Hi all,

I'm currently in the market for a new laptop and seriously need some advice. My main concern isn't the technical specifications, but more to reliability, stability and in the case of a MAC, its user-friendliness and ease of change from Windows to Mac.

As a 'loyal' PC-based user, I'm once again questioning my loyalty to Unc Bill. I have in the last 24 hours, gained some knowledge about MACs through some of the related threads here, esp the "MacBook/MacBook Pro Users" and through MAC 101 just so i won't come across to all you experts here as 'naive' or 'stupid'

My main concern is mostly the fact that I'm a TOTAL illiterate when it comes to MAC products hence would like to know how difficult it would be to get used to the new OS platform?

PS: I am aware that XP's runnable on the MB/MBPs through bootcamp [though i've no idea what bootcamp is *oops*] but let's leave that advanced topic for another time. For now, just provide me with whatever U think I should know.

If you're smart and keen, using Mac is not an issue at all.

I got a great offer last time for MBP at less RM400 market price, omg you didn't see it? (Offer is over)

Speaking of running Windows on Mac, you can also have Parallels.

Basically, Bootcamp allows you to boot into different OS in Mac Machine, while Parallels allows you to launch different OS while you're running Mac OS. Get it?

First, find yourself a reason to try Mac OS. It looks cool to carry a MBP, but not on dummy's hand. No offense.

i would scrap out this sentence if i were you. Being cool to carry a MBP? its not being cool, its being different.

My advice to the original poster is : visit a mac center, try out the OSX, play around the expose, love the dashboard, ask more about bootcamp and windows migration. After that , decide your budget and your needs.. theres mac book and mac book pro for you to choose.

Jargon guide : bootcamp is like a boot loader manager which makes your a windows partition in your mac and allows you to install and boot windows. Parallels in the ohter hand is like a emulator of Windows in OS X, allowing you to run windows based application without booting into Windows itself.. but with limited performance.

This post has been edited by onscreen: Dec 4 2006, 05:08 PM

wanna ask.. other peripheral like printer and scanner izzit all can be used in MAC? how to know which are not?

Check it at the product website -> drivers or try the customer support. Also, you can use goggle to find if your product is compatible to mac... type in your model number, brand, Macintosh ... thats how i do my search when i first bought my Mac 4 yrs back.

Heislyc,

Thanks for the explanation on bootcamp and parallel.

I'm hoping to 'find' the reasons here, hence initiated this thread .

Also, I ain't considering it just cause most people think it's 'gaya'. What's the point of looking stylishly cool if it's a white elephant? Might as well just get a shell for that purpose, right?

onscreen,

Will definitely try out the OSX when I can.

My current shortlist of notebooks are:-
1) Sony Vaio (SZ38GP) - 13.3", 1.7kg
2) Sony Vaio (FE38GP) - 15.4", 2.8kg
3) MacBook Pro 609ZP/A - 15.4", 2.6kg
4) Fujitsu - 13.3"/14.1", 1.8kg (C2D isn't available yet so can't compare)

Maybe I should save everyone the trouble and tell myself it's way too troublesome to even consider a Mac? Am already looking like this

Looking for Mac products is simple. All you gotta do is google. Say you want an FTP client, just google "ftp mac". IRC client? then google for "IRC mac". It's that simple. All you need to do is add a "mac" word behind what you're looking for. Try out the apps and see which one fits your needs. Don't like a certain app? Just dump it into Trash. No harm done. I hope this answers your question to Mac products. Cheers.

I recently switched from PC to OS X. GOt myself a MBP 2.16Ghz,just like the one on your list. Yes It might be costly to get it, but if u compare it with other Windows Bases laptops with similar specs, The price range is more or less in par.

Mac Os X is a plug and play OS. U will have most of the essential tools u need right out from the box. I experienced it first hand when i was setting my wifi/lan network between my MBP and windows based PC. Being a Windows guy for 10 years and Mac for a few days, I find it easier to configure The MAC than my PC.

On the plus side,you can always switch back to windows with your Macbook/pro if you dont like OS X. Whereas other windows based laptop will have difficulty running MAC OS X. U get the best of both worlds with Intel Based Macbook/Pro

Visit http://www.mymug.org for more information and user feedbacks about apple products.

First off, what is your purpose of getting the mac? Gaming? Photoshopping? Trying for new os experience?

If your into casual gaming, the macbook 2ghz core 2 duo or macbook pro 2.16ghz is sufficient. If your into battlefield 2142, fear and all the stuff don't bother getting the mac. The graphics card is always a letdown, personally, if not for the intel gma950 and instead a discreet graphics card, i would get the macbook. The grapics card on macbook pro doesn't seem enough for my hardcore gaming hehe. I recently saw the hp dv9000 and i was like , a gaming laptop!

If you just wanna make the switch for fun and for everyday activities like email, p2p illegal downloads , burning disc and the stuff, get the macbook cd/c2d.

BTW: Macbook is selling for RM3000+ for the coreduo version!

N0eL,

Hope you're having loadsa fun with your new toy. From the way you'd put things, I am assuming it shouldn't be too difficult to operate from the Mac platform, and primary setup's a breeze.

Any particular 'tips' u'll like to share? And anything else I ought to brace myself for should MBP turn out to be the Champion? I guess I'm here just to seek 'solace' - at the very least I won't feel guilty for not having done any research before making this purchase

Keith,

I've shortlisted the Mac because I need a replacement to my current laptop. As highlighted by N0eL earlier, if you compare specs for specs alike, the prices between a Windows-based laptop and the Mac isn't too great. In fact, if you take into consideration the 'other' stuff [other than the fact that Mac comes only with 2 USB ports ], I dare say Mac's probably cheaper than Fujitsu's 14.1" yet-to-be-launched C2D model.

