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post Nov 29 2006, 11:02 PM, updated 18y ago

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Just to update to the latest opinion which is the best law school now. I believe many says Kemayan has degraded due to the leave of many of its capable lecturers where Brickfields sure have a high reputation in this field.

I wonder how recent is this rumour.

Edited : Sorry but it would be nice if I can edit the poll question to

' WHich do you think is the best among the choices ? '

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post Nov 29 2006, 11:50 PM

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i said others. from what i hear, the law program at Uitm is very good. also, i'm a student at UIA in gombak. the lecturers here are one of, if not the best. almost all got one of their degrees from overseas. the onyl thing is u might get annoyed with the whole 'islamic' thingy tongue.gif
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post Nov 30 2006, 01:12 AM

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QUOTE(maximsilentfoot @ Nov 29 2006, 11:50 PM)
i said others. from what i hear, the law program at Uitm is very good. also, i'm a student at UIA in gombak. the lecturers here are one of, if not the best. almost all got one of their degrees from overseas. the onyl thing is u might get annoyed with the whole 'islamic' thingy tongue.gif
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post Nov 30 2006, 02:34 AM

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brickfields should be the best... dats wat i heard.. tongue.gif
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post Nov 30 2006, 08:51 AM

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my friend is studying in brickfields. she said the campus is not doing good enough. :s


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post Nov 30 2006, 01:58 PM

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There were ATC lecturers who left to other colleges few months ago.
But its only a small amount. Majority of the quality lecturers still there.
The best ?/
LLB will be ATC, CLP is definitely Brickfields.
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post Nov 30 2006, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(feynman @ Nov 30 2006, 01:12 AM)
A foreign degree is not a measure of quality. Think Irish International University.
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i totally agree

Brickfields (BAC) has a bunch of very dedicated lecturers. i guess those who really wanna pass their law degree should be happy to hear that. im currently studying there. biggrin.gif

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post Nov 30 2006, 05:17 PM

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Pardon my ignorance, but has anyone ever considered the University of Nottingham?

I'm not so sure on whether it is "better" or "worse" than Brickfields or the others, but it was ranked top ten among UK universities in the faculty of Law. Taking the degree locally [I know there's a campus branch here in Malaysia], wouldn't it be the same as taking it there? I took a swing by the Malaysian website, apparently they've started offering Law here.

Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

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post Nov 30 2006, 05:22 PM

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The Malaysian Campus does not offer LLB, jsut LLM.

I think between Brickfields and ATC, I'll take Brickfields, that is, if you want to do it locally and want a private college.



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post Dec 1 2006, 12:15 AM

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That is what confuse me the most. I have to take my degree locally in full and since its external, I hope to get the best lecturer to help me with my work.

I too believe ATC is good but the rumours saying their good lecturers are going off really puts me in worry. Brickfields is coming up but according to the leaflet they gave me although the lecturers' qualification is not that good (at least there not even a LLM) but its written that they are experienced enough.

How bout ATC ? Anyone actually know about their real status ?

And Im planning to do a LLB
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post Dec 1 2006, 12:18 AM

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AND I actually realise theres vote for Stamford. May provide comment why you voted for it ?

Additional : I've browse through Brickfields' site and found that they are good in their CLP but I dont know if they are as well for their LLB. Any current LLB students in Brickfields can verify this ?



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post Dec 1 2006, 09:24 AM

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im a current student at brickfields. ikeken, well actually to be frank with you it doesnt matter where you choose to do your law it all depends on how you study. that aside, Brickfields offers the Uni of london external (3+0), Uni Malaya (Bachelor of Jurisprudence) and also a 2+1 programme from Uni of West England(UWE). If u ask me the uni of london(UOL) is much tougher cos its nine months of hard core studying and one exam which determines whether you get through or not but uni of west england follows the semester system which is not so rclxub.gif . . If you were to pick to do the UOL regardless of which college you go to , the syllabus cant 'lari' that much theres a guide line as to what is the scope of learning should be but prepare to sweat.gif cos its not easy. Brickfields lecturers might not have LLMs or Phd...oh wait there is one with a Phd but they are verry dedicated. trust me on this. and the bonus is that it offers the cheapest fees!! rclxms.gif
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post Dec 1 2006, 12:56 PM

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Hey guys..Im going to Brickfields during the january intake...hope can meet u guys...K?
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post Dec 1 2006, 12:57 PM

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Guys..the poll can add for nirvana college? besides Help,Taylor also doing well...just post up c got ppl vote or not lar
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post Dec 1 2006, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(Legal_Eagle @ Dec 1 2006, 09:24 AM)
im a current student  at brickfields. ikeken, well actually to be frank with you it doesnt matter where you choose to do your law it all depends on how you study. that aside, Brickfields offers the Uni of london external (3+0), Uni Malaya (Bachelor of Jurisprudence)  and also a 2+1 programme from Uni of West England(UWE). If u ask me the uni of london(UOL) is much tougher cos its nine months of hard core studying and one exam which determines whether you get through or not but uni of west england follows the semester system which is not so  rclxub.gif . . If you were to pick to do the UOL regardless of which college you go to , the syllabus cant 'lari' that much theres a guide line as to what is the scope of learning should be  but prepare to  sweat.gif  cos its not easy. Brickfields lecturers might not have LLMs or Phd...oh wait there is one with a Phd but they are verry dedicated. trust me on this. and the bonus is that it offers the cheapest fees!!  rclxms.gif
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Yeah due to financial restriction though its harder but guess I'll take on the external with UoL. The fees was cheap though but only problem would be transportation. Im an outstation student and so I have to live somewhere else which is far from Sentral. Hows the traffic there during your timetable ? Congested ? Is there any parking lot there ?

QUOTE(Canopies @ Dec 1 2006, 12:56 PM)
Hey guys..Im going to Brickfields during the january intake...hope can meet u guys...K?
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Im planning to do it there taking the January intake. Which course you taking ? UoL or UWE ? How are you going there ?


QUOTE(Canopies @ Dec 1 2006, 12:57 PM)
Guys..the poll can add for nirvana college? besides Help,Taylor also doing well...just post up c got ppl vote or not lar
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Lol apparently I set up this poll but I have no idea how to edit it. How ?
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post Dec 1 2006, 04:05 PM

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LOL...

Im juz spm student

Im going for A-levels

I go there by train,KTM...

Its more convenient for me since cheaper transportation fees
coz im staying at kajang
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post Dec 1 2006, 04:06 PM

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Anyway..I wanna ask this..

any colleges offers twinning program for a law degree to Australia Univesities?

anywhere will do...I just need it..pls..and thanks
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post Dec 1 2006, 08:16 PM

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hi.. im new to this forum and i just want to say im so glad i found it! im planning to take law privately and what u guys have discussed has helped me so much. im probably going to brickfields to do it and will do it part time starting in jan. anyone doing the same thing?
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post Dec 1 2006, 08:18 PM

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U doing the law degree or Alevels?

Im doing Alevels there ..

planning to find a college that offers twinning program to Aus.

Currently Kdu offers this...to U of tasmania
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post Dec 1 2006, 08:21 PM

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QUOTE(Canopies @ Dec 1 2006, 08:18 PM)
U doing the law degree or Alevels?

Im doing Alevels there ..

planning to find a college that offers twinning program to Aus.

Currently Kdu offers this...to U of tasmania
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er.. are u asking me? if u are, i'm doing the law degree.. if u're not, then im just perasan.. haha.. good luck in ur a levels
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post Dec 1 2006, 09:19 PM

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Welcome belinda. Haha Im going for law too. Probably Brickfields as there are many complements about it but Im doing a full time.

But I have hear from a friend of mine saying Brickfields excel better in CLP, not LLB. Kemayan though have better reputation for LLB. How true is this ?
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QUOTE(ikeken @ Dec 1 2006, 09:19 PM)
Welcome belinda. Haha Im going for law too. Probably Brickfields as there are many complements about it but Im doing a full time.

But I have hear from a friend of mine saying Brickfields excel better in CLP, not LLB. Kemayan though have better reputation for LLB. How true is this ?
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post Dec 1 2006, 10:20 PM

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QUOTE(david_kiat @ Dec 1 2006, 10:18 PM)
This is true based on past year results.
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Pass year ? Mind to elaborate more ? How about previous years ?
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post Dec 1 2006, 10:28 PM

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Until year 2006, ATC has the best LLB results in Malaysia and most probably the best in the world. Brickfield is coming up but i am not sure when they can be on par with ATC on producing high-scoring achievers.

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post Dec 1 2006, 10:33 PM

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So doesnt that makes ATC better than Brickfields in LLB ?

So you mean ATC is better and this is true supported by its previous years result ?
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post Dec 1 2006, 10:36 PM

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I am ATC student and never attend classes in Brickfield.
I cannot comment on which coll is better.
I chose ATC cos its the best and i am satisfied with the lecturers so far.

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post Dec 1 2006, 10:44 PM

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Oh cool ! How you go there ? Do you stay near or what ?
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INTI COLLEGE.
MY SIS IS STUDYING THERE..
AT FIRST SHE WENT TO BRICKSFIELD,BUT SHE DOESNT LIKE IT THERE SO SHE WENT TO INTI INSTEAD..
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Inti ? Which Inti ? Subang Jaya or Nilai ? Is there any law programme there ?
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inti NILAI..yea,some of the lecturers there are quite good..
at least my sister preferred it there rather than bricksfield

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I just called one of my friend and he told me not to go Brickfields. He said Brickfields only concerntrate their resources in CLP rather than LLB. Kemayan gives more priority in LLB.

This really influences my decision on choosing which college to go. Kemayan seemed to be a wiser choice at this moment.
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post Dec 3 2006, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(ikeken @ Dec 3 2006, 12:01 AM)
I just called one of my friend and he told me not to go Brickfields. He said Brickfields only concerntrate their resources in CLP rather than LLB. Kemayan gives more priority in LLB.

This really influences my decision on choosing which college to go. Kemayan seemed to be a wiser choice at this moment.
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so have u made ur final decision yet? so confused now.. a few days ago most of the posts seem to say that b'fields is the better one.. but now kemayan seems to be the better college.

anyone who's thinking of taking law next year, can u reply to this post and say which college u've chosen and what are the factors that influenced your choice?
btw, does anyone know if kemayan offers law part time?

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post Dec 3 2006, 05:51 PM

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The only good thing for brickfields is the lecturers

If u want a high class facilities...

go for ATC

and remember Atc is more more expensive than Brickfields.

It's not the matter of the concentrate on llb and clp..

its more about yourself.

Conclusion,

Every college has its own good and bad..

for me..

i will surely go for brickfields because of the lecturers..

its not because of the facilities..small library..

its because of the dedicate lecturers and the quality there...not about llb..clp..the quality of teachings is the most important thing..

p/s ..u can call mr raja singham around 3am midnight...and he will pick the call and reply u immediately without using any reference book in his hand..

this shows how dedicate a lecturer is...

if u go ATC...

anyone willing to do this?

I dare you there's no one
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Wow looks like canopies is really a Brickfields supporter. However, Mr. Raja Singram you said does he teach LLB students ? Not all like him though. What if hes only responsible to CLP students ?
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post Dec 3 2006, 10:22 PM

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I don't think a dedicated teacher will so bias..

coz he's a director of the Bac.

he also wants his college students get flying colours rite?
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post Dec 3 2006, 11:18 PM

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But does that mean he has the knowledge to teach LLB ? Or perhaps he has forgotten ?
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i guess in the end u have to depend on yourself a lot also rite? no use going to the best law school if u don't study and play ur part.. anyway, tomorrow i'll be visiting both places b4 i make my final decision
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Nope lar...

My dad studied there before for both ..llb and clp..

Believe me..Brickfields wont get u wrong...

I still remembered few years ago,

ATC leaked the clp papers and many clp students get caught and suspended..

Correct me if im wrong...

Belinda,

Hey...can we meet one day in brickfields..

