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 INSURANCE TALK, ok let start

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richnet
post Mar 26 2009, 03:06 AM

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QUOTE(lcl832002 @ Mar 16 2009, 08:46 PM)
One year and three months. Why do you ask that?  smile.gif
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because you did not answer truthfully on his question!!!!


Added on March 26, 2009, 3:11 am
QUOTE(ivanswk @ Mar 14 2009, 01:29 AM)
i am confuse,
so my life insurance will go my my estate or my wife estate ?
since i nominated my wife but she also pass away the same time

if it go my estate then is ok but if it go my wife estate then my mother cannot claim on her estate, my parent inlaw will get it rite ?

if i am correct due to i purchase this policy when i marry wife, the policy become a trust, i cannot revoke her without her consent  sweat.gif

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ivanswk,

it will goto your wife's estate.

for the nomination part, yes, your policy is a trusted policy, this doesn't mean that she is the trustee. you can revoke her name out from the nomination list as long as the trustee sign, which most of the case, it'll be only you yourself.

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post Mar 26 2009, 03:33 AM

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QUOTE(Tatsumaki @ Mar 26 2009, 03:14 AM)
I'd like to point out that insurance proceeds are creditor proof. In the scenarios where both parents are not around, yes the proceeds will be frozen and given according to the distribution act, but should i remember correctly, at least for the insurance 'estate', it is creditor proof.

This is why insurance is a great tool to quickly settle debts, funeral fees, lawyer fees, stamp duties and other things that pop up upon a person's demise.

Dying is expensive!
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yes Tatsumaki, it's creditor proof. It was not me who mentioned about clearing off debts... smile.gif the part of clearing debts are only be done after all lumpsum have been paid out to the nominated/beneficiary.


richnet
post Mar 26 2009, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(lcl832002 @ Mar 26 2009, 01:08 PM)
Please show me which part I didn't answer truthfully... I never sell something to the person. What is the point I cheat him???
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at post #407, ivanswk asked about his situation, where his money will gone to...
and you replied at post #408, which the info given are nothing really answer his queries, you keep talking about how this works and that works, making like how expert that you are.....


and at post #411, you are just merely PROMOTING how good and how good your AIA insurance company are... is it really that good?

since you know so much, tell me about "Critical years"...
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post Mar 27 2009, 01:27 AM

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QUOTE(lcl832002 @ Mar 26 2009, 06:18 PM)
I never say that AIA's products are very good. I just tell the facts and figures. Some of the basic principles are applicable to other insurance companies' products, not only AIA. I can't judge for him. He should judge himself whether they are good or not.

If you find that the info I provide here is wrong and misleading because I want to increase my sales here, please sue me without hesitation... Thanks...
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sigh.... well, firstly, you skipped what i said about ivanswk's query.
2nd thing, why would I wanted to sue you? You should be more aware of what you're talking/sharing here.
3rd thing, I didn't say that you say AIA's products are very good as you claimed of what I said. I said you were merely PROMOTING your products.

like how? these are the stuff you wrote... and I bold up some parts to make you realise it.

inside this topic, at post #411, you wrote these:
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"The sum assured for whole life insurance is fixed unless you add premium. Whereas, the sum assured for endowment plans will increase depending on the performance of AIA Berhad. If AIA Berhad performs very badly, a dividend of 4 % is payable to its policyholders. If AIA Berhad performs very well, a dividend of 7 % is payable to its policyholders. The premium for endowment plans is guaranteed to be fixed.

The return for endowment plans is not guaranteed but it must be at least 4 % for AIA Berhad no matter how bad AIA Berhad performs.
For Investment Linked Plans, the return can be zero or negative if the funds you choose perform very badly."
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post Apr 27 2009, 02:36 AM

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QUOTE(Pennywise @ Apr 26 2009, 05:15 PM)
I am totally new to this so I hope some of you vets can shed some light into my distorted point of view.

I am planning to get an insurance and never had one before. A friend who works for Prudential full time approached me and drafted two options for me. One is called the PruLink and the other is the PruCash.

After drafting these 2 simplified diagrams for me, she asked me to sign up. Well, I would love to because I know for a fact that, for insurance, the earlier you buy, the better.

Problem here is, while persuading me to sign up, I have had no terms and conditions, projected growth table, list of covered illness and etc. I have a measly piece of A4 paper, drafted with pen and words spoken by mouth. I asked for a proposal and what I was told is that, there is no proposal until I sign up. So, here I start having doubts.

I've known her for a decade, and I trust her but this isnt supposed to be the way it works, is it? I mean, how could you ask someone to sign up for something for 30 years, paying something like RM150 - RM300 per month for 30 years and not given a proposal? Would that have worked if the customer she approached is not me but a professional business man?

She approached another friend of ours and gave him a proposal in A4 converted to PDF. A mere 4 line piece of art with limited information and I just dont believe that's how it is. My friend spoke to me about the way she worked and said that even his dad's insurance agent who has poor english gave a better proposal than the one he received from our friend here.

So, I postponed my purchase and then told her that I would only buy after she answered a list of my questions. At that point of time, I didnt have much time to research on this Prudential product, so I left this behind with my To-Do-List until she recently text me and asked my decision.

What should I know when buying an insurance?
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Hi Pennywise,

PruLink is an investment linked plan, which the basic, it will cover Death and Disability. The rest are optional and depend on the agent whether how they wanted to package for you. Most of them will also package a Critical Illness benefit and Medical Card into it.

PruCash is an endowment plan. And if I'm not mistaken, it's also based on investing into funds like the PruLink. You should ask your agent more about it.

