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roystevenung
post Aug 15 2013, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(freewisefly @ Aug 14 2013, 11:37 PM)
So many questionmarks to understand this product. Take the highest plan (Package 1), This is strictly PA plan which cover TPD=RM100k, PA death=RM400k.
1. If insured person died not due to accident, insured get nothing?
2. what if insured person lost of 1 leg? any jackpot?
2. rm1.33 per day based on age below 1. what about 40? or 59?
3. Let say insured age 45 now, and maturity of this plan is 15 yrs. how much would insured person got refunded?
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1. Looks like it covers life and TPD (total and permanent disability) of Rm100k

2. For TPD, lost of one leg is not payable, unless its one leg and one hand. Or two legs. For accident, there is a table, payable by percentage. At least that is what is in Prudential policy.

3. The premium is based on level term, which means the premium has been precalculated and will remain the same throughout the term.

4. You get a full refund of what you paid, nothing more nothing less. You buy it for the coverage since in 20 years from now, getting back your premium means nothing.

The value of RM10k (assuming you are paying that much for the entire term of 20 years) is not the value of Rm10k 20 years later wink.gif

So in a way you can say that the insurance company "pinjam" your money of inflation whistling.gif
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post Aug 16 2013, 05:30 AM

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QUOTE(mcfeemo @ Aug 15 2013, 11:55 PM)
sorry for the previous wrong info..... basically the AIA medical card its reimbursement basis if the treatment is in singapore/brunei
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post Aug 16 2013, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(tikaram @ Aug 16 2013, 08:32 AM)
So Roy,

I am helping my friend who on;y finised SRP. ( form 3)

is it not bad to let people pinjam your inflation and u get cover of life and TPD?

accident dealth is entitleĀ  of 400% of sum assured.

Also this chart what does it mean.
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That is why I said you buy it for coverage bos.

Since you are helping your friend, do note that you cannot be a named beneficiary.

When you get the policy, do read in detail what is the definition of accidental death (if any). I am not saying there is any, but anything good from an insurance company is best to be clarified whistling.gif

The chart shows you the premium that will be refunded. If you cancel the policy within the first two years you get nothing.

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post Aug 16 2013, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(tikaram @ Aug 16 2013, 09:33 AM)
"buy if for coverage"  are not part of  insurance purpose is to cover risk like death due to accident?

So my friend is let bank pinjam the inflation to get himself cover for risk. Is this a good product? considering he is low income lorry driver but worry about what will happen when he carry those vegtbale from cameron to singapore weekly.

the beneficiary is the friend's wife
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Insurance main purpose is for coverage. No doubt about it.

For lorry drivers, you may need to check with HLA whether the policy is accepted with the same premium.

I would rather go for medical 1st rather than accident or TPD. The reason is because whenever someone meet with an accident, I am sure the first thing that comes to his wife's mind is how serious is it or can he be cured, rather than how much can I claim from insurance.
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post Aug 17 2013, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 17 2013, 10:40 AM)
Just to share - since i've gone through several hospitalization insurances for my new born recently.

Findings (based on $200K/yr in-patient coverage + $200K/life out-patient coverage, with total life time limit of $1.25M):
1. holy cow.. if i keep paying the yearly premium, i'd have paid $750K+ to $780K+ for age 0 to 99 years old.

2. Premiums jump HUGE at age 64-66 onwards

3. Age 0 to 5 is the most expensive,
then it goes down
and up again till 40s+ when the premium goes back up to similar to 0 to 5 years old cost.
Cost here is in simple terms, not inflated pa%.

Thus, bottom line - whoever that says insurance is a MUST, U may want to think again on achieving enough or more than enough to self insure. Insurance is just risk transference AT A COST
Think lar - insurance companies are profit oriented - U transfer risk to them, U think they dont add admin cost + profits before charging back to U?

Mind U - IMHO, insurance is needed to manage risk until one can manage / self insure. I'm not saying insurance is a bad thing or not needed at all.
Ahem.. to arguers stating we need insurance to drive a car, alo use brain lar - i'm talking about optional insurance lar, not Gov required ones.  shakehead.gif
Yes yes - i can read your minds <U know who U are> tongue.gif
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1. High cover means you transfer more risk to the insurer. wink.gif

2. Been preaching on the insurance jump since I started LYN. This is why I said even if the plan is called ILP, never look at it as investment. Whatever cash value accumulated will eventually be used at older age to maintain the policy.

