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coolberi2
post May 11 2010, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(chew_ronnie @ May 10 2010, 08:35 PM)
My answers to you:

1. 70% on product and 30% on agent. Because life insurance is to protect you. If agent does not service, you can do yourself in their headquarters although it'll be a bit troublesome.
2. From the illustration you see i ILP is fixed. Because ILP works on unit cancellation, and the cost of insurance is not guaranteed, and if the performance of the fund is not so good in the future, you may need to top up to get your ILP working. To see how it works, pls attached a copy of the illustration of your ILP proposal and I'll teach you how.
3. There are life stand alone card and general stand alone cards. Life cards are normally guaranteed renewable up to a whatever age the card expires. For general cards, it is normally not guaranteed renewable.
4. Take note when you buy a traditional policy with premium waiver because a premium waiver will normally waive the basic death portion. The riders ie. CI or Medical Card or PA premiums u still need to pay. Traditional policies will be priced higher for the same coverage as compared to ILPs, but the advantage is you'll have consistent returns at the end. ILP on the other hand will be cheaper in price but returns are not guaranteed. So my advice is, how much protection you need and what is your budget, then only decide what policy to get.
5. Look at their sales illustration and ask them what every rider means. Yes you are true that different agents from the same company may give you different riders at different prices. But you don't need to worry because you may not need all of them. The rule of thumb to choose ILP is to look at the cash values projected at the end of 30 yrs. If the cash value is zero at say 25th year, then you will have a tendency to top up. Again this is based on illustration basis maybe 3% to 8% every year. This only serves as a guide. It may go higher or lower depending on the economy.
6. For life and CI, the term is normally 100. For med card is normally 70, 81 and 100. So on the med card, do look for every pros and cons, meaning if a card can cover you up to 100, but lacks this and that, then whats the point? Again in M'sia, the sick age shall be in the region of 50+ to 70+. So judge this for yourself.
7. No not true. Depend on which company. For Great Eastern, AIA and ING, the life must be greater or equivalent because their CI rider will deduct a portion from them when a claim is made. For Allianz and Pru, you will have the option to seperate out the CI rider meaning if claim CI, it wont affect the life portion. These are the companies that i've gathered information so far by reading their policies. GE, AIA and ING may have new riders, so agents from these companies do confirm ok.

I hope my lengthy explaination helps you.

PM me if you need a quote for comparison ok. I'm from Allianz.

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post May 12 2010, 11:03 AM

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I received a call from a company representing Public Bank and ING. They're going to offer me a hospitalization plan for PB saving account holders for RM 55 per month.

Anybody hear this before?
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post May 15 2010, 08:26 AM

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My insurance Lonpac do not cover my Pre Diagnostic Test for Sleep Apnea .
What is Sleep Apnea and how dangerous can it be to you . It is also a symptom to heart disease if not treated early.

It seems like US insurance policy cover this and even provide machines to their Policy holder . just read the bottom link here.

http://beatsleepapnea.howitsdone.net/how-bad-is-sleep-apnea/
http://www.apneasupport.org/about2719.html
http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/dci/Diseas...nea_WhatIs.html

But my doc will prob try the claim for me. will see.


This are the machine that patient need for treatment.
http://sleep.lovetoknow.com/Best_CPAP

http://www.cpap.com/cpap-machines/apap-machine.php

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post May 15 2010, 09:11 AM

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Great Eastern is the best.. smile.gif

I myself insured by it. Even ventured into it part time but didnt work out for me due to lack of time and commitment (before i recruited any customers as I dont wanna let them down later by doing things halfway).

I have great friends @ GE selling insurance and are very good agents. Interested please pm me and i'll inform them to contact you via phone or face 2 face.

