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Garysydney
post Feb 27 2020, 10:19 PM

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QUOTE(Red_rustyjelly @ Feb 27 2020, 11:41 AM)

Anyway, coming back to salary, depending on what you seek. At this age, I would not have enough pension funds because I didn't start off in Aussie from graduation. I need to make sure I want to have the 15 years of pension fund already sitting in Aussie's Super for the dividend in order to make sure my retirement is okay.
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Australian govt pension starts at 67 and it is very generous. A couple gets about A$700/wk (when your accumulated assets does not exceed A$840 - does not include the home). Unless you want to be a self-funded retiree (where you do not need/want govt assistance), most times the govt pension will be sufficient to live on (provided you do not need to pay rent -ie you own your own home). If you have worked and have your own super, this counts towards the assets test. A lot of young people (in Aust) tend not to put so much into their super as they aim to pay off their mortgage first. Employers would normally put about 9.5% into a superfund for their employees (rising to 10% next year).
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post Mar 3 2020, 08:04 AM

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QUOTE(kagenn @ Mar 3 2020, 06:45 AM)
I would think the current political instability in Msia is a great motivator for many right now. Especially those who do not want to be caught up in all the aftermath - with people losing hope in the current gov's capabilities or fearing the over abuse of power of the previous gov. Also, if one does manage to transfer the role with minimum salary loss - the currency conversion would definitely be a great bonus (minus the high taxes). That is a great motivator for me + much more affordable electronics here for my gaming needs.
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Yes - very true. I would never move my retirement assets back to Msia even though i will eventually be going back to KL to retire. Even though Aussie is an unstable (weak) currency, it is still better compared to the ringgit. If you hold ringgit, your money is locked up and it is extremely hard to move funds overseas unlike other countries.
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post Mar 4 2020, 03:26 AM

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QUOTE(Red_rustyjelly @ Mar 3 2020, 03:23 PM)
Coronavirus lah.
hahaha, risk to stay and risk to travel
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I initially planned to go back to KL next week (tickets all booked) for 2 months and now i am cancelling all travel plans for the next 6 months. Best not to go anywhere.

I was initially planning to retire end of this year and now so many things happening (sharemarkets dropping), i might put off my retirement until things settle down a bit. I have been doing a lot research into the retirement life (for retirees in Msia) and it appears a good proportion of retirees (couples) in Msia survive with less than rm5k/mth. This is a real shock to me!! Aust has old-aged pension so not having so much retirement assets is not so much of a concern (when we get older). Also, you got Medicare to fall back on as well if you don't have private health insurance. In Msia, there is no safety net so we have to be extra careful with our retirement assets (cannot take so much risks like what i have been currently doing).

Sorry to bore you guys with my retirement talk!! People my age all only talk about our retirement issues. biggrin.gif
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post Mar 4 2020, 01:04 PM

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QUOTE(kagenn @ Mar 4 2020, 09:43 AM)
Does Aus pension apply to non-gov jobs?

A few colleagues were worried that I could possibly be infected with Cvid-19 when I returned from Msia two weeks ago. So far so good..
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Yes - Aust pension applies to all PRs and citizens of Aust above 67. It is automatic and a couple will roughly get A$700/wk (assets must not be more than A$840k - family home is excluded from assets test). In other countries, you need to work for the govt to get the old-aged pension but not Aust. Everyone is entitled to aged pension in Aust (PRs and citizens).

Msia seems to be still ok with the virus - hopefully it will not spread extensively to other states.

I went to Coles Randwick this morning and no more toilet paper and spaghetti left on the shelves. Other items still plenty. Don't know why toilet paper is such a necessity. doh.gif

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post Mar 5 2020, 08:42 AM

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QUOTE(kagenn @ Mar 5 2020, 06:30 AM)
Thanks for the info Gary, hopefully this doesn't get changed too much when I reach that age. Still pretty far away and things could change. Though it does feel pretty limiting to have assets up to only $840k, as that seems to discourage people from building up additional financial security. I guess if people are doing pretty well they just have to put other assets in their kids' name or shift the money into overseas banks huh.

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A lot of retirees are treating their assets as estate planning - that is to leave a big estate (assets) to their children when they die. Now this is what the govt doesn't want which is for superannuation to be used as a tool for estate planning. Super should be used to support their old age and not to be used as inheritance for their children. That is why the govt has imposed a tax-free limit of A$1.6mil (per person) on super - amounts on top of this will be taxed at 15% (earnings get taxed not the capital).

