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 Working in Singapore V18, All About Living in The Little Red Dot

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post Dec 17 2015, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(Fiona Chin @ Dec 17 2015, 02:55 PM)
If there is a flight 6pm back home, return at 6am, I would do it, everyday. Some are those what local call them jiu hu kia, got family got bond there, what for rent room in SG. Non jiu hu like some of us then ok la stay in SG.
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nearly did that , but needed a car within SG and do commute to different states biweekly , so kind hard to plan flights , in the end car but weekend have to face the 2-4 hours Q !


Those "Jiu Hu Kia" think again la , reach home about 9-10 pm makan shower sleep , wake up at 5-6 then work ... where the quality time with Fam .

With technology so advance can use Internet to communicate . Further more after 6-7pm can shake leg and start talk cock sing song .....
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post Dec 17 2015, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(madmoz @ Dec 17 2015, 03:04 PM)
hahaha basically i've been told to give a figure to the ultimate boss and the only real way i have to gauge is to add on living costs to how much i want to hantar balik lol.
1 to 1 pay and relocation allowance sounds very favourable to me!  shocking.gif

What is a P1 pass? I was under the impression all EPs were the same?

On an unrelated note, it'll be strange to be considered as an expat. Sounds like orang putih jer lol.
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Expat package very rare , so far only a few of my friends and most of them have oversea working background UK , Aus , US , HK , or Malaysian but transfer from those country to SG

EP 3 grades :
Q1 - 3.3k above
P2 - 4.5k above
P1 - 8k above
PEP - 12k above


yours most likely can consider promotional d la , then + your relocation allowance + family time compensation , basically you ask to relocate right ?

Better still nego a fam package bring your wife together
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post Dec 17 2015, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(madmoz @ Dec 17 2015, 03:08 PM)
Any notable difference between the three? They are all basically work permits, no? Or do they have different restrictions or implications?
The SG gov webby doesn't seem to list anything except for the super atas personalised employment pass one.
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http://www.aasingapore.com/media/files/fil...tation_2014.pdf
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post Dec 17 2015, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(madmoz @ Dec 17 2015, 03:12 PM)
Wife earns more than me in KL. Serious  sweat.gif  Doesn't want to relocate. So it's basically me for now until her motherly instincts (or age lol) kicks in and she wants to stop being a career woman and be a full time mom.
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earns more than you still wanna suck 6k from you meh .

So high commitment ar in KL , need to support 2-3 mil worth of property loan ar ?
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post Dec 18 2015, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(Fiona Chin @ Dec 18 2015, 11:46 AM)
Tony say his plane cheaper than train and bus leh. Hidup Tony  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif ! Fly much more relax lo no need to pack the horde, jam, on schedule and main thing no call no email can reach you while on the plane. But don't like his air stewardess start calling me Madam, still Ms la.
SG gahmen not dumb one. The flooding of cheap labour now in the end they also need to get out of the country with their unsustainable pay and high property price what. You see it as cheaper labour competition, SG may see it as access to cheaper properties and resources to make those middle class get out of SG and keep the riches in the island. This Mr. Lee not simple la.
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Lee Hsien Loong graduate in mathematical studies ..... his abacus is very Tokong one .

Can't imagine someone will really face figures only for 3-4 years !

Mathematical science and Statistical study is another crzy subject.
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post Dec 18 2015, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(bearbear @ Dec 18 2015, 03:19 PM)
i don't think will be cheap, i read there is even very limited trains frequency. (lesser than plane)

i won't be surprised if they sort of limit the counters at both customs to create the jam.

if crossing the border become so easy, who wants to stay in SG?
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Ticket price likely will be more expensive than weekday flight price , but comparable to weekend flight peak period price
Train frequency can be increase if the demand is high.

Clearance for train would be different , is more like those in airport , which is much faster and less crowded as only passenger with Train Tix will check in .

SG wouldn't be proactive on pushing for HSR , if have then good , don't have also nvm .

In my opinion for SG ...
- HSR to cool off some of the property heat , also make it easy for oversea investment ( SG company having operations in MY)
- Tourism: (not so much for Malaysian)
They would want to further promote Changi airport as HUB to go to Malaysia and rest of S.E.A , Changi expanding T5 have certain objective in place, leveraging on better service level compare to KLIA , encourages people to travel SG-MY to take return flights from Changi .

In Malaysia Perspective:
- attract investment
- increase tourism
- increase property demand
*Tourist from SG are the ones really supporting JB and MLK - look at how are those states fairing in tourism, in comparison to Port Dickson , Kuantan , KT , Ipoh ... etc ( KL have own crowd )
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post Dec 28 2015, 09:51 AM

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QUOTE(Blues89 @ Dec 28 2015, 09:36 AM)
so it means that if i wanna hop,i need to first be jobless before getting a new job?@@"
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No just like normal any job hopping in the world , difference when you work in another country a work permit will be involve.

