Good day everyone, I just wanna share something with you guys and perhaps get some response from other users besides me. Currently I am using:



Advance Modules(R) PC3200 400MHz DDR (512MB*2)



So the story goes like this. Before this, those who have followed up with my posts knows that I had this problem with my Kingston HyperX because my crapped up ASUS motherboard refused to allow me to set the command rate to 1T timing. So since I had no other option, I had decided to sell it off. Then I bought myself some RAMS from a garage sale from one of the forumers here. He sold me:

2 Kingston(R) Value RAM PC3200 400MHz DDR (512MB)
2 Advance Modules(R) PC3200 400MHz DDR (512MB)

I was a lil skeptical at first to purchase because from what I know, Advance Modules isn't that well known plus, its homegrown made in Malaysia and all. If you observe the RAM properly, the chipset is not of the common ones you find in Kingston or Corsair, its really really small and square sized. In fact, the RAM stick overall is so light

So, well you know what? One day my itchy fingers lead me to wanting to try to push the timings on this lil guinea pig RAMs of mine... muahahaha *evil grin*
So here is the results:

CPU-Z screenshot


As you can see, even CPU-Z can't identify the manufacturer or the manufacturing date. But hell yea, I got myself a 2-3-2-5-1 timing~! So of course, what use is overclocked settings without any benchmarks

This is my Kingston HyperX @ 2-3-2-6-2 (Command Rate at 2T cos my mobo allowed me to only do so )


And this is my Advance Modules @ 2-3-2-5-1 (Yes, I did achieve this at best. Almost reaching the best timing of any performance RAMS which usually go @ 2-2-2-5-1


Side by side comparison for those who really wanna see the difference. (left one is HyperX and right one is Advance Modules)


Voila~ thats what happens when you experiment with non-branded RAMs. Btw I'm sure by the end of this review, ppl would be asking a few questions so let me answer them before you do.

► I did not set the voltage. It is still on 'Auto' and I have tested it with Prime95 for about 7hrs (I had to go out so I stopped it) and it was stable with no errors.
► The chipset, according to a reliable source in Advance Modules is that some of them by Infineon.
► Are all of them able to overclock like that? I dunno... thats why I am here gathering opinions and other's test results.

So yea, I gave away my Kingston to my girlfriend and I am sticking to these. And no, I do not work for Advance Modules. I'm just a student who just happens to buy this by luck. Anyone has the same sticks of RAM, give it a try and post your results here. I'm sure everyone would want these if all of them can push the timings till this far for a Value RAM class. Malaysia Boleh!

This post has been edited by J-Slade: Dec 21 2006, 11:58 PM

Want RAM? get from me...

This post has been edited by tacobell: Dec 8 2006, 11:34 AM

Urm.. yea, as far as I know, tacobell is the only bulker for Advance Modules in LYN. Hey dude, don't quote my whole post la.. makes ppl hard to scroll down only

No spamming/trading here. Strictly discussions only.

try to overclock your HTT/FSB.... see how far the ram can go in 1:1 ...

I got a question....

I see your RAM still running at 200Mhz...
Is timing more important than FSB?

But FSB is for OCing proc rite?
So OCing ram means playing with the timing?

Yes, that is my objective. I need response and reviews from others. I dunno if my timing of 2-3-2-5-1 is real. Because I have never heard of value RAM being able to push the timing to that far. Is it possible that the readings are just mere readings and actually they are not really 'overclocked'? I mean, if it is so, then Advance Modules can start selling as performance rams already right?

I wanted to! But you know what? I'm using socket 754, my motherboard only allows me to go as far as 10x multiplier and urm... and increase is the FSB will make my system unstable.. but I will give it a try.


Yea I guess with tighter timing, you can't increase the Mhz. So you can't OC you processor as good as 1:1 ratio for ur FSB. Thats why they say:

Tighter timing = better performance
Loose timing = better overclocking ability

give and take la ya know? Since my motherboard is stubborn, I have decided to just push my RAMS further and just leave the processor be.

Normal DDR memory use TSOP chips .
This type of RAM is using FBGA (Fine-pitch Ball Grid Array) chips .