Since the family home is tax-free, older retirees may upgrade to a bigger family home (using their super and other savings) so they can pass down to their children when they pass on (all tax-free).
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post Mar 5 2020, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(kagenn @ Mar 5 2020, 10:29 AM)
Since I only started working here 3 years ago my super is probably going to be a lot less compared to others who have worked here since early 20s. Might never have to worry about reaching that A$1.6m cap. Mine is easily a few grand after 3 years - even if I calculated it to be 15k every 10 years, it'll be like 45k after 30 years?  That $1.6m would be more feasible if I was adopted as Bloomberg's godson (perhaps toyboy, lol) or hit the lotto.

Also I don't fancy having a bigger house, so much more to clean and maintain. I'll worry about a bigger house when there are kids to consider, but having a nice small -> average sized house with a manageable backyard is more than sufficient. Especially with all that bloody lawn maintenance.
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The younger generation will probably not put much into super as it may be better off putting the extra money into the mortgage as super money is locked up until you are 60.
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post Mar 7 2020, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Mar 7 2020, 10:17 AM)
Except that bit where you get some tax benefit yearly....
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Putting money into super is taxed at 15% so someone on A$70k (average earnings in Aust) will save around 19.5% tax (marginal tax 32.5%+2% Medicare levy). For the younger generation, saving 19.5% (for those on 32.5% tax bracket) may not be a great enough inducement to have your money locked until till 60.
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post Mar 7 2020, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Mar 7 2020, 10:53 AM)
There is a cap or 25k for the concessionary contribution....a 19% tax relief is significant....if you put the whole 25k, 19% is 4750, basically you get extra 4750 in your super albeit locked up till you are 60....I would do it.....
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A$25k is inclusive of the employer contribution (mostly 9.5% unless the employer gives you an extra perk by contributing more for you). If you are on base pay A$100k, the employers mandatory 9.5% will mean that you can only put in A$15.5k of your own contributions (employer is contributing A$9.5k).

I have a defined benefit super which is very generous (17% employer contribution) so i can't put in a lot of my own money. However, we can put in A$100k/yr of after-tax money (non-concessional) so if you have some extra money, it may be a good idea to put in some non-concessional (if your concessional A$25k has been used up) esp for oldies like me.
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post Mar 7 2020, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Mar 7 2020, 12:14 PM)
Not sure if non concessional contributions is worth it, since the returns from supers aren't guaranteed and most not very attractive, unlike EPF here....
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If you don't put the extra money inside super and invest it outside super, your returns are taxed at your marginal rate while inside super your returns are taxed at 15% - for me personally definitely better to put it inside super as i am on the 37% tax bracket (plus 2% medicare levy).
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Mar 7 2020, 12:43 PM)
Then choosing the right super becomes vital....some are really crap....
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A lot of superfunds allow you to choose the level of risk - you can also run your own superfund (self-managed superfund). SMSF is good if you want to use it to buy properties but banks are quite reluctant to lend to SMSF nowadays. Managing a SMSF involves a lot of work as what you are basically doing is using a company (which is where your super money is kept). The only difficulty with a SMSF is buying foreign assets as you cannot move money overseas without incurring the wrath of the ATO.
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post Mar 9 2020, 04:11 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Mar 8 2020, 01:58 PM)
Thank you for the good discussions in this thread, gents,...

According to my wife, the toilet paper rolls sold out too in Coles and Woolies here. I think the thing here is the toilets in Aus don't have water taps and bidets inside. That's why the urgency with toilet-papers.

My family installed toilet-seat bidets to manage this. Panasonic-brand is quite good. So, can still survive without toilet-papers.
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My wife and i don't use much toilet paper and usually a 30-roll pack can last me 2 months easily so i am not too fussed.

What i am worried about is a global recession - i have started switching to more conservative investments lately as my investments so far have dropped more than 13% since 1 month ago. I was getting returns of about 15%/yr for the last few years and now, it looks like party time is over. I started switching about a week ago and i now feel the markets may have more to fall. Looks like hard times will be upon us shortly and it is probably wiser for me to work a little longer. icon_question.gif

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post Mar 9 2020, 06:02 AM

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QUOTE(kagenn @ Mar 9 2020, 05:27 AM)
Your job is pretty comfy anyway, might as well just go with it while they're still happy to have you. Isn't it always better to wait for a redundancy package?

Family in Brisbane are happy to get the redundancy package and find another job rather than leave the job if they can help it.
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Universities have lost a lot of income due to PRC students deffering the semester. Good chance of redundancy coming - always what i have been wanting for the past couple of years. After tax A$145k alone for the redundancy and not including my long service leave. rclxm9.gif I will buy you and your wife a lobster seafood dinner at Golden Century Chinatown if i get one (and i always remember what i promise). rclxm9.gif

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post Mar 9 2020, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(kagenn @ Mar 9 2020, 07:44 AM)
Probably mixed news for you as you may get to work for a bit more before getting the redundancy package - good luck to you either way.