Thus the cancellation and reapplication .

Do note that Work Permit ties to the company.
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post Dec 29 2015, 05:46 PM

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QUOTE(madmoz @ Dec 29 2015, 02:54 PM)
Erhmm... i know Geylang has a reputation for being the red light district but it seems there's a number of studio units for rent there which i kinda fancy.

How exactly is the area?
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Just look for 24 downwards , if possible odd numbers then situation not that bad .

There's a new Condo just TOP , just right opposite Old Airport Road , studio asking for 1400 - 1800 .

Food isn't an issue in Geyalng , can even find supper easily .

Don't look for unit that's too cheap owner may rent out to workers and cramming 3-4 pax per room , then your condo / apartment will very messy.

Some condo do houses "Chicken" - mostly legal ones with WP , works in Geylang or Joo Chiat .

Geylang is as good as UpTown in PJ : some unit may be old (just choose the newer ones) , but access is very convenient , safety wise is consider the worst in SG but it is still safer than KL .

This post has been edited by titarium: Dec 29 2015, 05:48 PM
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post Dec 29 2015, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(SG2016 @ Dec 29 2015, 05:09 PM)
Hi guys & girls!
I am new here and have just gotten a job offer in Tuas. Will be starting in January and am now looking for a place to stay. Planning on renting a room near Boon Lay (salary cannot afford whole unit, unlike some Taikor and TaiKarJie here).
I hope Boon Lay is a convenient place? Saw on Google map, there is Jurong Point shopping mall.
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Near Jurong Point good place , everything is there , just that it would be a little Ex compare the rest of Jurong West/Boon Lay area.

Imagine whole Jurong West and Boon Lay , Jurong Point is the only Prominent Shopping Mall.

It is easily accessible via Bus and MRT .

All facilities are available Banks , Entertainment , Food , groceries , boutiques , Money Changer ....

Just that it is slightly far from Town.

One more thing if miss Malaysian food the "Malaysia Boleh " food center matches very closely to Malaysian food standard, all the famous food are there : Char Kuey Tiao , Bak Kut Teh , Hokkien mee , Wanton Mee , Prawn Mee, Chendol ...
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post Jan 5 2016, 09:13 AM

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Hrmmm to gauge a salary feeling ... let's take a look at the salary comparison from Jobstreet :

Financial Consultant :
SGSG
MY

Engineering :
SG
MY

Internal Audit:
SG
MY

The starting pay of fresh grad is fairly similar in both country , the difference is when you move to higher positions , typically HR in SG will take 10 - 30% pay difference , some also will drop 1 position to hire Malaysian ( with reason doesn't have experience in SG - but will adjust once on track ) .

because increment in SG is lower compare to MY , unless you are an excellent performer who breaks the average barrier. (Put commission takers aside , good ones can perform on both lands)

Exception is given to Expat packages and internal promotion offers(depends on company).

The Gov just regulate the number of passes a company can have - Work Permits , while EP is set at 3.3k benchmark ( some company able to obtain a lower range due to industry type - eg printing, advertising ... etc, that also depends on approval else WP ) , most of the white collar with experience will land here as EP . If SG Gov thinks too many foreigners in SG d they will just stop renewing EP and stop approving WP & EP , don't care what ever industry it is .

so the advice is if want to go to SG better go early ..... so at least get to set the footing earlier , on the later stage is very difficult as you may need to change your lifestyle and savings is divided by what ever ExRate
* imagine you are in your 30s have 100k Ringgit - convert here 33k SGD (at least 10% goes to rental deposits , and not even enough for a car DP)
btw 30k SGD can happy hour all the way for 1 month ... if stretch 2 months biggrin.gif

All by suggestion just go according to your experience and market rate - chances around there .

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post Jan 21 2016, 09:26 AM

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QUOTE(yuen300 @ Jan 20 2016, 09:25 PM)
As person who work in the industry, please read the terms and check with the company. Agents are selling you product and Malaysia agent don't really need them to take much exam to sell products so they can say yes to anything to get you to buy. Working on too many complaints and all customers say agent say can. Company will not honour it if the policy illustration stated black and white there.
Do read back the policy statement and check whether they did really mention they will cover if your accident is happened in overseas and not as a tourist.
If they never mention, the insurance company will not pay out. And from my knowledge, I don't remember any health plan that Malaysia insurance that allow you to claim in Sg hospital or clinics vs Sg one did mention you can claim if you get your treatment in JB. Unless they launch a new product.

For health insurance, unless you know you got some problems, and impossible for you to get a normal premium in other insurance company, it is better to just cancel and get a Sg if you are planning to live long in Sg. Since unlike other insurance plan, the premium will be review every few years to reflect with the current economic situation.
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To make things simple , always prepare plans (get friend or relatives to know about this) , if anything serious happen in SG , admit d further treatment transfer to MY.

