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PaulKong
post Feb 26 2016, 06:41 PM

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QUOTE(desastar @ Feb 26 2016, 12:43 PM)
Congrats Paul!

With so many foldies on the market, that must have been a difficult decision?  Maybe not?

From the pic, that's the road leading up to the water tanks up the hill?  I ride up there everytime I'm there just to make sure I haven't gone weaker with age!  haha
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It was love at first sight.. Really like the idea of non folding frame that Tyrell came out with. I was more like finding reason not to buy it than buying it. The more I learn about Tyrell, the more I like the brand. All Tyrell bikes are made in Japan and the finishes are superb. It's dna are more towards performance, that's why even though IVE are made for commute, it's still have the performance heritage in it.
You are right, that's the road leading up to the water tank. First time trying out hill climbing. It didn't disappoint me. 😄😄😄


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post Feb 26 2016, 07:48 PM

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QUOTE(tkboon @ Feb 26 2016, 05:36 PM)
May I know where did you bought it from and roughly how much it cost ?
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I bought it in Vans Urban and it retail at RM6k.
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post Feb 26 2016, 07:49 PM

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QUOTE(PaulKong @ Feb 26 2016, 06:41 PM)
It was love at first sight.. Really like the idea of non folding frame that Tyrell came out with. I was more like finding reason not to buy it than buying it. The more I learn about Tyrell, the more I like the brand. All Tyrell bikes are made in Japan and the finishes are superb. It's dna are more towards performance, that's why even though IVE are made for commute, it's still have the performance heritage in it.
You are right, that's the road leading up to the water tank. First time trying out hill climbing. It didn't disappoint me. 😄😄😄
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Your legs must be stronger than mine. I was on my old MTB and the very last corner to the steepest part, I would have been on the lowest gear and just makes it to the top before I collapse, hahahaha

That fold is very similar to the Birdy, but I'm sure your chain doesn't fall off! I am considering the Birdy but that chain dropping must be a pain in the bum. That IVE does certainly look well built.
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post Feb 26 2016, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(desastar @ Feb 26 2016, 07:49 PM)
Your legs must be stronger than mine.  I was on my old MTB and the very last corner to the steepest part, I would have been on the lowest gear and just makes it to the top before I collapse, hahahaha

That fold is very similar to the Birdy, but I'm sure your chain doesn't fall off!  I am considering the Birdy but that chain dropping must be a pain in the bum. That IVE does certainly look well built.
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I'm not strong, I was pushing myself up too. But I felt I can deliver the power to the bike easier with IVE, therefore even with 53/30, I still manage to ride up the last bit of the hill. 😁😁😁
Before you fold IVE, you need to put the gear in middle of the cassette, then the chain will be tight. If you leave it in the smallest cog, the chain will be loose but it have not drop off either.
I have tried birdy too, feels solid and nice too but I just don't like the look of the front fork. I didn't know the chain will always come off, though.

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QUOTE(desastar @ Feb 26 2016, 12:39 PM)
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If you have a choice, why not pick the best tool for the job?
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foldie oso can mar...
if wana go fast then must be kuat.... biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(PaulKong @ Feb 26 2016, 06:18 AM)
I think that would be probably right. 😄😄😄
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post Feb 27 2016, 06:23 AM

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QUOTE(H2D @ Feb 26 2016, 11:43 PM)
foldie oso can mar...
if wana go fast then must be kuat....  biggrin.gif


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One day I'll try lah! Climbing hills means pulling on the handlebar and that P bar flexes so much. Got rid of mine!
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post Feb 27 2016, 06:32 AM

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QUOTE(PaulKong @ Feb 26 2016, 11:36 PM)
I'm not strong, I was pushing myself up too. But I felt I can deliver the power to the bike easier with IVE, therefore even with 53/30, I still manage to ride up the last bit of the hill. 😁😁😁
Before you fold IVE, you need to put the gear in middle of the cassette, then the chain will be tight. If you leave it in the smallest cog, the chain will be loose but it have not drop off either.
I have tried birdy too, feels solid and nice too but I just don't like the look of the front fork. I didn't know the chain will always come off, though.
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53/30....sounds like two distinct sets of ratios, pretty big gap. It's not a road bike I guess. Yes I agree the front is ugly, but that is what's drawing me to it. Weird huh? doh.gif

I'll PM you one day when I'm there. I'll try and bring one foldy back with me.
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post Feb 27 2016, 09:02 AM

