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Investment LAKEVILLE RESIDENCE | SERI WAHYU (Ver 2) [OT], Live Life Differently In New Kepong

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honesty tan
post Mar 22 2017, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(beebee @ Mar 22 2017, 01:59 PM)
i bought this place as it is damn near to my family home, so we cant do anything now?
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Beebee, it's for own stay? I think just close one eye and accept it since already bought. Hope for the best and one day we will accept it, just like those telco towers / HTC.
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post Mar 22 2017, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(Hunakadoo @ Mar 22 2017, 02:04 PM)
biggrin.gif  i were a tower A buyer  sweat.gif

withraw it like 15 months ago
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Wah bro why?

I think that time market still good and those issues still not prevalent / emerging right..
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post Mar 22 2017, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(kinnasai @ Mar 22 2017, 02:02 PM)
Bro, seems like you know in deep abt this development...
Do u mind help list down all pros & cons?
Maybe comparision to Ecosky or Kiara East?
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He's agent for developer. Haha.

Propcafe already has the adjacent properties / benchmark and summary / review.

https://propcafe.net/lakevilletaman-wahyu-mahsing/

But I'm interested to know the cons as well, just in case we miss any.

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post Mar 22 2017, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(beebee @ Mar 22 2017, 02:08 PM)
definitely high density is the main con and not so walking distance(800m or more) to the future MRT station.
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I like the MRT and consider that as plus point but dislike the density.

Actually Propcafe already mentioned about the furnace / incinerators in year 2014.

It just that not many knows / aware / forgot or presumed that it's far.

Read more from this link:

https://propcafe.net/lakevilletaman-wahyu-mahsing/
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post Mar 22 2017, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(meraboy @ Mar 22 2017, 02:09 PM)
Sorry there is no confirmation.
Maybe @honesty tan can provide more info.
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We are asking for the pro and cons for lakeville.

To benchmark against other projects. Do you get his question?
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post Mar 22 2017, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(honesty tan @ Mar 22 2017, 01:51 PM)
Does the 0.33 cents psf covers or partially contributes to the maintenance of lake?

As I run JMB / RA before, with the provision of shutter bus to mrt station, is actually part of residents money, unless there is arrangement done with the authority.

Can @meraboy confirms who funds that?

Meanwhile, rumahwip maintenance fees is around 0.25 psf.

Both sitting on commercial lands, luckily developer absorbs the GST. But again absorbs implicates it is part of the SPA price.
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Will need confirmation on the funds to lake and mrt also. We don't want to hold a timing bomb in high maintenance fees after developer surrender the P&L/Accounting back to JMB and manage by residents.

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post Mar 22 2017, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(beebee @ Mar 22 2017, 02:16 PM)
sadly cant be your neighbor, always wanted to get a pair of spec from you but no chance.
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Perhaps it's better luck for you to withdraw 15 months ago, even without knowing the incinerators thingy.
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post Mar 22 2017, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(meraboy @ Mar 22 2017, 02:17 PM)
Well you hv provide such excellent reference already
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The propcafe review is 2014, where first block is launched. Wonder if you have anything to share based on latest data, or 2017 findings?
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post Mar 22 2017, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(beebee @ Mar 22 2017, 02:18 PM)
the lake does not belong to MS, it will falls under the local council, the shuttle should be borne by the maintenance fee
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Then I would say MRT is good but shuttle is for public and costs borne by residents. Not too bad as residents don't fund the park / lake. Better get dev to zerolize the accounts when surrender to JMB. Make sure no advance capex / debts.

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post Mar 22 2017, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(beebee @ Mar 22 2017, 02:27 PM)
points taken, i dont think shuttle will be used by public, should be for usage of residence?

will check on the JMB after the handover in 2 years?  tongue.gif
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As far I inquiry @ sales office, their staffs told me is for public.

Hence the initial question was who funds the bus. Government , mah sing, or residents.

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post Mar 22 2017, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(beebee @ Mar 22 2017, 02:59 PM)
if for public as well, i dont think should be borne by the residence!

hopefully will be provided by MRT/Prasarana!
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If it is feeder bus and part of DMC with developer, will be funded by residents .

If it is commute bus and part of railway project, will be funded by MRT Corporation and supported by Gov (to setup a stop in front LV).

If it is Mah Sing - Gov bus and part of MOU, will be usually funded by Dev (On time costs or managed services) and supported by Gov.