LOL..im younger than u..haha..sigh..Alevels there..LLB unsure..but wanna get a twinning to Aus...hopefully Brickfields will propose this program..hehe..

anyway

BAC supporter here..
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post Dec 4 2006, 12:53 AM

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Lol do tell me when you have decided. I'm interested in ur decision because Im in dilemma myself too.
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wah liao canopies.. i know i am old ler.. no need to rub it in my face.. hehe.. does anyone know the fees for kemayan? if kemayan's a lot more costly then i will most probably choose brickfields.. anyway, didn't get to go to those 2 places today bcos something came up.

ikeken.. haiya.. i thought u had it all figured out already.. was also waiting to see what ur decision would be.. have u ever dropped by both places to have a look see?
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You guys are caught up with which college is the best and all. Truth is, you don't need to go to college for UOL external, you can study on your own if you want to.
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I think they are obessed with which school have the best lecturers. You can study on your own, but for a bunch of 19, 20 year olds (Me included), unless you are tight on budget or anything, doubt you can do it on your own. Prove me wrong, prove me wrong!!!!
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QUOTE(belinda @ Dec 4 2006, 02:29 PM)
wah liao canopies.. i know i am old ler.. no need to rub it in my face.. hehe.. does anyone know the fees for kemayan? if kemayan's a lot more costly then i will most probably choose brickfields.. anyway, didn't get to go to those 2 places today bcos something came up.

ikeken.. haiya.. i thought u had it all figured out already.. was also waiting to see what ur decision would be.. have u ever dropped by both places to have a look see?
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Lol belinda actually somehow I have some idea which to go. ATC has favoured me slightly more than Brickfields. ATC only costs 2k more (approximately) than Brickfields.

Still thinking which to go. Haha.

QUOTE(kaiserreich @ Dec 4 2006, 07:31 PM)
I think they are obessed with which school have the best lecturers. You can study on your own, but for a bunch of 19, 20 year olds (Me included), unless you are tight on budget or anything, doubt you can do it on your own. Prove me wrong, prove me wrong!!!!
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Haha that is why Im looking for the college with good lecturers. I doubt I can study on my own and thats why I need someone to motivate me.

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[quote=ikeken,Dec 4 2006, 09:02 PM]
Lol belinda actually somehow I have some idea which to go. ATC has favoured me slightly more than Brickfields. ATC only costs 2k more (approximately) than Brickfields.

ATC costs 2k more per course or per year? for me 2k is a lot of difference bcos im self financing my own studies.. guess i will go for brickfields la.. from what i gather, both colleges have good RESPONSIBLE lecturers, and that is good enough.. cos im from local uni with certain horrendous so called lecturers who don't teach, so i guess compared with them both brickfields and ATC should be better gua.. as long as they attend the lectures themselves and teach should be enough for me la, no need to find superstar lecturers
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LOL..no la..

hey...if u r going to bac

we can meet and yum cha ma...haha
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QUOTE(feynman @ Dec 4 2006, 02:39 PM)
You guys are caught up with which college is the best and all. Truth is, you don't need to go to college for UOL external, you can study on your own if you want to.
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UOL actually is all about studying on your own.that is why it was offered way way back in the 1800 to those who couldnt attend university cos they were knights or soldier (whatever they called them at that time)
but going to college is more about mastering the art of answering questions and learning the legal language
its really rclxub.gif when you see terms like 'nemo judex in causa sua' and wouldnt know how to apply it...by the way i just learn that maxim tongue.gif



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Brickfields offer A level ma..then after that straight away study their law degree.
As i suggest, nirvana is not a good place for law. Dont go..cause i heard a story that there got no dedicated lecturer. Correct me if i am wrong.
Secondly, ATC has really degraded. My fren did a survey between BAC and ATC,she had proven that some of the good,experienced and dedicated lecturers had left. During last year edu fair, ATC did not set up a booth to attract students. According to BAC lecturers, this is because their results are not very good.
Besides that, ATC is now having some law problem with IMU (International medical University). ATC had some financial problem. I heard that they need to pay few millions to IMU. * i am currently imu student*
BAC really got very dedicated and experienced lecturers. Some of them is real lawyers with very good qualification. One of their A Level's econ lecturer is 1 of the minority who got his MBA in twenties using online system. He is damn smart although quite sarcastic i can say. Those who wanna take econ in BAC,i must say u are fortunate. Haha..
Er..think i crap a lot. haha..
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canopies.. u sure u want to yam cha with old woman meh.. hahaha

legal eagle.. r u a law student now? if u are, where r u studying and how has things been so far?
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QUOTE(belinda @ Dec 5 2006, 04:05 PM)
canopies.. u sure u want to yam cha with old woman meh.. hahaha

legal eagle.. r u a law student now? if u are, where r u studying and how has things been so far?
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hi belinda, yup im studying law at BAC. notes are comprehensive and lectures are good but you have to have the will power to sit in class for 3 hours for the lectures..im doing part time so my clasess are during the weekend...8 hours of lecture on Sunday!!


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QUOTE(Legal_Eagle @ Dec 5 2006, 09:20 AM)
UOL actually is all about studying on your own.that is why it was offered way way back in the 1800 to those who couldnt attend university cos they were knights or soldier (whatever they called them at that time)
but going to college is more about mastering the art of answering questions and learning the legal language
its really  rclxub.gif  when you see terms like 'nemo judex in causa sua' and wouldnt know how to apply it...by the way i just learn that maxim  tongue.gif
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Theres lot more for you to learn because you have to know the latin phrase in order to read a law journal. Thats so you are doing LLB in BAC ?
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Haha Belinda..

No problem la..

I dint say u old lah..

oh gosh...many bac supporters here...

Belinda,

coming to bac?

lets have a lyn Bac gathering..wooho...
add me in msn k?

wongkahming89@hotmail.com
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Oh yeah anyone realise that in order to do your Bar in England and Wales you are required to pass the EU law ?

I heard Brickfields has just introduced this subject not long ago. ATC has better lecturers in terms of teaching EU law ?

Or do Brickfields and ATC offer EU law ? Any current student can clarify this ?
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I went to LLB preview held by ATC Kemayan past Saturday and I discovered some interesting information that I think will greatly help those interested to choose between BAC or ATC.

Some interesting facts ATC gave on that day is that their students obtained 6 out of 10 First Class Honour Degrees awarded by University of London ever since 1800's. Also, they are the winner for Malaysian LLB Scholarship awarded by Kings' College for the 9th consecutive years.

Yes, their lecturers are mostly Full Time and thus making them bit outdated as they are not current litigations or solicitor. However, the principal himself said that LLB is more to academic, not practice. Thus, a full time lecturer can give you more support than a current lawyer.

The preview really gives me a good idea that ATC is still the 'elite' law institution as recognised by University of London themselves.
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QUOTE(feynman @ Dec 4 2006, 02:39 PM)
You guys are caught up with which college is the best and all. Truth is, you don't need to go to college for UOL external, you can study on your own if you want to.
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u can study law on ur own? how ? teach me how? i want la
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Dec 17 2006, 06:07 PM)
u can study law on ur own? how ? teach me how? i want la
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Register yourself as an external student with University of London then pay the fees, they will send you textbooks. Read them then attend examinations. If you want to, you can actually do not need to attend classes.
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QUOTE(ikeken @ Dec 17 2006, 06:15 PM)
Register yourself as an external student with University of London then pay the fees, they will send you textbooks. Read them then attend examinations. If you want to, you can actually do not need to attend classes.
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but i can take the exams when i like la? is it? and can i take a accounting/finance degree then when i start work.,....i study law at my own sweet time then take the exams as i wish?

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Sure you can. You can do part-time after you started working. In fact, theres alot part-timers in LLB nowadays.
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ATC still stands out as the best for LLB based on student results alone. Yes, it isn't a big secret that there is a lot of problems as far as management and such are concerned in ATC, but result wise, they still top the charts (and i'm not talking about M'sia - Kemayan ATC students have got an excellent record for scoring some of the best results for the entire UOL external degree program worldwide). Can't recall the exact numbers, but ATC students have won the Kings scholarship (UOL's scholarship to finish up your LLB in London - fully paid - and only one given out each year) more times then any other College anywhere in the world.

However, some words of caution. The campus (at Petaling Street) isn't exactly one of the best places you would want to be studying at. There will be a lot of canceled classes, and such. The number of students taking the LLB program each year at ATC is extremly high, so expect classes to be insanely huge - especially towards the exams when the seminars are going on. When i say huge, i mean more then 150 to a room. Their lecturers portfolio is very impressive as well, but considering the student to lecturer ratio, it is impossible to expect them to do miracles.

Pricing wise, Kemayan ATC's prices are somewhat reasonable, you basically will be able to finish your LLB for around RM25k (all inclusive).

Brickfields College still comes out tops for their CLP program, which is what Mr Raja Singham teaches. There new campus building is light years better then what ATC has, except the library.

The other colleges like Stamford and KDU charge a bomb for the UOL program (up to double what you pay at ATC/Kemayan/Nirwana) but they have a much better student to lecturer ratio. At KDU, its as low as 25 students to a class, but its quite easy to do that if you charge double the rates, and there are only 50 students taking the paper! Also, when you do sit for the exams, it will be at the same location where all the other students (from Kemayan, ATC etc) seat for it. Not to mention, none of these colleges offer the CLP program, which means you're back to Kemayan/Brickfields to do it.

End of the day, the UOL external LLb program is down to the student, with which college you're at just helping you along the way. UOL will basically send you the study guide, text books etc along with the past 10 years of exam papers and examiners remarks for them. Thats why its even possible to study by yourself and not attend college to do the LLB (but only if you're already working and have enough experience to be able to argue and answer questions!)
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Hey good review u have!!!

btw,are u related to any law field?


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Top law school in Malaysia is definitely UM's Law Faculty...
It's also the only local law degree recognised by Singapore!

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Local law degree...what it means?

I thought LLB LONDON is international recognised
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QUOTE(Canopies @ Dec 18 2006, 10:52 PM)
Local law degree...what it means?

I thought LLB LONDON is international recognised
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local law degree means a law degree from malaysian university

UoL LLB the degree itself is recognised
I beg your pardon and have to rephrase what I said earlier:
Singapore does not recognise LLB (external) grad as qualified to be lawyer!

Eg, if you're a Malaysian graudated from Malaysian University wishing to practice as lawyer in Singapore... you can only do so if you are a UM grad

If you are not an UM grad, then you had to be a law grad from certain UK, NZ, Aussi universities and sadly, UoL is not one of them... sigh!

FYI, Singapore lawyers are paid much much much better than Malaysian lawyers!

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^ Well, they may be paid more, but I believe the cost of living there is higher? So perhaps that might even the score.

Working in Singapore isn't all that anyway. XP
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K..

can u tell me the prosedure to become lawyer in australia?

I m going for a twinning program which is offers from KDU to University Of Tasmania

So,later I get my Degree...can I work in Aus as a lawyer?

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QUOTE(Ritz Crackers @ Dec 18 2006, 11:58 PM)
local law degree means a law degree from malaysian university

UoL LLB the degree itself is recognised
I beg your pardon and have to rephrase what I said earlier:
Singapore does not recognise LLB (external) grad as qualified to be lawyer!

Eg, if you're a Malaysian graudated from Malaysian University wishing to practice as lawyer in Singapore... you can only do so if you are a UM grad

If you are not an UM grad, then you had to be a law grad from certain UK, NZ, Aussi universities and sadly, UoL is not one of them... sigh!

FYI, Singapore lawyers are paid much much much better than Malaysian lawyers!

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What is the qualification to be a lawyer in Singapore ? Have you check with their Legal Qualifying Board ?
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QUOTE(ikeken @ Dec 17 2006, 05:57 PM)
I went to LLB preview held by ATC Kemayan past Saturday and I discovered some interesting information that I think will greatly help those interested to choose between BAC or ATC.

Some interesting facts ATC gave on that day is that their students obtained 6 out of 10 First Class Honour Degrees awarded by University of London ever since 1800's. Also, they are the winner for Malaysian LLB Scholarship awarded by Kings' College for the 9th consecutive years.

Yes, their lecturers are mostly Full Time and thus making them bit outdated as they are not current litigations or solicitor. However, the principal himself said that LLB is more to academic, not practice. Thus, a full time lecturer can give you more support than a current lawyer.

