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post Nov 22 2015, 09:04 AM

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Need some advice. I have decided to upgrade my Sony a550 but undecided on what to upgrade to. Thinking of these few ones after doing some research:

1) a7s
- low-light capabilities & great video (no need 4k yet)
- silent shutter mode
- 12 megapixel only (downgrade from a550 14MP?), but I seldom process or crop my photos
- Damn expensive (but not a big problem)

2) a7ii
- higher megapixel and better photos than a7s
- Noisy shutter
- Cheaper

3) RX100 mark iv
- Compact and convenient but not full-frame sensor (quality of photos not that good?)
- waste my existing F58 flash (planning to use on a7s/a7ii)

4) Any other alternatives?

My photos are mainly family photos but half the time need low-light capabilities e.g. dim-lit restaurant, fluorescent/tungsten lighting etc.

For lens, thinking of the FE24-70z as I usually take portraits, half-body and also scenery with people in it.

Don't fire me for buying full-frame just to take family photos. icon_rolleyes.gif I consider these as treasures and memories that cannot be replaced. nod.gif Kindly advise. Thx. notworthy.gif


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post Nov 22 2015, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(vincentlee90 @ Nov 22 2015, 10:48 AM)
in this case, there's alternative APS-C camera would be ur good choice

A6000
-24MP APS-C CMOS sesor
-great AF performance
-shutter release quieter than normal DSLR
-hotshoe for accessory expansion
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Thx but I want something better. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Nov 22 2015, 02:58 PM)
The A6000 is a good cam, but if you're all set to go FF, than my choice is the A7ii.

While it lacks silent shutter (for now, Sony might add it in a firmware update in the future.... emphasis on "might") it is more current and already Sony plans to update the firmware for full AF point compatibility with the LE-EA3/Canon AF adapters + uncompressed RAW.

The only reason to get the older A7S over it is if you really, really need the phenomenal ISO performance and/or silent shutter.

And skip the 2470Z. It's really not THAT much better than the FF kittens. Wait for an update.
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Thx. That's what I'm thinking too, especially when the A7ii has more features especially the 5-axis stabilizer. However, on occasions, do need some low-light capabilities. Can the a7ii handle normal dimlit places e.g. restaurants?

The salesperson I talked to told me not to get kitlens or normal lens for such a good camera, better go for something better like 2470z. As I don't have any FF lenses (only have tamron 1750 and sony 50f1.8), what do you recommend? As mentioned, my pictures are mostly on people (portrait and half-body) although I need scenery (with people inside) sometimes. Prefer one lens setup..... if possible.... smile.gif. Or if two lenses, which ones should I go for?

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Nov 22 2015, 08:14 PM)
Lol. The kit 2870 is like I said, not much worse then the 2470Z (and in reverse, the 2470 isn't much better), so it's totally up to you if you think the constant f/4 (and marginal optical improvement) is worth the considerable cost difference.

Personally I think the 1635Z is a much better choice if you want a zoom - but I'm more a wide kinda guy. Plus it's plenty expensive.

Looking at your needs though, I'd say start with the FE28. It's cheap, sharp and fast (f/2) - and perfect for indoors group family portraits, even less adequately lighted ones. Then, if you can afford it, get the FE55 as well for individual people shots and you're all set.

For optimal headshot portraits the 55 is a bit short, but considering the next best thing is either uber expensive (the Batis 85) or just a rumor (the yet to be seen Sony FE85), we'll have to make do. For head-shoulders it should be perfect though.

Unfortunately being used to the 1750 would mean you're gonna have to practice more feet-zooming and lens switching - otherwise they're both marvelous lenses and should serve you well indoors or out.
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Gosh! A lot to digest. Thx for all the advices. I guess I cannot run away from the fact that if I want very good photos, I have to use primes instead of zoom lenses. I have always prefer zoom lenses when I go travelling as feet-zooming in public is not my style. More of a point-and-shoot guy.... biggrin.gif

I did more research and it looks like I will probably settle for a7ii instead of a7s. One main reason is the image stabilizers on the a7ii. I would need that as my shots are mostly hand-held. Didn't realized that most FE lenses do not come with OSS.

For lenses, the FE55 is tempting and i will probably get that. For wider lenses, haven't decided whether I should just go for the kitlens 2870 or the FE28 like what you recommended. Will see how it goes......

QUOTE(Silverfire @ Nov 22 2015, 08:51 PM)
The A7M2 is not a great camera to focus under dim light. You have to switch on the AF Illuminator to help, also switching over to Center focus will also help. Just shot a birthday party yesterday night which required me to shoot 1/100 F2 ISO3200 + flash. Took about 2 seconds to focus before being able to shoot (I was using Flexible spot Small to focus at that time), when I got home I experimented with Center focus and it was considerably faster and more accurate which takes about 1 second.