I'm definitely NOT a gamer, and do NOT intend to start gaming on this new laptop. It'll probably be more for everyday activities like what you mentioned, and if time permits, I do have intentions to learn how to use the Adobe CS2 programs [then again, the damn program's been installed on my home pc for abt 1 year now but I prob opened it uhm, less than 5 times?! so as u probably can tell, that part's really and totally 'optional']

I honestly think the MB is a pretty good buy other than the fact that I find 512MB RAM insufficient for my needs - I'm looking at min 1GB RAM and C2D 2.0GHz [I'm sure I'll definitely appreciate the additional 2MB cache RAM]. Don't ask me why I need something that's so fast - guess I'm just 'kiasu' - it's all Intel's fault. If not for the additional 2MB cache RAM i'd even settle for the C2D 1.83GHz *siGh*

This post has been edited by tinkerbel: Dec 4 2006, 07:29 PM

We as newbies of the Apple phenomenon need 1 thing~! After sales support. Mac dealers in Malaysia are known for their bad virtues/services. Therefore choosing the right company to deal with is essential. PM me for the right ppl to deal with.

IF you have decided on a MBP, i would suggest you to request for a "Matte" LCD screen instead of a glossy one. It's true that glossy screen provide better colour representation, but it also reflect light at certain angles thus render the screen unseeable.

Good luck~!

me is the new "switcher", change to mac because want to have a laptop that is worth the technology and not just some branding... after looking out vaio, hp, dell, compaq, and IBM, finally settle on apple because the hardware technology offers are simply too "irresistible"... isight, magnetic power plug, slot in cd rom, keyboard highlight and light sensors ... these are creatively built-in to make our life easier (not to miss iLife) ...

i have used windows and linux as my desktop OS for more then a decade and i can tell, OS X is for the idiot ! yes, it is so easy to used that even my grandma know how to use it... (just a example ... ) i only spend less then a week on it and i think i have learn far more then spending a decade learning how to use windows...

application wise, due to the nature of OS X (darwin), open source apps available on the internet and just need you to google around to get it... for the activity you mentioned that you will be doing on the net, you will find not only a lot of options but finding which are more creatively suit your needs and eye (right, the cool graphics) ...

if budget is not a concern, get a mac... if you regret later the OS X is not for you (which i doubt so), just install boot camp and it is windows ready...

Yeah.. I thought the light sensor and luminous functions not available for Macbook were useless. It's definitely features that all laptop should have...

mymac,

You give me the impression that you have some knowledge of PC before making the switch to Mac [I've heard of Linux but i'd never used one before]. And from the way you're explaining, I think I shouldn't have too much problems switching to a Mac - and if i do, at the very least I know who i can call upon [I'll look u up, even if ur gonna laugh at me or ask me to refer to ur grandma ]

Now, moving on to Applications and more advanced stuff [whatever it maybe], I shouldn't find it too much different from Windows-based right? I mean, taking earlier advice from aMDCoPPer, just need to put in the mac in my search, and ensure the applications i'm downloading is MAC 'versionalised'

N0eL,

I'm bound to look you up too. Maybe I should start scouting around for a 'si-fu' who'd teach me what I need to know about a Mac too? I read somewhere about the glossy screen thingy you mentioned. MB comes with glossy screen whereas for the MBP there are 2 options to choose from, and as much as I don't remember what the other one is called [u mentioned matte though], the gloss ones weren't recommended. Is that what u were referring to?

There's a default build for macbook that comes with 2ghz c2d and 1gb of ram .

It's all down to the user's perferences actually, some people actually like the glossy sceen display

This post has been edited by KTay: Dec 4 2006, 11:51 PM

Confirm, as long as you still keep a pc with windows""

Keith,

Yup, I do know about the default MB build. The thing about that is the Graphics Card and the screen size. I'd rather much prefer the MBP but i suppose if i decide not to want to spend too much, the RM5299 model is another option.

And may I ask, what's your screen preference? Glossy or Matte? Any particular reason?

Ahh something to talk about.

Ok, i prefer matte screen surface since glossy is known as "artificial color screen" It have slightly stronger brightness and low viewing angle. In the other hand, matte screen have wider viewing angle and dimmer screen.

Usually, people dont care about screen surface unless you are a specific type of user who moves around and relies on enviroment lighting alot then glossy is way to go.

Matte surface in the other hand is for those who work long hours on the computer and stares at texts, colors, moving images alot. And this falls on me too. Anyway, what i wrote above is my opinions and opinions / comments that i have asked from my colleagues.

Hope this will roughly know how matte and glossy surface works. Currently my Acer is matte screen while i have an Alienware laptop thats glossy.

onscreen,

I hate to have to ask u this but what would the Sony Clear Bright Display monitor be - glossy or matte?

It's hard for me to comment on this but on my next visit, I'll definitely ask them to show me the difference between the gloss and matte screen. Er, could you also enlighten me a little on what u mean by 'environment lighting'?

I move around quite a bit but unless environment lighting here means places not conducive for reading/using a pc, i should be fine. And I guess I can be considered a rather 'hard core' user on this new machine, esp if it's gonna be a Mac. Will prob sacrifice a few nights to figure out the new toy

Hey...If you found yourself a sifu,do invite me to join the class. I need help as much as you do.

For glossy screen. When the source of light is behind you, you'll see reflection of the light and probably a shadow of yourself on the screen instead of the display unless you change position. The Mac guy I dealed with recommended a matte screen coz there were cases where customers came back to complain about not being able to see the screen when they are out at cafes and hotspotz area.

ok, time to go step by step.

Sony clear bright must be a display enhancement .. which i am not too into that at all. The screen surface isnt affected.. if i remember correctly.

Its easy to find out the glossy and matte surface which is by the viewing angle. Walk around and look at the screen, matte surface have a reported 176 degrees of viewing angle.. while glossy have way lesser. Maybe the others have other methods to share

My definition of environment lighting is the lighting situation of the place you use the laptop.. is it dim? very bright with spotlights? etc etc...