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QUOTE(desastar @ Feb 27 2016, 06:32 AM)
53/30....sounds like two distinct sets of ratios, pretty big gap. It's not a road bike I guess. Yes I agree the front is ugly, but that is what's drawing me to it. Weird huh?  doh.gif

I'll PM you one day when I'm there. I'll try and bring one foldy back with me.
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I think Paul is saying that he used 53 T in front and 30T at the rear. As far as I know, you can't shift that much difference in gap. Also, I have tried putting double chainrings on a foldable Tyrell, it's tricky. Only the CX, the non foldable ones has multiple chainrings. icon_rolleyes.gif

PS/ Also, I don;t think there's a30 T chainring with 130BCD in the market, is there? hmm.gif

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post Feb 27 2016, 11:23 AM

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H2D,

I'm joining tomorrow hari wilayah. Tomorrow will be more of a leisure ride than pushing the bike limit.

Desastar,

What I mean is when going up, I'm using the biggest cog @30t, there's only one chainring at the front which is 53

Etigge,

Yes, that's what I mean 😁😁😁
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post Feb 27 2016, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(etigge @ Feb 27 2016, 09:02 AM)
I think Paul is saying that he used 53 T in front and 30T at the rear. As far as I know, you can't shift that much difference in gap. Also, I have tried putting double chainrings on a foldable Tyrell, it's tricky. Only the CX, the non foldable ones has multiple chainrings. icon_rolleyes.gif

PS/ Also, I don;t think there's a30 T chainring with 130BCD in the market, is there? hmm.gif
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Hahaha silly me, just assumed Paul was talking about chainrings. That's why I thought it was strange. Still a newbie here lah!

I definitely won't be able to do 53/30 up that last bit of hill!

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lucky it suit me, becoz i just bought it without any knowledge about bike geo..its TSR 20 now...love the hi lo soft hard damper
...not too soft like B...
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post Feb 27 2016, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(desastar @ Feb 27 2016, 11:31 AM)
Hahaha silly me, just assumed Paul was talking about chainrings. That's why I thought it was strange. Still a newbie here lah!

I definitely won't be able to do 53/30 up that last bit of hill!
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Which last bit you are referring? To the round about or nearing the water tank? I'm only did to the round about 😅😅
Yeah, pls pm me when you are back here, we can ride around park city. 😄😄😄
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post Feb 27 2016, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(desastar @ Feb 27 2016, 11:31 AM)
Hahaha silly me, just assumed Paul was talking about chainrings. That's why I thought it was strange. Still a newbie here lah!

I definitely won't be able to do 53/30 up that last bit of hill!
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If speed is not the ultimate criteria, can always go for the compact crank which is 110 BCD and that size have 50T chainrings or use mtb cranks that can hold 48T chainrings that touring bikes use. In cycling, the ultimate goal is ,
no. 1 , destination, no. 2 , level of fun and no. 3 , speed. Off course, all those must accumulate to calories burnt.

When I rode Fraser's Hill, I done that 5 to 6 times already with 2 to the peak and the rest till Gap Junction, I always take a bet with my wife on who will we meet at Gap and who we will not see. Many we see, all pumped up from KKB to the dam and that we guess will never reach. Hahahaaa. True, we see them zooming downhill even before we reach the waterfall. we need to know the terrain well and also we have to space out our energy, like budgeting money. tongue.gif Also,for those who never tried there, you should. It's a good place to ride. Peaceful and cool. Less or sometimes NO traffic thumbup.gif

Don't worry about whether you will reach or not. If you don't try, you won't know how far you can go. Start from Sg.Chilling, not KKB. Park your car just after the bridge as there's a stall there. Someone to look after the car.Start the ride and ride as far as possible. Until you drop! Then downhill down back to the car. Sooner or later, you will reach the top eventually and then finally after that, start from KKB.
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QUOTE(PaulKong @ Feb 27 2016, 11:39 AM)
Which last bit you are referring? To the round about or nearing the water tank? I'm only did to the round about 😅😅
Yeah, pls pm me when you are back here, we can ride around park city. 😄😄😄
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ICIC.... no, you need to continue from there all the way up to the fence! biggrin.gif

Let me train hard for the next few months then i contact you? hahahaha!
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post Feb 27 2016, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(etigge @ Feb 27 2016, 12:20 PM)
If speed is not the ultimate criteria, can always go for the compact crank  which is 110 BCD and that size have 50T chainrings or use mtb cranks that can hold 48T chainrings that touring bikes use.  In cycling, the ultimate goal is ,
no. 1 , destination, no. 2 , level of fun and no. 3 , speed. Off course, all those must accumulate to calories burnt.