No matter how "free" it is, there must be funds coming from elsewhere / certain party.

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post Mar 24 2017, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(meraboy @ Mar 24 2017, 09:13 PM)
With some research, one can get more accurate answer.
Incineration

Pollution
"In a study from 1997, Delaware Solid Waste Authority found that, for same amount of produced energy,incineration plants emitted fewer particles, hydrocarbons and less SO2, HCl, CO and NOx than coal-fired power plants, ,but more than natural gas–fired power plants.According to Germany's Ministry of the Environment, waste incinerators reduce the amount of some atmospheric pollutants by substituting power produced by coal-fired plants with power from waste-fired plants."

->There are few coal power plants which are still in operation with the biggest one in Kapar Klang.
Kapar Power Station
Dioxin & Furans
In 2005, The Ministry of the Environment of Germany, where there were 66 incinerators at that time, estimated that "...whereas in 1990 one third of all dioxin emissions in Germany came from incineration plants, for the year 2000 the figure was less than 1%. Chimneys and tiled stoves in private households alone discharge approximately 20 times more dioxin into the environment than incineration plants."
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I doubt the conclusion, if you claim this as an accurate one - it basically just selectively telling incinerators are "less hazardous" if compare to other pollutants.

Let's complement the one shared by icemanfx too.

Any pollutants is considered waste matter that contaminates the water, air or soil.

Just ask a honest question to yourself, will you still wanna stay close to it?

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QUOTE(Pain4UrsinZ @ Mar 24 2017, 06:20 PM)
hi guys, if incinerator is really dangerous, then everyone in KL also will be affected, smog from Indonesia also can come to Malaysia, don't talk about just few KM.

i searched for a lot Research paper and article for this, in year 2002 the safety distance was recommended  at 30 KM, if i remember it right. after technology getting more modern the safety distance become less than 1 KM.
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haha so based on your logic, if a person fart at his own place, the whole house got the smell?

there must be level of intensity and dispersion density mah =)

hence even the smog blows from Indonesia, there is diff pollution index across different regions and altitudes.

will you feel the Lynas - effect in KL now? hehe sorry but i can't really buy your assumption.

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post Mar 24 2017, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(Pain4UrsinZ @ Mar 24 2017, 06:24 PM)
rumawip maintenance fee confirm is 0.25 ? actually quite a lot for affordable house. hope can be maximum 0.22
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yes was told by SA it's about 0.25 psf (incl sinking fund).

personally think still not too high with provision of full facilities and sitting on commercial land.

lakeville is already 0.33 psf minimum.

other states has lower maintenance psf , probably also due to labor / transport / material costs is lower tha KL.

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QUOTE(michaelchang @ Mar 24 2017, 08:00 PM)
$0.25/sqft maintenance is super expensive for Rumawip..it's supposed to be affordable.

imagine paying 30 years maintenance = a new affordable house in Johor.
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haha bro no choice, every stratified developments inherit that .

just hope it won't burden many ppl, which leads to higher tendency of household to ignore due diligence in paying.

5 lifts to maintain for 660 units (smooth transition is referencing 3 lifts for 300 units), swimming pool alone should consume around 0.15 psf already.

however the podium is not large, planter box should be limited too, so i deem 0.20 psf could be the fair price.

anyway after JMB take over and manage it, the additional could considered hedge for future enhancement / backup.

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Mar 24 2017, 11:05 PM)
1)Incineration does not remove waste. It simply converts it into another form (gas,particulates, ash) and these new forms are typically more hazardous though lessvisible than in the original form.

2)Large   epidemiological   studies   have   shown   higher   rates   of   adult   andchildhood cancers and of birth defects around incinerators. Smaller studies anda   large   body  of   related   research   support   these   findings,   point   to   a   causalrelationship, and suggest that a much wider range of illnesses may be involved.

3)Recent research has confirmed that particulate pollution, especially the fineparticulate (PM2.5) pollution, which is typical of incinerator emissions, is animportant contributor to  heart disease, lung cancer, and an assortment ofother diseases, and causes a linear increase in mortality. The latest research hasfound there is a much greater effect on mortality than previously thought andimplies   that   incinerators   will   cause   increases   in   cardiovascular   andcerebrovascular morbidity and mortality with both short-term and long-termexposure. Particulates from incinerators will be especially hazardous due to thetoxic chemicals attached to them.