I would take you up on that offer, but neither of us eat lobsters - wife doesn't enjoy em much and I have several allergies with crustaceans & alcohol being some of it. Swelling lips & itchy throat/ears are no fun when I eat prawns/crabs or lobsters, thus I avoid them as much as possible. It was pretty tough having a dad who loved seafood and used to run a live-on-board diving business.

I'm hoping for some yum cha/dim sum promotions as I've heard there's been a severe lack of business for these shops. Also, my usual question to friends - if I do not drink tea (water, for instance) at the yum cha shop, do we still call it yum cha?
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Market really crashing badly today. Oil price down but i think the market will settle down after a month or two. If you still have a job there is nothing to worry about. I went through the GFC without any problems but then my assets were only 30% of what i have now.

My wife doesn't eat live lobsters because she is a very staunch Buddhist who doesn't want to kill live animals. I will eat anything!! Doesn't matter you don't eat seafood - we can always eat other things but i must say Golden Century has one of the best Chinese dishes in Chinatown. Restaurants in Chinatown are about 40% full nowadays (even on Fri and Sat nights) and they are offering good deals on lobsters (A$85/kg cooked) because they cannot export to China nowadays. My wife forbids me to order live lobsters when we go out together so i can only eat lobster when i go out with friends.
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Mar 9 2020, 10:33 AM)
Tq bro Gary,...

On my side, my investments have not dipped below water at this moment, but of course, nobody can tell what will happen in future ! As of my checking a moment ago as I write this, I am 30.22% up ! Checked again - 30.07% up ! Looks like it keeps dropping,...

But this is still higher compared against 25.10.2019 last year, when I was at 28.73% up. I printed out that portfolio page before I divested one of my ctr's in the SGX, namely First REIT.

I printed out one last week, but I can't find where it is now,... well, this is how I track my equities performance in the SGX, retail tranche.

I am of the opinion that if I have practised proper and good portfolio practice (things like cutting loss early, letting profits run, and logical diversification), I should not worry now, and I should continue to hold to reap whatever dividends that I can get even if those dividends drop. If this meltdown goes deep enough, I will be able to see if my strategy is sound !

Your 15%/yr returns for the last few years - I'm afraid if you have sold and realized those profits, then I would say they are profits. if, say, these were paper profits but you were in the blue always, it may not be justifiable to say they are profits yet.

On retirement, I do my own business/practice. Except for the occasional pursuits by some clients, I am quite comfortable doing this till my last days. I would regret sitting home and looking at my portfolio only. For myself, in terms of retirement, the secret is to select cases which are NOT urgent. And to select clients who are not pushy.
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My portfolio is back to June 2019 level (after calculating today's loss) as i was very confident even up to 4 weeks ago. My wife asked me to reduce my risk 3 weeks ago and i only moved 15% of my portfolio to safer assets. 35% of my superannuation is protected as it is a defined-benefit scheme where the employer benefit is paid as a percentage of my salary. I have 50% in International shares which have fallen 12.5% so far (not including tonight's Dow Jones opening). Altogether down A$1xx,xxx so far - i think it will be a 2 figure very soon but i still have a job which is the most important. Probably work another 2 more years and it will go back to the original figure. icon_question.gif
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post Mar 9 2020, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Mar 9 2020, 11:38 AM)
Tq bro,...

On my side, I don't really depend too much on govt's pension schemes. I depend more on my own self-built safety net, but probably that's because of our individual circumstances. I do have quite a huge amt in my EPF, but I have always viewed any instrument in the RM has a higher tendency to lose out in the long run because of the weak currency. Hence, I have forgotten abt my EPF.

On yr international shares, even if it has fallen by abt 12.5%, if you are still in the black, I believed it is still okay. Yr function would then be to see how 'strong' your portfolio is in these times of meltdown.

Generally, if one is keen on retirement, I'm afraid he needs to figure out how to continue generating survival income WITHOUT falling-back on employment income.

A threshold needs to be crossed, no need to be a billionaire but at least a threshold needs to be crossed, depending on one's needs.