The preview really gives me a good idea that ATC is still the 'elite' law institution as recognised by University of London themselves.
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If ATC told you that it is endorsed by UOL, they are lying. There is a fine difference between recognition of a college being a place where one can seek tuition and and endorsement by UOL to carry out UOL programs.

QUOTE(Ritz Crackers @ Dec 18 2006, 11:58 PM)
local law degree means a law degree from malaysian university

UoL LLB the degree itself is recognised
I beg your pardon and have to rephrase what I said earlier:
Singapore does not recognise LLB (external) grad as qualified to be lawyer!

Eg, if you're a Malaysian graudated from Malaysian University wishing to practice as lawyer in Singapore... you can only do so if you are a UM grad

If you are not an UM grad, then you had to be a law grad from certain UK, NZ, Aussi universities and sadly, UoL is not one of them... sigh!


FYI, Singapore lawyers are paid much much much better than Malaysian lawyers!

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UOL is rocognised. UOL external is not.

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What is the qualification to be a lawyer in Singapore ? Have you check with their Legal Qualifying Board ?
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yes I have checked with the Board in Singapore
was told on the face I'm not qualified to practice in Singapore even if I am already a lawyer in Malaysia because my degree is UoL external.

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can u tell me whats the different with UoL University Of London rite ...

whats the different- ----

UoL external and Uol internal....
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K..

can u tell me the prosedure to become lawyer in australia?

I m going for a twinning program which is offers from KDU to University Of Tasmania

So,later I get my Degree...can I work in Aus as a lawyer?


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QUOTE(feynman @ Dec 19 2006, 03:37 AM)
If ATC told you that it is endorsed by UOL, they are lying. There is a fine difference between recognition of a college being a place where one can seek tuition and and endorsement by UOL to carry out UOL programs.
UOL is rocognised. UOL external is not.
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No they didnt claim that they were endorsed by UoL. Its just an unofficial statement made by their programme director.
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No they didnt claim that they were endorsed by UoL. Its just an unofficial statement made by their programme director.
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Erm..BAC is the top's law sch..tat wat my tution teacher told me..currently he was a famous history tacher at klang valley...
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K..

can u tell me the prosedure to become lawyer in australia?

I m going for a twinning program which is offers from KDU to University Of Tasmania

So,later I get my Degree...can I work in Aus as a lawyer?


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Thanks for voting bac
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QUOTE(Canopies @ Dec 21 2006, 12:43 AM)
K..

can u tell me the prosedure to become lawyer in australia?

I m going for a twinning program which is offers from KDU to University Of Tasmania

So,later I get my Degree...can I work in Aus as a lawyer?
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Can't you see that people somehow 'ignored' your post? How difficult is it to search it on your own?

You better do something. Don't expect to be spoonfed if you want to be a lawyer.

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QUOTE(Canopies @ Dec 21 2006, 12:43 AM)
K..

can u tell me the prosedure to become lawyer in australia?

I m going for a twinning program which is offers from KDU to University Of Tasmania

So,later I get my Degree...can I work in Aus as a lawyer?
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For senior member with loads of starts to show off, you surprise me with your lack of knowledge of the basics.

Legal profession in Australia is regulated by the Australian Bar. The best place is to check out their website, ask your lecturer (i recommend Quah Ean Lin of KDU who is a personal friend of mind) or just google what you want.

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haha
since people in this forum are malaysian
why even bother ask how to practice outside
but common sense would reveal that its actually the same
every country has their own BAR or Lawyer's Association

but if u want to practice in Malaysia with less hassle
and if ur malay (sorry bout this statement but the university im about to state is kinda malay oriented...the community i mean)
try International Islamic University of Malaysia
the university sucks for Every Single Thing except

i) FEES
ii) Quality of Education

upon graduation, u are exempted from CLP exams
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im already a 3rd year 2nd sem student there at the time being
having fun
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I refuse to vote which is the best law school in Malaysia as list. That is because only the local universities like Inter. Islamic University of Malaysia/ UM --is running the program, monitoring & instituting the exams is considered as law school.

Those private colleges are offering tutoring law subjects and therefore, its not a school its is actually a tutoring centre. In the end, you have to be tested by the university program that you have elected to do so for example : University of London. That is the difference.

Before you asked any question, the best thing for anyone of us to do is google it and read alot. If all else fails, " beat me up for asking this stupid question, I googled it, no answer , please help me by answering."

Learn to read not spoonfed. Forgive me for being too frank.

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brickfields the cost of living around there cheap ?

and major question is that i heard local colleges the law programmes are not transferable ? coz currently in inti nilai student cannot transfer to brickfields only in 3rd yr right ?

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ATC being the best for LLB?? I definitely dun think so... The dismissal of lecturers from the institution has really casued a downsize of their quality of teaching as well as the quality of students... Gone are the days when one can say that ATC is the premier law school in Malaysia... Gone are the days whereby students can literally pee in their pants upon listening to the breathtaking law lectures from the ATC lecturers... The new batch of lecturers now are deemed to be nothing compare to oldies... If we rate the knowledge of the new batch as peanuts, the oldies would have been measured by bowling balls!!! Other institutions are fast gaining on ATC if not overtaken it...
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i said others. from what i hear, the law program at Uitm is very good.

I cannot say if the program is good or not, but I happen to know a law lecturer at Uitm who tells me the law students there are "the bottom of the barrel".
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tumpang thread ya sweat.gif since the topic is on 'best law school in msia'

ok. i've just completed 1st year in atc (whtr i will pass the 1st year is another story altogether), and i just received an offer to start 1st year in um law this coming intake. Q is -- which one shud i take?

the cheaper route would of course be um, but the faster route (provided i do not stumble at all throughout the 3 years of LLB and miraculously pass CLP on first try) would be the atc route. not tat i'm thrilled and eager to work a year earlier but considering the chambering & getting salary equivalent to a gardener's for 9 whole months, i really don like the idea of having it delayed any further.

quality-wise, would a uol external degree be worth more than um's law degree? wat say in terms of international recognition?

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PS: does anyone wan honest (i do mean honest) opinions on atc? i can offer mine smile.gif
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I want to study part-time LAW LLB, where should I go?
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the atc a levels is not equivalent to degrees kan?
i mean its more towards a pre-u issit?
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Nevermind. I think I will go to Brickfields Asia College. They look more legit and also they provided the needed information
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QUOTE(youhei_mito @ Jun 10 2007, 11:45 PM)
tumpang thread ya  sweat.gif since the topic is on 'best law school in msia'

ok. i've just completed 1st year in atc (whtr i will pass the 1st year is another story altogether), and i just received an offer to start 1st year in um law this coming intake. Q is -- which one shud i take?

the cheaper route would of course be um, but the faster route (provided i do not stumble at all throughout the 3 years of LLB and miraculously pass CLP on first try) would be the atc route. not tat i'm thrilled and eager to work a year earlier but considering the chambering & getting salary equivalent to a gardener's for 9 whole months, i really don like the idea of having it delayed any further.

quality-wise, would a uol external degree be worth more than um's law degree? wat say in terms of international recognition?

opinions highly appreciated  notworthy.gif

PS: does anyone wan honest (i do mean honest) opinions on atc? i can offer mine smile.gif
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Go to UM. IMO, always better to go to a proper university with its own faculty than doing an external programme at a private college. UM should also have better resources. Not having to do CLP is a huge plus as will become apparent the closer you come to graduating. As for speed, the private route will only be faster IF you pass CLP on the first try. A big if - are you willing to take that risk?

Another plus for UM is it's recognised in Singapore. London external LLB holders can't practice in S'pore. Further overseas, there shouldn't be a real difference (except maybe in the UK) - the key is having to pass the Bar exams wherever you go.

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Why do we normally ignored the Law programme in MMU ?

I'm currently studying there , the facilities are good , and the lecturer are good too.
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all must ensure that all new local law grads from UUM and MMU, even if you're exempted from taking CLP as those similar with MU, UiTM, IIUM and UKM, you cannot do your chambering at this moment because your degree is not under 'qualified person' yet.
it maybe taken about one and two years from now before you can do your chambering or call to the bar. the reason is Legal Profession Qualifying Board still not recognized yet the law degree from these 2 universities.


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I cannot say if the program is good or not, but I happen to know a law lecturer at Uitm who tells me the law students there are "the bottom of the barrel".
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who is the lecturer said so?can you tell me?


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i see . I've just started my 1st sem in MMU in Law , its quite good there , the lecturers are good and helpful .


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Melaka damn far. So between ATC and Brickfields Asia, where should I go?
I want to finish my final year in Hong Kong.
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hey there!!

Need sum help, im gonna graduate with degree in IT. Can I enrol in any of the part-time law courses provided by ATC ? Any requirements needed for graduate student?

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ATC has probably the best UOL results record among all the schools, Brickfields will probably be considered the best for CLP results. I dun think the latter offers EU law, so if you need that subject opt for ATC.

I just heard that MR Reuben has left ATC, not sure whether its true. But if so, thats another big loss on their part. Another point, Brickfields teaches subject by subject, whereas ATC teaches all subjects simultaneously throughout the course.

Have you considered Nirwana College? They have restarted under Mr Murali and have a great lecturer-student ratio, which i think is important when it comes to individual student development. There were a few crap lecturers, but they have been replaced, and a few improvements are being introduced. I would recommend them especially if you are doing your Part I.

As for their website, they are currently getting a new server and initiating a total overhaul of the entire IT infrastructure, so i guess its down for a while. Hope this helps!
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hi..i saw a few msg saying about the UOL(internal) and UOL(external)...is it true??...i went to colleges and none of the counsellor told me about there's two different UOL...and also..i'm planning to go brickfields to continue my law degree...is it a good choice??...or KDU's better???
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hi..i saw a few msg saying about the UOL(internal) and UOL(external)...is it true??...i went to colleges and none of the counsellor told me about there's two different UOL...and also..i'm planning to go brickfields to continue my law degree...is it a good choice??...or KDU's better???
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UOL (internal) are the degrees conducted by the respective UOL colleges in London and within themselves. For example, the University College London has an LLB programme. The degree is ultimately awarded by the University of London.

UOL (external) is the course conducted in Malaysian private colleges, i.e. external to the actual London universities. It is actually a distance-learning course and is available to people all over the world. There is no need to enroll in any college if you don't want to (none of the colleges are affiliated with or recognised in any way by the UOL).

Technically, there should be no difference between Brickfield's or KDU's degrees cos they're the same thing* - UOL external degree. The syllabus and the exams have nothing to do with the respective colleges. As mentioned above, you don't even need a college if you don't want to. However, there might be some difference with teaching, practice papers etc...
*There's only a difference if you do KDU's twinning programme with Oxford Brookes University or University of Tasmania. Those have nothing to do with the UOL.
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QUOTE(wornbook @ Jun 11 2007, 09:32 AM)
Go to UM. IMO, always better to go to a proper university with its own faculty than doing an external programme at a private college. UM should also have better resources. Not having to do CLP is a huge plus as will become apparent the closer you come to graduating. As for speed, the private route will only be faster IF you pass CLP on the first try. A big if - are you willing to take that risk?

Another plus for UM is it's recognised in Singapore. London external LLB holders can't practice in S'pore. Further overseas, there shouldn't be a real difference (except maybe in the UK) - the key is having to pass the Bar exams wherever you go.
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True go UM.. i did llb in Atc, clp in Brickfields.. Clp is horrible.. nightmare.. so better go UM the easier road and a lot of big firms are getting hold of them... and in UM u can easily get 1st class or 2nd class upper there..
why wna to waste time when u got shortcut.. 3yrs law degree from uol which is not relevant in msia.. and squeeze in 1 yr comprehensive clp ... do in 4 yrs um.. have a CAMPUS life okay.. in atc or brickfields , u have no life , come back on weekends, public hols.. and etc.. and its not cheap!
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well then...is UOL(external) recognised by Malaysia and some other commonwealth countries???

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well then...is UOL(external) recognised by Malaysia and some other commonwealth countries???
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Malaysia and Uk, yes. Singapore, no.

You'll have to check specifically with the bar councils/law societies of other countries. I suspect countries like Aus and NZ will recognise it - they're not as picky as Singapore. I think Canada does too.