The average Malaysian, not many have money stashed in order to take care of their insurance charges hike.

The insurance hike is not only 64-66. Look at the brochure on the estimated insurance costs especially at older age.

Having said that, more important is that whenever there is a claim, it wont be rejected whistling.gif

3. Yup, due to higher probability of a claim as kids immune system is weaker at that age.
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post Aug 18 2013, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(yappppp @ Aug 17 2013, 06:02 PM)
Hello sifus, I'm 23 years old, male, and non-smoker. Recently I've been quoted with the following insurance coverage:

Life: 100k
36CI: 100k
Early care 36CI: 50k
Monthly premium waiver: 2400/p.a.
Medical room: 150
Medical card: 100k annual limit, increase every 2 years if not used much
PA: 50k
Monthly premium: RM 200
Coverage until age of 80

Are all the above suitable for the age of mine? Is there any rider that I should increase or decrease?

P/S: If I increase the PA to 100k, the monthly premium becomes RM260.

Please advice~ Thank you very much..this is my first insurance btw.
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post Aug 19 2013, 01:16 AM

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QUOTE(twhong_91 @ Aug 18 2013, 10:24 PM)
guys, may i know is investment-linked insurance products, such as those savings plans, can those products help us to save our money and gain higher interest as compared to commercial banks?
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Short answer, NO, insurance is not for savings, nor it is for investment.

Long answer, click on below link.
( Insurance 101 )
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post Aug 20 2013, 12:36 AM

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QUOTE(twhong_91 @ Aug 20 2013, 12:23 AM)
As what I've read, you mentioned that insurance savings plan can achieve higher return as compared to FD but according to roystevenung, insurance is not meant for savings nor investment. May I know why?
I've read your blog before and I am also aware that insurance charges will increase as we grow older but the question is the savings plan is not really meant for savings? It's only purely for protection? Are you saying that when we purchase an insurance product, we are expecting something bad will happen to us, e.g. critical illnesses and TPD, so that we dont have to pay the monthly installment anymore?
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Do ask this question in the Finance and investment forum for an unbias, and most of the time accurate view. Well, you may ask WongMunKeong on his thoughts on insurance as investment or savings wink.gif
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post Aug 25 2013, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(nujikabane @ Aug 25 2013, 10:01 AM)
Am wondering,

Is there any insurance packages that covers for loss of employment too ?
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post Aug 26 2013, 06:43 AM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 23 2013, 05:16 PM)
Bro - imho, best to use insurance for coverage and invest the difference (ie. ILP what not), unless one is totally deficient in common sense and simple maths.

Reason:
In the real world, hitting 5%pa to 6%pa is quite do-able with a mixed approach of asset allocation in FD, Bond funds, stocks or equity funds, REITs or properties or REIT funds. The long term average should be around 7%pa to 8%pa if done systematically for a common person.
Do those ILPs promise at least 5%pa? hell, 3%pa to  4%pa?
No? Promise as in written guarantee in the policy wor.
No right? Ada ka?
Why not? Shock - horrors... may be so that they can wriggle their way out of it neh  brows.gif

FYI - my AIA insurance, from 1991/1992 to 2005/2006
Can't even hit 6%pa and this was during the time when FD was 10%pa+/- AND with the KLSE on a golden bull run (buy anything and it flies)
Why?
When i called AIA & asked whether i still needed to pay monthly coz way past "critical year" liao, they said yes - gotta keep paying
When i asked how much longer before auto-self funded? They said about 5 years.
When i asked whether this is FOR SURE? They said no.
Alo - based on my calculations, they didnt even hit 4%pa on average long term returns + i bought the donkey thing when i was 19/20 years old.

Final opinion to share using "cars" to relate:
When U want a reliable & safe car, U go & buy a reliable & safe car like say Volvo right?
Do U expect it to perform like a Ferarri (speed like mad & handles like whoa..) and a Pajero (off road & mountain climbing)  and be fuel efficient like a Kanchill?
If U buy a car that has all 4 vehicles' features - how much U think it'll cost? AND how U think it'll perform its main criteria of being a reliable & safe car VS a Volvo?  brows.gif

Just a thought  notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(darksider_515 @ Aug 26 2013, 02:24 AM)
a person above age of how many are not allow to purchase saving plan insurance?? (AIA)
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Please see mr wongmunkeong replies.

