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 Investors Club V9, Previously known as Traders Kopitiam

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river.sand
post Feb 28 2017, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Feb 28 2017, 09:36 AM)
Me and my colleague (he's the one analysing the technical stuff e.g. CPO prices, aluminium prices etc while I'm the one analysing the financials) also doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif cos too early took profit on PMetal bangwall.gif

Karex is an obvious choice to dump, a few consecutive quarters of non-improvement

Padini u see it's financials, and u see the crowd at it's Concept Stores :thumbsup:

Now my hand itchy wanna top up...TNLogis vs TaAnn rolleyes.gif
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Padini stores forever got promotion?

How do you see it compared to competitors like H&M and Uniqlo?
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post Feb 28 2017, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 28 2017, 01:53 PM)
H&M and cotton on..

I no longer shop at padini liao..biggrin.gif
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Are the goods of H&M and Cotton On more expensive?
Last 2 years economy bad. When things improve, will consumer preference change?

I also no longer buy Padini working shirts. Cutting not so great, plus I prefer 100% cotton ones.
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post Feb 28 2017, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Feb 28 2017, 02:09 PM)
G2000? Mahal die u sweat.gif
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G2000 also not 100% cotton.

I usually buy Suave, cheapest of all sweat.gif but comfy.
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post Mar 3 2017, 09:51 PM

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We don't say a stock is cheap or expensive lah... We say it's overvalued or undervalued.

Is tnb overvalued? What's its CAGR?
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post Mar 5 2017, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 4 2017, 10:19 PM)
No difference between trader and investor. Both hope to buy at low price and sell later at high price. The only difference is the period of holding.

Long term investor or short term trader both need to consider the TA when entry and exit and also the FA for future price performance.

Unless you are those short term gambling speculator who neither consider both TA and FA but chase price action only. wink.gif

So am i an investor or a trader? I consider myself a bit of both. I have held stocks for more than 10 years and as little as 1 day.

Come let us enjoy the forum and discuss both FA and TA for both investor and trader alike biggrin.gif
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Let's say I study the FA of a stock, and found it to have great potential. Its current price, at 2.22, is also not expensive.

Then I do TA for this stock, and believe that the price could drop. So I wait...

The price, indeed, dropped to 2.20. But TA shows it could go down further. So I wait again...

Then, instead of going down further, the price doubles in 2 years. I miss the boat cry.gif

I have decided that I would rather be pound-wise, penny foolish biggrin.gif


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post Mar 5 2017, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Mar 5 2017, 09:29 PM)
If I went in again and doubled up pretty sure I am sure! Plus I could exit tomorrow and get out with 15% net profit.

But for Bumi Armada my target is seeing it hit RM0.80 by June, and RM1.00 by year's end. My research tells me this is possible. 2016 Q4 was the worst of all quarters, it's a fresh start now.
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You mentioned that you invest based on fundamentals. But bear in mind that price does not always reflect value. It may take longer for the price to catch up with the value. (Which is probably why some of us resort to using TA.)
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post Mar 7 2017, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(hehe86 @ Mar 7 2017, 05:10 PM)
Last time value investing strategy suggest PE below 10 right?

Your criteria of 2Q no improvement, is comparing its previous quarter or same quarter preceding year?

Thanks in advance
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Comparing these two hypothetical stocks:
A - PE 10, growth 10%
B - PE 15, growth 15%

Which do you think is a better investment? tongue.gif
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post Mar 7 2017, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(hehe86 @ Mar 7 2017, 05:38 PM)
I din use cash ratio wan wo. Tak tahu leh lol
Normally to compare is a company making growth, do i need to compare annually, Q-Q or same quarter preceding year?
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For most industry, y-o-y comparison is common.
But for Apple iPhone, q-o-q.

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post Mar 7 2017, 08:03 PM

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QUOTE(river.sand @ Mar 7 2017, 05:21 PM)
Comparing these two hypothetical stocks:
A - PE 10, growth 10%
B - PE 15, growth 15%

Which do you think is a better investment? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(lowya @ Mar 7 2017, 06:27 PM)
assuming both no dividend, i guess same?

ok you made the point wrt gark's concept, which is...

PE cannot be selected without knowing the growth, is that what you try to say?
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Other things equal, Peter Lynch would say B is a better investment.
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post Mar 8 2017, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Mar 8 2017, 11:03 AM)
Boss,  I think I highlighted UMCCA before in this thread. They have branched out to buying plantation land in Indonesia now. Planting young trees. But it may take 1-2 years before we can see the gain. UMCCA is highly recommended by Kenanga and Absolutely Stocks. Potential gain is 11.79%. Fundamentals are strong. But PE ratio 21.47.  doh.gif

Given a choice, I will buy Batu Kawan with a PE ratio of 12.5 but it has not much potential gain for now. Batu Kawan is much more diversified. It has  chemical manufacturing, transportation, property investment, and plantations businesses. Your analogy of eating laksa and curry mee, etc. all in one stall.

