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 INSURANCE TALK, ok let start

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post May 10 2012, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(Suicidal Guy @ May 10 2012, 11:51 AM)
Hi,

I'm looking for ING insurance plan. Agents pls PM me.

Thanks.
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QUOTE(Suicidal Guy @ May 10 2012, 12:00 PM)
Kena what? Suicide can claim ar?  laugh.gif
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after got your policy, do countdown 365 days baru kill yourself yo laugh.gif
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ May 10 2012, 01:56 PM)
alo alo... best is public transport accidental death as some life insurance pays 3 times to 4 times the "normal death".  sweat.gif

Sorry boss, out of topic - couldn't resist the mental masturbation though  notworthy.gif
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post Jun 6 2012, 07:05 PM

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roy, got a question

i got a friend when he buy insurans declared non-smoker

then later he start smoking, heavy some more

if later he claim for sickness related to smoking...how?

and how about claim for things unrelated to smoking...e.g. death by accident, natural causes, etc?

thanks in advance notworthy.gif
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post Jun 7 2012, 12:02 AM

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QUOTE(Colaboy @ Jun 6 2012, 11:33 PM)
its his duty to declare his smoking status to the company . . .

If claim related to smoking example lung cancer, company have the rights not to pay the claimable benefits
but if due to accidental or natural causes should be no effect  thumbup.gif
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but he started smoking years after he bought the policy wor
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post Jun 7 2012, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Jun 7 2012, 08:51 AM)
As Colaboy mentioned its the client obligation to declare any changes to his lifestyle.

Smoking status will affect his premium (non-smoker pays lesser premium) as its higher risk of getting smoking related illnesses.

Another thing that will affect the premium would be the occupation. For example if someone is doing office admin work (Class 1), suddenly have a part time job as a construction worker or lorry driver (Class 4) and met accident, the insurance company may dispute on the claims.

Well if a person who is from Class 4 and now gets promoted to become office Manager (Class 1) you'd definitely want to go to declare because this will bring down your premium significantly.

As for gender change, so far I've not have any experience in this  rclxms.gif
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so in cases of claim, the co will adjust the payout, or totally refuse to pay? unsure.gif
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post Jun 27 2012, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(Smurfs @ Jun 27 2012, 09:48 AM)
i just bought a GE whole life insurance a year ago.

now i'm thinking to change the whole life policy to term policy.

Can i do that? will that be any penalty or anything?
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Why, find that the premium burdensome?
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post Jun 27 2012, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(Smurfs @ Jun 27 2012, 10:23 AM)
think of applying Buy term and invest the difference.

can get better result if i park the money in fd/bond fund/reits rather than paying high premiums  hmm.gif

since the payout for whole life n term is same,thus same protection
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if that is what u intend to do, u can consider ILPs icon_idea.gif


Added on June 27, 2012, 11:08 am
QUOTE(MaxWealth @ Jun 27 2012, 10:58 AM)
Your whole life plan is participating or non participating plan?

If your terminate and get a new 1, most of your premium paid will be burned. Furthermore, the waiting period will start over. Or else you can ask them to fully paid up plan and convert in to term. How long and how much they can cover is based on branch/HQ calculation.

Btw, term only covers up to age 70. Unless you are very confidence in accumulating few hundred thousand just for "insurance" purpose after age 70.
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post Mar 9 2013, 08:45 PM

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Well said by Roy Steven,

Which makes me think, (touch wood) if anything happens to me, my only dependent is my dad, and my EPF and investments would be more than enough to last him til he (touch wood) masuk container. Currently my ILP only cover

Life/TPD RM150K
Income on TPD RM12K p.a. i.e. RM1K a month
Premium waiver on TPD/CI, premium RM220/mth

I have a separate life/endowment which covers CI for RM60K, similar to GE's Living Assured (I forgot the name exactly) which the SA increases every year

Do you think I should reduce life cover, and ride on a medicard? hmm.gif

Pls advise notworthy.gif

P.S. my plan is GE Addvantage Plus

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QUOTE(eurocrisis @ Mar 10 2013, 01:24 AM)
Hi guys, I just want to ask
In the event i want to downgrade my medical insurance (rider) will it require underwriting requirement?
I understand that upgrading will require underwriting requirement
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Downgrading just need to sign off a form.
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post Mar 10 2013, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Mar 10 2013, 12:33 PM)
Touch wood, if anything happens to you, I'm sure you do not want to have to use the Life/CI/TPD money to pay for the hospital bill, no? If there was a severe accident that needs to be hospitalized, surely you'll need the money and of course the first thing is to save life.

Secondly, what was your purpose of getting an endowment plan of CI for RM 60K? I hope that the endowment plan is not for savings as having a RM 60K CI cover eats up on the cash value as most of it would be used to pay the insurance charges. Do yourself a favor, calculate the endowment returns yourself. I'm sure you'd agree that it is more for protection.

Definitely a medical plan is needed. Your car is compulsory to have a 'medical card' as it is protected againsts financial losses should we are involved in accidents. Get my drift?  whistling.gif
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Ooh I just remember the name, Great Living Care. GE no longer offer this plan, right? Back then it's one of GE's bestsellers. My plan is quite similar to GLC, only difference being pay-til-55, cover-til-85. That's the reason why I bought it. I wouldn't want to be still paying insurance premiums after I retire from active working. If I don't remember wrongly, based on the "conservative" cash value projection, IRR for this endowment is only around 2%.