Bear in mind that often, people with foreign law degrees are required to do some other exams/uni papers to fit into a new jurisdiction. My friend with a Uni of Manchester LLB had to take a couple of papers at an NZ university before she could enroll for the bar course.
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Between ATC and BAC, where should I go? Please help
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Colleges offering LLB in KL not only ATC and BAC, there is also Nirwana and Institut Mentari. I think Mnetari is also a college listed at UOL external website as one of the "elite" college lead by Mr EL Tan, former Director of Law programme at ATC. Mr. Murali, the Vice principal of ATC now is in Nirwana college as well.

Check out all before making a decision.


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LLB part time course are available at ATC, BAC, Mentari School of Law, Nirwana etc. Check them out for fees and lecturers' experience before joining.


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hey there!!

Need sum help, im gonna graduate with degree in IT. Can I enrol in any of the part-time law courses provided by ATC ? Any requirements needed for graduate student?

thx
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To study Law, you need 2 a levels or STPM and above. If you are a degree holder, you are eligible to study as well. Most people choose Uiniversity of London (UOL) external as it is cheaper and recognised internationally. Colleges providing LLB include ATC, BAC, Mentari, Nirwana, Stamford, KDU ...


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hi..i saw a few msg saying about the UOL(internal) and UOL(external)...is it true??...i went to colleges and none of the counsellor told me about there's two different UOL...and also..i'm planning to go brickfields to continue my law degree...is it a good choice??...or KDU's better???
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You can study LLB at either ATC, BAC, Mentari, Nirwana... these are the more established college with complete lecturers team for all levels. They are all in KL. I won't recommend KDU or Stamford (no effence)

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beta go to brickfield. not only it is one of the oldest colleges that has law program, the tuition fee is very affordable, definitely recommended!!!!!!!!
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hey all, i think dis is a great topic. im currently a law student from a bigger institution, i was supposed to head to UK for my final year, but havin sum difficulty, so need to switch to external, did my research, got few places
offering UOL, mentari school of law, atc, bac.

been to all 3 places, atc is big n nice but heard from a fren studying there,atmosphere not so good.it is tru they still got many senior lecturers but they dont teach,they send the juniors in.rumour has it they dont get paid well.

aso, the top lecturers have left, MK who was the deputy principal went to nirwana, then got another senior 1 went to mentari, and aso another few in mentari.

if all is k ,then so many wont leave mah,sumthin is wron.

well bac is crowded. no notable lectueres, results never show,clp good lah not llb.

mentari,to my amazement is ok. small lah but condusive. the few top lecturers from atc there. the head there use to be the head in atc, they also got the last first class honours graduate teaching there, heard that she's good.

they have aso produced a first class already within 1 one.that tells all.

i went there for preview so i know all this.

fees aso cheap.
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Hi everyone. Im also contemplating to be a legal eagle. I actually went around asking current and ex-students of various places which offer law degree courses.

First thing i hear is that UOL external LLB is the most difficult and highest standard of the law degrees you can get in this region. Forget about UM, UiTm or UIA. there is only 1 or 2 first classes for UOL every year. and they are HARD. (or at least that was what i was told, even by practicing lawyers which actually prefers external students over internal students).

For UOL external LLB, places around KL which provide courses for them are ATC, Brickfields, Mentari School of Law, KDU and Nirwana. Erm, out of the 5, KDU only has about less than 10 students per batch and Nirwana has about 20 or so for the whole course. or that was what I was told. So, maybe a bit lonely la if i go thr.

ATC has the biggest crowd, due to their long standing reputation. but i also heard that last year, quite a number of lecturers actually left. So like sophie said, sounds like there's some problem. but i dont know la.
From what I gather, some lecturers went to Nirwana while some to Mentari. But I got to know that the head lecturer for Jurisprudence went to Mentari la. and from what i could gather, all first class graduates actually scored an A for jurisprudence. i actually got acquainted with the last first class from malaysia for UOL la and she is teaching in Mentari. she told me that to get a first class, must get A for jurisprudence and she credited her A to this Jurisprudence guy.

For Brickfields, they never appealed to me la. they got huge CLP course la but i never hear any great results from their LLB course. but they are the most convenient place i guess, cos they are near to KL sentral.

Im also in a dillemma now. but i guess the key choices for me are actually mentari, atc and brickfields, tho i think i ll look into their results to make a choice la. but i think mentari seems not bad la, cos my friend is studying there and she says lecturers there are always willing to help. waiting for each of their open days to check em out.

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QUOTE(junelee @ Aug 19 2007, 11:56 AM)
First thing i hear is that UOL external LLB is the most difficult and highest standard of the law degrees you can get in this region. Forget about UM, UiTm or UIA. there is only 1 or 2 first classes for UOL every year. and they are HARD. (or at least that was what i was told, even by practicing lawyers which actually prefers external students over internal students).
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1) First of all, I think you mean first class degrees. There are enough second class degrees awarded. What is rare is second upper degrees (2:1s). I've often wondered whether the difficulty in obtaning first class degrees in the external programme can be put down to the difficulty of external study - without the benefit of greater exposure, resources and expertise internal UOL students receive. What is clear is that a far greater number of UOL internal graduates receive firsts and 2:1s. It is unlikely that the external degree is more difficult/marked harder.

I think the most likely cause of the poorer external results if the relatively inferior pool of students. The external LLB has much lower entry requirements (minimum 2 A'level passes). Even Queen Mary asks for AAB at A'levels. That's significantly higher than the external LLB. Lousier students = lousier results. Better students = better results. Simple as that.
The same argument applies for UM and other local unis. Anyone with 2 STPM passes hoping for entry into UM's LLB can keep dreaming (and maybe get his head examined).

So it is not that the external LLB is that much harder.

2) Industry preference - any proof of this? I've never heard it before. Also, what do you mean by 'internal' - UM and other local unis or internal UOL?
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so...what about those twinning programmmes(eg, Inti's twinning)??...is it good??...if you were given a choice..which path will you choose??...towards the twinning or the external one??...
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In reply to wornbook,

well like i said, its all i heard. i didnt assert anything rite. im just new to this. i ll reassert what i heard.

i never said UOL internal is a piece of cake. same standard. different places. this is UOL we are talking about. not some university of eastern or western london ciplak. definitely their internal programs command some standard.
i know for a fact that their reluctance in giving first class (degrees) and also the limited number of second uppers to external students are due to them grading the external students based only on a 3 hour unseen written exam. there is no coursework or assignments. hence the reluctance of giving a first class or second upper. and that is why to obtain a first or a second upper u need to write really well.

and i never meant to have the external UOL course compared to the internal UOL course. but if u compare the UOL external in Malaysia to the myriad of twinning programmes by private universities and colleges, it is WAY harder. their course content is lesser and standard is lower. well i never studied in UM b4 but we can see its no longer in the top 200 best Us now... nor are any other local Unis.

the reason UOL allows for easier admission is because they were established that way, since the old times, as an option for those who are not 'upper middle class' who cannot afford to go to Oxford or Cambridge (wikipedia). Easier admission for UOL external NEVER meant easier passes. but its true, lousier students. and hence the high failure rates. that is why it is difficult. imagine doing what the 'elite' internal students are doing.

and im not a UOL mamasan. they dont pay me to advertise their course here. heck, im not even a student. but this is all the info i have gathered before i start my course and some are by reliable sources or reputable persons.

about the 'preference', that is what i heard from some friends who attached at some well-known local firms, each telling me the ongoings within. how true is that, i dont know. just putting out what i heard to share. perhaps some of us here who have attached/chambered/practicing can shed some light huh.


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so...what about those twinning programmmes(eg, Inti's twinning)??...is it good??...if you were given a choice..which path will you choose??...towards the twinning or the external one??...
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i know someone who is teaching in the UOL LLB external and have taught in the internal 'twinning circles' before. and also part-time tutored inti internal students. lets just say a 55 marks at UOL external LLB is worth a 70 over there. or so the story goes.

but o cos, my friends all say im stupid to choose UOL because its hard. UOL gotta do much more but still have to sit for CLP in the end. better choose the easier option. but i like to have a challenge. i think its known the the legal circle of the diff standards between degrees from diff unis from what i gather. erm, maybe if im too dumb i ll switch somewhere else. smile.gif

btw, in addition to wornbook reply, i just got to know that to do the BAR in UK, all internal Unis LLB graduates have to have at least a second upper but for UOL external LLB, a second lower will suffice. but this is also what i heard. gotta check with the UK peeps if wanna know better.

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the reason UOL allows for easier admission is because they were established that way, since the old times, as an option for those who are not 'upper middle class' who cannot afford to go to Oxford or Cambridge (wikipedia). Easier admission for UOL external NEVER meant easier passes. but its true, lousier students. and hence the high failure rates. that is why it is difficult. imagine doing what the 'elite' internal students are doing.

and im not a UOL mamasan. they dont pay me to advertise their course here. heck, im not even a student. but this is all the info i have gathered before i start my course and some are by reliable sources or reputable persons.

about the 'preference', that is what i heard from some friends who attached at some well-known local firms, each telling me the ongoings within. how true is that, i dont know. just putting out what i heard to share. perhaps some of us here who have attached/chambered/practicing can shed some light huh.

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Can't afford it? I thought it was founded for non-anglicans to pursue a tertiary education.........

No one says one is from UOL.......If one studied at King's, one will say I am from King's.

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Can't afford it? I thought it was founded for non-anglicans to pursue a tertiary education.........

No ones says one is from UOL.......If one studied at King's, one will say I am from King's.
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err. true. no one says that way. cept for externals i guess. who would say they are externals. thx. and thx for enlightening about the non-anglicans thingie. i think its my bad thr. smile.gif.
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Junelee,
First of all, you sounded extremely like an agent pushing his/her course in your previous posts - I think it was 3 posts in 3 seperate threads all extolling the virtues of UOL external LLB. I've made no secret the fact that I dislike agents in general. IMO, they're far too happy to promote their courses with half-truths and even lies, catching unwary students and their parents.
So since you're not an agent, I apologise if I cam across as a bit harsh. But I still stand by what I said - maybe the tone could be lowered a little. Anyway, it's hard to get the tone of voice across on the internet. But I digress.

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i never said UOL internal is a piece of cake. same standard. different places. this is UOL we are talking about. not some university of eastern or western london ciplak. definitely their internal programs command some standard.
i know for a fact that their reluctance in giving first class (degrees) and also the limited number of second uppers to external students are due to them grading the external students based only on a 3 hour unseen written exam. there is no coursework or assignments. hence the reluctance of giving a first class or second upper. and that is why to obtain a first or a second upper u need to write really well. 

You need to write really well to get a first or 2:1 in the internal programme as well. And anyway, coursework and assignments in general count for very little in most law degrees (excluding US/Canada). I actually disagree with that but this is irrelevent here. My point is that the 100% exam is less of a disadvantage than you make it out to be.

I think the external students' disadvantage comes from their lack of access to top academics. The people who mark trial papers at ATC, Brickfields whatever are simply not in the same league as the UCL, KCL etc lecturers who mark and grade the internal students year round. And these people will be the ones who mark the final exam for both the internal and external LLB. So the internal students have the advantage of gauging their standards against the expectations of the pros, so to speak. And if they fall below the mark, they know they have to improve. External students lack this.

And then, there's the lower standard of external students on average as well.

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and i never meant to have the external UOL course compared to the internal UOL course. but if u compare the UOL external in Malaysia to the myriad of twinning programmes by private universities and colleges, it is WAY harder. their course content is lesser and standard is lower. well i never studied in UM b4 but we can see its no longer in the top 200 best Us now... nor are any other local Unis.

You have to make yourself clearer then. What was I to expect when you pulled up the names of UCL etc to lend support to the external LLB? And there wasn't even a shred of mention of the twinning programmes in your earlier post.

As for UM and other local universities, you don't give them enough justice. First those international rankings are heavily biased towards certain countries. Secondly, ranking are always debatable and not infaliable. And thirdly, I bet those STPM 4.0 students in UM's LLB have a decent chance of getting a 2:1, if not a first, in the law programmes of the so-called top UK universities. Not so for the average external student. It's not fair on UM and other local uni sudents to dismiss their course and all the hadwork they've put in simply on the basis of some 'world rankings'.

