QUOTE(ivanswk @ Mar 16 2009, 09:54 AM)
One year and three months. Why do you ask that? QUOTE(Colaboy @ Mar 16 2009, 07:41 PM)
Can you show us the proof that AIG is going to bankrupt??? This post has been edited by lcl832002: Mar 16 2009, 08:48 PM
INSURANCE TALK, ok let start
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QUOTE(ivanswk @ Mar 16 2009, 09:54 AM) One year and three months. Why do you ask that? QUOTE(Colaboy @ Mar 16 2009, 07:41 PM) Can you show us the proof that AIG is going to bankrupt??? This post has been edited by lcl832002: Mar 16 2009, 08:48 PM |
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QUOTE(richnet @ Mar 26 2009, 03:49 PM) at post #407, ivanswk asked about his situation, where his money will gone to... I never say that AIA's products are very good. I just tell the facts and figures. Some of the basic principles are applicable to other insurance companies' products, not only AIA. I can't judge for him. He should judge himself whether they are good or not.and you replied at post #408, which the info given are nothing really answer his queries, you keep talking about how this works and that works, making like how expert that you are..... and at post #411, you are just merely PROMOTING how good and how good your AIA insurance company are... is it really that good? since you know so much, tell me about "Critical years"... If you find that the info I provide here is wrong and misleading because I want to increase my sales here, please sue me without hesitation... Thanks... |
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Mar 27 2009, 12:32 PM
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QUOTE(richnet @ Mar 27 2009, 02:27 AM) sigh.... well, firstly, you skipped what i said about ivanswk's query. People asked me for info. Then I shared. Then you said I was promoting my products. I never sell something to them. I just tell the facts and figures so that they have more choices. If they are interested to know more, they can try to ask in details and buy it from an agent nearby his area, not from me...2nd thing, why would I wanted to sue you? You should be more aware of what you're talking/sharing here. 3rd thing, I didn't say that you say AIA's products are very good as you claimed of what I said. I said you were merely PROMOTING your products. like how? these are the stuff you wrote... and I bold up some parts to make you realise it. inside this topic, at post #411, you wrote these: ====================================== "The sum assured for whole life insurance is fixed unless you add premium. Whereas, the sum assured for endowment plans will increase depending on the performance of AIA Berhad. If AIA Berhad performs very badly, a dividend of 4 % is payable to its policyholders. If AIA Berhad performs very well, a dividend of 7 % is payable to its policyholders. The premium for endowment plans is guaranteed to be fixed. The return for endowment plans is not guaranteed but it must be at least 4 % for AIA Berhad no matter how bad AIA Berhad performs. For Investment Linked Plans, the return can be zero or negative if the funds you choose perform very badly." ====================================== I explained by refering to AIA only here because I spend most of my time studying AIA products. So, I don't dare to say something about other products from other insurance companies. However, most of the basic principles I mentioned can be applied to most of the products offered by Prudential, ING, Great Eastern and others. So, I am not just talking about AIA. I just use AIA products as an example... QUOTE(Vieri777 @ Mar 27 2009, 11:49 AM) just want to share my thots on this... Agree... Educating clients are very important...to those buying insurance...always remember, insurance is insurance ie its for protection, for rainy days, for when you meet with accident, for when you kena heart attack etc.....therefore u must PAY for that protection...if never kena anything, then GOOD for u...dont think about the premium u already paid...thats the cost of the protection. if u wanna invest...go somewhere else. insurance for investment = lousy returns. cash back are just goodies and gimmicks to lure buyers in. and its the cash back that pushes up the premium you pay every month. go ask any agent how much it cost if NO cash back at all. how much is TERM LIFE. dirt cheap, friend ! to those selling....i know that you guys also cari makan, but pls educate your clients on ALL your products and not just the ones that pay the highest comm. tell them how to lower the premium, the pros and the cons.....THEN let them decide. This post has been edited by lcl832002: Mar 27 2009, 12:35 PM |
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QUOTE(Pennywise @ Apr 26 2009, 06:15 PM) I am totally new to this so I hope some of you vets can shed some light into my distorted point of view. In insurance, we have a term called 'COOLING OFF PERIOD' or 'FREE-LOOK PERIOD'. For details, please read WHAT IS A 'COOLING OFF PERIOD' OR 'FREE-LOOK PERIOD'?.I am planning to get an insurance and never had one before. A friend who works for Prudential full time approached me and drafted two options for me. One is called the PruLink and the other is the PruCash. After drafting these 2 simplified diagrams for me, she asked me to sign up. Well, I would love to because I know for a fact that, for insurance, the earlier you buy, the better. Problem here is, while persuading me to sign up, I have had no terms and conditions, projected growth table, list of covered illness and etc. I have a measly piece of A4 paper, drafted with pen and words spoken by mouth. I asked for a proposal and what I was told is that, there is no proposal until I sign up. So, here I start having doubts. I've known her for a decade, and I trust her but this isnt supposed to be the way it works, is it? I mean, how could you ask someone to sign up for something for 30 years, paying something like RM150 - RM300 per month for 30 years and not given a proposal? Would that have worked if the customer she approached is not me but a professional business man? She approached another friend of ours and gave him a proposal in A4 converted to PDF. A mere 4 line piece of art with limited information and I just dont believe that's how it is. My friend spoke to me about the way she worked and said that even his dad's insurance agent who has poor english gave a better proposal than the one he received from our friend here. So, I postponed my purchase and then told her that I would only buy after she answered a list of my questions. At that point of time, I didnt have much time to research on this Prudential product, so I left this behind with my To-Do-List until she recently text me and asked my decision. What should I know when buying an insurance? I hope it does help you. |