N0eL,

Will do but until I find a si-fu who's willing to work on teaching me more about Mac, I'm gonna have to call on you - and the rest here . You're right about the service and support. Coming from the service industry, I am kinda particular about getting useful support - esp since I probably be using it quite a bit [though I doubt I'll call to ask why the machine isn't functioning when power source is unavailable ]


onscreen,

The Sony one is probably an enhancement but i really ain't too sure. I'm not too much into monitors either but must admit I've no problems with the Sony Clear Bright Display monitors.

I've no idea what my current Fujitsu is but compare it with the current ones (and the Sony monitor), the screen on my Fujitsu's a little dim for my liking - then again, that was 'ancient' technology but i sure have taken note of this.

I'm assuming the Matte's probably the better one with greater viewing [and since it's available as option on the MBPs]?

Ok, besides screen can someone tell me if there's an equivalent of Microsoft Access on Mac? If my memory doesn't fail me, the last time I checked, I remember someone telling me it's not available though Word, Excel & Powerpoint's available.

Matte vs glossy: there isn't a clear winner, it is usually up to the user. From what I gather, glossy screens have deeper colours hence look a lil better but the problem with glossy is reflection when you use your laptop outdoors. Personally, I use Matte.

And yes, there is NO Microsoft Access on Mac. If you really need to use MS Access then you could try BootCamp, Parallels or CrossOver. If you prefer to work natively on MacOS X then you could try NeoOffice, an aqua port for OpenOffice. So far there's no sign of Access coming into Office 2007 for Mac, reason being the difficulty to port over because Access uses the Jet database that is built into Windows.

Hope this helps, cheers.

Hmm.. so you're worried about things from switching to Mac right till the screens? Weird... but anyway. If you have the time, myMUG has a monthly meet up for Mac Users in BSC and one separate meet up for those who might want to pick up software developing as a hobby.

Personally, I've used both platforms. If you're someone who has common sense, then you really shouldn't have any problems 'switching' at all. After all, it was Apple (who took the drag and drop, point and clicky thingy from Xerox) and it was Microsoft who later took the same thingy and implemented it into Windows. The key is to have an open mind and be willing to learn. A lot of Windows users are narrow-minded. While that statement isn't meant to say that they're bad or they suck, it's just that they're so used to using Windows and having things done a certain way till they find it really hard to learn a new way (and much simpler way) to get things done.

Perhaps, it would help as to why you wanna switch to using a Mac? If you have a purpose, it's easier to point you into the right direction. Everyone has their reasons for using a Mac. Some, because it simply looks good. Some, because of the OS. Others because whatever reasons.

azxel,

Will definitely get into myMUG as soon as I can find the time. Nah, the matte/gloss screens aren't part of me worry - it was just a topic that came up.

Well, I like to think I've got common sense and I'm the type who likes changes; especially for the better. My only and main worry is not being able to do my own troubleshooting, and knowing which or what programs to use but i think the latter can be easily resolved; esp with the availability of forums here.

I'm definitely a willing student, just need to find a very patient and willing teacher that's all

I was considering the iMac last year mainly because I wanted to learn the graphic applications [Adobe CS2], plus obviously the iMac would enhance the look of my room as compared to d usual 'box'. However, I made my final decision based on price and thus got the usual 'box' instead.

This time however, it was a mere fluke. I didn't look at Mac initially because my perception was that it's premium priced but after having made the price comparisons with the pc-based notebooks (as detailed above), it was quite at par.

I guess my only reason for considering this switch is due to the price vs its specs. Admittedly, I'm driving myself crazy giving myself so many options; I'll like a big screen but I don't like the weight

Guess I'm just being a typical 'woman' here, ain't it?

Myself was a PC to Mac user- all i can say is, you would have wished you got the mac sooner. here are some pro and cons in your 1st 2 weeks using macs

Pros
1-U get into wifi zone using one click only
2-Stable OS and zippy response


Cons
1-u will scour the net to find all the necessary apps you had when u were using windows
2 - u keep looking for the scandisk and defrag tool
3 - all ur apps dun close as u keep minimizing them into the dock
4- not easy to connect to a windows/office network

carpathia,

It's a good thing I'm not running too MANY applications [or at least I don't think i am!]. I prob hope to use whatever software that comes bundled with the Mac - other than for the rest. Speaking of which, I do know there are limitations when it comes to applications for Mac but I don't think there'll be an 'oh-so-common-application' today that won't have an equivalent for Mac users, right?

Yes, I am aware after having gone through MAC 101 that applications are minimised to dock unless you command quit it.

Er, just how difficult would it be to connect to my office network - which is primarily windows based? It's a one-time off config or do I have to re-map drive each time?

Appreciate your reply

Windows laptop usually come with practically nothing.

in the Mac, wow so many things. i just got my macbook and it was great!! of course, it's not my 1st time using, cos i've used ibook before but only this time i get to explore it deeper and i really like it.

furthermore, there's terminal!! being a linux user, mac OS isn't that much of a problem.

if you want it for entertainment - macbook has it all, a lot of cool apps in there already.

not sure about pirated mac os apps cos i never look for them anyway, you'd probably be able to get student price of MS Office / Adobe apps.

APPS - This is good news! - unless u r using some special apps from your company, then u r outta luck.


each windows network will require a one time off setting- u dun have to remap the drive each time/

so.. for you, it's a con that your apps don't close when you minimise them into the dock? Doesn't that happen to when you minimise your apps into that task bar thingy on windows?

erm.. why do you keep lookin for scandisk and the defrag tool? we don't need it!!

azxel- its not really CONS but more of what the user will encounter in his/her 1st 2 weeks of using mac.

Tinkerbell- go and get your mac already! u can thank us later!!!

Hmm.. learning Graphic Software is one thing but mastering is another. I do hope that you're a graphic design student or at least in advertising or graphic designing.

There are alternatives to Microsoft Office such as Think Office which I hear is about RM100+, Neo Office, Open Office and even AppleWorks. hehe

I believe that the Macbook Pros are quite light. Even the Macbook was rather light (I helped carry a box that contained it the other day and was wondering if there was even a Macbook in it.)

bah.. buy Quad Mac Pro.. just like me

Open Office is the best.. been using it for 2 yrs now and still loving it.

show off la you Leo...
come, PM me your address... I come RAMBO your Quad Mac Pro...