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the reason UOL allows for easier admission is because they were established that way, since the old times, as an option for those who are not 'upper middle class' who cannot afford to go to Oxford or Cambridge (wikipedia). Easier admission for UOL external NEVER meant easier passes. but its true, lousier students. and hence the high failure rates. that is why it is difficult. imagine doing what the 'elite' internal students are doing.

I never said that it's easier to pass the external programme. What I did say is that I can't imagine it being harder.

It would help if you read the Wikipedia articles you quoted a little more closely. The first 2 colleges of the UOL were UCL and KCL. UCL (known as "London University at that time) was established as a non-religious university, to educate non-Anglicans (as feymann stated) of the "middling rich people".
KCL was then established in opposition to UCL's secular nature. In other words, KCL was an institution founded on Anglican principles. It did however, admit "non-conformists".
It was only after the merger of the two when the newly-formed University of London began to operate for the benefit of the less-wealthy.

No where in the history of the institutions is there any provision for easier admissions. In those days, admission would have been "easier" anyway, relative to the present, because few people even finished school and the advent of grade-inflation had not arrived. It is quite likely that the lower admission standards remained simply because there was no need to limit the number of students, resource allocation being less of an issue.

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i know someone who is teaching in the UOL LLB external and have taught in the internal 'twinning circles' before. and also part-time tutored inti internal students. lets just say a 55 marks at UOL external LLB is worth a 70 over there. or so the story goes.

I'm not surprised. Since they're driven for money and thus the need to pass students.

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but o cos, my friends all say im stupid to choose UOL because its hard. UOL gotta do much more but still have to sit for CLP in the end. better choose the easier option. but i like to have a challenge. i think its known the the legal circle of the diff standards between degrees from diff unis from what i gather. erm, maybe if im too dumb i ll switch somewhere else. smile.gif

I think it's not quite accurate to say that UOL is hard. More like the twinning programmes are easy. tongue.gif The way I see it, UOL's standards are in keeping with proper standards whereas the others are lower than they should be. If you work, hard, you should be ok.

The disadvantage with the UOL external programme is that you won't get a chance to go overseas. The one year's exposure, even in an 'inferior' uni, has the potential to be very very beneficial. Unless going overseas is not an option for you?

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btw, in addition to wornbook reply, i just got to know that to do the BAR in UK, all internal Unis LLB graduates have to have at least a second upper but for UOL external LLB, a second lower will suffice. but this is also what i heard. gotta check with the UK peeps if wanna know better.

No. According to the BSB website, the minimum is a 2:2. But a vast majority of students who undertake the BVC will have firsts. Pupillages for barrister training are very very very very competitive and seriously, a student with a 2:2 even from Oxford hasn't a hope in hell of landing a pupillage. The prohibitive cost of the BVC will keep ou students who don't fance their chances from taking it - no point going into massive debt if you won't succeed in the end.

And that's assuming the student even gains admission into the BVC, which is also competitive. They consider more than just grades at the admission stage. It might be different for international students. But as a general rule, BVC applicants and students have either firsts or high 2:1s.


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No one says one is from UOL.......If one studied at King's, one will say I am from King's.
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Incidentally UCL, KCL, and LSE all have degree-granting powers and intend to exercise them from this year onwards. They might soon follow the footsteps of Imperial and leave the UOL entirely.

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Incidentally UCL, KCL, and LSE all have degree-granting powers and intend to exercise them from this year onwards. They might soon follow the footsteps of Imperial and leave the UOL entirely.
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Really? The 3 have been granted said powers by the Privy Council?
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Really? The 3 have been granted said powers by the Privy Council?
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Yep. The trio applied for the powers in 2005 and were granted them.

See: http://www.ucl.ac.uk/current-students/exam...e-awarding/faq/
They are still a constituent part of the UOL... for the time being anyway.



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[quote=wornbook,Aug 20 2007, 08:11 AM]
The disadvantage with the UOL external programme is that you won't get a chance to go overseas. The one year's exposure, even in an 'inferior' uni, has the potential to be very very beneficial. Unless going overseas is not an option for you?
No. According to the BSB website, the minimum is a 2:2. But a vast majority of students who undertake the BVC will have firsts. Pupillages for barrister training are very very very very competitive and seriously, a student with a 2:2 even from Oxford hasn't a hope in hell of landing a pupillage. The prohibitive cost of the BVC will keep ou students who don't fance their chances from taking it - no point going into massive debt if you won't succeed in the end.

And that's assuming the student even gains admission into the BVC, which is also competitive. They consider more than just grades at the admission stage. It might be different for international students. But as a general rule, BVC applicants and students have either firsts or high 2:1s.

Well actually the entry for the BVC is a minimum of a 2:2, and they are not that strict, well at least for international students for i have a few friends with average 2:2s in there, one has completed and passed her Bar exams at Lincoln's. It is the pupillage that kills, for competition is really really stiff, and is the main deterrent for potential international students intending to do the BVC.

I do agree that the UOL is not "harder" than local or twinning courses, but the hurdles mainly lie in those few days a year, where UOL external students have to sit for an exam, set by a foreign examiner, whom they have probably met at most once, and on which their entire degree is based upon. It is definitely easier to do twinning courses, but then again, the universities will usually look at your A levels before awarding u a transfer, so your ALE/STPM marks count. So if you got two passes which probably allows u to do UOL, it may not be good enough for a Cardiff Uni, or Leeds, or Manchester LLB UK transfer.

It all really depends on what you intend to do, i dun really believe in rankings, well, not if u stay in Malaysia at least. Its not that much of a meritocracy. Every course that you do has pros and cons, whether you want the flexibility and a UK Degree from UOL(which would help if u intend to migrate to UK :-) im considering it), or the local LLB which allows you to learn (in depth) about local laws and practices (constitution) without the need to do the CLP later is all up to you. Arm yourselves with what you think you can use to your best interests.
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just curious... have anyone done UOL external LLB here?
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Well actually the entry for the BVC  is a minimum of a 2:2, and they are not that strict, well at least for international students for i have a few friends with average 2:2s in there, one has completed and passed her Bar exams at Lincoln's. It is the pupillage that kills, for competition is really really stiff, and is the main deterrent for potential international students intending to do the BVC.

I stand corrected.

I heard that the locals aren't normally let into the course with the minimum 2:2. Maybe it's simply that 2:2 local students won't even take the course since the likelihood of securing a pupillage is so tiny it's not worth getting into such a huge debt for. As for Malaysian/international students, most intend to practice in foreign jurisdictions so the circumstances are different.

Pupillages - it's tough enough for the locals (UK/EU nationality) and it's next to impossible for Malaysians for various reasons, none the least immigration/work permit laws. The Malaysian candidate will have to be truly exceptional to have a chance of competiting with also exceptional local candidates. Look at these two examples of Malaysians in English chambers - Gareth Wong and Ng Jern Fei. Check out their CVs. How many of us can come even close?

Both re Cambridge graduates and have won numerous scholarships and awards, plus were active in mooting and debating. One also has a Cambridge LLM. And I bet that during their studies, they went out of their way to get relevant work experience and mini-pupillages. I'm sure there's more that's not mentioned.

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I do agree that the UOL is not "harder" than local or twinning courses, but the hurdles mainly lie in those few days a year, where UOL external students have to sit for an exam, set by a foreign examiner, whom they have probably met at most once, and on which their entire degree is based upon.

Exactly. That's what I was trying to say but you put it so much more eloquently than me. rclxms.gif



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i heard many ones saying that UOL(external) is way harder compared to those twinning ones...can i know the reason ppl saying it is harder comparing to others??..beside the examination thingy...
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Pupillages - it's tough enough for the locals (UK/EU nationality) and it's next to impossible for Malaysians for various reasons, none the least immigration/work permit laws. The Malaysian candidate will have to be truly exceptional to have a chance of competiting with also exceptional local candidates. Look at these two examples of Malaysians in English chambers - Gareth Wong and Ng Jern Fei. Check out their CVs. How many of us can come even close?

Both re Cambridge graduates and have won numerous scholarships and awards, plus were active in mooting and debating. One also has a Cambridge LLM. And I bet that during their studies, they went out of their way to get relevant work experience and mini-pupillages. I'm sure there's more that's not mentioned.
Exactly. That's what I was trying to say but you put it so much more eloquently than me.  rclxms.gif
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I personally know one. Not the ones above though.
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Personally i fell if u hav the money its better to do the twinning programmes in taylors or help than go to atc or brickfields. these colleges offer better campus life plus they have prestigious twinning partners as in redaing for taylors and manchester and sheffield for help. Even ATC and BAC twinning programmes don't offer such prestigious partners. U can get involved in mooting competitions and debates wic don't normally happen at bac or atc coz their too busy concentratin on exams..........

Plus u can go overseas as compared to the external.....
If u dont hav the money, it is betta to do it locally in MMU coz u dont hav to sit for clp n u get involved in 'real' campus life!
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Personally i fell if u hav the money its better to do the twinning programmes in taylors or help than go to atc or brickfields. these colleges offer better campus life plus they have prestigious twinning partners as in redaing for taylors and manchester and sheffield for help. Even ATC and BAC twinning programmes don't offer such prestigious partners. U can get involved in mooting competitions and debates wic don't normally happen at bac or atc coz their too busy concentratin on exams..........

Plus u can go  overseas as compared to the external.....
If u dont hav the money, it is betta to do it locally in MMU coz u dont hav to sit for clp n u get involved in 'real' campus life!
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I did share your view on the "campus life" issue, before i registered for UOL external...and i still agree it has the potential to make your university life more fulfilling in terms of a total learning experience, CCAs and so on.

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how is the reputation for university of tasmania (UTAS) for law programme?
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UTAS....KDU programme...

well, im not sure about the environment and everything, but in terms of ranking and prestige, i would say pretty average. Most of the other twinning programmes which involve UK unis would definitely be a better choice, if u want to consider studying in the UK.


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UTAS....KDU programme...

well, im not sure about the environment and everything, but in terms of ranking and prestige, i would say pretty average. Most of the other twinning programmes which involve UK unis would definitely be a better choice, if u want to consider studying in the UK.
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I don't know about that... UWE Bristol and Hertfortshire aren't anywhere near prestigious. Others - Cardiff, Aberystwyth, Northumbria, Oxford Brookes - are better, but not obviously better choices than UTAS.

If possible, go for the red-bricks. There are a surprising number of decent red-brick unis who twin with Malaysian colleges.
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I don't know about that... UWE Bristol and Hertfortshire aren't anywhere near prestigious. Others - Cardiff, Aberystwyth, Northumbria, Oxford Brookes - are better, but not obviously better choices than UTAS.

If possible, go for the red-bricks. There are a surprising number of decent red-brick unis who twin with Malaysian colleges.
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Firstly, this post is strictly based on rankings posted by independent sources, and i by no means intend to offend anyone. Just wanted to post some sources in terms of rankings for easy reference if required. :-)

I would definitely agree on UWE and Hertfordshire, though i reckon that Cardiff is definitely a league above the rest of the mentioned universities. In Malaysia, the main UK Law twinning unis one should look at are manchester, leeds, cardiff, sheffield and maybe liverpool, exeter and reading. All these universities rank in and about the top 40 law schools in the UK by Guardian. With the exception of Exeter, they all rank in the THES 2006 top 200 overall university guide (2007 guide not out yet i think). If you look at subject specifically, http://extras.timesonline.co.uk/gug/goodun...sub=21&x=37&y=7, then for law, THES ranks Cardiff at a lowly 38, but still above the universities u mentioned. Im not sure why THES ranks Cardiff so lowly on their law programme, but coupled with the ranking by THES overall and by Guardian, i would definitely say its MUCH better than the others you mentioned.

If you were to refer to the SJTU top 500 university guides, you would see that overall UNI of Tasmania is in the bottom 500 of that list.

if you were to view an australian source http://www.melbourneinstitute.com/publicat...e%20Summary.pdf , you would see that for law, Uni of Tasmania is 12th in this survey among Australian Universities. Article dated Nov 2006.