But yr plans are sound, and yr circumstances are strong,... you can postpone retirement if you wished to,... a great job is always there for you. This is very safe, compared against my friends in many countries today who are anxious abt redundancy.
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I am still adding into my retirement bottom line by contributing to the max on my super (only A$25k and after the 15% tax comes down to A$21.25k) so it is still not too bad as i have a lot of buffer to save more (outside super). It is only a bit frustrating to see my balance go down so much where for the past 8 years, the bottom figure is always increasing year after year and it increased my risk taking appetite to an unhealthy level. If the market goes down another 25-30%, i think i should still be okay (for my retirement) as i have quite a lot of buffer builtin. If the market rebounds the next couple of years, that will be a bonus.
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post Mar 9 2020, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Mar 9 2020, 01:54 PM)
When you say you are still okay as you have quite a lot of buffer built-in for your retirement, do you mean to say that the passive cashflow that you will be generating from your nestegg is enough for retirement, or do you mean to say that you can safely withdraw a certain amt every year from the nestegg, and it will last you for a period beyond your estimated lifespan ?
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Last month i would have been able to get about rm15.7k/mth from my retirement funds (passive income) and if i calculate it now, that income has now dropped to rm13.9k/mth if i stop working today. I was aiming for at least rm17k/mth which is why i deferred my retirement. I probably only need rm10-12k/mth for my lifestyle (living in KL) as i am quite a thrifty person - most of my money in retirement would be used to help family members. I only realised that in Msia helping out older family members is part of the culture - i have a sister here in Sydney who is 71 with 2 kids and she gets close to A$900/wk from welfare(with her husband and an autistic son). I never imagined that i will have to help family members in Msia. It is only after going back to KL quite regularly the last 12 mths, i realise that there are a lot of people struggling financially in old-age in KL.

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post Mar 10 2020, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(kagenn @ Mar 10 2020, 08:25 AM)
Can't wait to eventually build passive income similar to the ones you guys talk about. Great motivation to keep growing and improving financially. I'm placing a bit more cash into Selfwealth in preparation to buy some ETFs as I continue to monitor the drop in price.

That's a lot of money to support family - I am expecting to support my mother only in the future as my father is doing quite well. Only one brother in KL and he's doing alright too - as long as Msia doesn't go down any major changes soon & the Covid-19 is affecting his income as he works for Airasia. Hoping to eventually bring my mother over but that's a lot of money to collect. Effectively spending as much money for down payment of a property to get the parent(s) visa.

The cost of living is KL isn't cheap either, it feels more affordable here in Aus. Might be the same case if it's in the smaller cities or towns outside of the major hubs. Probably harder to tell if one doesn't go back to Msia often enough to feel it..
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Baby boomers are the lucky generation. When i started working, couples could easily pay off their homes in under 10 years - nowadays that is impossible to achieve esp in Sydney. Most younger people want to pay off their mortgage first before thinking about their retirement fund so they have no choice but to delay putting more into super until maybe their 50s. In the earlier days, baby boomers could start putting money (into super) in their 40s and the compounding is very significant - like in my case, my super more than doubled in the last 5 years (ignoring what happened in the last couple of weeks). That is why the earlier we start putting money into super, the bigger your pot of super will be at retirement.
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post Mar 10 2020, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Mar 10 2020, 11:26 AM)
Tq Gary for your replies,... you should be comfortable with that amt in KL if you watch your spendings,... I think,... but every individual's circumstances is different.

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When i started out in this forum (Jul 2017), i came to LYN to find out the cost of living in KL so naturally threads regarding cost of living really interested me.

I have been back to KL for quite a few times in the past 3 years each time staying about 5-7 weeks. I wrote down everything i spent while in KL but obviously we tend to spend more when we are on holidays and it is quite difficult to judge how much i will need without actually living there. I saw a lot of old people in KL with hardly any savings - shit!! This reqlly scared me as in Aust, we can fall back on the aged-pension. Also, i can see some of my relatives struggling financially (aged in the 70s) and i realise that they will probably expect me to help out as i am financially a lot better. In Aust, there is so much govt welfare relatives usually don't need help from each other. I became a bit insecure (financially) after seeing so many people struggling in KL (esp since i will probably lose my PR as i probably cannot meet the 2/5 years stay requirement). I do not want to end up like these people. Due to this insecurity, i find that it is probably better if i work longer so that there will be a bigger buffer if anything goes wrong in later years.

Good to hear your opinion. Thanks.

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post Mar 11 2020, 01:23 AM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Mar 10 2020, 10:32 PM)
you should consider the option of naturalising in Oz, and use MM2H to stay in Msia....
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After being back in KL on so many occasions in the last 3 years (and looking the situation), i must say i agree with you.

This is also the advice of most of my family members.

Getting up in the middle of the night to look at the Dow Jones index. doh.gif
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post Mar 13 2020, 05:57 AM

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Aussie dollar dropping badly US62.79

Looks like we have to work a lot harder nowadays. My University has just sacked 10 contractors (mostly project managers and security (IT) enhancement) - all earning good package. More likely to leave - hopefully it will become my turn. rclxm9.gif

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