After learning so much bout insurance, all I can say is it is needed, at any age if you can afford to get one. In case anything were to happen, you and your family will have much less burden. It is also part of saving and investment as the life insurance premium keeps growing with interest (exclu med card as the fees are burnt yearly, not much the most equivalent to paying internet/astro fees a month, yet giving u health coverage to the max when u need it)

anyone interested can ask me further and i'll explain smile.gif

*hint: GE is number 1 in malaysia, the best... according to Bank Negara statistics and year to year performance chart... they nvr fail to perform and always keep to their words to their customers!* thumbup.gif

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post May 15 2010, 10:06 AM

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thanksDAvidTcf, i already have one guy in Allianz, GE and ING who are all consider professional also to me , so out of respect to the GE guy i will stick to one person first for time being.

So you were saying that Sleep Apnea diagnostic is covered by GE right? how about the cost of machine for treatment? The machine is costing like RM 6K to 8K you know.

I ask the doc this question?

Can I die? Possibly.
Can I get Heart Stroke? Most Probably
Is this the first symptom to heart Attack? Yes

So why is LonPac denying my claim and provide treatment for me .. ? The most they could do is reject my next renewal right?


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post May 15 2010, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(hackwire @ May 15 2010, 10:06 AM)
thanksDAvidTcf, i already have one guy in Allianz, GE and ING who are all consider professional also to me , so out of respect to the GE guy i will stick to one person first for time being.

So you were saying that Sleep Apnea diagnostic is covered by GE right? how about the cost of machine for treatment? The machine is costing like RM 6K to 8K you know.

I ask the doc this question?

Can I die? Possibly.
Can I get Heart Stroke? Most Probably
Is this the first symptom to heart Attack? Yes

So why is LonPac denying my claim and provide treatment for me .. ? The most they could do is reject my next renewal right?
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problem is ppl dont understand bout the concept of insurance and their mechanism.

One is suppose to get themselves insured before a sickness kicks in, else it would be difficult for any insurance to cover them. (It's just how they work, they cant go covering someone when they know the person is already diagnosed with a serious illness)

That is when one will start valuing their policy. And that is why purchasing a good insurance before such a *touchwood* thing happens is important. icon_question.gif

Yes, for GE such a treatment is nothing. For my med card alone, I pay around 60 a month yet my life time coverage is totaled to 600k. And they wouldn't question how you use it if you need to.

Life policy covers 2 things, permanent disablement, 36 critical illnesses (cancer, other serious illnesses etc) and death ($$ will go to loved ones). If not after 20 years one can consider withdrawing it for personal use if need to (total + interest which will b lower than the perma disablement/critic. illness/death).

So conclusion one needs 2 important things to be fully covered, Life policy and med card. These two which is seldom touched concurrently by agents nowadays as med card has a lower profit return than a life policy/investment policy. A good agent will tell u, that u need these two and that it's a must, the rest are just additives if you have extra $$.

How profit is calculated to the agents:
Med card return = 1 time payment to the agent only... which is total for that year. yet they have to service u ur whole life till death. (visiting u at hospital and running the claims for u)

Life/investment policy = 60%, 50%, 40%, 30%, and lastly 20% for first five years of total out of what you pay will be their commission. Yet a good agent will continue serving you well even if you're out of that 5 years already. They are suppose to serve you for LIFE, thus explains their high commission being paid to them. smile.gif


hope that explains.

Anyway GE is the best, which is due to:
1. always guranteed payment (but doesnt mean no delay as they need to process etc)
2. helpful agents which will really explain to u and run up and down for u (make sure u reli choose your agent, once start no turning back.)
3. high interest rates (they always do well due to good investment around the globe. GE is a sporean based company yet grew fast.)
4. Total assets is 3 times to the nearest competitor (u can check in bank negara statistics, in billions).


A good insurance company needs to know how to survive, how to be at the top, how to handle its funds.

As insurance has high profit and fast liquidity as well due to ppl applying for claims etc. A good insurance company will not simply use its funds and must be "kiamsiap" in terms of spending and must know how to invest well to make more money out of policy holder's money. (which is why u rarely see GE compete for the advertising space as it costs a bomb to do so... they depend heavily on good agent training and policy returns)

And another thing is, when u buy insurance, always choose the best in that particular country. Let's say ur in China, I wouldnt recommended GE yet you must go for China Insurance, which is the biggest there. That is when u can reap the max outta it.