When I rode Fraser's Hill, I done that 5 to 6 times already with 2 to the peak and the rest till Gap Junction, I always take a bet with my wife on who will we meet at Gap and who we will not see. Many we see, all pumped up from KKB to the dam and that we guess will never reach. Hahahaaa. True, we see them zooming downhill even before we reach the waterfall. we need to know the terrain well and also we have to space out our energy, like budgeting money. tongue.gif  Also,for those who never tried there, you should. It's a good place to ride. Peaceful and cool. Less or sometimes NO traffic thumbup.gif

Don't worry about whether you will reach or not. If you don't try, you won't know how far you can go. Start from Sg.Chilling, not KKB. Park your car just after the bridge as there's a stall there. Someone to look after the car.Start the ride and ride as far as possible. Until you drop! Then downhill down back to the car. Sooner or later, you will reach the top eventually and then finally after that, start from KKB.
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You are right. I don't try to beat speed records anyway, prefer touring speed. What I suffer most would be the M'sian sun and heat. I've done a 45km MTB ride once and nearly died from heat stroke, hahaha.

If Fraser's Hill ride is cool. maybe I'll try if there's a group going one day. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(desastar @ Feb 27 2016, 01:09 PM)
You are right.  I don't try to beat speed records anyway, prefer touring speed.  What I suffer most would be the M'sian sun and heat. I've done a 45km MTB ride once and nearly died from heat stroke, hahaha.

If Fraser's Hill ride is cool. maybe I'll try if there's a group going one day.  biggrin.gif
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Between road riding and offroad riding, offroad is endurance! Roadies are into speed and the peak performance. One can only get used to only one training. So, you cannot equate 45km offroad to 45km on road. On road riding, one only needs to concentrate more on peaking your performance as the roads are even where else on off road riding, a lot of other skills are needed. You have to concentrate on the line of ride, avoiding ruts, rocks and roots. This itself is sometimes too consuming for riders. Then the balancing skills and getting into tight spaces and finally the hilly terrain which needs a lot of low gear cranking and grinding.

It is not to say road riding is easier either because road riding is stressful, really stressful. Many roadies are competitive and it gets even more stressful. Off course one can say, I will just ride slow but riding in a group sometimes
drives your adrenaline high because of your peers and many try to be equal or catch up and this is disaster for those not used to it.

Most important I think is the clique you are riding with, even with foldies. Sometimes you get riders who makes a nuisance of themselves. We used to have one who always gets lost and don't want to stay with the pack and the leader and sweeper have to go all around hunting him. He could have seen something nice and sat a while reminiscing his grandmother because he saw a chicken by the roadside and that to him is why he rides, so all the others have to wait for him. While we appreciate his sentimentality, he was not thinking of others. At the same note, we also have people who organize but not taking care of their charge and sometimes just leave early. Yes, I have seen that, honestly. Hahahaaa.

My point is, riding 45 km offroad is actually very tough. I can ride Kampar to Sitiawan and ride 12 hours and still can sit down for a beer but after doing 35 km with the KLMBH here, I really wanted to take their chicken loop and go home earlier. Hahahaa. I am in the midst of organizing a ride into the jungles, from Kuala Tembeling to Kuala Lipis area. All done in the jungles. Maybe you want to join me? We ride for a day then set camp (organizers will be in 4WD and set camp and prepare food) and then ride another day and return by long boats along Sungai Jelai. This is not a jamboree or race. More of a fellowship off road ride , enjoying nature at it's best. Slow, doesn't matter if the slowest is slower than a sloth. Hahahaha. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(desastar @ Feb 27 2016, 12:41 PM)
ICIC.... no,  you need to continue from there all the way up to the fence!  biggrin.gif

Let me train hard for the next few months then i contact you?  hahahaha!
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No need to train hard la... Just leisure ride will do. I've come to a state, if I can't ride up, I'll push the bike. I used to be very concerned about it last time, that's why I was only looking for 2 chainring for my bike. 😄😄😄
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QUOTE(etigge @ Feb 27 2016, 01:59 PM)
Between road riding and offroad riding, offroad is endurance! Roadies are into speed and the peak performance. One can only get used to only one training. So, you cannot equate 45km offroad to 45km on road. On road riding, one only needs to concentrate more on peaking your performance as the roads are even where else on off road riding, a lot of other skills are needed. You have to concentrate on the line of ride, avoiding ruts, rocks and roots. This itself is sometimes too consuming for riders. Then the balancing skills and getting into tight spaces and finally the hilly terrain which needs a lot of low gear cranking and grinding.

