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Calvin Ong
post Jun 10 2013, 09:44 PM

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Hi all,

For investment link policy, as I know we can reduce the sum insured for Life/TPD and 36CI at anytime upon request (subject to a minimum amount).

Let say I buy an investment link insurance with high sum insured amount for Life/TPD and 36CI. At old age (after 60 years old), if I want to reduce the sum insured in order to reduce the cost of insurance, will the insurability an issue?

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Calvin Ong
post Jun 10 2013, 11:43 PM

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QUOTE(netmask8 @ Jun 10 2013, 10:46 PM)
Good Question.. I also got bought PA rm400k many years ago.. PA is very cheap.

U must remember, only got ORIGINAL / GENUINE 1x copy of  Death Certification 1x copy of  Medical Report  and 1x copy of Police Report ..  Can claim 3x different/same insurance companies ?

Can 3x different/same insurance company willing to accept "Certified True Copy" with the CHOP of the above from the insurance agent/family member
to claim ? Any insurance AGENTS help b4 to claimed insurance using "CERTIFIED TRUE COPY"  ?? 

He Posted Good Question to share it here.. Any insurance agents can help to answer this question? If otherwise, public will
stick to ONLY 1x long and royal insurance company/AGENT to serve them.. Have a great day.
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Interested to know the answer as well...

How about if the person buy multiple Life Insurance? GENUINE copy for death certificate only got 1... I think insurance company should be OK with "CERTIFIED TRUE COPY"...
Calvin Ong
post Jun 11 2013, 12:12 PM

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Hi All,

For Total and Permanent Disability, it is mean to be Loss of both of: eyes, arms or legs...

Let say for a case that the Policy holder lost 1 leg due to Diabetes, is it mean that his/her life insurance won't pay any cents since it is not defined as TPD?

In 36 critical illness policy offered by insurance company, Diabetes is not covered right?
Calvin Ong
post Jun 11 2013, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Jun 11 2013, 01:04 PM)
Do refer to TPD table. It pays by percentage. The above is payable and is considered as Total Permanent Disable (TPD) subject to waiting period, of course)

Diabetes itself is not under the 36 CI but if not control can leads to organ failure(kidney), amputation or blindness. Hence anyone who developed diabetes is not payable until the illness manifest into something more severe.

Same goes to high blood pressure.

Should both kidney fails and needs dialysis, that is covered under the medical card.

Having said that, older waiver does not waives the premium should someone is TPD. Newer policies waiver covers the TPD before age 70, and Critical Illness.
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If I am not mistaken, TPD table is only applied to Personal Accident Insurance (it pay by percentage). For life insurance, TPD is either defined as:

1) Loss of both eyes or arms or legs,
2) Cannot return to work due to permanent disability AND cannot do any 3 of the Daily Activities

If the policy holder lost 1 arm OR 1 leg due to natural causes, not accident, it is not yet achieve the condition of TPD. Thus, insurance company won't pay any cents. Is it correct???


I know that there are some early pay CI rider which pay 10% or 20% of CI sum insured (depend on company) for amputation of any 1 limb due to Diabetes. However, what I concern is that for amputation of 1 leg due to diabetes, is it cover under normal 36 CI???

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Calvin Ong
post Jun 11 2013, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(ExpZero @ Jun 11 2013, 01:55 PM)
Yes, you are right, Losing of one leg OR one hand is not under the definition of TPD for Life policy. Under PA, it's under partial disability which is payable under a certain percentage.

As long as the unfortunate is happen and it falls under the definition as per policy contract, Any insurance company will pay it. nod.gif
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Actually losing of 1 leg can cause very serious effect for the person to earn income... Depend on job, some person might not be able to return to work after losing of 1 leg... Losing of 1 hand also can cause trouble for the person to earn income, but may not be as serious as lose of 1 leg.

Wonder why insurance company only pay for lose of both limbs, but not any one limb.
Calvin Ong
post Jun 11 2013, 02:13 PM

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severance one limb each at or above his wrist and ankle... There is a word each there. I think it mean both limb. Correct me if I am wrong.

QUOTE(roystevenung @ Jun 11 2013, 01:57 PM)
Sorry, let me rephrase. Replying on highway OTW to KL.

For Accidental death and disable, a loss of leg is 100% payable of the sum insured

TPD definition


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