If you were to view http://www.australian-universities.com/rankings/, you would see that overall Uni of Tasmania is still average among its other local universities. Honestly i''ve never heard of Flinders university...so something that ranks below it...well!

Basically i did not look at one ranking specifically, i looked at subject specifically and overall, based on the numerous well known ranking sites. Of course all the ones i mentioned are free to view, so feel free. I do not have information from sources that require you to pay. But THES, Guardian and SJTU are highly regarded for their ranking system so i follow them.
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QUOTE(alsree786 @ Sep 30 2007, 04:31 PM)
Firstly, this post is strictly based on rankings posted by independent sources, and i by no means intend to offend anyone. Just wanted to post some sources in terms of rankings for easy reference if required. :-)

I would definitely agree on UWE and Hertfordshire, though i reckon that Cardiff is definitely a league above the rest of the mentioned universities. In Malaysia, the main UK Law twinning unis one should look at are manchester, leeds, cardiff, sheffield and maybe liverpool, exeter and reading. All these universities rank in and about the top 40 law schools in the UK by Guardian. With the exception of Exeter, they all rank in the THES 2006 top 200 overall university guide (2007 guide not out yet i think). If you look at subject specifically, http://extras.timesonline.co.uk/gug/goodun...sub=21&x=37&y=7, then for law, THES ranks Cardiff at a lowly 38, but still above the universities u mentioned. Im not sure why THES ranks Cardiff so lowly on their law programme, but coupled with the ranking by THES overall and by Guardian, i would definitely say its MUCH better than the others you mentioned.
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I agree. I made a mistake including Cardiff in the same list as Northumbria etc. Wasn't thinking straight.

Though I rank Manchester and Leeds slightly above Cardiff and Sheffield. Then comes Liverpool, Exeter and Reading - while not in the same league as Manchester and Leeds, they're pretty good. That's what I meant by red-brick unis, ie pre-1960s unis. All generally well-respected, whether for law or other "traditional" subjects.
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i believe that there are many ways in which one can take to pursue a career in the legal field here in Malaysia. You can always apply to local universities to do your law degree after your STPM (which will be an easier route since you do not need to take the CLP) or you can do your A levels and apply for universities (from uk,aust,nz). However, you need good results to even consider better universities.

this is where the UOL external comes in. I believe that there is a lot of talk going on about how difficult the exam is. The main reason why it is difficult is because of the quality of students doing the program. two Es in your A levels is all you need to qualify. However, this is where the problem lies.
There are a lot of weak students doing the UOL external LLB and this is reflected in the statistics they show each year (it is shown in the students handbook each year) however, the filtering process begins after the intermediate year. The better students will move on to part 1 and part 2
with the other students either getting referrals or repeating the year.

another thing that seems to make it a bit difficult is because of the examinations. 3 hours for each subject and you have to answer 4 questions.
one years preparation, reading, understanding ...etc would depend on that 3 hours. Needless to say, many cannot take this pressure. For my intermediate year, we had to take 4 subjects in consecutive days. This demands a great deal of determination and concentration as well.

sincerely, i do not think UOL is difficult.
i know because i went through it
however, it is difficult to get good marks (bs and B+s or the rare As)

don't believe all the rumors about how hard or tough the UOL degree is.

IT IS NOT.

like any other law degree, hard work and good reading and writing skills will eventually reap benefits.

and to be honest, it does not matter where you did you lLB from. If you want to practice here in M'sia, most would do their CLP. Until you pass that paper, nothing really gets going for you. My friend did his LLB from Kings College, another from Tasmania U in Aust. I did mine from UOL. End of the day, all of us had to do the same bloody paper...







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the thing is this
no matter where u complete ur degree in law except for local U's u still have to pass ur CLP if u want to practise
thats the hard part
if u want to be a LLB holder or just a law grad for the sake of good CV any where will do as long as it is recognise
to choose between external or internal .... internal definitely easier and that external is all about hardwork determination good writing skills ...if u want easy college life external is definitely out... icon_rolleyes.gif
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What do you guys think about Help University's law programme??
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yeah, honestly, i agree with the CLP bit, it is definitely the toughest hurdle if u intend to practice. But honestly i am not sure what makes it so difficult...the exam based format? the workload? or the "quota?

Anyway, i again agree that in Malaysia if ur degree is not from a top tier university, then it does not really matter...the rest are the rest. But for ppl like me, who eye possible migration options, then it matters. I admit i care too much about rank and prestige, and i BLAME it on my upbringing in Singapore, the most critical meritocracy society around.
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QUOTE(DannGun @ Oct 1 2007, 11:29 AM)
What do you guys think about Help University's law programme??
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if u are doing external ....maybe ATC still is the better option
if u r doin internal then u have to c wat Uni are they offering...and make some good research on whether it is recognise or not

QUOTE(alsree786 @ Oct 1 2007, 04:24 PM)
yeah, honestly, i agree with the CLP bit, it is definitely the toughest hurdle if u intend to practice. But honestly i am not sure what makes it so difficult...the exam based format? the workload? or the "quota?

Anyway, i again agree that in Malaysia if ur degree is not from a top tier university, then it does not really matter...the rest are the rest. But for ppl like me, who eye possible migration options, then it matters. I admit i care too much about rank and prestige, and i BLAME it on my upbringing in Singapore, the most critical meritocracy society around.
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agree with u .... the thing is that if we are going for a larger option in working in other country and stuff we have to get the best recognisable Uni that offers the LLB program.... for me ive done the Uni of London program and its achievable not that difficult in doing it but need hard work and determination...

as for the Clp its hard cause its a subjective format with an obj answer.. cause u need to know every single detail in the statute and the choices of cases are also important ..... if u got a case that is somewhat similar on the issue but it is not in the answer skim then u got no marks for it ...
im doin clp now
and its kinda bulky cause the of the memorising stuff that we need to do

abt the quota ....nobody knows abt that ...its a system that is still a mystery on whether there is a quota or not doh.gif

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QUOTE(alsree786 @ Oct 1 2007, 04:24 PM)
Anyway, i again agree that in Malaysia if ur degree is not from a top tier university, then it does not really matter...the rest are the rest. But for ppl like me, who eye possible migration options, then it matters. I admit i care too much about rank and prestige, and i BLAME it on my upbringing in Singapore, the most critical meritocracy society around.
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IMO, the university prestige factor in migration is over-rated. Unless you're planning to migrate as a fresh grad (next to impossible) and are an international student trying to stay back, it's the work experience that counts. Not the university's name. Who cares whether you came from Oxford or UWE Bristol when you've got 10 years experience at the top end of the market?

And anyway, a first class degree from a mid-tier uni won't be a massive disadvantage in the job market. Sure, Oxbridge on a CV looks great. But employers look at a whole other range of factors... at least, the ones overseas do.

For me, the benefits of going to a top university lies more in the exposure and experience rather than future employability (except for that first job). Better lecturers, resources, peers tend to push students on to greater heights.
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QUOTE(wornbook @ Oct 1 2007, 05:41 PM)
IMO, the university prestige factor in migration is over-rated. Unless you're planning to migrate as a fresh grad (next to impossible) and are an international student trying to stay back, it's the work experience that counts. Not the university's name. Who cares whether you came from Oxford or UWE Bristol when you've got 10 years experience at the top end of the market?

And anyway, a first class degree from a mid-tier uni won't be a massive disadvantage in the job market. Sure, Oxbridge on a CV looks great. But employers look at a whole other range of factors... at least, the ones overseas do.

For me, the benefits of going to a top university lies more in the exposure and experience rather than future employability (except for that first job). Better lecturers, resources, peers tend to push students on to greater heights.
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Hey. I need serious advice here

I already have a degree is Communication but I want to study law and become an attorney

Should I take LLB or do CLP? Which one? By the way, I don't want to be an attorney here but in another country.

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QUOTE(DDSFan8 @ Oct 20 2007, 08:26 AM)
Hey. I need serious advice here

I already have a degree is Communication but I want to study law and become an attorney

Should I take LLB or do CLP? Which one? By the way, I don't want to be an attorney here but in another country.
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err...u need a LLB to do a CLP...the CLP is a practicing certificate that will allow u to be a member of the Malaysian Bar. Since you already have a degree i would suggest doing the UOL external graduate entry route...you can complete ur LLB in two years if u work hard enough! Whether they allow u to pursue that route would depend on the recognition of ur current degree.

And since you want to go overseas doing a local LLb programme with a Local Uni would be pointless coz it takes about 4 years (not sure whether they have a grad entry route) and strictly in my opinion, if u intend to go overseas, it would be better to get a degree from a more internationally recognised Uni.

More importantly, where do u want to go? The Singapore Bar does not recognise twinning and External Law programmes, so u have to check with the local country or state law society/bar assocoiations first before u decide which degree u want to do. Obviously u can do the UK bar that would allow u to practice in a number of countries, but already discussed, this option is becoming increasingly difficult especially for foreign students.

u need an llb first....

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What if one decides to migrate and work in overseas like Australia [I know diff. state,diff. system] ?


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What if one decides to migrate and work in overseas like Australia [I know diff. state,diff. system] ?
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Australia prides itself on its own qualifications, so the best bet would to actually do your entire law degree there...IF u can afford it!! If u cant, then the Tasmania LLB via KDU is a good help if u need to score points on the Skills assessment for the Visa.


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I want to finish in the University of Hong Kong. How come Singapore don't recognize?

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QUOTE(alsree786 @ Oct 21 2007, 02:08 AM)
Australia prides itself on its own qualifications, so the best bet would to actually do your entire law degree there...IF u can afford it!! If u cant, then the Tasmania LLB via KDU is a good help if u need to score points on the Skills assessment for the Visa.
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In order to score point,if I'm not mistaken,one has to do at least 2 years of studies in Australia right?

Anyhow,after one has got a LLB,what's next? Say Western Australia..? LOL
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QUOTE(DDSFan8 @ Oct 21 2007, 02:21 AM)
I want to finish in the University of Hong Kong. How come Singapore don't recognize?
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http://www.lawsociety.org.sg/ble/n_first_schedule.htm

Hmmm...they refer specifically to Uk, Australia and New Zealand law programmes, but im not sure for Uni of HK. Should check out with them...

For UK, Australian and NZ LLBs:
Singapore Law Society does not recognise External Programmes, Twinning Programmes, Accelerated degree courses or those Law and Accounting/Law and Management degrees for admission into the Singapore Bar except where you obtained your degree before the rules kicked in of which the exact year depends on which category your degree falls in

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oh this means can la. As long as I got LLB I can go apply for bar in HKU.
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QUOTE(Tainted @ Oct 21 2007, 12:20 PM)
In order to score point,if I'm not mistaken,one has to do at least 2 years of studies in Australia right?

Anyhow,after one has got a LLB,what's next? Say Western Australia..? LOL
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Refering back to my question.
After obtaining a LLB,one can go straight to do chambering and called to bar??
Or one has to do a program like CLP?
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Every country got their own "CLP" program that you NEED to do if you want to enter BAR.
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I know that every country has got their own 'CLP' prog. but what I like to know is how's the route?
As I heard that those who did british law are required to do some extra papers in Aus.

Is it something like this?
Route: SPM -> Pre-U -> LLB -> Practice cert. -> Clerkship ?

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QUOTE(Tainted @ Oct 27 2007, 11:18 PM)
I know that every country has got their own 'CLP' prog. but what I like to know is how's the route?
As I heard that those who did british law are required to do some extra papers in Aus.

Is it something like this?
Route: SPM -> Pre-U -> LLB -> Practice cert. -> Clerkship ?
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I can't tell you about Aus, but I can tell you about NZ. IMO, NZ must have one of the easiest jurisdictions in the world to qualify in.

Route: NZ Bursary/NCEA Level 3/A'levels/SAM/STPM -> LLB -> Legal Professional Course -> Admission to the Bar + practice cert.
The Professionals are only 13 weeks long and basically everyone passes and there's no pupillage.

Graduates from foreign jurisdictions will probably have to re-sit some core LLB papers. Exactly what will depend on where their degrees were awarded.
Qualified Aussie lawyers are exempted - they are entitled to practice in NZ (and vice versa).