Easy la, have to obey the rules of LYN forum... i go back to mymug and resume this chat there Since now i have less burden now.. can spam i mymug again

oh.. you can spam here... easier for me to report you and have you banned.. hehehe hardly see you at mymug also.. ish...

anyway, threadstarter for more mac news and info.. check out www.macsurfer.com the only place I go to for mac news.

Btw, Quad Mac Pro is for desktop version. TS looking for lappie

Well, i will get myself a macbook by next year, hopefully the next generation macbook will be equip with X3000 (Intel next generation integrated graphics) just like next generation of Centrino Lappie (codenamed "Santa Rosa") ). Personally i hoping macbook will equip with Quad-core, but don't think it's possible cos' it will be too hot and battery issue. Right now i just playing with Hackitosh

This post has been edited by allvin: Dec 5 2006, 06:24 PM

ahh.. a peaceful thread with no fanboyism and unnecessary flaming. i like..

tinkerbel, i think you'll be just fine switching to mac. it's just a different environment. getting used to it would be just like getting used to windows the first time you use it. i'm not a mac user (soon.. i hope..) but i reckon you can accomplish almost anything on a mac that you could on a pc.

i have to agree with azxel, people have their own reasons for choosing any operating system, be it mac, windows or linux. i'd say engineers who run simulation specific programs like ANSYS, matlab and moldflow would prefer a windows platform, graphic designers would prefer mac for its accurate color reproduction (someone told me this, so do correct me if i'm wrong guys) and open-source activists would of course choose linux.

i'm a regular user who surfs the net, write reports, watch some movies and play some decent games on my notebook. i'm using windows, and soon, Godwilling, a mac. i won't call it a switch, for i'll keep using my windows notebook. i just think it's fun to learn something new... don't you? oh yeah, besides all that, i think mac is sexy! can't help it, i'm a sucker for anything shiny! hahaha...

This post has been edited by fortynine: Dec 5 2006, 10:58 PM

MB has a slighly powerful spec than SONY etc etc in the market now....with the same price range

for me..if i dont feel like having a Mac OS..might as well just install WINXP in it.

Worth the money!!!!

This post has been edited by Acquiesce: Dec 5 2006, 10:02 PM

*Ugh* I leave for a meeting and when I return I find myself lagging way behind on this thread

fortynine,

Most graphic-based designers prefers Mac because the system's faster, plus it gives better 'precision' - ok, that's not entirely the right word but I'm sure u know what i'm talking about. Accuracy in colour reproduction comes mainly from the screen. However, there's quite a big group of graphic design students today who operates from windows-based pc. Perhaps the cost of a Mac is just too high for most. But 'high-flyers' within the Creative Industry are mostly avid Mac users.

allvin,

I suppose since you're gonna wait till next year for the X3000 and "Santa Rosa", u may also want to wait for them to introduce the 888MHz front bus speed. I was told to wait but i figured there's no way of keeping up-to-date with latest technology. My theory, or at least I tell myself there's really no best time to get something Personally, I believe the quad core will be introduced to lappies, they probably be called Core 3 Duo or maybe Core 2 Duo 2/3/4? *shrugs*

Er, what's Hackitosh?

onscreen,

Is OpenOffice compatible with Microsoft Words? I guess I'm asking about Mac Office because my proposals and files need to be shared mainly amongst Windows users.

azxel,

Nah, I've absolutely no intentions of mastering the graphic softwares - leave the professionals to it - i'll stick with what I know best. But would like to know the basics of it - then again, like i said, I have the program installed on my desktop. I just never got into the mood of trying it out

The MBP's 2.54kg if I'm not mistaken - I wouldn't say it's light [current laptop of mine weighs 1.7kg] though most 15.4" screens in the market today are averaging 2.8kg.

So, actually-ah, is it possible for me to find bootleg application softwares out there? Don't lah ask me to buy Mac Office - no $ oredi leh

Acquiesce,

If gonna get a Mac to install XP, might as well just get the a Windows-based pc. Some more got Vista coming up - but beware, if you're gonna run Vista, make sure you have sufficient RAM otherwise u'll regret even installing it

Actually, for the color accuracy, it's mainly because the Macs were the forerunners for design. There is a difference between using a Mac and Windows for designing. Currently, in my work place, I use a Windows-based machine for designs and I can tell you that it really sucks.

The whole opening of files by double clicking it is really scewed up. An Illustrator EPS file is often opened in Photoshop because of the .eps extension. If it's changed to 'Use Illustrator' to open, then Photoshop EPS files are then opened on Illustrator... it's really frustrating. Also, on Photoshop (Mac), I distinctly remember that I can Use Command +/- to enlarge the size of the image and the image will increase in size, as would the window which the image is within but... on Photoshop (Windows), the image enlarges but the window remains the same size, meaning I've to manually increase the window by dragging it... that really sucks.

There are also several other issues that really sucks. Can't recall. hehe... but know this, mouse tracking on a Mac is really (or rather feels) accurate, compare to that of Windows. There's a certain feel when you move the mouse around on a Mac. I can't really explain it but it simply feels more 'solid' and robust.

It is however true that most supplier these days use a PC to RIP the files, especially large format printing but majority of those in color separation all use Macs for DTP.

i made my first plunge into the world of Mac OS X with the MacBook, when it first hit our shores a few months back. The Core 2 Duo has recently been launched, and i can't help but feel proud to be a Mac convert. Heck, i've even convinced some of my friends to take the plunge too!
It's just so much easier to use... and there's not spyware / virus etc. to be worried about. For everyday applications - surfing internet, watching movies, online banking etc. it's 100% perfect!

Open Office is compatitble with MS Word.

