyond his time. Think about it, what kind of psyche and state of mind would a person possess to be able to confidently declare this?

He must be either insane, or truly a master who was at the pinnacle of his life.

Have u heard any samurai who said "Japanese wont perish from the earth"?
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No samurai said that. Samurai = master. So Hang Tuah = insane? I kenot brain your logick...

Lol some butthurt anjing went and report all the post in this thread I think... truly is like Sejarah Melayu said; either ikut Jebat rebel amuk everyone, or Tuah slave jilat sampai max rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(McD_burger @ Dec 6 2015, 05:21 PM)
no idea, hear got people go do research and hang tuah does exist with hang li po
both coming frcom china with captain china muslim
try go search buku sejarah  brows.gif
source from teacher
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hang tuah actual name is chinese name? that study was haox u can google before stick it up to ur ass drool.gif drool.gif
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kepala Hang Ko Rang.

balik kerja, kompeni bukan bayak gajik baca mitos.
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QUOTE(yuuhi @ Dec 6 2015, 01:11 PM)
WTF, aren't academicians supposed to gather enough proof and confirm their discovery first instead of sounding the alarms when they found just bits and pieces of information??

I mean, now they can tok kok sing song but later when it is proven otherwise how? menyepi sampai ke mati?
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You forget this is Malaysian uni, where a anti-hysteria kit that fights "evil spirits" is looked at with academic and scientific lenses are some grand invention.
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QUOTE(taohannan @ Dec 7 2015, 10:37 AM)
hang tuah actual name is chinese name? that study was haox u can google before stick it up to ur ass  drool.gif  drool.gif
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Hang Name Meaning

Chinese : a comparatively rare surname in China, of later origin than most of the more common surnames. It was not until the Song dynasty (960–1279) that the current form of the character for the name became established, appearing in Hunan province after branching from a surname written with a similar character.Laotian or Cambodian: unexplained.South German and Swiss German: variant of Hank, a pet form of Johann or Heinrich.


Nampak?
loon90
post Dec 7 2015, 03:05 PM

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How can they even proof that they exist?
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post Dec 7 2015, 03:07 PM

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Laksa Hang Mana? Tu ah?
unknown warrior
post Dec 7 2015, 03:08 PM

/k/ Legend
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I didn't know heckline weed has gone outside of /k/.


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post Dec 7 2015, 03:15 PM

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Walaupun penemuan fakta terbaru itu belum dapat disahkan


lol ..typical metroll news
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post Dec 7 2015, 04:51 PM

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Tered berpotensi...Finally something worthy of popcorn today...
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QUOTE(gsem984 @ Dec 6 2015, 02:16 PM)
I also got a feeling that Proton Saga was actually designed by Da Vinci
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