Arrangements can be made , in such cases usually will need to pay initial Hospitalization fee in SG and Ambulance transfer (if serious) .

Rest of medical to be done in Malaysia , then claim MY insurance .
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post Jan 21 2016, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(Fiona Chin @ Jan 21 2016, 10:36 AM)
If something serious happen you will want to get treatment from SG hospital lo. SPM 9 F9 doctors vs SG A-level freaking many A doctors you want give your life to who?

For my case, I bought and maintain both SG and MY medical insurance, on top of what my company are providing.

The bad thing for medical insurance, they don't cover your pre-existing conditions. So buy early when you don't have any thing yet. Cannot switch insurance company, cannot switch insurance country suka suka. Buy late more expensive premium also. If not sure where you retire too, better keep both.
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Not all can cover both side mar .. especially SG side if company don't have (comprehensive one) then not PR ( No Medisave ) .

In fact I have faith in Malaysian Doctors , most of private (some Gov) Doctors in Malaysia seriously not bad (get referral doctors don't simply bang ) , Malaysian Docs also graduate from all over the World ( UK , US , AUS , SG - are the common ones practicing in Malaysia ) , specialist needless to say mostly overseas. ( Just avoid Doctors from Indonesia & Russia - lower recognition , but there are good ones too )

Actually I am promoting to my SG friend to seek treatment in Malaysia if they find SG too expensive , just pick those Medisave accredited -> you won't get wrong , then Insurance from SG also can claim ! Super Win .

Medisave usable in MY since 2010

List of Hospitals :
HEALTH MANAGEMENT INTERNATIONAL (HMI)
Referral centre: Balestier Clinic and Health Screening Centre

Facilities in Malaysia:
1. Regency Specialist Hospital (Johor Baru), - provides a door-to-door return transport for up to four people for $80
2. Mahkota Medical Centre (Malacca)

PARKWAY HOLDINGS
Referral centre: East Shore Hospital

Facilities in Malaysia:
1. Gleneagles Intan Medical Centre, Kuala Lumpur
2. Pantai Hospital, Kuala Lumpur
3. Pantai Hospital, Cheras
4. Pantai Hospital, Ampang
5. Pantai Hospital, Klang
6. Pantai Hospital, Ipoh
7. Pantai Hospital, Ayer Keroh
8. Pantai Hospital, Penang
9. Pantai Hospital, Batu Pahat
10. Pantai Hospital, Sungai Petani

Total 12 to pick from , covers from Johor to Penang
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post Jan 21 2016, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(oe_kintaro @ Jan 21 2016, 11:29 AM)
yeah actually Malaysian doctors aren't too shabby at all. Some of the best specialists over in Singapore are actually Malaysian born anyway. Can never have enough protection, so I'm planning to keep a Malaysian plan in addition to my Singaporean coverage.
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Just keep even you change citizenship still can use , just update particulars with agent (make sure you have a good agent to assit you on this ) .
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post Jan 21 2016, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(Fiona Chin @ Jan 21 2016, 12:21 PM)
Saying in general ma. Always have news come out in the newspaper. Forgot to take out scissors during operation, pregnant mum left unattended, baby stuck inside don't know how to take out.

But yes la, MY public hospital also upgraded quite a bit, my sis working there go visit her the hospital doesn't look doggy like those in newspaper one. But comparatively, she say the facilities and equipment are still lagging behind, the best thing though its affordable for the public.
Can request one but don't do it in a discriminating manner la just say feel more comfortable bla bla bla. Gave birth here recently all the doctors and nurses are local Chinese. Got TCM herbal soup some more. They don't serve balut only yet.
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Gov Hospital in Malaysia so far having good ratings especially for labor and minor operation , facility very good especially those in the big town ones , equipment are new and staff are better, then is so cheap quite heavily subsidies !

But there also news that Health ministry are cutting budget , alot of equipment arn't renew and lacking , those suffer most are those in smaller town ones....
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post Jan 22 2016, 09:07 AM

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QUOTE(yuen300 @ Jan 21 2016, 11:01 PM)
But also need to make sure you did speak to ur insurance company whether they do cover for the hospitalization if your injury is happened outside Malaysia and your status in the foreign country is not a tourist.

If the insurance company find out and it is stated in the policy, the insurance company can turn down ur claims. Especially for large claims, lot of investigation will be done to ensure the payment is correct.

And if the insurance company do not provide coverage, you can just basically to stop the Malaysia one and go for Sg instead. And further treatment if really serious, can just go Mal gov hospital
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Just double check your policy will do .... like Fiona said if have intention to retire in MY why not maintain both sides way (if able to manage financially)

You can do Hospital transfer quite conveniently

One thing is isn't worth to use MY policy in SG even it allows you to do so , imagine you have a 300k coverage means only 100k can be use here and medical cost dollar to dollar is more expensive as well compare to Malaysia.

