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May 22 2013, 09:24 PM
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May 23 2013, 07:07 PM
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May 23 2013, 07:20 PM
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Jun 2 2013, 01:05 AM
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QUOTE(danlhct @ Jun 1 2013, 09:43 AM) Can someone please help me to understand how come my prudential medical card PMM3 is so expensive as compared to Great Eastern SmartMedic 200 medical card? Please do not cancel Prudential plan as the plan is far more superior. Just compare the EXCLUSION and you will notice that newer plans are more stringent and has more exclusions.At my age of 35, monthly insurance charges allocated for Prudential PMM3 is RM104.xx. And monthly insurance charges for my GE SM200 (with higher annual and lifetime limits) is only RM43.xx. Although the monthly premium would not increase. But as I aged, the insurance charges for Prudential PMM3 will be sky-high in my golden years. I'm thinking to keep only one medical card --- either Prudential PMM3 (cover upto 70 years old) or GE SM200 (cover upto 80 years old). Should I cancel my Prudential PMM3 and keeping my GE SM200? I need a valuable opinion from the sifus here. Thank you in advance I am not sure where are you from but do you know that at Penang Prudential covers Loh Guan Lye and also Island hospital? These are the two, up classed hospital which are not covered by some of its competitor. QUOTE(danlhct @ Jun 1 2013, 09:45 PM) I made a mistake. My actual Prudential medical card is called PMM2 300 instead of PMM3. Attached are the screenshots of the plan. It is already mentioned that under the co insurance list of benefits under the medical card the plan is without co insurance.I don't understand how come on page 1 it mentions 'no coinsurance' but in page 2 under "Benefits Limitations", it talks about 10% of co-insurance. Is this a co-insurance or non co-insurance medi card? Any Prudential agents here? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! [attachmentid=3466674] [attachmentid=3466675] Your medical plan should be bought around 2002, and is a transition period for introducing the co insurance option. The PMM2 is what we termed as the best medical plan with its superior terms. For newer medical card, for Cancer treatment and kidney dialysis, it does not cover 1. Take Home Drugs (can range between Rm 8-10K!) 2. Consultation charges 3. Long term medication But your medical card PMM2 does cover the above! Currently there is still time to upgrade to Pruflexi med (till end of Jun) of which you can opt for cover up to age 80. |
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Jun 2 2013, 01:50 AM
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QUOTE(danlhct @ Jun 2 2013, 01:40 AM) Thank you all the sifus here for your valuable time and thanks for sharing your knowledge. If you have not claimed before, then you should be offered for the GUARANTEED upgrading shortform GIO. Hi Mr. Roy, I'm from Penang. Unfortunately my current agent (KWSP building, Penang) has limited knowledge. May I know if I opted to upgrade my existing PMM2 medi card to PruFlexi Med, does it mean all my current benefits will be cancelled and new T&C of PruFlexi Med will be applied? Under GIO, whatever that is superior in your old medical card will be retained and whatever good in the new Pruflexi med will be included in the upgrade. There are other things that Prudential covers even though it is mentioned in the brochure that we dont. However, it is not convenient for me to mentioned it here. I know this as my younger brother is in GE :-) If you want we can meet up on Monday evening just to go thru with you the policy as I am from mainland. Dont worry, we are trained not to cancel people's plan, ESPECIALLY medical plan. My number is 016 - 451 5957 and my email address is stevenung1971@gmail.com |
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Jun 6 2013, 08:58 PM
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Jun 10 2013, 10:02 PM
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QUOTE(Calvin Ong @ Jun 10 2013, 09:44 PM) Hi all, To reduce, no issue, since it means lesser risk to the insurer.For investment link policy, as I know we can reduce the sum insured for Life/TPD and 36CI at anytime upon request (subject to a minimum amount). Let say I buy an investment link insurance with high sum insured amount for Life/TPD and 36CI. At old age (after 60 years old), if I want to reduce the sum insured in order to reduce the cost of insurance, will the insurability an issue? But if later you change your mind and want to add in back, it is added risk and that my friend is subjected to underwriting. This post has been edited by roystevenung: Jun 10 2013, 10:04 PM |
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Jun 11 2013, 01:04 PM
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QUOTE(Calvin Ong @ Jun 11 2013, 12:12 PM) Hi All, Do refer to TPD table. It pays by percentage. The above is payable and is considered as Total Permanent Disable (TPD) subject to waiting period, of course)For Total and Permanent Disability, it is mean to be Loss of both of: eyes, arms or legs... Let say for a case that the Policy holder lost 1 leg due to Diabetes, is it mean that his/her life insurance won't pay any cents since it is not defined as TPD? In 36 critical illness policy offered by insurance company, Diabetes is not covered right? Diabetes itself is not under the 36 CI but if not control can leads to organ failure(kidney), amputation or blindness. Hence anyone who developed diabetes is not payable until the illness manifest into something more severe. Same goes to high blood pressure. Should both kidney fails and needs dialysis, that is covered under the medical card. Having said that, older waiver does not waives the premium should someone is TPD. Newer policies waiver covers the TPD before age 70, and Critical Illness. |
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Jun 11 2013, 01:57 PM
