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Duke Red
post Jun 4 2008, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(boxsystem @ Jun 4 2008, 10:07 AM)
No offense Duke. What have you stated down there all are well known facts. It's hard to cover those. And most of them are related to the personal life of the footballers as I would say it as 'off-field' issues.. But when it comes to comparisons of local talent and foreigners on the field issues, i found that foreigners usually are the limelights. take this dive issue for an example, ronaldo, drogba and gerrard. which of which are always being headhunted as the master of all dives? what about terry? involves in referee's decision in every single match if he could? for example, the incident where he tried to take the yellow/red card away from the ref. why wasn't that being highlighted? as a matter of fact, mascherano became the 'hot issue' in disputing the referee.

can't you see the biasness there? it is very apparent, don't you think?
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Who dives and who doesn't are also well known facts if you watch enough games. It's easier for the media to cover up something that no one saw (i.e. Joey Barton biting Richard Dunne's ear) than a player diving for a penalty while watched by millions all over the world.

I think it's a double edged sword with this issue on foreigners. They do get a lot of good press as well. You see Ronaldo being touted as arguably the best player in the world at the moment. Torres is suddenly one of the best forwards after just one season. Superlatives have been written about players like Dmitar Berbatov, Didier Drogba, Cesc Fabregas, Mathieu Flamini and company.



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post Jun 4 2008, 11:34 AM

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Gerrard dives more than Ronaldo? Sure mate. To each his own. Maybe I'm blind but I fail to see the basis of such an accusation. Someone please enlighten me. I remember how a certain someone goes down under zero contact and stares down the ref as though he had just been up ended.

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post Jun 4 2008, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(kazek @ Jun 4 2008, 11:39 AM)
But then again you're a Scouser. No point trying to convince you.
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Why? Just because you're thick I am too? Never said he doesn't dive but the topic clearly states "who dive's the most". I see you are of the opinion that Stevie dives more the Ronaldo? Good on you then. Let me go out on a limb and assume that you are a manc then?
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QUOTE(kazek @ Jun 4 2008, 11:48 AM)
Didn't imply you're thick. It's just that it would be a lot harder convincing you than it would be convincing someone other than a scouser.

I think you can see where this is going.

Gooner to the core btw !!!

You're probably going to come out and tell me how Fabregas dives as well.
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No I'm not. I only call it as I see it. I do think Fabregas is a prick at times but I won't associate him with diving. If you follow my posts, you'll notice that more often than not, I try to defend our players rather than attack others. If I do make an observation, I try to back it up with reasoning.

What I'm trying to imply is that shout outs for Gerrard and Torres from mancs in particular have a lot to do with the fact that many Liverpool fans voted for Ronaldo (gee I wonder why?). I'm not sure if they admit to Ronaldo diving more than Gerrard seeing as they never really answered the questions (i.e. "Gerrard dives as well"). Maybe they do believe Gerrard dives more, to each his own. I do try to be as objective as possible and it appalls me to see ANY player dive.

My bottom line is this; Gerrard does dive. Does he however dive more than Ronaldo? Hmm...
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QUOTE(boxsystem @ Jun 4 2008, 12:22 PM)
Ronaldo dives more than Gerrard, no doubt. But I'm not sure whether he dives more than Drogba or not. As I've said earlier, A.B.U. brigade would personally headhunted Ronaldo because of his paint reputation.

He has cut down the dives a lot these days. It would be better if he has none. But then, no offense Duke, what kazek trying to point out is that Gerarrd doesn't need to be a hypocrite by saying things and his autobiography while at the same time he does those things.
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No offense taken. I fully admit that Gerrard has been hypocritical and I hate that he did what he did. I'm just trying to keep everything in context and address the thread title is all. I do admit that Ronaldo has cut down on his antics as has Drogba (well I don't know about this recent season, but definitely the one before). My stand is I hate divers/cheaters whoever they may be. It's the reason my favourite player is Jamie Carragher and not even Steven Gerrard.
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QUOTE(MADReaLJL @ Jun 15 2008, 10:33 PM)
u r so negative
no one denied that ronaldo dives.. do u found any single post that said "ronaldo is a saint, he didnt dives"?
and i hate ur hatred towards alien2003.. childish act.. NBTS perhaps?
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To be fair he does have his reasons. Whether or not you agree with them is another issue. Don't be so quick to judge. If he is childish, then so are the millions of Malaysians that are complaining about the fuel hike. It may not affect you but to those of us who are, it won't be forgotten easily. Same can be said of dream5518 and some others in this case.
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So? So nothing. Like any other thread, the point was to discuss the issue. It's not like a prize is going to be given out to the winner. Ronaldo wins, yippee. Now we move on, simple as.
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QUOTE(MADReaLJL @ Jun 17 2008, 11:07 PM)
laugh.gif i tot double already.. this topic started back in 2006.. he won that time.. now he won again.. same like united won bpl
this topic is like lucky charm laugh.gif
so dont close this topic ok? whistling.gif
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The perhaps Real Madrid will do the double next season? smile.gif
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Ah here we are, the thread on diving.
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QUOTE(scorps @ Nov 5 2008, 05:59 PM)
difference being Gilardino got cautioned for it + the right call was made ... whereas Gerrard, well, has he ever been booked for diving? Either he's a pretty damn good actor
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I gather you've seen a lot of Gerrard then. The only time I've seen him go down without any contact was for England against Russia was it? The other times there has been contact however minimal. Refs tend to be harsh on players who go down without any contact. Look at is this way, Player A goes down under no contact while Player B goes down under minimal contact. Do you issue both of them a yellow? One is worse than the other no? So how can both of them receive the same punishment. I believe it's the same as mistimed tackles. A bad one receives a straight yellow while little niggling ones, gets you booked for repeated fouling.

Speaking of acting, you are a fan of AC Milan yes? You do watch the Italians a lot yes? You have heard of a certain Fillippo Inzaghi yes?
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QUOTE(popeye3rd @ Nov 6 2008, 01:43 AM)
owh,ronaldo is the winner here?

y gerrard not in the list
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As airmood and madmoz have rightly pointed out, Gerrard's biggest felony is being a hypocrite. The question however is "who dives the most" and the thread was started sometime back. Credit to Ronaldo for cleaning up his act but it will take some time for him to shake off the tag. Every single time he goes down easily, it will be magnified because of the reputation he's created for himself. I once read that diving is an acceptable form of gamesmanship in some European leagues and isn't considered cheating as it is in England. Naturally it will take European players some time to get used to it. I don't read the Italian media but do you see them condemning Inzaghi for diving? In stark contrast, much was made of Klinsmann's reputation for diving even before he stared his first game for Spurs.

People may say that I'm biased but when it comes to the issue of cheating, there is no excuse, doesn't matter if he's a Liverpool player or not which is why I am sometimes offended when rivals lambast me for being critical of their players. I hate what Gerrard has done but what's most important to me is the club and the results we get. As lilredridinghood mentioned earlier, it's the reason folk like him and I look up more to Jamie Carragher.

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Here are a couple of posts I extracted from football365 on the issue of diving/cheating.

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QUOTE(hidzwan @ Mar 14 2009, 03:50 PM)
dont understand why gerrard not even in the list..totally bias..he should be number 1 far from others
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So go create your own list then and limit the amount of votes to one; yours.

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