It is not to say road riding is easier either because road riding is stressful, really stressful. Many roadies are competitive and it gets even more stressful. Off course one can say, I will just ride slow but riding in a group sometimes
drives your adrenaline high because of your peers and many try to be equal or catch up and this is disaster for those not used to it.

Most important I think is the clique you are riding with, even with foldies. Sometimes you get riders who makes a nuisance of themselves. We used to have one who always gets lost and don't want to stay with the pack and the leader and sweeper have to go all around hunting him. He could have seen something nice and sat a while reminiscing his grandmother because he saw a chicken by the roadside and that to him is why he rides, so all the others have to wait for him. While we appreciate his sentimentality, he was not thinking of others. At the same note, we also have people who organize but not taking care of their charge and sometimes just leave early. Yes, I have seen that, honestly. Hahahaaa.

My point is, riding 45 km offroad is actually very tough. I can ride Kampar to Sitiawan and ride 12 hours and still can sit down for a beer but after doing 35 km with the KLMBH here, I really wanted to take their chicken loop and go home earlier. Hahahaa. I am in the midst of organizing a ride into the jungles, from Kuala Tembeling to Kuala Lipis area. All done in the jungles. Maybe you want to join me?  We ride for a day then set camp (organizers will be in 4WD and set camp and prepare food) and then ride another day and return by long boats along Sungai Jelai. This is not a jamboree or race. More of a fellowship off road ride , enjoying nature at it's best. Slow, doesn't matter if the slowest is slower than a sloth. Hahahaha.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Before I join any group riding, I always make sure what's their avg km/h. If it matches my speed, than only I'll join. It's no fun trying to catch up and stressing yourself. I don't mind to wait up for slower speed though 😁😁😁
When first started, a KLCFD 7km looks like a big leap. After been riding over half a year, anything less than 20km, you feel like not riding at all.
I've not try mtb yet, it really sound like a lot of fun 👍🏻👍🏻

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QUOTE(etigge @ Feb 27 2016, 01:59 PM)
Between road riding and offroad riding, offroad is endurance! Roadies are into speed and the peak performance. One can only get used to only one training. So, you cannot equate 45km offroad to 45km on road. On road riding, one only needs to concentrate more on peaking your performance as the roads are even where else on off road riding, a lot of other skills are needed. You have to concentrate on the line of ride, avoiding ruts, rocks and roots. This itself is sometimes too consuming for riders. Then the balancing skills and getting into tight spaces and finally the hilly terrain which needs a lot of low gear cranking and grinding.

It is not to say road riding is easier either because road riding is stressful, really stressful. Many roadies are competitive and it gets even more stressful. Off course one can say, I will just ride slow but riding in a group sometimes
drives your adrenaline high because of your peers and many try to be equal or catch up and this is disaster for those not used to it.

Most important I think is the clique you are riding with, even with foldies. Sometimes you get riders who makes a nuisance of themselves. We used to have one who always gets lost and don't want to stay with the pack and the leader and sweeper have to go all around hunting him. He could have seen something nice and sat a while reminiscing his grandmother because he saw a chicken by the roadside and that to him is why he rides, so all the others have to wait for him. While we appreciate his sentimentality, he was not thinking of others. At the same note, we also have people who organize but not taking care of their charge and sometimes just leave early. Yes, I have seen that, honestly. Hahahaaa.

My point is, riding 45 km offroad is actually very tough. I can ride Kampar to Sitiawan and ride 12 hours and still can sit down for a beer but after doing 35 km with the KLMBH here, I really wanted to take their chicken loop and go home earlier. Hahahaa. I am in the midst of organizing a ride into the jungles, from Kuala Tembeling to Kuala Lipis area. All done in the jungles. Maybe you want to join me?  We ride for a day then set camp (organizers will be in 4WD and set camp and prepare food) and then ride another day and return by long boats along Sungai Jelai. This is not a jamboree or race. More of a fellowship off road ride , enjoying nature at it's best. Slow, doesn't matter if the slowest is slower than a sloth. Hahahaha.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Thanks for the invite sifu. My stars will all have to align to have that opportunity. Maybe when I know I'll be back for a while, I'll let you know. Sound like fun though.
If you like that sort of ride you should come over and do the Munda Biddi trail south of Perth. Look it up. Got to do it in stages but best section in around Pemberton. Self supported and huts available along the way. Best time to do it Autumn or late winter, early spring.

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