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Apr 26 2009, 11:24 PM
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QUOTE(Pennywise @ Apr 26 2009, 09:14 PM) The thing is, I know not of any other insurance policy, therefore I will not be able to tell if this is the relevant one for me. By the way, wouldnt it seem more normal if I was presented the policy contract by the insurance agent prior to purchasing? I'd like to read through the details to know what I'm offered, rather than a hand-drawn piece of art on a A4 paper. To me, as long as the plan is attractive to you, you should not think too much. If the plan is not attractive, then just don't buy it. Why? Every product in the market has its own strengths and weaknesses. We can never find a perfect product that suits all our insurance needs. There are too many plans in the market offered by 9 life insurers and 25 general insurers. How are we going to compare all the plans?Hihi, Is there a man who has no need for protection? I mean, is that even possible? Or have I been brainwashed by these insurance gimmick that everyone needs to own one? So what kind of a NEED is there for a single guy who works on a shift job, drives 100km a day to and back from work, with family to help out? Sorry, I am totally green in this area. I am trying my best not to rush and I need to do some shopping, yet I know not many insurance agent. At the same time, I do not want to be pestered into buying them. The day I picked up my friend from her appointment place, she got up the car complaining about the customer whom she had just met, spoke so much and didnt buy from her. I ended up being like that too! Not like I'm obligated to buy but just dont feel right since she just complaint about the other guy and I happened to do the same. Product brochure is actually a important summary of a policy contract. You may ask the agents to give you the brochures of the plans they recommend you. Like what I have written in my blog, if you find that the benefits you agent mentions to you before you buy a plan are not stated in your policy contract, you can choose to surrender it within 15 days from the date you receive your policy contract from your agent and get back all your money after deducting all the expenses incurred by an insurance company for processing your application. To me, only the person who has the ability to predict his own future doesn't need any insurance plan. |
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I think my English is too poor and has caused misunderstanding here. Thanks for sharing...
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QUOTE(Pennywise @ Apr 29 2009, 11:31 PM) To me, I cannot bring myself to commit on something just because it's attractive. For something we are going to pay for the next 30 years, we need it to be practical, to be worthy to every single cent of our hard earned money. If Benz, attractive, you buy boh? I think not. That's what I'm trying to say. When I say that the benefits in an insurance plan are attractive, it means that the plan suits your needs. In other words, the plan solves your problems. In other words, it is practical to you. I am not saying that the return of the plan is attractive.For example, if a medical card has renewability feature and it is guaranteed, I think this feature is very attractive because not every medical card in the market has this feature. So, does it mean it is not practical? If I can afford for a Benz or BMW, why not... This post has been edited by lcl832002: Apr 29 2009, 10:56 PM |
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QUOTE(Pennywise @ Apr 30 2009, 12:22 AM) Abang, Adik, The problem is I dont know how to measure whether it suits my needs. I am skeptical because I think there will be better offers out there. Ok, this may not be the right way to put it but something like: A. Offers me medical card with renewability feature and is guaranteed. B. Offers me the same + cash back Rm1000 per year (I know it's impossible) I just dont know what is out there in the market, so I dunno what suits me. I need to see these policies to start thinking and working on it step by step. Thanks for understanding and again, thanks for helping clear the confusion in my head. Very easy only. Normally, as an employee, we need 4 plans: i) medical card ii) 36 critical illnesses iii) personal accident iv) life insurance With these 4 plans, our personal protection is comprehensive already... All these 4 plans have their own purposes of buying, strengths and limitations. There are so many plans in the market and a lot of new plans is introduced each year. We can never find the best plan. If you can study all plans in the market, you yourself can be an insurance agent already. Let say you find that medical card from ING is the best after you compare all the medical cards from ING, AIA, Prudential and GE. But are you very sure that medical cards from other insurers like Allianz, Hong Leong Assurance and others are not better than ING??? This post has been edited by lcl832002: Apr 29 2009, 11:59 PM |
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Just to share a real story I read from a Chinese newspaper last time.