1.7kg? What laptop are you currently using? Lemme guess... one of those Fujitsu? A fragile looking 13" Vaio? Both cost a bomb... and only comes with integrated graphic chip?

azxel,

Apologies. I meant to say the accuracy in colour reproduction has all to do with the monitor screen in use when viewing the document - maybe, just maybe the accuracy on an Apple screen's better than the usual LCD monitors. If i'm not mistaken, CRT monitors are way better when it comes to colour accuracy - can someone confirm this?

Ah, you described my term 'precision' in the most accurate manner [well, then again u ARE a Graphics Professional!] . I think most people are trying to get away with using Windows-based applications in the Creative studios due to it being cheaper than the Macs but ah well, it hasn't been easy finding new blood who's trained on a Mac. Most can use the CS2 programs but functions mainly on windows-based and when they change to Mac, I find them seriously slow. Well, at least they can operate a Mac - then again, if you can use Illustrator on a PC, u probably be able to adapt to using Illustrator on a Mac. I just don't know how to use Illustrator only mah. Give me Office and I bet I be able to adapt quickly too

artyca,

Any problems with the MB getting too hot? I thought I read that, and that's an issue I haven't quite addressed yet. Also, what about battery lifespan?

And since I'm talking about batteries here, what is the rough lifespan of a Mac battery? And what's the 'replacement' cost of one? Also, I know the MBP comes ready with a Video Adapter [or whatever u call it] but the S-Video cable is not bundled along with it. Is this particular cable special for Mac or can we use just any S-Video cable? Ok, I basically need to know how much that's gonna cost as I probably be using that too.

azxel,

Open Office is compatible with MS Word? Even the formatting remains? Okie, that ought to be good enough to know. I do know sometimes when I export my Word documents to a Mac machine, the apostrophes (') comes out looking weird, as in some ASCII character.

Er, Open Office got MS Excel also? Er, or to make things easier, can get uhm... much much cheaper Mac Office from around or not ah? Would that be safe?

Yes, I'm currently using the 1st Generation of Centrino introduced laptop by Fujitsu. Fujitsu's weight's pretty standard at 1.7kg for the 13.3" and 1.8kg for the 14.1". And YES, cost me a bomb too but I was looking for a light-weight one then due to frequent outstation travelling. You seem to be pretty familiar - wanna tell me what screen that is? I find it a little too dim... be it matte/gloss/watever it is [doubt it's gloss though!]

it works differently on different OS, that doesn't make it SUCKS. for example, if i'm a Windows photoshop user switching to Mac - i'd probably say it sucks too. and vice versa.

IMO it's not a matter of MAC or PC. photoshop is still photoshop, the color output IMO relies pretty much more on a quality display panel more than anything else - in this case the Mac is great, i like their monitors.

however i'm using Windows for my design work most of the time and now the unit is equipped with my Dell 2007WFP - very happy.

btw check this out - DELL vs APPLE display panel
http://anandtech.com/displays/showdoc.aspx?i=2400

is it 100% compatible?


oh btw i'm not a Windows fanboy. i'm a user of both (and bring in Linux too!!), just haven't tried photoshop on Mac cos you know la. $$$$$. i like my Mac, i like my PC.

Tinkerbel... initially, the MB ran rather hot... but after getting the firmware updates from Apple, the fan runs more regularly and i do notice that it runs cooler these days.
Battery lifespan?? Err... i'm plugged into the AC adaptor 90% of the time so i can't really comment. I do believe that it should last for about 3 hours on a single charge...

Overall lifespan?? Who cares?? Use it, throw away and get a new one

Your other question regarding S-Video out... err... gotta get back to you on that!

I like this thread as well.. Personally, when comes to open a thread like this, there's surely got fanboy (either win or mac side).. Hate most


I choose to wait it's because of the spec, especially GMA950. On the other hand, MBP is definite out of my budget. I just want a descent GC mobility which can perform a bit better in gaming. I'm not a hardcore gamer. When i heard about X3000, which impress me. It support HDR & SM3, which is more powerful than my current 9550 engine which only SM2 And hopefully the new chipset also using DDR3 ram. Darn crazy... Anyway, *if* by that time, macbook price is similar like now but with all those goodies, i'm so eager to get it. At least it suit for me

Hackintosh AKA OSx86 can be install in our current machine. But don't expect about the performance. It will be darn slow than a real mac. I have been using or testing OSx86 since last year ago. More details

I second that. I'm not sure about now, i know apps like autocad which only for win. Even you are a macfanboy, and if let say you need use autocad, you still need go winxp. No choice, but to live with it. After all, mac os, winxp and linux, all three are just tools for human

depends on what you're running of course, and there's a setting for batteries in system preference.

For the strangest reasons, when u work the processor like mad, ie. encode a bunch of videos, etc... the fan kicks in real strong n the machine is super cool... on a separate note, like wat artyca said, the firmware updates is really good... now i can put the MB on my lap!... hahah...

Thr're no S-Video output.. wat u wanna get if u wanna connect to the TV is the Mini-DVI to Video Adapter... mind u, no apple retailers carry this product in KL... which is real crap if u ask me.. i got my friend to get it for me frm Sg... costs SGD34.. and it works FANTASTIC!... but the thing is, u wont get the full screen on TV... wat i mean is tat if ur TV's 29 inches, wat u'll see is 28inches... no loss in quality tho...

n if u create some shortcuts in ur movies folder to ur external hdd, u can hook ur MB to the tv.. power up FrontRow.. n lean bacck in ur couch n enjoy..

artyca,

Guess I'll just have to tell the shop to ensure the necessary 'whatever'-wares are updated when I make my purchase.

Well, I do care about the overall lifespan of battery - first 'chiplak' laptop I used [dun even remember the brand.. Twinhead I think] had very lousy battery lifespan. The following ones; being Fujitsu is great!