Talking about no proposal before signing up ==> BULLSHIT !!


Added on April 27, 2009, 2:39 am
QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Apr 27 2009, 02:15 AM)
lcl832002,

<<To me, only the person who has the ability to predict his own future doesn't need any insurance plan.?<<

Stop doing "bait and switch" sell tactic.

A) A baby does not know the future.  But, does a baby need life insurance??

B) Ditto, if a person has MILLIONS worth of savings, why do a person need to buy 100K worth of insurance??

C) If you are a beggar and you are staving now, you buy food first before talking about insurance.

There is NOTHING magical about insurance.  You ONLY buy it when insurance costs is low enough that the PROTECTION is worthwhile for the RISK that you want to cover.

Buyer beware..

Dreamer
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I totally agree with what you replied here on lcl832002. Especially the bold words. smile.gif


Added on April 27, 2009, 2:43 am
QUOTE(lcl832002 @ Apr 26 2009, 11:24 PM)
To me, as long as the plan is attractive to you, you should not think too much. If the plan is not attractive, then just don't buy it. Why? Every product in the market has its own strengths and weaknesses. We can never find a perfect product that suits all our insurance needs. There are too many plans in the market offered by 9 life insurers and 25 general insurers. How are we going to compare all the plans?

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lcl832002,

you're a Life Insurance Agent yourself, but looked at what you've replied on the forum, it's totally not professional at all. The information you have given is totally INCORRECT!

This post has been edited by richnet: Apr 27 2009, 02:43 AM
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post Apr 28 2009, 12:44 AM

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QUOTE(bbjslee @ Apr 28 2009, 12:38 AM)
Then it should be Supreme Livin' Care Plus.

For a traditional whole life participating plan, it is not overpaid.
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if not mistaken, this is the only plan I heard in the market that you are given an option to buy another life insurance AFTER you have made full claims on critical illness.
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post Apr 28 2009, 01:05 AM

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QUOTE(alien0110 @ Apr 28 2009, 12:51 AM)
Thanks for your info, actually I just give my budget (around RM 3K per year) to the agent, and the agent calculated the 100K amount policy on the laptop to me. If it is not overpaid, then it's fine then.
The agent said the policy will be terminated once u get full claim on critical illness.
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yea. what I mean is, after the full claim from critical illness, your policy is terminated, but as from what I know, before they terminate you policy, the insurer will give you an option to choose if you would like to purchase another life insurance or not, which I think only covers on your death. From my point of view, once you are already a critical illness patient, no insurer will dare to insured you anymore.
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post Apr 30 2009, 02:57 AM

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QUOTE(bbjslee @ Apr 28 2009, 01:09 AM)
Thanks richnet for the additional info.
It is known as buy back option.

Anyway, the premium for the product is going to be revised next month. Although there's no memo yet about the increment (historically, there's never decrement in premium), but most senior agents believe that it would be increased 20%.
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it should be expected for the insurance premium to increase, this should be related to increase in medical claims and also the RBC protocol introduced in year 2009.


Added on April 30, 2009, 3:01 am
QUOTE(lcl832002 @ Apr 29 2009, 11:30 PM)
Adik,

Very easy only.

Normally, as an employee, we need 4 plans:

i) medical card
ii) 36 critical illnesses
iii) personal accident
iv) life insurance

With these 4 plans, our personal protection is comprehensive already...

All these 4 plans have their own purposes of buying, strengths and limitations.

There are so many plans in the market and a lot of new plans is introduced each year. We can never find the best plan. If you can study all plans in the market, you yourself can be an insurance agent already.

Let say you find that medical card from ING is the best after you compare all the medical cards from ING, AIA, Prudential and GE. But are you very sure that medical cards from other insurers like Allianz, Hong Leong Assurance and others are not better than ING???
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I don't think personal accident should fall into the comprehensive plan. As I find that personal accident is a waste of money. I would encourage more on medical card and critical illness instead.


Added on April 30, 2009, 3:06 am
QUOTE(lcl832002 @ Apr 29 2009, 11:51 PM)
Just to share a real story I read from a Chinese newspaper last time.

An old woman who was around 70 years old still had to work to take care of her son.

Her son became diasbled due to an accident. Because he had never bought any insurance plans for his entire life, he lost his income permanently. If I am not mistaken, he was single.

In order to cover his family's expenses, his mother had to work to earn some income to continue living. I don't know what will happen to her son if the old woman passes away in the future.

I am not saying that the family deserves it because they don't buy insurance. Maybe they are too poor to buy insurance.

But, the reality is we can't live in this world without any money...

People are buying insurance because they know the reality that everyone of us can't run away from birth, aging, illness and death.
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frankly speaking, even if he had bought insurance years back or let's put it long time ago, the amount paid would not be sufficient enough to cover all expenses until to-date. I agree that it might probably help, but it has nothing really to do with an old woman around age 70 years old still had to work to take care of her son.

As per my understanding, for disability or some like to call it TPD (Total Permanent Disability), you'll have to lose a pair of 'body parts'. Most likely as, a pair of leg; a pair of arms; a pair of eyes, or probably each of one another which can make it 2 'parts'.

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post Apr 30 2009, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(xavi5567 @ Apr 30 2009, 10:14 AM)
Wanna ask if i got a medical insurance.. And i go for specialist treatment .. will the insurance cover the specialist treatment..
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it depends on what kind of specialist treatment you are referring to.
mind sharing?
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post May 1 2009, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(lin00b @ May 1 2009, 07:07 AM)
but is there TPD/CI that is NOT investment-linked/endowment? meaning, term for 40-50 years or so?
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yes, there are

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