An old woman who was around 70 years old still had to work to take care of her son. Her son became diasbled due to an accident. Because he had never bought any insurance plans for his entire life, he lost his income permanently. If I am not mistaken, he was single. In order to cover his family's expenses, his mother had to work to earn some income to continue living. I don't know what will happen to her son if the old woman passes away in the future. I am not saying that the family deserves it because they don't buy insurance. Maybe they are too poor to buy insurance. But, the reality is we can't live in this world without any money... People are buying insurance because they know the reality that everyone of us can't run away from birth, aging, illness and death. |
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QUOTE(p3nang @ Apr 30 2009, 12:58 AM) Ya, agree.We may not have dependents (children) forever. But are we very sure that parents always die earlier than their children? Parents are our dependents also as they retire and no longer work any more... We don't hope this to happen. But, can we control it (death)? For babies, is it true that they really don't need all insurance plans at all? I don't think so. When we see a brochure of medical card from any insurers, the premium for a baby is more expensive than a teenager and a working young adult. Why? It is because babies have higher risk than teenagers and working young adults. This post has been edited by lcl832002: Apr 30 2009, 12:10 AM |
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QUOTE(xavi5567 @ Apr 30 2009, 11:14 AM) Wanna ask if i got a medical insurance.. And i go for specialist treatment .. will the insurance cover the specialist treatment.. The most important condition for us to use our medical card is whether we stay in a hospital. If we stay, then we can claim. If we don't stay, we can't claim. Of course, under several situations, we still can claim even we never stay in a hospital...When I say staying in a hospital, it means that we stay in a hospital because a doctor thinks it is necessary except for serious accident cases... |
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QUOTE(lin00b @ Apr 30 2009, 04:43 PM) I am planning to get some insurance (agents, pls DONT PM me) but i'm posting here with my view and looking for opinion. There are standalone critical illness plans in the market. One of them is from AIA. Other insurance companies, I don't know.Some agent has tole me that Critical Illness is not available on a term basis, i.e must be life (traditional??) and/or investment-linked. is this true? I am planning to get these following coverage: 1. a standalone medical card. 2. some CI/TPD (actually hopeing to get term covering until I'm 60-ish) but on hearing its not available, maybe i'll go for the life CI/TPD coverage. 2a. dont really need life, but again agent is saying CI/TPD must come with life (oh well, will help pay for the party 3. some yearly income in event of CI/disability (i believe this is more worthwhile compared to lump sum CI/TPD as the premium is much cheaper - max coverage 100k only though) 4. PA - again very low premium as my company is providing some insurance, the plans i am thinking on will act as supplement / back-up (in case something happen to be between jobs) comments? For TPD benefit (accident), personal accident plan is good enough. Certain PA plans do provide disability income for several years like 15 years in addition to one lump sum of compensation. However, TPD due to a critical illness is not covered by PA and it will be covered by critical illness plans and life insurance. |
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GENERALLY, medical card doesn't cover outpatient treatments except for:
i) Arthroscopy ii) Colonoscopy iii) Laparoscopy iv) Extracorporeal Shock Wave Lithotripsy v) Cataract Surgery... |
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QUOTE(chew_ronnie @ May 8 2009, 08:07 PM) Dreamer, Ya, this is a charateristics of ILP which some of the agents don't want to tell their prospects...You are very very right as we cannot predict the market. So that is the risk with ILPs. There is no guaranteed returns in ILPs. Ronnie This post has been edited by lcl832002: May 8 2009, 10:29 PM |
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QUOTE(laily enelya @ May 13 2009, 06:52 PM) I have a question.I still don't really understand the concept of insurance. There is no NCD given when we buy insurance like life, PA, critical illness and medical card...I do understand the concept for car insurance.You pay insurance to cover eg rm30K by paying rm1000.If you get into accident,the insurance co can pay up to rm30k.But then after that you need to start paying with 0 NCD,which is gonna be rm1k++. Is this the same as life insurance or medical insurance?I mean,once I claim for medical insurance if I was to be hospitalized,do I need to pay extra after that? |
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