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 INSURANCE TALK, ok let start

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lin00b
post Apr 30 2009, 03:43 PM

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I am planning to get some insurance (agents, pls DONT PM me) but i'm posting here with my view and looking for opinion.

Some agent has tole me that Critical Illness is not available on a term basis, i.e must be life (traditional??) and/or investment-linked. is this true?

I am planning to get these following coverage:

1. a standalone medical card.

2. some CI/TPD (actually hopeing to get term covering until I'm 60-ish) but on hearing its not available, maybe i'll go for the life CI/TPD coverage.
2a. dont really need life, but again agent is saying CI/TPD must come with life (oh well, will help pay for the party tongue.gif )

3. some yearly income in event of CI/disability (i believe this is more worthwhile compared to lump sum CI/TPD as the premium is much cheaper - max coverage 100k only though)

4. PA - again very low premium

as my company is providing some insurance, the plans i am thinking on will act as supplement / back-up (in case something happen to be between jobs)

comments?
lin00b
post May 1 2009, 07:07 AM

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QUOTE(lcl832002 @ Apr 30 2009, 10:46 PM)
There are standalone critical illness plans in the market. One of them is from AIA. Other insurance companies, I don't know.

For TPD benefit (accident), personal accident plan is good enough. Certain PA plans do provide disability income for several years like 15 years in addition to one lump sum of compensation. However, TPD due to a critical illness is not covered by PA and it will be covered by critical illness plans and life insurance.
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but is there TPD/CI that is NOT investment-linked/endowment? meaning, term for 40-50 years or so?
lin00b
post May 5 2009, 03:05 PM

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Tatsumaki,

I think you misunderstood what Dreamer101 is trying to say. its not that you shouldnt buy insurance, its that you should only buy reasonable and adequate insurance (ie, dont overbuy)

to use a car analogy, you keep a spare tyre for emergency; but you dont go around carrying 4 spare tyres, right?

the more important question is : how much is reasonable and how much is adequate? some rule of thumb would be helpful

and i think you have gotten your assets/liabilities mixed up. if a house is an asset, the rental should cover/exceed the mortgage payment. personally i never put much weight in "capital appreciation" for determination of asset/liability.

and a car is never an asset.

and the rich person has not done a good job as a parent if his kids are not more or less financially independent upon being an adult. that is why term life is a good choice (you only cover yourself until your youngest kid reach 21, for example)
lin00b
post May 5 2009, 05:21 PM

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but "client's need/adequate" is not the same as "client's desire". I may desire a 10 million payout upon my demise, but do i need 10 million? with no loans other than PTPTN, 50k may be adequate for me to payoff PTPTN and to pay for my funeral.

as a single person without dependent, i only need enough life insurance to payoff debts that can get transferred to next-of-kin and NOT the 3-4 year gross salary.

however i have no idea whats the suitable amount for MEDICAL CARD or CI/TPD coverage that i really need. or is there standalone income guarantee insurance (say 20k/year upon my disability (not tpd) until i'm 65 years old)

I'm annoyed at the rising medical cost (but if worse come to worst can always go to GH); I'm scared of CI; but i'm terrified of TPD. Death is the least of my worries tongue.gif
lin00b
post May 6 2009, 12:45 AM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ May 5 2009, 06:39 PM)
lin00b,

<<as a single person without dependent, i only need enough life insurance to payoff debts that can get transferred to next-of-kin and NOT the 3-4 year gross salary.>>

The GREATEST FINANCIAL RISK at this stage is NOT death.  It is DISABILITY.  Being YOUNG, if you disable, you have LONGER TIME to live and that costs a lot more money than dying.  Now, the chances of getting sick and CI is lower for YOUNG people.

So, if you want to buy insurance, adjust coverage based on this priority, form high to low

A) PA -> This is cheap and high risk in Malaysia

B) TPD

C) Life

D) Medical

E) CI

How much coverage do you get from your job?? That might lower some of the coverage.

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i'm surprised that you ranked CI below life and medical; because even if CI is low risk, if i do get it, it would be catastrophic.

but again, how much PA/TPD/Medical/CI is adequate?

300k/90k for medical? or less and top up in future?
100k CI/TPD? (3-4x annual income)
200k PA?
and maybe some annual income to round it up? 10-20k/yr in event of disability and another 10k/yr in event of CI?

i m a young grad with no dependent. company have some group medial card/
lin00b
post Dec 23 2009, 03:46 PM

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claim by insurance agent in support of ILP (looking for opinions or rebuttal)

1. the plan is ILP by name only - only small portion (<10% is put into funds)
2. the plan is all in one (3D + PA + some income replacement) for convinience
3. the medical card included is guaranteed renewal with no premium increase (ever)
4. cost comparison between this plan vs tradtional plan + traditional medic + traditional PA is only ~20-30/month
5. for this extra 20-30/month you are getting some income replacement/surgical/outpatient payment and a guarantee renewal no premium increase medic card which traditional medic dont offer.
6. fund from investment is planned to be used to cover premium incase you get laid off or when retired (so no need pay still can continue plan)
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post Dec 26 2009, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE
i guess ask:

1. where is it documented the amount put into funds? if it's ILP by name, but yet so little put into funds - what is the use? isn't it possible to go for non-ILP then or ILP with greater contribution?
2. do you need 3D + PA + income replacement?
3. not familiar with medical card, so can't comment here
4. what's the difference between this and the traditional plans? what does the traditional plan offer that this doesn't and vice versa?
5. if you need (need, not want...) the income replacement/surgical/outpatient, then it does sound good
6. the 10% put into funds (i guess unit trust) is not guaranteed. unit trust can go down and up. if it goes down, will it still cover the premiums?

note: i'm not an insurance agent, so the reasoning/advise above may not be the best.

with insurance, hindsight is always 20/20. if something happens, one would look back and say "i should have gotten that policy......" so think carefully what need then go get it. but if you have evaluated and decided not to get it, don't go thinking "i should have gotten that policy.....".

insurance is about protecting current wealth and if you have dependents, their livelihood in the future in case you are not around anymore. i personally DO NOT believe in any returns from insurance. i think if one reads up more about investing, one can easily get similar or even more returns without needing to be locked down with a certain policy. personally for me, insurance should be 100% protection only, and make sure it's something you NEED and not WANT. it's very tempting to make a coverage of RM2million for example, but evaluate how much you need. i've read that coverage of your next 10 years annual salary is a good start, but again, i'm not an expert in these matters.

just something to bring out to discuss.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
1. well, basically i wanted only traditional 3D term insurance with medic card and PA; but the agent went ahead and recommend me a "better" plan. (ILP that does not have much I) maybe this is due to ILP giving more commision, or she's better trained in ILP products, or ILP really is better than a mix of trad + medic, i have no idea.
2. i wanted 3D + PA + medic. income replacement, not really, but since it comes with the package...
4. basically according to the agent, this ILP has everything traditional insurance have. in addition to no-increase guarantee renew medic, some I, and income replacement for around ~rm20 extra/month.
4a. lets be honest here, i wont even notice that rm20 in my monthly expense so the difference is negligible.
5. i dont need those, but since it comes together...
6. not looking for returns also. but the possibility that is may safeguard my insurance premium in the future is worth looking at.
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post Sep 20 2010, 10:38 AM

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is there logic in using endowment/investment insurance for tax relief (budget 2010 allow for 1k for this and excess can be placed in the 3k for edu/medi insurance and 6k for life/epf)?

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post Sep 20 2010, 10:17 PM

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for tax relief purpose, Investment Linked or medical attached to life is eligible under which category? life or medical? or life portion life, medical portion medical?

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