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QUOTE(Calvin Ong @ Jun 11 2013, 01:32 PM) If I am not mistaken, TPD table is only applied to Personal Accident Insurance (it pay by percentage). For life insurance, TPD is either defined as: Sorry, let me rephrase. Replying on highway OTW to KL.1) Loss of both eyes or arms or legs, 2) Cannot return to work due to permanent disability AND cannot do any 3 of the Daily Activities If the policy holder lost 1 arm OR 1 leg due to natural causes, not accident, it is not yet achieve the condition of TPD. Thus, insurance company won't pay any cents. Is it correct??? I know that there are some early pay CI rider which pay 10% or 20% of CI sum insured (depend on company) for amputation of any 1 limb due to Diabetes. However, what I concern is that for amputation of 1 leg due to diabetes, is it cover under normal 36 CI??? For Accidental death and disable, a loss of leg is 100% payable of the sum insured TPD definition » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « |
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Jun 15 2013, 10:16 AM
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QUOTE(shephard86 @ Jun 15 2013, 10:03 AM) Okay, I got a situation here and need to get some advice from any Insurance sifu here. Hi shephard86, please scan the policy and email to me. Please feel free to remove out anything that is personal before emailing.The situation: I'm working in a shipyard and 1 of my crew dead just a few days ago. The cause of death, I dunno it in detail but to make long story short, it is confirmed that he died because of sickness. So, my boss instructed me to claim SOCSO for him but what I got from them is Dependent's Benefit by socso will only be applicable if the cause of death is because of accident. After I found SOCSO is not claimable, I turned to the P&I insurance (a kind of vessel insurance) which covers seaman as well. But again what I got from them is: "Our insurance on seaman only covers them if they died of accident on working or job related illness. If the cause of death is not from any we spoke earlier, we will not entertain. You can try claim, but it might displease us and this will affect your premium rate for the next coming year." After that I've consult with 1 of my insurance friend. He said that usually for all those insurance like workmen compensation, personal accident, P&I, SOCSO and bla bla bla...... They only covers death, injuries and disablement result of accident only. If died from sickness, the only insurance that can claim is life insurance (if he got himself insured before). So I wanna ask is it true about all that? Coz I've refer here and there and the insurance policy does not give me enough info on the death benefits. Let me go thru and I shall inform. My email is stevenung1971@gmail.com And yes, personal accident only covers death which are accidental in nature. Yes, life insurance does cover death, be it due to sickness or accident, which is why the premium is relatively higher than PA. Having said that, do note that depending on his/her job life insurance may also be decline to provide coverage if his/her job is too risky. Does your worker have EPF? |
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Jun 15 2013, 11:06 AM
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QUOTE(shephard86 @ Jun 15 2013, 10:54 AM) Hello bro, what policy you want? the P&I 1? I don't have that coz it's kept by my boss. Yes the worker does have EPF and his job in detail is a captain of the vessel. How risky the job is I dunno la...... Hi bos. Yes the P&I policy, especially on the death/life clause. Being a captain of the vessel is also subjected to various other risk, ie, storms, being hijacked etc. FYI a captain of a ship is class 4, considered high risk. Most likely the policy is with loading on the life. |
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Jun 15 2013, 01:16 PM
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QUOTE(shephard86 @ Jun 15 2013, 11:58 AM) The P&I does not have the clause on their policies, they just provide a rulebook and tell us what are the clauses that the insurance cover. I've read through the book and this is what I found: "Illness Injury, Death, Medical Examination![]() The policy usually write only the details of the vessel insured. They'll be no clauses on it. Liability to pay damages or compensation for personal injury, illness or death of any seaman whether or not on board a vessel and hospital, medical, funeral or other expenses incurred in relation to such injury, illness or death." The above clause seems claimable, though a bit vague, especially the bold part. No harm trying to claim. That is the purpose of insurance. This post has been edited by roystevenung: Jun 15 2013, 01:17 PM |
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Jun 18 2013, 08:42 PM
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QUOTE(nightzstar @ Jun 18 2013, 07:51 PM) Hi I wanted to cancel off my great eastern policy and serving prudential alone due to too much commitment now. How much do I loss here if I cancel off great eastern that I had paid for 3 yrs? Thanks and appreciate your advice You need to bring your policy to the counter if you want to cancel any policy. You may call the customer service in order to know how much your policy had accumulated in terms of the cash value.However, if you dont mind why are you cancelling the GE? What is the coverage for both of the policies? |
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Jun 18 2013, 10:34 PM
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QUOTE(danlhct @ Jun 18 2013, 09:33 PM) I called Prudential Customer Careline and Claims Dept to enquire about medical card upgrade programmes from PMM 3 to the newly launched PruFlexi Med. Unfortunately, I'm not eligible for the upgrade due to I had made a claim in year 2010. Although the amount is only Rm346 (excess claim from company's group insurance). For this round it is only for those without any claims history. Sabar....No luck Btw what happen to your agent? If your agent had left, you may keep my number. Give me a call anytime should you need any help in terms of claims. |
