unless he have some unique selling point where other people cant have those at home or other CC.

a question about gaming.. is FEAR combat one of the hot games being played theses days?.. haven't been to a cc for so long..

There is no lisence needed for FEAR combat. You only have to download and provide your enail and some details about yourself to obtain a CD key. But then if you have 50pcs in your cc, you'll need 50 different email addresses.

Also, i used to be a student at mmu melaka. There's CC there called i-relax that also have pool tables. this is a good idea for extra revenue since the tables are almost always occupied during the wee hours. is this allowed under the cc lisence?..or do you need a totaly different lisence (entertaiment lisence?) for pool tables, billiards, arcade machines ect?

Wanna ask.. if i open a CC cum Comp shop do i need to apply for an extra licence?

For MS Licensing for Cyber Cafes you need to purchase the OEM or Full package license as well as complete the SW Rental Agreement.

http://www.microsoft.com/malaysia/genuine/...netcafe/mra.asp

majority of student housing areas still do not have streamyx.

YES, u need 2 license
1. PUSAT KOMPUTER
2. PUSAT INTERNET

I think currently PJ area still no licence for CyberCafe yet.
All cc under PJ area are using Pusat Komputer or Cafe Minuman Licence at the moment.

Anyway, to me, maintaining the cybercafe is the most challenging.

Always ensure all online games patch is up to date and install every new games.

However, there are plenty of solution available to manage PC now.
I'm now selling the HDDless solution for cybercafe outlet.

As i do marketing for the solution, i learnt how current cc manage their system..

Anyone newbie serious about opening a cc can contact me for a drink to talk more about it ya..

I'm always around Sg Buloh, Sunway, subang, damansara & puchong area.

i've been worked in cc for few month , i heard that da boss said not easy to earn .. hm .. or i should say fortune is growing but the cash doesnt really growing
he told me that the amount that he earned every month , have to pay back .. such as updating pc , buy in new game ( license ) , maintain , the fee of like hardwork spoilt etc ..
but .. its depend on different ppl own mind ..



and the legal operation time is actually until 12am only right ?

This post has been edited by skylands: Dec 19 2006, 07:18 PM

there is a lot of concern if u wanna setup a cc

your capital would include....rental, renovation, pc's, licence from relevant authority, networking cost, furniture, airconds etc
monthly expenditure....upgrading pc and peripherals, electricity, water, phone bill, salary, replacement of parts etc....

looking at the per hour rate nowadays, u may need to have a lot of capital to setup before even breaking even.

also need to take into consideration the existing cc and possible competitors

u may need to think twice before opeining a cc

as i know last time open a CC quite easy and less restriction but now... seem like lots of thing to consider like competitors, good selling point (since many ppl hv streamyx), big capital

last time planning to open a CC b4 but while planning facing lots of problem so give ady

CC is not so profitable like the old days any more. High investment. High running overhead. Every month after paid overhead not much left as profit. Just enaugh to survive only. Long operating hours. Slow capital return. By the time you fully return capital it might be time for another endless upgrade investment. Notice once in a while we got ppl selling cc closed down items in garage sales? If got sell food and drinks operators need to get the licence like hawker license which need to get vacination injection yearly. In my area the bandaran won't issue operating license for upstair shop CC. Said got fire escape problem etc. PC software licence AT LEAST you need OEM XP Home for each PC. Many online games which previously pay to play are now free. They obtain profit by selling items.

This post has been edited by seeseng: Dec 20 2006, 01:20 AM

as i know the most profitable CC is FTZ in SS15,weekend sure full until waiting list 100++
because that CC location is too good

i think setting up a CC not easy now...somemore now CC not so "hot" like last time...coz most of the people have their own pc and laptop now...so they will spend their time at cafe (starbuck) rather than spend $ at CC...

yeah , even the waiting list is 100++ , but still as they said , profit return very slow ,and the fee still 2 ~ 3 ringgit per hour...
like if u only got 50 pc , so no matter how many ppl waiting but u still making the same profit at the moment ..
its my opinion .. correct me if im wrong ..

i doubt ftz has a waiting list of 100+ coz im quite a regular there eventhough i own a cafe lol. But even without that kind of waitin list, their income can easily hit 6k on weekdays n maybe 8k+ on weekends a day. (i havent include their profit frm selling drinks which is 100% margin) This is how i calculate, 300pc(not fullhouse) x 10 hours a day x rm2.20 = 6k ++
So i can bet they are making bout 180-200k a month, minus the expenses at the most around 40k... net profit at least around 150k a month. What i can say is, if u have alot of money and have such prime location(all the college in surrounding area) then it is a good investment.

But then again, setting up a cafe is not as easy as buying computer, getting shop and etc. There is alot of problem in the licensing issue unless u are a datuk or powerful family background with good connection. And if u only have a small capital (anything below 300k), then better dun do this business cause the profit margin will be little(for me la) and u have to think where to get the money after 2-3 years to upgrade the pc as well.

erm...school holiday weekend will reach that lvl,is quite scary
open a CC in KL isn't that profitable to others city,am i right?

the license really tiring em ... let's count only 100 pc .. only windows license edi cost u 50k... and what abt game .. at least more than 10 games in every pc :/ and server fee .. hm ..

the license issue i talk bout is the cybercafe license issue by majlis perbandaran or the local enforcement. window license is actually added to the pc cost already for most ppl and usually can get cheaper by buying bulk. The games is not really much prob as long as u pay the monthly license fee to the local license holder, they dun care if u install pirate or original.

yhtan : not true la, sometime even open in smaller unknown places also very good profit. Usually good places like ss15, ss2 or wangsa maju are really great place to open cybercafe, PROVIDED u are the only one there la. But once ppl see u making money then alot of ppl will start to jump in as well, then itll be very competitive and hard for those without much capital to survive. Juz look at how FTZ asiacafe now affecting alot of cafe's business in ss15 as a newcomer and so do their foodcourt as well which has closed down a couple kopitiam nearby. If u have that kind of capital then u dun need to worry much but if money an issue then better do it in smaller town areas.

This post has been edited by [gs]JackMin: Dec 21 2006, 12:05 AM

so hows ur return per year?is it exceed 20%?

at the rate im goin, i should able to get back in 1 1/2 yrs-, but im planning for phase 2 which is expanding the cafe so that might shorten the duration of my first initial investment. One of my fren who open a cafe with really lower capital than mine but his profit is giving him a 8mths ROI and he has the only cafe in that area. For me i dun really regret of investing so much coz the main reason i open this cafe is something i wanna do for a long time now as a 'gamer'.