Hmm i thought multiplier locking is done on the proc itself?
If the proc is locked how to u change multiplier?

can u try to clock the ram speed
if can do 2-3-2-5 at ddr400
may be with DFI board + volt and try 3-4-4-8 can go ddr500
can race with ce-5 liao hehe

Nope... my motherboard only allows me to stick to 200Mhz.. gosh, if these RAMs go on DFI board. I think can push even further

Anyone here other than me using this brand....? Quick gimme ur opinions... am I the only lucky one or are all Advance Modules RAM that good in overclocking?

If i've not mistaken, Aeneon rams 1gb modules can also do 2-3-2-5-1 at DDR400, and that is value ram too.
Not too sure what chipsets it uses though, anyone out there who knows?
I think it is possible for some value rams to do these timings.
My Old TCCC did DDR480 at 2.5-3-3-7 with no additional voltage.

My apology

lower multi, increase htt, i'm sure this ram can do better...

It very much depends on your motherboard. DFI would be good. My ASUS is giving hell loads of problems... but then I'm very content with how it is. Not gonna upgrade or anything d... Btw, is there any way to unlock the the RAM speed? I can only do max at 200Mhz... I know its my motherboard limitation but is there any way for me to go further? Somehow using A64 tweaker, it doesnt seem to display my RAM info properly. Maybe its because mine is of an unknown brand?

maybe you can try clockgen... but as with any other software overclocking, you can't adjust voltages and dividers.

http://www.cpuid.com/clockgen.php

how about you lend it to me for severa days and i try overclock it for you..

LoL... nice try. I guess it can be done with clockgen. For some reason I can't use A64 tweaker.. it doesnt register my RAM's timings properly.. hey, when holiday comes I might try to overclock further using software... haha.. since after all, my BIOS doesnt let me go any further

Have you memtest-ed it? Any errors?

Have not... I dunno how to use memtest cos I think memtest only runs in DOS is it? Smtg like that... tonight I'm gonna do a Sandra burn-in and see what happens.. ciaoz guys..

U can download the floppy package from memtest-86.
It comes in an installer, very small only, around 200kb IIRC.
Then click on the installer, it will ask you to insert a floppy.
When it's done, just boot your pc with the floppy and it will go to memtest automatically.

off topic

i start feeling that someone is joining a64 club.

do memtest test 5 for at least 30 mins.

sandra burn in is ok also. but ppl usually use prime/sp2004.

Sandra Burn-In success
Prime95 stable @ 6hrs 50mins (not much time because I was going out that time, had to switch off my pc)

One thing I find abt these RAM sticks... they're really thin and small. I don't think it'll fit those RAM heatspreaders..

if i'm not mistaken, it's almost same like DDR2 chip, only using DDR1 , anyway, priming >5hrs considered ok la for that type of RAM

i think heat spreader would fit but not the RAM sink (chip per chip type)...you know what i mean...

Wah sniper69, never tot you'd be here too... so have you used Advance Modules RAM before? Hmmm ya know if you're saying that it might be like DDR2 chip... it might make sense... thats why I can get really tight timings on this baby... hmmm but sadly, my motherboard restricts my RAM speed timing. Perhaps I might experiment with my gf's Intel pc... muahehehehe *evil grin*

Then i can get 1:1 FSB to RAM speed ratio... wah~!

well, i'm on 1:1 DDR620@2.8GHz , i'm not using AdvanceModules anyway, but once xp with ValueRAM (Samsung UCCC chipset) which is awesome...
anyway, some manufacturer use this small tiny BGA (just like DDR2 module), i saw one Kingmax DDR400, Yellow PCB with Red Chip

this isn't what i saw in SriComp...


, i can't find even google around just now...

err.... i tot ddr2 should have looser timings e.g. 5-5-5-15.

well, J-Slade's statement quite confusing , anyway, actually J-Slade meant he's using DDR1 not DDR2, and the tightest DDR2 timing i ever seen is, (if i'm not mistaken) 3-4-4-8 ( that's the loosest timing for DDR!)...

bro sniper69.....
u use Team Xtream right??
what is the good timing for it??

3-4-4-8 1T at 2.8v...???