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Jun 18 2013, 11:52 PM
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QUOTE(SpeechLess11 @ Jun 18 2013, 11:41 PM) male 26yo non-smoking..looking for medical card budget rm150..which company u guys recommend? must be able to renew and not hard to claim if accident really happen. currently only have life insurance bought by parent Accidents are by far the easiest to claim as there is no waiting period, unlike illnesses. Mind Pm your occupation, email address ? Thankswanted to get 1 by this month!!! |
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Jun 19 2013, 12:25 AM
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QUOTE(danlhct @ Jun 18 2013, 11:59 PM) So kind of you Mr. Roy. I feel pai seah asking other agent for help bcoz they did not earn any commissions from my policy . My current agent has limited knowledge. His education background is not good. So I don't want to bother him. Usually I will call customer service or walk-in to the counter. So far so good. Service first, commission later. If service no good also paiseh to take the commission Allow me to share my experience here about these 3 insurance companies - - Prudential, Great Eastern, HLA. My GE agent sudah lari. Policy auto switch to upline. But the new agent nowhere can be found. Had sent a complaint letter to GE head office and requesting for changing a new agent. Until now almost a month but no news yet despite numerous follow up with email and phone call. I feel regretted buying insurance from this company. I should have listened to my friends that this company is not so good. The reason I sign up GE policy is because back in year 2010. This is the only company in Malaysia offering smart early payout for critical illness. Now thinking to cancel this policy and switch to other insurers but feel sayang coz already served for a few years. Each year the premium is Rm4200. Last 2 days walk-in to customer service counter to enquire about premium reduction if cancel SM200. They cannot offer me an answer coz they don't have the software (how come HLA can do it but GE can't?). Instead, asking me to contact my servicing agent but she is MIA. I don't have an agent to contact for almost 6 months... really pek chek. However, there is some good things about this company. I personally like the e-connect where customer is able to check the detail of the policy via Internet login. HLA - no issue with the claims. But lousy computer system. During the system migration, there was a system glitch and causing my credit card auto debit cannot get thru. Have to use manual work. After few months of complaint, they finally cancel my old policy and reissue me a new policy number. When I told them I have doubt on the cash value. They ask me to provide the yearly statements for checking as they can't trace from their end. Wah lau.....how many of you would keep the yearly account statements? This aren't the one for income tax submission. Prudential - my first policy since 1997. Processing for claims and unit trust redemption are very fast. No issue at all. Great customer service. But the insurance charges rate is little higher as compared to competitors. How I wish I cud monitor my policy online like GE. I could offer to take over the policy as your servicing agent if you want, no worries. But what about your medical? Which insurance company is it? |
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Jun 19 2013, 08:10 AM
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QUOTE(nightzstar @ Jun 19 2013, 07:54 AM) could not afford to pay, i have house to pay,bills and so on. 300 for Ge and 200 for Prudential. The agent are quite busy and sometimes 2,3 months din collect premium but come at one time lump sum, also the receipt are sometimes there sometimes not there. asked for auto debit till now no news. that why it is hassle for me, better use prudential coz my fren taking care of it. Never ever pay cash to the agent. Pay thru credi card, debit card, auto debit, online transfer. There has been cases where the agent takes the premium and kena rob also. Also there are cases of the premium iw not being remitted to the insurer. |
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Jun 19 2013, 08:33 AM
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QUOTE(nightzstar @ Jun 19 2013, 08:20 AM) that is what i am worry of, i rather stay with prudential now as i believe in my fren handling prudential. so you think i cancel now is the right time or should i hold on first? Bos, friend is friend, Prudential or not Prudential, please pay thru credit card, auto debit, online transfer to be on the safe side. Our job is not to be along and collect premium. You want us to be efficient in collecting premiums or efficient in claims? |
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Jun 19 2013, 08:49 AM
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QUOTE(maggi @ Jun 19 2013, 08:44 AM) i wonder if the case like this and pass to new agent , new agent still earn comm ? or not so they demotivated to deal with you ? It depends. For Prudential, if the agent is in the same agency, the agency manager has the option to transfer the commission to the new servicing agent. But if it was from another agency within Prudential, the agent does not earn a single cent, more of a service. Well we are after all in the service line. Do note that the commission is only for 6 years. In his case, his policy was bought way back in 1997. |
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QUOTE(nightzstar @ Jun 19 2013, 07:59 PM) Always reflect at why you get the second medical card in the first place. Your coverage is NOT with the agent but rather with the insurance company. You kena tepuk dada tanya selera on what to do with it.Yes we have to be efficient in claims so that the client claims are not delayed. But if the agent runs around collecting premium that leaves the agent lesser time to process the claims. |
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