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how can those college even touch UM?
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how can those college even touch UM?
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Your question should be how can the University of London LLB even touch UM, for those colleges offer UOL LLB as their main law programme amongst others....
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So it is safe la to study LLB in Malaysia first?
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So it is safe la to study LLB in Malaysia first?
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What are the career options available for law graduates which does not require CLP?
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Is CLP a definite must?

I've heard news from somewhere before that people who chooses not to take their CLP exams, can take something similar to CLP in the UK's...

there's a name for it..I forgot... LOL.. but it is somewhat being recognized as something on par with CLP also.

That was what I heard, don't know whether it is true or not
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Is CLP a definite must?

I've heard news from somewhere before that people who chooses not to take their CLP exams, can take something similar to CLP in the UK's...

there's a name for it..I forgot... LOL.. but it is somewhat being recognized as something on par with CLP also.

That was what I heard, don't know whether it is true or not
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yea...it's the Bar exams that u can do in the UK and is recognised here...

i think there are posts regarding it in previous pages...

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i want to ask about the route which will i take after SPM this year.. i know it's still centuries after SPM and you may think i am thinking too much, but i always want to make my mind clear and plan properly..

i am planning to become a solicitor in the future, what's the requirement and courses i should take (is it until LLB only?)

which subject should i take in A-Level? (suggest 4 from the below)
• Law
• Business Studies
• Economics
• Sociology
• Accounting


btw, i am planning to join BAC next year, my trial result is 6A6B (3 1As, 3 2As, 2 3Bs, 4 4Bs) will i be accepted by BAC with this bad result?

hope to hear from you guys asap..

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QUOTE(cyh03176 @ Nov 6 2007, 04:09 AM)
i want to ask about the route which will i take after SPM this year.. i know it's still centuries after SPM and you may think i am thinking too much, but i always want to make my mind clear and plan properly..

i am planning to become a solicitor in the future, what's the requirement and courses i should take (is it until LLB only?)

which subject should i take in A-Level? (suggest 4 from the below)
. Law
. Business Studies
. Economics
. Sociology
. Accounting
btw, i am planning to join BAC next year, my trial result is 6A6B (3 1As, 3 2As, 2 3Bs, 4 4Bs) will i be accepted by BAC with this bad result?

hope to hear from you guys asap..
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If you have no problems with SPM add maths, take A-level mathematics. Economics and physics are good choices too.
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QUOTE(feynman @ Nov 6 2007, 06:14 AM)
If you have no problems with SPM add maths, take A-level mathematics. Economics and physics are good choices too.
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I set my mind to focus on law (such as company law as my main), so i decided to study more on subjects to do with company (business, account, economics) so.. i didn't plan to take maths and physics..

btw, i still need more advises..
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QUOTE(cyh03176 @ Nov 6 2007, 02:55 PM)
I set my mind to focus on law (such as company law as my main), so i decided to study more on subjects to do with company (business, account, economics) so.. i didn't plan to take maths and physics..

btw, i still need more advises..
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Out of the five that you have suggested, you should definitely take law and business if u intend to do the llb. Accounting is relatively simple, so i would suggest that..an easy A. For the other one, well...up to you really, but the three i've mentioned are recommended by moi. Taking A Level Law will help you a little for your first year law, and at least you'll have an insight into the study of law.

Note however, some universities may require you to take General Paper at A levels, so check first.
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Why not do pre-law which is also part of A-levels.
Subjects are law and history.
Duration is 1 yr.
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QUOTE(alsree786 @ Nov 6 2007, 08:43 PM)
Out of the five that you have suggested, you should definitely take law and business if u intend to do the llb. Accounting is relatively simple, so i would suggest that..an easy A. For the other one, well...up to you really, but the three i've mentioned are recommended by moi. Taking A Level Law will help you a little for your first year law, and at least you'll have an insight into the study of law.

Note however, some universities may require you to take General Paper at A levels, so check first.
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So, do Brickfields require General Paper which you mention?

QUOTE(Tainted @ Nov 6 2007, 09:33 PM)
Why not do pre-law which is also part of A-levels.
Subjects are law and history.
Duration is 1 yr.
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I don't want to do all law-related, i prefer Major Law, Minor Business
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So, do Brickfields require General Paper which you mention?
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umm...if u intend to do the Uni of London external programme....then u do not need GP for A levels. Neither do u need it for twinning programmes...it is only when u enrol directly for internal programmes, mainly overseas that some may require GP, like the NUS Law Programme for example.
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umm...if u intend to do the Uni of London external programme....then u do not need GP for A levels. Neither do u need it for twinning programmes...it is only when u enrol directly for internal programmes, mainly overseas that some may require GP, like the NUS Law Programme for example.
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YES! thanks ya!
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QUOTE(DDSFan8 @ Oct 22 2007, 07:53 AM)
oh this means can la. As long as I got LLB I can go apply for bar in HKU.
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But I think to be an attorney in HK, you have to be a citizen or PR...right?
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why no one think of taylor's ? their law debate *sapu all the private colleges in malaysia inclusive of UM, Uitm
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But I think to be an attorney in HK, you have to be a citizen or PR...right?
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No need leh. But you need to know Chinese lor. That is why I am learning Chinese now because in HK, they got 1 paper is called Litigation in Chinese language.
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why no one think of taylor's ? their law debate *sapu all the private colleges in malaysia inclusive of UM, Uitm
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Taylor sucks because they recruit almost every into their campus.. they take weak and rude students in as well.. but i know Taylor have good students and good lecturer as well.. but i dont want to hurt my eyes to watch the lala's in Taylor..


Added on November 8, 2007, 10:40 pmi heard that to become a lawyer got to pass certain degree? what is the minimum degree to qualify as a lawyer and not a clerk work in the law firm? i heard it's something like first degree? not sure..

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QUOTE(cyh03176 @ Nov 8 2007, 10:39 PM)
Taylor sucks because they recruit almost every into their campus.. they take weak and rude students in as well.. but i know Taylor have good students and good lecturer as well.. but i dont want to hurt my eyes to watch the lala's in Taylor..


Added on November 8, 2007, 10:40 pmi heard that to become a lawyer got to pass certain degree? what is the minimum degree to qualify as a lawyer and not a clerk work in the law firm? i heard it's something like first degree? not sure..
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LOL~ It's very hard to get first degree. To be a lawyer you need to take CLP, or BAR. And to take CLP u need to get at least second degree for LLB, while if I am not mistaken, the BAR will need at least Second Upper Degree. rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(DDSFan8 @ Nov 8 2007, 08:16 PM)
No need leh. But you need to know Chinese lor. That is why I am learning Chinese now because in HK, they got 1 paper is called Litigation in Chinese language.
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But how do you get a work permit? Work for a firm and has them got you a working permit? Or is there another route to it?
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Hey....I have a question here...

Which areas I can go to if I don't choose to practice law?

These are the answers that I have so far from the people that I have asked.

1. In house legal adviser
2. Legal journalist
3. Police inspector
4. Legal editor
5. Lecturer

What else to add into the list?
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QUOTE(DDSFan8 @ Nov 8 2007, 08:16 PM)
No need leh. But you need to know Chinese lor. That is why I am learning Chinese now because in HK, they got 1 paper is called Litigation in Chinese language.
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So what's the route to become a lawyer in HK? What's your plan? Are you gonna get into HKU to study LLB, then do PCLL, then puppilage for 1-2 yrs?
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QUOTE(cherryblossom @ Nov 9 2007, 12:04 AM)
LOL~ It's very hard to get first degree. To be a lawyer you need to take CLP, or BAR. And to take CLP u need to get at least second degree for LLB, while if I am not mistaken, the BAR will need at least Second Upper Degree.  rclxub.gif
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i planned to become a solicitor.. so, CLP is not needed, right? or? i don't know.. i am a newbie.. please tell me what to do after spm and the minimum grades needed in each exam until i become a solicitor
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QUOTE(cyh03176 @ Nov 10 2007, 01:12 AM)
i planned to become a solicitor.. so, CLP is not needed, right? or? i don't know.. i am a newbie.. please tell me what to do after spm and the minimum grades needed in each exam until i become a solicitor
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You'll still need CLP. Malaysia has a fused legal profession. To qualify as an Advocate and Solicitor, you need both CLP and Chambering. Unless you're in Sabah or Sarawak.
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You can finish LLB in HKU and then continue as normal or you can finish it here and get their CLP and then you're done.

That is why it is recommended to find a job in an MNC, finish your LLB here then transfer to HK to get the license to practice law there.

In short, if you want to practice law anywhere in the world, you need to finish the country's version of CLP

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QUOTE(cyh03176 @ Nov 10 2007, 01:12 AM)
i planned to become a solicitor.. so, CLP is not needed, right? or? i don't know.. i am a newbie.. please tell me what to do after spm and the minimum grades needed in each exam until i become a solicitor
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CLP will still be needed if you wanna become a lawyer. However, CLP only can be used in Malaysia I think. If you plan to practise at other country, BAR is recommended.

To take A Level and LLB, 5 credits needed in SPM, and 2 passes needed in A Level. The requirements are still low and easily achieved. After SPM, you can opt to take STPM, SAM or others that qualified.
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QUOTE(cherryblossom @ Nov 9 2007, 12:04 AM)
LOL~ It's very hard to get first degree. To be a lawyer you need to take CLP, or BAR. And to take CLP u need to get at least second degree for LLB, while if I am not mistaken, the BAR will need at least Second Upper Degree.  rclxub.gif
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I always heard second upper level..but what is that axactly? Does that mean C+?? Cause I'm not familiar with this type of the grading system..
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second upper = 2:1 = minimum of 4 B+ 60 marks/subject

second lower = 2:2 = minimum of 4B = 50 marks/subject
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thanks alot guys..
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QUOTE(schizophrenic @ Nov 10 2007, 11:00 PM)
second upper = 2:1 = minimum of 4 B+ 60 marks/subject

second lower = 2:2 = minimum of 4B = 50 marks/subject
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For the Uni of London Programme:
In an email received their rep informed me that on top of the 4 B+s required for a 2:1, the student needs to hit 450 marks...but many ppl here say that that is not required...so im not sure!! But anyhow, thats what im aiming for....
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QUOTE(alsree786 @ Nov 13 2007, 02:29 PM)
For the Uni of London Programme:
In an email received their rep informed me that on top of the 4 B+s required for a 2:1, the student needs to hit 450 marks...but many ppl here say that that is not required...so im not sure!! But anyhow, thats what im aiming for....
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woah~ don't think it is easy...
Good Luck to you then!
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QUOTE(youhei_mito @ Jun 10 2007, 11:45 PM)
tumpang thread ya  sweat.gif since the topic is on 'best law school in msia'

ok. i've just completed 1st year in atc (whtr i will pass the 1st year is another story altogether), and i just received an offer to start 1st year in um law this coming intake. Q is -- which one shud i take?
the cheaper route would of course be um, but the faster route (provided i do not stumble at all throughout the 3 years of LLB and miraculously pass CLP on first try) would be the atc route. not tat i'm thrilled and eager to work a year earlier but considering the chambering & getting salary equivalent to a gardener's for 9 whole months, i really don like the idea of having it delayed any further.

quality-wise, would a uol external degree be worth more than um's law degree? wat say in terms of international recognition?

opinions highly appreciated  notworthy.gif

PS: does anyone wan honest (i do mean honest) opinions on atc? i can offer mine smile.gif
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why um law will offer u ? how come ?
U r STPM leaver ?
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QUOTE(cherryblossom @ Nov 14 2007, 05:38 PM)
woah~ don't think it is easy...
Good Luck to you then!
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thanks for the luck...am on the right track so far... biggrin.gif
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I'm planning to do LLB at HELP january nx year. however, i wonder if I can apply for any other twinning universities other than their partners?

Can I do at Australia? Spore or somewhere else? I mean complete the third year
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QUOTE(kvys2000 @ Dec 7 2007, 03:27 PM)
I'm planning to do LLB at HELP january nx year. however, i wonder if I can apply for any other twinning universities other than their partners?