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I see. Thx for the tip. Will probably go for the a7ii..... there goes my low-light expectations....

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post Nov 23 2015, 08:55 AM

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QUOTE(Silverfire @ Nov 23 2015, 05:21 AM)
To be fair I was using a 3rd party Canon flash on it, so the flash's AF assist doesn't work icon_rolleyes.gif

1 second AF is pretty good actually thumbup.gif
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I see. I'm planning to use my existing F58am flash where I need to buy the hotshoe adapter. Hope the AF assist works.

Now I'm deciding on whether to get the 35F28z or 28F20. Since I'm so used to APS-C format, I guess 35F28z is equivalent to 23mm (crop factor 1.5) on APS-C and 28F20 is equivalent to 18.6mm on APC-C. Am I correct? I don't have any lenses to test and the shop doesn't provide any either. Using my tamron 17-50 to roughly test the view. From my test, it seems that the 35F28z would be a bit too narrow for say, half-body shots in close quarters like sitting together on a table in a restaurant right? Or taking a 2 or 3 person shot in close quarters?

Yes, I do understand you need to feet-zoom but sometimes I do not want to intrude into other people's space especially in closed quarters...... any advices on whether I should get the 35 or 28mm?

Alternatively, was thinking of getting the a7ii that comes with it's kitlens (have to confirm this with the shop) then get both 55F and 28F...... rclxub.gif

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Nov 23 2015, 11:58 AM)
Where are you located? If in KL area do make your way to Sony at The Curve or KLCC and you can test whatever you want, just ask the folks there if your desired camera + lens combo isn't available.

If you're not, err... try your nearest Sony Center? They might not be as forthcoming as Curve or KLCC though, as they might not be directly under Sony.

And yes, while the FE35 is wide enough for most things, close quarters group shots isn't one of them. That's why I recommended the FE28. Plus the faster f/2 helps (slightly) in the dimmer lighting you often get indoors.

If you need to get closer wihout intruding into people's space, just switch to the 55.

If you do get the 28/55 combo, getting the kit might be a tad wasteful as it overlaps with your primes. That money could be better spent on getting a proper small flash for your A7 (the HVL-F32M). While you do have a flash already, the 58 is far too big for the A7ii, especially with the APDMAA adapter (it might just strain the adapter - which is just mostly plastic after all).

On the other hand, being able to zoom is often very, very helpful in an "event" type shoot - so it's entirely up for debate.
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Thx a lot for the info. Really helps me decide.

I'm in Sibu and the Sony centre here don't have any lens testing sad.gif

I just went there to ask about a7ii. Apparently don't come with kitlens, which itself cost rm 1999!!!! In garage sales, I saw a7ii with 2870 for something like rm800 extra. And they don't have the kitlens, 2870, fe55 or fe28 in stock!!!!

Thx for the advise on flash too. Think I will take you advise and get the smaller flash.

Ok, at the moment, I think it will be a7ii with 28f2 and 55f1.8 with the smaller flash.
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QUOTE(philipcs @ Nov 23 2015, 01:53 PM)
Nissin i40 small flash is good smile.gif
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Thx. Will do some more research on the flash. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Nov 23 2015, 02:27 PM)
If he doesn't mind not having a first party flash (and no wireless flash command, which the 32 DOES have), then yeah, the i40 is a more powerful option.

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Meaning the i40 won't be able to trigger my off-camera f58? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Nov 23 2015, 08:22 PM)
Correct - or at least it wouldn't be able to trigger the F58 is W-TTL mode (aka Wireless Auto flash). But the i40 can "be triggered" by the F58 in commander mode, either as a W-TTL slave (I think) and as a normal "dumb" optical slave.

If you want a small flash that works as a Sony W-TTL commander (and does swivel and bounce) than the F32M is your only option.
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Thx thx. Will go for the F32M and see whether I want to keep or sell off the F58..... smile.gif

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Just got my a7ii with 55F1.8z. Compared to my old a550, all I can say is WOW! The photos are so sharp and the depth of field can be so narrow. Of course, first time I'm holding a FF camera with a Zeiss lens. blush.gif

Also bought the hotshoe adapter as I'm using back my F58 first. See whether I want to change to native flash next time.

Still waiting for the 28F20 as stocks haven't arrive. For now, need to read the manual and get familiar with this camera..... nod.gif
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QUOTE(mastering89 @ May 8 2016, 11:20 PM)
for those looking for Sony FE 28mm F2 & Sony FE 55 f1.8 biggrin.gif
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Nice. Where is this promotion from? Any promo on 1635z?
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