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 Investors Club V9, Previously known as Traders Kopitiam

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gark
post Apr 12 2017, 02:37 PM

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One thing to warn all investors..

The biggest bomb to look out for in financial statements is perpetual bonds/debt... in which do no which accounting body deem it to be 'reasonable' to include that as an 'asset/equity' for NTA calculation. doh.gif

In which right mind a debt can be considered an asset.. rclxub.gif

Pui... puke.gif

Accountant come mai explain.. laugh.gif

This post has been edited by gark: Apr 12 2017, 02:39 PM
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post Apr 12 2017, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 12 2017, 02:41 PM)
give me an example
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Mah Sing, MAS, genting sinkapo, some local bank forgot already..oh yeah PBB.. brows.gif

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post Apr 12 2017, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 12 2017, 02:58 PM)
So it's like irredeemable preference shares
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The thing is.. perpetual bonds are redeemable... also the interest rate is on step up and goes higher for each period, the company who subscribe it sooner or later need to pay the debt because the interest will get very high.

If you want go read Mah Sing perpetual 6.7% .. after certain years interest can jump to 15% and keep going higher every year... if they don't redeem.

Before pay treat like equity, after pay treat like debt...

You start think accountants draft policy while high on funny water... rolleyes.gif

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post Apr 12 2017, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(lowya @ Apr 12 2017, 02:56 PM)
do u mean the perpetual bond issued by the company or one that the company subscribe to?

from google:
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Company subscribe to, then they put their debt as equity... if redeem straight to current liabilities..

Most company use these to mask/hide their actual debt level...
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post Apr 12 2017, 05:13 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 12 2017, 04:06 PM)
Whose call is it to redeem or not? Is it redeemable at full discretion of the company?

If yes, I think it's fair to treat it as equity.
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Yes at discretion of company...

But the step up interest.. means it not actually perpetual.. just debt in disguise. tongue.gif
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post Apr 13 2017, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(hehe86 @ Apr 13 2017, 12:33 AM)
Paiseh gark, wanna ask a quick question on how you calculate to get the NTA as 14 cents ya? The NTA i know is total equity/total number of shares correct?
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Yes, go read the latest Q report, under equity/total shares.
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post Apr 13 2017, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 13 2017, 02:21 PM)
1 can je??? Kedekut nya ranting.gif
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I see 2 cans there.. plus 1 can voucher and 1 RM 30 voucher.. ok lar.. total value ~RM 50
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post Apr 13 2017, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(zDarkForceSz @ Apr 13 2017, 02:12 PM)
Didn't go HEIM AGM?

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And I thought you so sexy.. wear short pants to AGM. laugh.gif
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post Apr 14 2017, 04:17 PM

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Sila bawak bertenang.. small ity bity correction only. You never seen a real correction yet. tongue.gif

Most market all close due to good friday, not much reference for klci. biggrin.gif

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