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post Feb 1 2016, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(Fiona Chin @ Feb 1 2016, 10:39 AM)
Submit to apply for WP and they will evaluate on a case by case basis. If your parents rip the baby bonus, what what bonus, maybe they consider its you the one enjoying the PR benefit. Typical PR run away to skip NS then reapply for EP later on, more serious than your case but gahmen may view your case as run away 二五仔 also. Recently they have news on one NZ guy also right.

Die die I won't apply dependent PR for my baby son so troublesome for little money save.
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U jump ship d still wanna think PR ?!
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post Feb 1 2016, 06:35 PM

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QUOTE(Fiona Chin @ Feb 1 2016, 05:43 PM)
Still Malaysian. Hidup Rakyat!
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Now Hantu Lawan Hantu


1st was Muhyiddin
Now Mukhriz - let's see tonight's news
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post Mar 1 2016, 09:24 AM

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QUOTE(deodorant @ Feb 29 2016, 05:01 PM)
CreamMilk Just to give you some context: Basic living expenses for you and your wife will come up to around 4.5k (2.5k rental and utilities, 1.5k food & transport, 0.5k entertainment, misc).

Therefore to me your offer of 4.5k, at age 30+, which is just enough to support 2 ppl, is too big of a pay cut to consider under normal circumstances.

Some might say it's ok, come first and build salary later ... a few things to consider: Assuming 10% annual wage growth, you still need 5 years to build back up to 7k+. Also, SG is more competitive than Malaysia. Are you confident enough in your abilities to compete with regional talent? If not, are you desperate enough that it's OK even if you can't compete?
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2.5k for rent is on the high side - can always get a room only for around 1- 1.5k

1.5k for food & transport it is as good as leasing a vios -> is this necessary , only Sales in SG requires a vehicle .

if you ask me about breakdown :

1.5k Rental
150 Transport
650 Meals
300 Entertainment
400 MY return trip x2

Total 3k - still have 1.5k to save

In fact the figure above still can further cut down , why spend lavish meals and entertainment here can always do it back in MY and the same value spend you can always have more !

For those come here with an intention to work - money driven , saving is more important than lifestyle , why spend it on items you can do it else where at a way better value. What I encourage work life balance every half a year spend 1 - 2k SGD can go for an Asian trip isn't an issue . ( seen ppl doing at 500 SGD )

and it is not advisable to bring whole family if wife arn't working in SG or at least drawing a salary of 8k and above .
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post Mar 1 2016, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(deodorant @ Mar 1 2016, 09:33 AM)
titarium Fair point. I didn't quote a fresh grad budget because I assumed CreamMilk, being 30+, married, and with almost a decade of work experience, wouldn't particularly be willing to downgrade to sharing a house with landlord and/or random strangers icon_idea.gif

After all, I assume him and his wife earn a combined rm13-14k++ in Malaysia (he earns 7k), and therefore has a comfortable middle class lifestyle (car, house/apartment, etc). smile.gif
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Stay with friends would be the best choice , CreamMilk isn't able to get an expat pay so have to be very reserve on this.

I have friends working in CBD areas (salary easily exceed 5k , some close to 8 - 9 k per pax ), finance & accounting - married , all are still renting , if couples a single room will do (usually will take master room) or rent whole unit then lease the rest out .

Most of money still push back to either finance loans in MY or saving money for a property here in SG . Every "k" save not only for your deposit is also for the ABSD.

Can't expect to have a car even here , it isn't necessary furthest to drive is Changi - Tuas ( basically only lorry drivers travel this route daily - goods for export ). Taking Cab is so much cheaper , going shopping till closing time or peak hour - is better to take MRT+bus (can get home faster even if you drive ) .

Want to maintain lifestyle make sure both is working at even 8k income both can have quite ok lifestyle ( minus the car ) , not to forget back in Malaysia 2 pax 2 car = RM 2 - 3 k , here without car can get you anywhere , either way after a good night out you can't even drive .

Decent night out daily 50 SGD x 30 - will also land you 1,500 a month , but definitely not fine dining daily.

Some perception have to be change when landing a job here in SG , salary drawn very much depends on Sector and your skill sets , cost of living is way lower compare to KL in dollar to dollar expenses ( that's the reason up to 30% down on salary for same post , even it is a centralized HR ) , as they are using PPP + Tax + Operating cost - in consideration while drafting the salary.

Those with excellent skill definitely will get an expat pay , or a promotion while getting to SG , some even got housing and car allowances - very much depend on skill & industry type.
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post Mar 1 2016, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(BravoZeroTwo @ Mar 1 2016, 09:43 AM)
What if one has child/children ? School going cost a lot in Spore also ? Can't be renting a room like that. Thanks.
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