Alot of ppl dont know bout the above, is when u join in the industry and really start learning and selling, then you will understand it fully. Thats why being an insurance agent is able to earn ALOT, if you are good at it. Yet for the buyers, u need to buy smart wink.gif

*hint: for life policy, you dont need to buy alot, just buy what u can afford first and slowly upgrading it when u can afford to. For med card always go for the best or 2nd best available to u for that insurance. As med card is important when shown at the hospital. Better cards give u better rooms (which is important when u imagine the hospital u go to is full? and its an emergency?)


Added on May 15, 2010, 11:31 amanother important fact:

quitting your policy early = losses (u will get less than wat u invested in earlier. muz be done else alot of ppl will quit quit quit when times are bad)

and once u wanna start buying again? the mthly/annual fee will be higher.

why? due to ur lifespan being reduced as time goes by, thats why the fee will be jacked up.. its just common sense wink.gif

This post has been edited by Davidtcf: May 15 2010, 11:32 AM
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post May 15 2010, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(pchan84 @ May 15 2010, 11:58 AM)
Lol, r u advertising for Great Eastern?
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lol.. and u are an agent for PBank?

it's about passion to help those under-informed or misinformed. i dont do this for money just wanna help smile.gif
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post May 15 2010, 12:22 PM

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So basically im covered for my sleep apnea disease which was confirmed by my doc . at first i didn't even know there was such thing over the past years. i bought insurance policy first before i know i got this. if they had accepted my weight and height and gave it a pass last time than it is proven that im fit to buy.

when i see the coverage, they mentioned Hospital Fees Provided, Pre Hospital Diagnostic Test, In-Patient Consultant fees... all these were mentioned as Charged. Wah Lao Weh!!! now they make this disease a specific one that cannot be claim... how come.

That's the reason y i still encourage people to be aware or question more on the grey areas on insurance policy. Most american had the same problems , we are just duplicating their problems .


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post May 15 2010, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(hackwire @ May 15 2010, 12:22 PM)
So basically im covered for my sleep apnea disease which was confirmed by my doc . at first i didn't even know there was such thing over the past years. i bought insurance policy first before i know  i got this. if they had accepted my weight and height and gave it a pass last time than it is proven that im fit to buy.

when i see the coverage, they mentioned Hospital Fees Provided, Pre Hospital Diagnostic Test, In-Patient Consultant fees... all these were mentioned as Charged. Wah Lao Weh!!! now they make this disease a specific one that cannot be claim... how come.

That's the reason y i still encourage people to be aware or question more on the grey areas on insurance policy. Most american had the same problems , we are just duplicating their problems .
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then u have to start questioning whether that is a good insurance to begin with?

Yes I have heard such stories before. That's why an insurance company's reputation is important.

I feel for u bro... Hope u'll be able to settle it.

If I were you, I would terminate that policy, get a better one to cover. Some insurance are lidat, ask u pay out and stuff and all, and come to claim reach a dead end when u really need it.
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post May 15 2010, 12:35 PM

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QUOTE(pchan84 @ May 15 2010, 12:30 PM)
Nah, if u know me long enough, u will know wat type of person i am, and im not an agent, im jus the bank staff. Im jus curious about the authority u have saying which one is the best and which are not. Anyway, i know u r jus helping =)
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bcoz i was once an agent before. I even passed all the exams required to be an agent and is attached with an agency, u can search it up it's called Eastern-Link based in Ampang. smile.gif

even had a senior to mentor me. i even went for the seminars and is closed with the managers. They helped me alot yet I felt I am unable to at this time.

That's whr my knowledge came from. My agency practices transparency to their clients, we say the truth when asked and will b sincere. that is our culture there.