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post Sep 18 2013, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(moko123456789 @ Sep 18 2013, 11:35 AM)
why my PRU agent told me to pay 1st then claim ? because my insurance have not reach 120days . if i have no money tp pay 1st then how ?
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Hi moko, mind if i ask what is the reason for the admission? If it is due to anything that is under the specified illness waiting period of 120 days then it wont be covered at all, irrespective of whether you pay first or not. For common ailment, there is a 30days waiting period.

If its accidental cases, then admission is by the medical card. Do note that there is a small deposit that will be collected by the hospital, Rm300-Rm500.
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post Sep 18 2013, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(moko123456789 @ Sep 18 2013, 11:51 AM)
hi roy , my baby was only 2 month and he had flu(cold) just minor only and i ask for admit because got doctor took take care over him . i just wanted to know how i should pay 1st then claim ? i wont my insurance just cover for me ?
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When is the policy start date? If it has past the 1 month waiting period, just use the medical card.
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post Sep 18 2013, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(moko123456789 @ Sep 18 2013, 12:01 PM)
yes Roy already past 1 month period and i got my medical card but agent told me i need to pay first then take receipt to claim later  rclxub.gif . Why not the medical card settle itself ?
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Nope, not true. Just show the card at the hospital, pay the deposit and get admitted. Common ailment waiting period is 30days. Since it has passed the 30 days, just show the card.

You did go to the Prudential panel hospital, right?
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QUOTE(asil66 @ Sep 18 2013, 12:01 PM)
sifus here... I want to seek some advice...

I already have an insurance plan (life+medical+pa). However, this plan do not cover ladies related illness.

If I want coverage for ladies related illnesses, is it better to add on to my existing plan or get a new one?
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Better to add on to prevent incurring another policy fee if the plan is able to add in riders.

Mind if i ask, which insurance company is your existing plan?
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post Sep 18 2013, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(moko123456789 @ Sep 18 2013, 12:08 PM)
yes i go to island hospital and it was pru panel hospital right ?!?!
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Yup. Its definitely our panel hospital. Go ahead and use the card since its been 2 months already.

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QUOTE(asil66 @ Sep 18 2013, 01:39 PM)
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Try calling your Allianz agent to inquire on whether they have Ladies plan. If not, well you may get a standalone ladies plan from Prudential thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(moko123456789 @ Sep 18 2013, 12:13 PM)
thanks Roy . i dont know why my agent told me to pay 1st then claim later .  hmm.gif now im so suspicious with my agent why told me like this
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No problem, just get your son sorted out, thats more important at the moment.

If you need help, you may Whatsapp or call me. My nos are in my signature.

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 18 2013, 02:32 PM)
Thanks for hooking me up with Pru SG bro  notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(Better Life @ Sep 23 2013, 06:29 PM)
Hi all,

My boyfriend is in his mid-30s. Is the insurance coverage in Plan A sufficient (for "the rest of his life" and assuming he wants to protect his wealth as in not wanting to use any significant amount of his own money for medical expenses) or should he go for Plan B (which is double the premium of Plan A):

Plan A
Medical insurance: RM150k annual limit, RM750k lifetime limit, good outpatient cancer/kidney coverage)
CI: RM70k for 5 most common critical illnesses
PA: RM180k

Plan B
Medical insurance: RM250k annual limit, RM1.2 million lifetime limit, good outpatient cancer/kidney coverage)
CI: RM220k for 36 critical illnesses
PA: RM180k

Yes, he can afford Plan B but will he be buying too much insurance and thus wasting money that could be better used for investment? Please adviceĀ  - thanks!
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Based on today's medical, I would say that if someone had spend > RM200K within a policy year, the chances of survival would be rather slim. Hence, spending on something > RM200K annual limit (unless he can afford it and don't mind paying for it) whistling.gif

If he is worried of the medical inflation, he can gradually increase it say once every 5 years.

May I ask, why RM 70K CI or even RM 220K for CI? How was that figure being derived? Is it based on the budget given? hmm.gif

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post Sep 24 2013, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(nakedtruth @ Sep 24 2013, 09:23 AM)
i understand if the women protection is a stand alone then it will not share with life insurance but
what if the women protection is a rider to the life insurance?
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If you buy the ladies plan as a standalone, then there is no additional life insurance associated to the plan.

However if you attached the ladies plan as a rider to a life insurance plan, then there is a life insurance + ladies plan. In terms of premium, life+ ladies plan is more expensive as it provides addtional coverage.

Hope it clarifies your doubts.


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