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adrian11
post Nov 5 2015, 02:48 PM

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Looks like they shoot handheld or use EasyRig , not glidecam.
This is hand held look.

Some shots they use tripod and do 'floating' motion.

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post Nov 5 2015, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(em0kia @ Nov 5 2015, 07:21 PM)
Thanks ofr the tips, but i realize that the handheld motion i had when using 18-200 is very very harsh. The video which i showed above, has very obvious handheld shakes too but it does not feel so bad for some reason. it feels smooth and natural.

I thin i need some equipment to create that feel, but not sure what i should use.
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Have you tried shooting on a shoulder rig? It helps to get the handheld look. Not as expensive as EasyRig , but still can get good results.

For handheld I dont know how to explain to you , but I I move my body instead of moving my hand. My hand is always holding the camera and my body is just swaying from left to right , thats my way to do hand held. Its more of a floating than a shake if you get what I mean.

Maybe you can use the widest at 17mm, so your shakes are not too obvious.
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post Nov 9 2015, 08:16 PM

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QUOTE(em0kia @ Nov 9 2015, 02:32 AM)
Oh, i understand already. Usually do videographers need camera that can automatically focus the subject everytime the distance changes? I notice that i were to do it manually, most of the time i will overturn the focus ring and turn it back to find back the sweet spot. whereas if i were to half press the shutter button, the autofocus motor will generate noises which will be recorded into the video. How do you solve this issue? will something like this help?

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Camera assistant / focus puller. The DP hold the cam and follow the subject and the 1st AC will pull focus on the rig itself or wireless. Depending on setup. We do not use autofocus cause its not accurate at most times if the camera is constantly moving and its noisy and choppy.

Its easy to overfocus on a DSLR lens , for example your Tamron lens because the focus throw is short compared to cinema lens that has a much longer focus throw and accurate focus by distance.

If you dont have a focus puller , what I can suggest you to do is focus on your subject and keep the distance between the camera and subject the same so the subject will be 'quite' in focus and dont have to keep adjusting focus.

As a 1st AC I can tell you pulling focus is not easy , I can judge distance by eye but not that 'accurate' yet. doh.gif


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post Nov 10 2015, 06:47 PM

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QUOTE(em0kia @ Nov 10 2015, 11:34 AM)
Luxury? Somehow the manual focus puller feels plasticky to me  hmm.gif
Like can get from china at very cheap price. Other than marking some focus point, does it smoothen the turning of focus ring? I see most of the full setup comes with this, a screen, a light gun mount on a shoulder rig. Thinking of getting one, hopefully it can create the floating effect that i always wanted.
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Dont buy cheap follow focus , waste of money. Its cheaper to rent because follow focus is not very convenient and adds weight to the setup. If you are looking for a shoulder rig , cheap ones are fine for DSLR's.
Example : http://jag35.com/fieldrunner.html

I dont recommend cheap follow focus cause its not smooth, and will change focus when you let go of the focus wheel.

The picture I attached is a very expensive setup usually used for following shots , its a wireless monitor setup + follow focus + V-Mount. May cost more than RM20k for what you see in the picture. Thats where rental comes into play.


If you wanna practice floating shots , there's alot of ways to achieve it, not just shoulder rig. You can use a fluid head on tripod or monopod , just do a slight swirling motion on the cam and you can get a floating shot also.

For handheld , the way you hold the camera is very important, for me I use my left hand to hold the base of the camera (palm on the bottom) and use the fingers on my left hand to pull focus and my right hand on the grip. Holding your breathe will help to stabilise the shot.

There is no one way to do it, experiment and see what works best for you.
You dont need to have expensive setup to get the shot , it just makes it easier and more convenient.

KayFX I believe you can create VSCO color profile from the lightroom preset. I came across it the other day , but it only works on FCPX and Resolve

For my color grading I prefer to use Resolve to do it now, I have much more control compared to Premiere , but before this I have been using premiere also which works really well.
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post Nov 10 2015, 11:53 PM

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QUOTE(kayFX @ Nov 10 2015, 09:34 PM)
adrian11 thanks for the tips.. Is there any trial version of resolve? Have you try adobe speed grade? Trying to get the right feel for cinema look.. I'll try to google around how to create and use the vsco color profile in premiere.. There must be a way..
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Have a look at this , they make it into a LUT preset , but this is done in FCPX. Im pretty sure Premiere Pro supports 3D LUTS too.
http://www.zainals.com/fcpx-2/vsco-film-fcpx/

I have SpeedGrade on my mac, but havent found time to open it to try it yet.

Davinci Resolve 12 is a free software , but the Studio version needs to be paid for. I am using the free version at the moment to color grade my 4K Raw files, it works really well cause I can apply Gamma's and LUTS on it. Also useful for compiling Raw .DNG files to smaller proxies for offline edits.
https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve

Resolve 12 may be one of the best free softwares out there now.

Have a look at AVID Media Composer , according to one of my editors who worked in Hollywood , he say this is one of the best softwares hollywood editors are using now. I have not tried it yet. Not sure if there is a free trial. Its like the much improved version on Premiere Pro.

 

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