Imagine if u were me, having an IT degree, being so stressed up with work already and still need to push for sales in this line, is not easy. And lastly i lack that passion and drive to keep selling and help ppl around me. Finally i came to conclusion it could be in future i might pursue this again, but not now.

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QUOTE(Davidtcf @ May 15 2010, 12:35 PM)
bcoz i was once an agent before. I even passed all the exams required to be an agent and is attached with an agency, u can search it up it's called Eastern-Link based in Ampang. smile.gif

even had a senior to mentor me. i even went for the seminars and is closed with the managers. They helped me alot yet I felt I am unable to at this time.

That's whr my knowledge came from. My agency practices transparency to their clients, we say the truth when asked and will b sincere. that is our culture there.

Imagine if u were me, having an IT degree, being so stressed up with work already and still need to push for sales in this line, is not easy. And lastly i lack that passion and drive to keep selling and help ppl around me. Finally i came to conclusion it could be in future i might pursue this again, but not now.
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Sorry to say that I dun actually agree on if you choose a policy in the biggest Inusrnace Company in M'sia GE. Best company doesnt mean best product and I've mentioned before there are no best policies around. It depends from person to person. AN INFORCED policy is the best policy...

Sorry again, if u say buy insurance must buy GE because its the largest in M'sia. Can I say a person must buy Proton because the Proton has the largest market share in M'sia. Got to be kidding man. I'm not against anything!

I'm not here to offend, but if you really lay out the policies offered by other companies, you'll see each and every one has their pros and cons. Don't hold on to the pride of GE Biggest = Best ok?

thanks and this is my view and I believe many forummers will agree with me.
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QUOTE(chew_ronnie @ May 15 2010, 01:56 PM)
Sorry to say that I dun actually agree on if you choose a policy in the biggest Inusrnace Company in M'sia GE. Best company doesnt mean best product and I've mentioned before there are no best policies around. It depends from person to person. AN INFORCED policy is the best policy...

Sorry again, if u say buy insurance must buy GE because its the largest in M'sia. Can I say a person must buy Proton because the Proton has the largest market share in M'sia. Got to be kidding man. I'm not against anything!

I'm not here to offend, but if you really lay out the policies offered by other companies, you'll see each and every one has their pros and cons. Don't hold on to the pride of GE Biggest = Best ok?

thanks and this is my view and I believe many forummers will agree with me.
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yeap u can say other insurances have their own pros.. like ING and Prudential selling more affordable plans etc...

all have their strengths. But believe me i'm saying the fact on the biggest is more secure.

If u do not believe is up to u, the decision of choosing which insurance is really entirely up to u. In the end it's your own investment and return anyway. smile.gif

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QUOTE(Davidtcf @ May 15 2010, 11:20 AM)
How profit is calculated to the agents:

Life/investment policy = 60%, 50%, 40%, 30%, and lastly 20% for first five years of total out of what you pay will be their commission. Yet a good agent will continue serving you well even if you're out of that 5 years already. They are suppose to serve you for LIFE, thus explains their high commission being paid to them.  smile.gif
Just curious, which insurance company offers such a good commission scheme for life/investment policy?
My insurance company didn't pay me so much...
However, so far I'm satisfy with my insurance company as it provides me with the courses that I needed to pursue my professionalism.



QUOTE(Davidtcf @ May 15 2010, 11:20 AM)
bcoz i was once an agent before. I even passed all the exams required to be an agent and is attached with an agency, u can search it up it's called Eastern-Link based in Ampang.
What's so great about passing the exams required? Even a part-time insurance agent have to pass PCE exam in order to sell insurance. In addition, there's lots of agents out there who have passed CEILLI exam as well but what can I say is they don't even know how ILP works (even though they have been sold a lot of ILPs to their customers)!
To me, I think the exams required to be an insurance agent is not enough actually. Unless you tell me that you have passed some of the professional exams such as RFP, CFP and etc, otherwise it's nothing to brag about.