Ok, I got the ansewr on the S-Video oredi. It's apparently a generic cable so can get from anywhere; thank God it's not proprietorship to Apple. Apple too many propriertorship stuff... worst than Sony

Took me quite a while to figure out what fanboyism is but after reading allvin's reply my suspicions been confirmed

allvin,

You sure seem to know quite a bit about the hardware stuff - U sent to Pluto after reading your reply but well, must admit i did learn something out of it. Though, I probably won't be able to guess what HDR & SM3 is so, be good if u can shed a light on that? Just keep it simple will do. I'm just curious that's all *gulps*

You sure have my utmost for being so patient waiting for the new technologies to be introduced. Actually, I'm wondering if I should hold back buying the Mac until Leopard's been launched? When is it expected to be out anyways? Some say not sure, some say it might be in Jan 07? What'd u experts out there think?

goldfries,

Assuming only the typical work programs (iMail, Safari, Words, etc) are being used, the battery charge should last a little longer right? Then again, it also depends on screen settings and preferences.

3hrs is a little 'short' but well, if that is it, that is it. Besides, I'm pretty much used to lugging along the adaptors and power cords with me. Speaking of which, are the adaptors usable without any 'convertor' in MY?

supafreak,

There's NO S-Video adaptor? But But But how's that so when I'm pretty sure I got that information straight out of one of the Mac sites and noted it down as one a question to ask.

Anyhow, I guess I'll just have to figure out how to get it plugged to the TV - but that's probably a little too advance for me at this stage. Will definitely look you up if i need to. If gotta get the Mini-DVI to Video Adaptor then gotta get lor but i think the MBP comes bundled with uhm a DVI adaptor or something like dat - i'm assuming it's for a different purpose?

So, when are u inviting us over for a movie?

tinkerbel, you don't need to reply 4 times to reply 4 persons. there's always the edit button. i've merged your posts already. easier to read.......for the rest of us.

regarding battery life, IMO 3 hours is long for a notebook. i've tested my macbook - best way to really drain it's power is to play stuff like Big Bang Chess. leaving it on desktop just won't drain the battery fast enough, neither does playing DVD.

naturally - the more resources you use, the faster the battery drains.

as for the adaptors, i just use the default power cables that came with the goods. works fine. just change the connection head.

as for the TV output. i didn't realize macbooks use mini-DVI. thought they'd have DVI already now i end up have to order some mini-DVI adapter.

i'm still thinking of which adapter to get.


allvin, looking for the X3000 with SM3? the thing is, i wonder how fast would applications with SM3 work on the X3000. sure it supports SM3, but how's it's performance in relativity to ATi / nVidia offerings?

goldfries,

Thanks for merging the replies - I tried to do that in one of my previous replies but this time guess i forgot *oops*

I'm assuming 3hrs are estimated based on 'hardcore' stuff? In that case, normal usage say just for surfing purposes at 'dimmer screen' preference should give it up to about 4+hrs? Anyhow, guess it's really not too important though I'll like to have peace of mine knowing I won't need to change batts every year or so. Any ideas anyone?

I think MBP uses DVI, not mini-DVI. Dunno what the difference is, nor have I gone into such advance usage for now

I don't know about u but I'm going to bed now... Nite nite...

tinkerbel... u can get more than 3 hours on a single charge. Just make sure all necessary peripherals are switched off when not used e.g. Bluetooth connection etc.
Anyhow, the power adaptor that comes with the MB is compatible with most plugs. I'm using mine in Germany and it works just fine...

MB uses mini-DVI that's the annoying part - arrgghh i have to spend for the proprietary parts just to output to bigger display units.

http://www.apple.com/macbook/specs.html
Video - Built-in iSight camera; mini-DVI output port with support for DVI, VGA, S-video, and composite video (requires adapters, sold separately)



last i saw, on a full charge the battery was calculated to last 3 - 4 hours.

the 3 hours i mentioned was on minimal usage, eg Safari and other non-draining activities. if no WiFi or any other stuff is needed, you can disable them to conserve more power.

however with games running, the battery could last an hour or 2. games = processors, processes = heat, heat = faster fan, faster fan = more drain. something like that.........

This post has been edited by goldfries: Dec 6 2006, 04:11 AM

Nice thread. Swtiched over to a macbook prior coming here to Malaysia and I can say that I do like it very much. Even though some programs tend to crash. My batter lasts longer than 3 hours but then again I seldom use it as I usually just plug in the power chord most of the time. When it comes to Microsoft Office I recently read an article about changing from Office to other programs. Kinda interesting and you can find the link HERE

IMO to use the word converts or switching camps make one sound like a fanboy / religious-fanatic.

i prefer to use the word 'enlightened' (pardon the corny usage of words) - for me, heck i'm on 3 camps!!!

Ok, I'm gonna attempt at merging my replies - let's hope i don't need another moderator to help me re-edit my posts. Certainly don't wanna be kicked out of this forum!

goldfries,

I've absolutely no idea how you're able to surf without the wi-fi being enabled? Also, need to know if applications like bluetooth are automatically set to on, or like mobile phones, we can enable it whenever we need to use it?

A computer without an Internet is uhm, well to me kinda useless actually! Won't be able to get much work done. Ok, admittedly I'm also used to having the internet at the tip of my fingers - Too bad, I'm not located at the 3G Island.

artyca,

I think the plug points in Germany is different from those in Malaysia. Our typical points are basically the one with 3-square holes (1 at the top, 2 at the bottom). Guess I just need to get this information from the Mac shop but otherwise, will just have to carry an additional adaptor [but the thought of having to carry the additional adaptor just for power source purposes on a daily basis is just *ugh*)

redlum,

What programs are u using that frequently crashes? It's not something common I hear about of Macs. Thanks for the link - I'm definitely more comforted knowing NeoOffice is 100% compatible with Words & Excel. As for Powerpoint, I'll just tell my boss I can't do it anymore because if i do, it won't work on any other PCs in the office

goldfries,

Aren't you lucky you can remain in 3 different camps without being harassed by each other? You'd probably find a total different scenario when it comes to women!