PS : btw...where is ur brother???dont see he in YM.....

yeap Team eXtreme, hmm now running daily 24/7 @3-4-4-8 1T @2.8vDIMM@DDR620
i tried tightened the timing to 2.5-4-4-8, 3-3-3-8 but failed on Priming/SP2004 , i guess it's not for tight timing though...

he and me just got back from "kenduri"

oicicic that explains a lot i remember last time i saw some cap ayam ram in thundermatch. the fella say ddr2 chip on ddr1 ram. then another shop who dun sell this ram says 'aiya... very easy ma... ddr2 667 ram fail qc so use as ddr1 400 lor...' but i end up buying nothing from them and went to dinster.

yeah...it can boot and load smoothly at that timing...but when prime will never success.....but for me never mind...already DDR600 ar.....nice ar this ram....

Anyone have any idea if I tighten the RAM timing, will it produce more heat?

if increase the voltage it will.....
if the timing....errr....not sure.....maybe it will also....

Can anyone confirm this? Does pushing to tighter timings (without incrase in voltage).... will it increase the RAM temperature?

dun think so, if increasin d speed, yes...

Hi there,may i know how to oc Ram? where i can get the software?can we view the temp of the ram?

oc the ram can be done in BIOS. viewing the temp need a sensor probe though.

by the way, how much can the KVR chip 512MB DDR400 can be oc'ed? tried at 3-4-4-8 @ 220MHz with 3-3-3-8@ 210MHz both at 2.7V the difference not that much? is it lose the timing greatly affect my speed even though at higher clock rate?

Sorry, could u please explain more about that, cos i m new in oc ram so i nid some advise on how to oc it thoroughly b4 i start to do it. THX.

So you're starting up just like me a few months back

1) Go to LYN RAM handbook and read it thoroughly.
2) Go to your BIOS and set the timing according lowering the timings one notch at a time.
3) If it fails.. perhaps to boot or it keeps restarting your PC, increase the voltage by a lil but don't go too high.
4) I guess when you've reached your limit, thats the best your RAM can go.

But bear in mind, having tighter timings will decrease your RAM Speed limits (in Mhz), thus it makes overclocking your processor improper because supposedly you are to sync the FSB with RAM speed at a 1:1 ratio.

This post has been edited by J-Slade: Dec 23 2006, 02:09 PM

Thank you very much provide such a great info...THX..

I didn't even see that my mobo had set it to the 4:3 ratio previously ....,by how much did that degrade my performance?....,i'm using the Corsair rev1.2(i think) 1GB XMS Pro.....

This post has been edited by tatayoung: Dec 24 2006, 04:00 PM

4:3 ratio is not that bad I think. But then again, I'm not such a pro in overclocking... very noob actually

You'd have to ask around in the other overclocking threads.

How come you never try to clock it to 230Mhz?

Tell the truth lo, your cousin work at advance module, you want to promote right? I see you everywhere promoting this ram.

My KVR running at stock runs faster than that ram when benchmarked.

This post has been edited by jcheong: Dec 28 2006, 09:33 AM

LoL... yes he is. But then again, I am not helping him sell. If I was, I would put a link to his thread instead of my noob overclocking thread

Btw, I didn't buy these pair of RAMs from him either. I accidently got it from acapz because I sold off my old HyperX and then he happened to be selling off his DDR400 rams cheap.

So I see cheap, I buy cheap, and I itchy fingers push the timing and voila. I got great results. Ntg wrong in sharing an unknown brand product that works great right?


and joo... don't spam my thread foo

This post has been edited by J-Slade: Dec 28 2006, 08:23 PM

Advance module RAM are cheapest... which is best suited for dumb users in Klang...
But this is the weirdest best noob OC wif cheap RAM by far... good job man...

This post has been edited by t3chn0m4nc3r: Jan 6 2007, 05:34 PM

Whats with you and people from Klang?

haha... juz tat majority Klang folks dunno wat's quality and always go for the cheapest stuff...

i used this ram b4,n i manage to oc it too DDR500 with default timing and default vdimm....n i sold it after i recieve my corsair

Really weird to acheive those timings J-slade....good job bro!!! Tht means you kau kau taruk the rams.
Real cool info....

nice timing n clock u hav there,btw,my current value corsair ram can run @ 2.5-3-3-7 DDR510 with no additional voltage too

while my ex advanced module ram(i dun remember the timing,might as well same like J slade)can do DDR490 with default vdimm

This post has been edited by noobianz: Jan 14 2007, 10:08 AM