QUOTE(chew_ronnie @ May 15 2010, 01:56 PM)
AN INFORCED policy is the best policy...
True enough... Totally agreed with you!


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QUOTE(gavin_lim @ May 15 2010, 02:34 PM)
Just curious, which insurance company offers such a good commission scheme for life/investment policy?
My insurance company didn't pay me so much...
However, so far I'm satisfy with my insurance company as it provides me with the courses that I needed to pursue my professionalism.
What's so great about passing the exams required? Even a part-time insurance agent have to pass PCE exam in order to sell insurance. In addition, there's lots of agents out there who have passed CEILLI exam as well but what can I say is they don't even know how ILP works (even though they have been sold a lot of ILPs to their customers)!
To me, I think the exams required to be an insurance agent is not enough actually. Unless you tell me that you have passed some of the professional exams such as RFP, CFP and etc, otherwise it's nothing to brag about.
True enough... Totally agreed with you!
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1. could be investment link type.. those are different in commission, start from low to high instead. sry for typo earlier.

2. yes in the end the exams are peanut, it's the agent's experience and commitment. How serious is he in this line. I am not bragging.. i have already left the line of selling it what's there to brag about? ==
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QUOTE(Davidtcf @ May 15 2010, 11:20 AM)
Life/investment policy = 60%, 50%, 40%, 30%, and lastly 20% for first five years of total out of what you pay will be their commission. Yet a good agent will continue serving you well even if you're out of that 5 years already. They are suppose to serve you for LIFE, thus explains their high commission being paid to them.  smile.gif [/color]

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I agree with gavin_lim on this. You don't even know how the commission scheme works furthermore it's spread over 6 years not 5.


Added on May 15, 2010, 5:25 pm
QUOTE(Davidtcf @ May 15 2010, 02:16 PM)


all have their strengths. But believe me i'm saying the fact on the biggest is more secure.


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Biggest means more secure? What happen to AIG in America?

Again choosing life insurance policies depends on agents and what products suits what person.

Say for example, medical plan from GE - SmartMedic or Great Medicare 2, can you say that these 2 products will suit every single person in M'sia? Even when it fits and you see it's more expensive, you customer cannot pay, then you still ask him to buy because GE is the best? I can't get thru this la to be frank.

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choosing the product that suits u the most is more important... no point buying something u dun need...
i 2nd chew_ronnie. biggest is NOT necessarily more secured. AIG collapse in '08 and how come all ppl rush to AIG to collect their money back? if it is 'more secured', when AIG collapse, they shld rest assure that their money is safe...
and, say, if u work in an office in a business district, would driving a 18-wheeler there means it is more secured than driving a mercedes? i believe no...

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yaya, say watever u agents wanna say... im outta here..
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sorry but i'm no agent of any insurance company or financial institutions. i think you really shldnt be that judgemental; concluding anything based on your instincts or by the comments from others. thanks.
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post May 15 2010, 10:19 PM

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first of all, malaysian insurance are standardized by bank negara as what been told but than again we are still trying to cater to small , big and medium size customer.

again, just go and watch Sicko and the same problems American face is going to be happen here soon and in fact i think soon Doctor will get commission too for denying claims of the patient. Nobody dig anything here so it can happen.

We are not even develop country yet but we buy the idea from the President of America who betrays their own citizens with Watergate Scandals . He was sold by this insurance idea by a senator so that more medicine can profits and makes American pay for it. Even Hillary Clinton who provides alternatives to the ideas from the 70s can be silenced by giving her seats and political career by the people who makes lots of money in the medicine business and insurance.

But of course, don't put all your egg in one basket lah... insurance is still a chance that you will get what you really gets if you understand it clearly and honest. if you are honest, they are honest.

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QUOTE(hackwire @ May 15 2010, 10:19 PM)


But of course, don't put all your egg in one basket lah... insurance is still a chance that you will get what you really gets if you understand it clearly and honest. if you are honest, they are honest.

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