4)Other pollutants emitted by incinerators include heavy metals and a large varietyof organic chemicals. These substances include known carcinogens, endocrinedisruptors, and substances that can attach to genes, alter behaviour, damagethe immune system and decrease intelligence. There appears to be no thresholdfor some of these effects, such as endocrine disruption. The dangers of these areself-evident.  Some of these compounds have been detected hundreds to thousandsof miles away from their source.

5)The   danger   of   incinerating   radioactive   waste   deserves   special   mention.Incineration converts radioactive waste into billions of radioactive particulates.These particulates  make  a near perfect  delivery system for introducing  theradioactive matter into the human body, where it can then act as an internalemitter of alpha or beta radiation.  This type of radiation is qualitativelydifferent,   far   more   dangerous   and   far   more   sinister,   than   background53
radiation. There can be no justification for using this method of dealing withradioactive waste.

6)Modern incinerators produce fly ash which is much more toxic than in thepast, containing large quantities of dioxin-rich material for which there is no safemethod of   disposal, except vitrification, a method not being used in the UK.Disposal of incinerator ash to landfill sites is associated with long-termthreats toaquifers and water tables and the potential for accidents serious enough to requireevacuation of an area.

7)The risks to local people that occur when incinerators operate under non-standard   working   conditions   have   not   been   addressed,  particularly   theemissions at start-up and shutdown which may be associated with the release,within 2 days, of more dioxin than over 6 months of  working under standardconditions.

8)The greatest concern is the long-term effects of incinerator emissions on thedeveloping embryo and infant, and the real possibility that genetic changeswill occur and be passed on to succeeding generations. Far greater vulnerabilityto toxins has been documented for the very young, particularly foetuses, with risksofcancer, spontaneous abortion, birth defects or permanent cognitive damage. Aworryingly high body burden of pollutants has recently been reported in twostudies of cord blood from new-born babies.

9)Waste incineration is prohibitively expensive when health costs are taken intoaccount. A variety of studies, including that from the government, indicate that asingle large incinerator could cost the tax payer many million of pounds perannum in health costs. Put simply, the government’s own data is demonstratingthat incinerators are a major health hazard. With the predicted inclusion of thewaste   industry   within   the   EU   European   Emissions   Trading   Scheme,   localtaxpayers, in areas with incinerators, will not only have to live within a pollutedarea but will be saddled with costs, under ETS, of millions of pounds per annumto pay for it.

10)Waste incineration is unjust because its maximum toxic impact is on the mostvulnerable members of our society, the unborn child, children, the poor andthe chemically sensitive.   It contravenes the United Nations Commission onHuman Rights, the European Human Rights Convention (the Right to Life), andthe Stockholm Convention, and violates the Environmental Protection Act of 1990which states that the UK must prevent emissions from harming human health.

www.bsem.org.uk/uploads/IncineratorReport_v3.pdf
British Society for Ecological Medicine
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Sounds legit if we digest carefully and validate with more sources.

Don't think those 20k Kepong ppl signing petition was simply too free to protest, or just wanna make fun of it.

Still not too late to get the awareness.

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QUOTE(Wan Tiin @ Mar 24 2017, 11:43 PM)
Hi, anyone is coming to the balloting on next Wednesday?
Anyone know if we need to settle the 10% and sign SPA the same day?
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Yes heard so. If you withdraw from EPF, it would be RM 10k.

To protect your own interests, better pay the balance within (5) days after you read through, checked, and signed the SNP.

Paying before signing SNP could be dangerous (on those fishy developers), leverage your rights from given window period or issue a back-dated cheque.

It's a good buy still bro!

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QUOTE(coldprop @ Mar 25 2017, 12:37 AM)
only withdraw RM10K from EPF? not max RM30K (10% x selling price RM300k) if i have sufficient money RM30K in my account 2 ?
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10K in cash (3k booking + 7k during / within 5d after ballot day) - this scheme only applicable if you plan to withdraw from EPF.

30K in cash (3k booking + 27k during / within 5d after ballot day) - non EPF withdrawal.

Queue number is by sequence of submitting 3k booking with complete dockets / documents.

I am not qualified but I brought my niece to ask @ developer office.

So far 400+ submitted but not all are 100% complete. If you already submit by this week, chances are there.

May check more from SA.

Find Eunice Shan, she is very helpful and nice. Good luck. smile.gif

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