I think I will cap my exposure to Taan to 20% of my total portfolio.

P/S: Of course PE ratio is not everything but what do I know rite?  sweat.gif
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Potential gain 11.79% - that is by when?

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post Mar 8 2017, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Mar 8 2017, 11:20 AM)
Thank you sifu for 'putting money into my pocket'.  notworthy.gif
They didn't say wor. Normally they will have a TP. Once it reach the TP, then I guess it is up to the investor whether to sell (trader?) or to hold (long term investor?).
Hi thank you for your input. I appreciate it.  thumbup.gif
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TP by end of this year and TP by end of next year very different wor...
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post Mar 8 2017, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 8 2017, 03:45 PM)
Foofoo, good news for your oil stocks.. last time EIA says world awash in oil and cannot see price going up anytime soon, now changing story jor... give warning pulak..  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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IEA also said by 2050, solar would be largest source of electricity.
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post Mar 9 2017, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(lowya @ Mar 9 2017, 11:45 AM)
which of these winner of stronger USD/MYR would you buy?

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please indicate price of entry also.
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Stronger USD/MYR has been reflected in the prices. Never assume you know something which others don't. Well, unless you have insider info. Or unless Fed rasies interest rate more than 3 times, which is a surprise.

But you can buy for diversification purpose...

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post Mar 9 2017, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Mar 9 2017, 03:57 PM)
Kimlun is bleeding today. Now down -7.63%. Good time to pick up some stocks?  whistling.gif
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Notice that you own Genting. Mind telling us your reasons for investing in this stock?

I used to own GENM, but have sold it.

Take note that while Genting Group boss LKT is the best paid director in Malaysia, all companies in this group give very little dividend. This could have adverse effect on the stock prices.
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post Mar 13 2017, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 12 2017, 06:15 PM)
U talk like that is very dangerous, typical mentality of ppl who get swallowed in MLM schemes. sweat.gif

When u have more control, and u are DILIGENT i.e. put in due efforts, u can potentially earn more.
When u have more control, but you are lazy and/or screwed up big time, your losses can be colossus.

"Lazy" investors are better off paying someone to do it for u, hence the relevance of the unit trust/mutual funds industry.

Don't listen to those sore losers who did not experience it firsthand themselves and only spew cow dungs heard from apeks ahsohs from pasar pagi, there are people who have been consistently beating EPF rate of return with relatively minimal efforts using unit trust funds.
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I wouldn't say unit trust is for lazy people.

If your monthly income is 10k+, but you work 60 hours every week, it may be better to focus on your work than to spend time studying stocks.

Ayam in low income group, so no choice sweat.gif
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post Mar 16 2017, 09:35 AM

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QUOTE(alexkos @ Mar 15 2017, 08:54 PM)
hi bro sis, i new player in stock market. got some money to dump in.

recommend some safe stock pls

conservative, growth stock =D
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Conservative and growth seldom go hand-in-hand.
Try target something with better return than FD...
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post Mar 16 2017, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(zDarkForceSz @ Mar 16 2017, 11:04 AM)
what last to fall  doh.gif
Company's Earning drop will also affect the share price of its own.
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No problem on how you allocate your money since it's your money.
Newbie I think 3-5stocks to monitor is good enough.
But still depends on capital.
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Est. Order Book of 2.4bil:
i)Middle East Region - 905mil
ii)SEA - 593mil
iii)India - 535mil
iv)O&G - 367mil

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That Profit margin around 3%.
One hell of a roller coaster ride.
Goodluck for that one.
IGBREITS price also skyrocket now.
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Sendai order book 2.4 bil.
Normally hong long will the projects last?

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post Mar 20 2017, 01:33 PM

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I remember one of you mentioned KESM. After reading its news in The Star last Saturday, I decided to take a quick look.

The good:
- Its profit growth in the last few years has been phenomenon.
- It's a manufacturer of automotive electronics, which has huge potential due to development of self-driving cars.
- PE is still ok.

However, I have some concerns:
- Unlike profit growth, revenue growth was much lower. Profit growth was largely down to flat cost, but is this sustainable?
- ROE was below 10% until 2015.
- Automotive electronics is a hot industry, so competition could get intensify. Does KESM have economic moat?

What do you guys think? Can enter? unsure.gif

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post Mar 21 2017, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 21 2017, 06:15 PM)
That one is nuts.. i think will drop back soon. Signs of market too hot is coming.

Unloaded tiger bank at 9 today, get some profit first. Will start unloading other stocks too gradually wink.gif
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Waiting for correction? You forgot your siggy?
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post Mar 25 2017, 12:49 PM

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What logistic companies to buy hmm.gif

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http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...f-fundamentals/

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