This post has been edited by tinkerbel: Dec 6 2006, 01:54 PM

HAHA!! Seems like i talking geek

Well, i'm not that patient as you think. Just i'm not satisfy with the current macbook, MBP sure satisfy me but on other hand, just look at the darn price. New technology will have a never ending story. Just for your little extra info, by 2008 intel will release new processor again, it's alot smaller size (45nm) and support SSE4. So, will i goin' to wait? Don't be nutz la

Hmm.. rumours about leopard, heard that it goin' release sometime near vista release date. Eithe Jan or Feb. (Hopefully, there's will be hackintosh for leopard as well.. )

Yea.. i got think about that question. Then, of cos the performance will be *sux* than ATI/Nvidia, due to sharememory. As i say before, i not a hardcore gamer. Right now i not satisfy the fact that macbook (w/o pro) will not equip with GC mobility. GMA950 kinda *lame*(that's my thought), as for macbook pro, price too high.

say thank you to Guy Kawasaki, one of the more famous Mac Evangelists of the early days.

ehh i think you understood my post. my point is when you're not using the WiFi (airport) then you can disable it to conserve battery power, same goes to bluetooth.

i've disabled bluetooth. AFAIK bluetooth and airport comes default enabled. you have to disable them.

yup. i'm a supporter of all. i don't like the idea of being a "Windows sux0rz" or "Mac sux0rz" kinda person. the way i see all the OS is that they all have their pros and cons, they were made for one thing or another but neither of them are lousy.

strangely people have been getting ideas that once you switch OS - you're stuck forever. ok well that's true if you have only 1 machine. hehe.

ok. shame i donno who he is prior to this only know Bill Gates and Linus Torvalds........ ok and yeah Steve Jobs.

I think I need to re-plan my time esp if I want to ensure I'm being productive at work - this forum definitely ain't helping me increase my productivity

Doubt there'll be a need to disable wi-fi but bluetooth is prob something I prob can disable unless when necessary. Yeah, there are pros and cons for the different OS but generally people try to use whatever they're used to - my personal theory about Change is that people DO like change, it's just the process of it that they can't seem to stand, hence to simplify things they just tell you they don't like change - and that to me, is total BS

Have no idea who Guy Kawasaki is but to me, he sure sounds like he's related to Honda

No one seem to be able to give me a suggestion as to if I should hang on and wait for Leopard to be released before getting the MBP. For Windows, at the very least I know there's free upgrade to Vista for purchases made now.....

tinkerbel.. do a google for 'Guy Kawasaki'

Well... if you're not in a hurry... then wait a bit for Leopard.

i don't disable my airport either, but hey you never know there might be times when you really need power. saving even a little bit helps.

and about changes, generally people don't like changes as long as it involves
1. additional learning
2. getting used to something (related to #1)

however, people LOVE changes if it involves no effort on their part, eg
1. changing from a 21" CRT non-flat TV to a 42" Plasma TV.
2. changing from XYZ car to ABC car, assuming both are on same transmission balbalbal

azxel,

I'm really an impatient person and when I've set my mind to something, I usually want it yesterday [well, i'm sure that doesn't surprise u too much coming from my line of work]

Anyhow, back to the question of Leopard, how long'd u think i'll need to wait? I know u prob won't know but rough estimate? Wait till Jan 07 maybe still can but if gotta wait till March/Apr 2007, might as well don't buy oredi lah like dat *heh heh*

goldfries,

Exactly my theory of 'It isn't true people do not like changes'. Well, I sure wouldn't mind a brand new BMW 3 series for the price of uhm, a brand new Honda Civic [well, at least I didn't say Proton Saga ok?!]

I also wouldn't mind a 42" Plasma in exchange for the 21" FlatScreen Sony TV that's sitting in my room too *grins*

Tink.. u see... the video adapter has an RCA output as well as an S-Video output... so wat u do is juz to hook the nifty little thing into ur mini-dvi port... connect the RCA/S-Video output to the TV's input... get an audio to RCA connector (for sound...duh..)... and u r all set...

DVI is the big brother of mini-dvi... serves the same purpose... dont hv to look me up when u do decide...

basically, i bumped my MB to 2GB ram... and tat's it... it friggin flies... i initially tot i'll be using windows full time (with Bootcamp) but after a wk on OSX, i deleted the windows partition... oh ya, btw, windows absolutely flies too!... heheh... another reason i took out windows cause i'm juz tired of havin to run the antispyware progs la... defrag la... make sure antivirus is up to date la... get rid of startup processes la... so tat's y lor...

OSX is really good... i only managed to crash my machine 1 time! Honest... and according to my mates, tat's one time too many.... hehhehe... so i'm happy with this switch... :-)

according to the apple website... Leopard should be launched in spring 2007 i.e. May if my guess is right...
If you can wait for another few months, by all means... The additional features that are previewed for Leopard are not something to die for, but the cool factor is certainly high!

good write up on the Star Intech today about Mac Vs PC.

This thread isn't about MAC vs. PCs . Smell trouble coming

Mostly IM-programs. MSN and Adium krashed all the time when I used them. But now I'm using Mercury which is perfectly stable. Firefox also tend to crash now and then. I also had problem with some widgets before that tend to use upp 100% CPU but I turned them off.

supafreak,

Don't worry bt me looking you up for something as 'small' as the MiniDVI and DVI. I'll just ask the shop when I go in and make my purchase of the MBP - am sure they'll be able to show me how to work it. It's definitely gonna be more useful being shown than anything else

At the moment, I've no intentions of running XP on the Mac but, and if the time/need comes I guess I'll just run bootcamp on it and get XP installed but thanks for the info anyways.

Er, and how'd u manage to crash your Mac? What did u do?

Acquiesce,

Am home sick today but will try to get a copy of InTech

Keith,

I don't think Acquiesce is starting a debate on Mac vs PC here. Instead, I think he's just sharing info about an article which appeared in InTech today. Until he starts behaving like a 'fanboy' then we'll decide what we wanna do with him, k?

redlum,

Ah, so ur having programs with IM programs. I did read about the 'not-stableness' of certain IM programs but whilst they're being developed for the better, there are still quite a few options available (though it was pre-warned not to expect great GUI). I think aMSN was recommended as a pretty stable IM program - can a Mac user confirm this please?