Last time I contacted my agent to include medicard into my ILP, but he was adamant that I topup my premium (currently RM220/mth) to at least RM300. shakehead.gif

Perhaps I should reduce my life cover to RM100K from RM150K, keep the premium at RM220? Do u think my cash value would be sufficient to pay for the insurance charges? FYI, I plan to terminate my ILP around age 45-50 when the charges should shoot up dramatically.

Current:
Life/TPD RM150K
Great Income Rider RM120K
Premium Waiver on TPD/CI

Thanks cheers.gif

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post Mar 10 2013, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Mar 10 2013, 03:05 PM)
Whether the cash values will be able to cover for the insurance charges, no one can tell as there are simply too many uncertainties. Who knows what will happen to Malaysian economy 20 years down the road. For example Lahat Datu case.

But one thing is for certain, irrespective of whether the insurance charges goes up or not, you buy insurance for its coverage/protection, never to expect to get back anything.

For medical if you were to cancel your plan at age 50, just promise that you wont get sick till 80. Otherwise, the investments that had been generated over the years may have to be liquidated.
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Maybe reduce Life/TPD to a nominal amount (well, insurance is to cover, right? Upon retirement, what is there to cover? smile.gif ), just keep the ILP for the medikad. Thanks, I have an idea now. smile.gif
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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Mar 10 2013, 04:08 PM)
Yup, which is why I advise earlier against buying Life/CI/TPD for people age 60. Thats where you need to focus the medical so that you do not need to liquidate whatever that had been saved/invested for your retirement.

Makes sense?
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Yes. smile.gif

Now, last questions... blush.gif

1. For a 30 yr old, reducing Life/TPD from RM150K to RM100K, is the reduction in insurance charges significant?

2. My agent kept pushing me to take SmartMedic 200 with SmartMedic Enhancer, but after looking thru the brochure, I felt than SM Enhancer is a bit "lebih", it's looks more like a "luxury" than a "need" to me.
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QUOTE(Pebbie @ Mar 9 2013, 10:18 PM)
Hi, just received a statement from GE. it seems that my plan is called SMARTPROTECT ESSENTIAL INSURANCE 2. it comes with:

0281    SMART PROTECT ESSENTIAL INSURANCE 2    60,000
U30      CRITICAL ILLNESS BENEFIT RIDER                  50,000
U66      SMART MEDIC                                                150
U78      IL WAIVER OF PREMIUM PLUS RIDER              1920
U81      IL GRET INCOME RIDER                                  15000

The 1st column is plan code, second column is plan name, 3rd column is amount of benefits. It also purchases Lion Strategic Fund and Lion Enhanced Equity Fund.

Now that i learned more about insurance, i feel that my plan is not good. Any advice of what to axe and what to increase?

The plan is almost 3 years old, start at 25/5/2010. monthly payment is RM160, and as of 31/12/2012, value of fund is RM817.59 and RM353.12 respectively.

Planning to increase the policy benefit as my income increased.
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"Not good" in what sense? Can elaborate?
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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Mar 10 2013, 06:47 PM)
1. Definitely it will result in reduction of premium. However if your policy is less than 3 years, your agent will not be happy  whistling.gif

2. Minta penjelasan from the GE agents here. If you need a quote from Prudential, for comparison, give me a PM  notworthy.gif
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Eh sorry I mistook u for GE agent laugh.gif

Minta ampun notworthy.gif

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post Mar 10 2013, 09:13 PM

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QUOTE(Pebbie @ Mar 10 2013, 07:46 PM)
It seems that the coverage is not high enough to reflect my earning. and im not so sure why should i put money into fund buying with insurance.

any1 know what is the U78 and U81 plan?
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u78 is premium waiver, means if u cacat or kena critical illness n loss of working capability, the insurans company will "pay" ur premium for u.

as for u81, if u kena tpd ie cacat, u get monthly income.rm15000 x 10% every year

its an investment linked plan, u can amend it anytime by increasing ur sum assured. of cos, kena increase ur premium lo

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post Mar 10 2013, 10:06 PM

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joseph, can advise me on my issue? 30 yr old, reduce 150k to 100k, premium 220, can include smartmedic 150 without cash value problem?
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QUOTE(joseph8 @ Mar 10 2013, 10:46 PM)
yes, it will be affected because the cost of getting a medical card is higher than the insurance charges saved from reducing sum assured. (output more than input)

For example lets look at the insurance charge at 60 years old (30 years later) ,

At the age of 60,

the insurance charge for death n TPD = RM1707 for 150k coverage.
the insurance charge for death n TPD = RM1138 for 100k coverage.

You saved RM600 at that age for cutting RM50k death n TPD coverage.

The cost of getting SM150 at 60 years old is RM1100.

Hence cash value estimated to drop RM500 at that age in this example.

Is your plan Smart Protect Essential Insurance 2? My numbers are based on this plan.
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post Mar 10 2013, 10:57 PM

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I dun mind getting lower surrender Value, just jangan sampai plan kena terminate due to tak cukup cash value
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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Mar 11 2013, 08:01 AM)
AddVantage bukan ILP if not mistaken. Its like Prudential PRUvantage. Take a wild guess who copied who  biggrin.gif
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AddVantage Plus is an ILP lar, I know my policies. Aiyoyo Roy Steven, ini macam pun mau gaduh dengan GE biggrin.gif

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