I'm assuming Mercury's an IM program too? On XP I'm just running MSN Messenger so I guess aMSN should be sufficient for me, or well Mercury [jots this down in her book!]

Er, I've heard of Firefox but don't quite know what app that is. Oops...
Ok - got it figured. Firefox is a web-browser alike to Safari.

Btw, N0eL's having some issues with Gesture controls on Firefox - anyone can assist? [Now I gotta go figure out what Gesture controls are]

This post has been edited by tinkerbel: Dec 7 2006, 02:03 PM

Am running amsn at the moment. Not much problem so far.Interface is quite similar in comparison to Msn messenger only without those background images. Signup to server quicker than Msn messenger. One of the 3rd party programs with webcam capability.

I have not try other IM programs other than Msn Messenger for Mac(cant connect at all). So can't tell you which one is better.

Firefox is a famous web browser. The windows version is great. But Kinda buggy when it comes to mac. I have problems with shockwaves and flash websites. Need to boot up safari quite often. Still use firefox though due to it's gesture enable functions. Can safari do that too? i gonna ditch firefox~!

N0eL,
My reading and research tells me the current MSN Messenger for Mac is uhm... well, not too good. Connecting in is a problem - it takes ages, so many have abandoned that or just waiting for a better version to come along I guess *shrugs*

Gesture controls aren't something I use so it shouldn't be too big a concern for me. Am on MC today - should perhaps go over to 1U and sit myself down to test out the MBPs

Won't be surprised if I walked out with one too... Then again, I can't leave the house cause sick

Yes, that is correct I use Mercury as it is a MSN-clone. It also have webcam-feature but the most important thing about it is that it logs in quite fast and don't crash. I'm suprised you don't know about Firefox as it is a very popular browser I just find it kinda annoying to switch between safari and firefox. I think that firefox is the better browser but sometimes it crashes so I'm using safari as well.

I really hope that adobe releases the beta soon for the creative suite 3 with intel-support! YAY

tink... the adapter is not sold off the shelf ya... if u can find i totally salute u.. :-) it's so ridiculously simple to use it's erm ridiculous... u juz plug this in plug that in... voila... moving pictures on ur tv...

I'll be trying out Parallels... it seems like an easier solution... but can't say much cause i've not installed it yet... but frm wat i gather so far, it's a pretty good solution... Parallels vs Bootcamp = Virtualization vs dual boot...

Erm... i'll try to remember ya... i was burning a dvd.. i had itunes, safari, skype, azureus, keynote, itunes & can't remember wat else runnin... i was muckin with my azureus... and pointed the save file to my external HDD... oh ya... i was saving some files into my external hdd too... and then for the 1st time ever, the machine froze... cursors moved but nothing else... the dock got stuck... so had to force reboot & reburn my dvd lor...

oh ya... iDVD is the best!... VirtualHUB is amazing too!...

supafreak,
Give ur Mac a break will ya? Though it's supposedly stable, u really don't need to overwork it

I haven't gone into Mac 201 yet so have no idea how Parallel works though in Mac 101 i learnt about it.

redlum,
Adobe Creative Suite 3 with intel-support? Er, what's that now?

This post has been edited by tinkerbel: Dec 7 2006, 07:49 PM

i've yet to crash my Firefox Mac.

I have bought my own MacBookPro , last Monday...hehe

i'm still learning and prepare myself on how to handle my laptop and make things smoother in new environment.

i converted to Mac because i love it and its unique ...huhu

p/s still learning on it

Firefox has been crashing on me and the built-in session manager does not sounds as good (sometimes, i lose a few windows of tabs) as it is ...

i am looking around for other browser to replace it but still yet to find a good one...

ouh kay, lemme go use it more.

EDITED : oh btw, do you people happen to know of any way to not have X11 pop up when running OpenOffice?

This post has been edited by goldfries: Dec 7 2006, 11:07 PM

goldfries,
You don't really want to TRY crashing your Firefox Mac do you?! Then again, go all out and let us know when it happens

mymac,
I just read and was introduced to Camino (www.caminobrowser.org). You may wanna try that out, if you haven't - let me know what you think of it

kevler,
You're still ahead of me. I'm learning about Mac without having purchased the MBP yet! Share with me what you learn `k? I'll definitely appreciate it.

knowing what causes it to crash helps you avoid it.

Adobe Creative Suite LINK

The new version (3) will have intel support making it much faster on intel-based macs! YAY

u gots to overwork the shit out of it to see wat makes it pop girl... though it was completely unintentional...

enjoy ur mbp or watever mac u choose u get... best money i spent on computer to be honest..

tried but my concern is if firefox is too popular the developer might think of stopping it because it really looks like a clone of firefox rather then another browser with different function or purpose...

i did try Opera Browser and the functions it provides is fantastic but my only complain is the interface cant seems to customer. e.g. toolbar cannot adjust (i still prefer the tab bar below the address bar )

i do found another browser that looks promising ... Shiira ... only it lacks the function to restore session... hopefully the developers consider adding it... the graphics is superb ... too bad you can see it for yourself...

in the mean time, i will still be searching for "the" browser ...

tinkerbel,

I can feel the excitement building within you. I had to wait for 2 months+(for C2D and PC fair) before i got mine. It was the hardest 2 months i've ever lived. Moreover, these guys over here are doing a pretty good job luring you to be one of us.

Breath in.. breath out~! Take a little bit more time to consider what you really want.(macbook/macbookpro) coz there aren't much room for you to upgrade those babies.

This post has been edited by N0eL: Dec 8 2006, 01:09 AM

sure ...i need to subscribe mailing list and mac forum for seeking advice



but still, i feel like a newbie, reminds me like old days with Linux ..huhu

Instead of Open Office, you can get NeoOffice. The
latter is a Mac app while OO is more of a UNIX app.
Both are identical in function and compatibility and
are free of charge.

- yap