Can I do at Australia? Spore or somewhere else? I mean complete the third year
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IMO that would be rather difficult unless u have extremely high marks...but even then it depends whether the other universities will accept Help internal results. Furthermore, it will also depend on which years are relevant for their honours classifications, so i highly doubt it, though im not very adept with australian law programmes...
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does atc provided a 3+0 law programme without going overseas?? if got does both penang and kl campus have such programme??
cause my problem now is,
brickfield college prob-- stay plc, brick offer bad environment stay plc, and if private apartment, cost rm500 a room...
kdu-- the course fee is SO EXPENSIVE
MMU--clp not fully acredited......
atc--duno anything bout it.......

really hope tht guys can help me solve my dilemma..
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ATC do offer 3+0 UOL External programme. I think for ATC, alsree786 will give you the best answer for that.

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i really hope tht someone can provided me info bout atc... bout the fee, the cost of plc to stay, and does both campus offer 3+0 llb??
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QUOTE(zephur @ Apr 12 2008, 01:23 AM)
i really hope tht someone can provided me info bout atc... bout the fee, the cost of plc to stay, and does both campus offer 3+0 llb??
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you do know u can just give them a call right @ 03-2032 2727 for info like these

the fee for the UOL programme are about the same la for most of the colleges give or take maybe Rm1000 for the three years. Total cost for the programme, if taken in 3 years should not exceed RM40k (especially with the recent exchange rate changes in our favour against pounds)

im not sure about accomodation, im a KL boy...so never bothered to check!

yes both campuses offer the LLB, but this is based on an assumption, since they are primarily a Law school.



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QUOTE(zephur @ Apr 12 2008, 01:23 AM)
i really hope tht someone can provided me info bout atc... bout the fee, the cost of plc to stay, and does both campus offer 3+0 llb??
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Fee for A level
Penang campus : 7k+
KL campus : 9k +

Fee for LLB
Penang Campus : 30k+
KL Campus: Around 40K

(cost) Penang plc to stay : rm250(at most)
(cost) KL plc to stay :rm250(at least)unless u share...

Both offering 3+0
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Hey guys, i need to ask something here to... i just finished a lvls in BAC with 2As and 1B, one thing i need to ask is whether or not i could actually apply for a place in UM instead coz i know A lvls isn't recognisable by local unis...

As for LLB
Still i have not decided which college to go since some have said ATC have better reputation for LLB (but i heard a lot of lecturers and students left?).. Mentari seems a little small and one of my friend who took a lvl there shifted to BAC... Nirwana is closing? (last i heard)... the thing is recently BAC produced one guy i know to go to King's College... of coz he himself is pretty smart already... BAC seems to be growing towards a better result? and also i am not very sure about taking LLB since some transfer programmes seems a little more appealing (as in giving more of a campus life)(expensive though)... CLP may also be hell... so i have thought of going for ICSA instead... Any suggestion guys?
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can start in ATC, and do the first 2 yrs there. go to mentari for revision if u wan some xtra notes frm the lecturer there.

heard many ppl go there for jurisprudence, company, intelectual property for part 2.

then go bak and graduate w ATC.

this is the 'best of both worlds' plan. u get sumthing more frm the average crowd in ATC in terms of material input, whilst still be able to grad w the premeir private law skool msia -- ATC. without having to let anyone in ur life noe that u ever studied in mentari, but still manage to get the essence frm there.

Some points to note if study in ATC.

1) they are too good in selling.
many of times the statistics shown are not the real stats. the failure rate is way higher than wat was perceived in the advertisements
2) too many cooks spoil the soup
too many lecturers teaching on one subject matter. the more maybe the merrier but not in this case. in the end, when subjects like trust or jurisprudence wic involves a lot of framings come into places, u get too many frames frm too many diff lecturers. thats how the maj flunk their 2 most difficult subjects for the respective yrs. also, if u are a blamer, who are u gonna blame if they indirectly contributed to ur failure? at least in nirwana for trust, its MuLAri fo sure.
3) a foolproof syst is indeed a fool's improve system.
ATC market and express in such a way that failing is difficult and if u stay w them, u will just follow the flow and beocme one of their success story in no time. but in reality, its just a syst keep on insisting on improving the fools who believe in it. if u r working in it, perhaps u will noe how much income they gain for repeating students, who tries to improve themselves. go to class every yr and fail every yr. doint the same thing in hope of a diff result.
some of the 'mature students' there aren't exactly mature students when they came to ATC. they turn into one after yrs of brewing in ATC.
4) newbies lecturer
The only way that ATC could run such big volume on cheap labour costs is to hire newbies. means student who graduated last yr can teach alsmot the many classes this yr. cos its cheap to do so. the first yr wudnt noe. some of the part1 wud noe but they say its a norm, and they are 2 yrs my senior anyway so they'd better be good. the part 2 will dislike and complain but eventually after 4 months and exams nearer they gave up complaining and just change to the part 1 mindset.


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I'm also from BAC.
Most probably will be sticking to it for my final year of LLB.

Ms.Eunice teaching Tort has a LLM.
Ms.Chanteney teaching Business Studies has a MBA and PhD if i'm not mistaken.
There r a few PhD holders also which i can't really remember eg.Dr.Anand
Ms.Puvanes is DAMN good and if i'm not mistaken, she's from ATC. She taught me Criminal and Trust tutorials before.


Btw, Murali is in Mentari the last i've heard.
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QUOTE(Xziled @ Aug 21 2008, 01:34 AM)
I'm also from BAC.
Most probably will be sticking to it for my final year of LLB.

Ms.Eunice teaching Tort has a LLM.
Ms.Chanteney teaching Business Studies has a MBA and PhD if i'm not mistaken.
There r a few PhD holders also which i can't really remember eg.Dr.Anand
Ms.Puvanes is DAMN good and if i'm not mistaken, she's from ATC. She taught me Criminal and Trust tutorials before.
Btw, Murali is in Mentari the last i've heard.
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murali is in mentari...really? shocking.gif
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QUOTE(alsree786 @ Aug 21 2008, 05:13 AM)
murali is in mentari...really?  shocking.gif
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when he left Nirwana, he went to do a lil trick w BAC on revision, temporary basis.

But frm wat seem to be, BAC will not get him for permanent, for certain reasons already known to many.


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QUOTE(cfwhy @ Aug 13 2008, 02:33 PM)
Hey guys, i need to ask something here to... i just finished a lvls in BAC with 2As and 1B, one thing i need to ask is whether or not i could actually apply for a place in UM instead coz i know A lvls isn't recognisable by local unis...

As for LLB
Still i have not decided which college to go since some have said ATC have better reputation for LLB (but i heard a lot of lecturers and students left?).. Mentari seems a little small and one of my friend who took a lvl there shifted to BAC... Nirwana is closing? (last i heard)... the thing is recently BAC produced one guy i know to go to King's College... of coz he himself is pretty smart already...   BAC seems to be growing towards a better result? and also i am not very sure about taking LLB since some transfer programmes seems a little more appealing (as in giving more of a campus life)(expensive though)... CLP may also be hell... so i have thought of going for ICSA instead... Any suggestion guys?
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cfwhy...

LLB UOL is really do able. and ur scores are good. screw the IPTAs, wats campus life? so many of them had it and came out jobless. none of the UOL peeps has this unemployed prob. u wan campus life or working life?

read the original law of LLB, and the best way to do it in malaysia is UOL ext syst.

And for that u do, u dun have a campus life, but u have a social life, and u will have a working life. not a jobless life wanting to work.

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QUOTE(zohan @ Aug 21 2008, 11:45 AM)
mentari will never accept MK.

he was never there and will never be there.

when he left Nirwana, he went to do a lil trick w BAC on revision, temporary basis.

But frm wat seem to be, BAC will not get him for permanent, for certain reasons already known to many.
i've never seen him at BAC at all..where u get ur info?
there's no revision materials from him either
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i've never seen him at BAC at all..where u get ur info?
there's no revision materials from him either
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do u noe how he looks like?

a fren of mine went to BAC for CLP, harcharan Singh told him. u noe harcharan?
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Duh..
i've never seen him there and of course i've never step foot in the college for so long since after exams..
And i'm not a CLP student yet of course i dunno who is that.
He taught before in ATC isn't it then he went and started Nirwana
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QUOTE(Xziled @ Aug 22 2008, 12:14 AM)
Duh..
i've never seen him there and of course i've never step foot in the college for so long since after exams..
And i'm not a CLP student yet of course i dunno who is that.
He taught before in ATC isn't it then he went and started Nirwana
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harcharan Singh is the General manager of BAC. he may be active in CLP but he is certainly dominant in BAC as a whole. maybe as a student, what you say is effortless la cos u r the customer? or Perhaps the GM gave out wrong info as compared to ur 'never step foot' arguments. but if wat HS say is wrong, then he can be sued. But if wat u say is wrong, its ok, cos customer is awis right smile.gif even if u r fundamentally flawed.



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QUOTE(zohan @ Aug 22 2008, 05:12 AM)
harcharan Singh is the General manager of BAC. he may be active in CLP but he is certainly dominant in BAC as a whole. maybe as a student, what you say is effortless la cos u r the customer? or Perhaps the GM gave out wrong info as compared to ur 'never step foot' arguments. but if wat HS say is wrong, then he can be sued. But if wat u say is wrong, its ok, cos customer is awis right smile.gif even if u r fundamentally flawed.

but i dun think this is a big issue to keep pin pointing about. MK x matters now. yea he taught for 16 yrs in ATC. and started and ended a detached law dept/career in Nirwana in the duration of 2 yrs. that's close to 18 yrs teaching in higher institute, still consider impressive.?
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o_O now i'm really getting confused to what u r saying in ur 1st paragraph..i've been there since a'lvls and i didn't know he's the GM there whilst i'm pretty sure that i know who is the CEO,COO,principal and obviously the one who owns the college.

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QUOTE(Xziled @ Aug 22 2008, 02:12 PM)
o_O now i'm really getting confused to what u r saying in ur 1st paragraph..i've been there since a'lvls and i didn't know he's the GM there whilst i'm pretty sure that i know who is the CEO,COO,principal and obviously the one who owns the college.
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since u r there, why not just go and check it out if he is the GM? and ask him the same questions if u really have to noe.
it seems that whether MK was there or not, is not a concern for me.

I just dun get it why u have this obsession to have to find out where he is. not like he is even a great lecturer to begin with.

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QUOTE(zohan @ Aug 22 2008, 06:28 PM)
since u r there, why not just go and check it out if he is the GM? and ask him the same questions if u really have to noe.
it seems that whether MK was there or not, is not a concern for me. But let me tell u this, who ever told u mentari had/ve MK, is wrong.

I just dun get it why u have this obsession to have to find out where he is. not like he is even a great lecturer to begin with.
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well, i will when my intake starts (:
it doesn't concern me either because i just said i heard from a friend only.
well i didn't start this wub.gif
peace out~ icon_rolleyes.gif
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wow... when i google ATC, these sites showed up..

maybe its not fully in operation yet, but its good to let everyone noe...

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500 meters away from BAC is Methodist College KL, next to Tun Sambanthan station. This year, 20% of their A Levels students obtained 4As and a further 13% got 3As. That means 1/3 of students got 3As or more. Impressive because none are JPA scholars to start off with, unlike other colleges.

And fees are generally cheaper partly because they are still part of the Methodist church. I heard they come down hard on those students who are lazy.

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hey guys,if i plan to do LLB but at last i fail my CLP.wat can i do?can i do any job o jus the job related to legal?????
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hey guys,if i plan to do LLB but at last i fail my CLP.wat can i do?can i do any job o jus the job related to legal?????
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u can keep repeating ur CLP until eventually u pass, of cos within the given time frame and attempts,
or choose to do ICSA.

u can also work as a lecturer of law, work in Intelectual property field, work in trust and securities, join the police, be a politician (preferbably w additional LLM), work in bank/insurance corp, or any corp, esp if u have good results.

u can do many things and not just legal related.

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icon_question.gif IS MR EK TAN FROM MENTARI IS FROM ATC /???????


quote=junelee,Aug 19 2007, 11:56 AM]
Hi everyone. Im also contemplating to be a legal eagle. I actually went around asking current and ex-students of various places which offer law degree courses.

First thing i hear is that UOL external LLB is the most difficult and highest standard of the law degrees you can get in this region. Forget about UM, UiTm or UIA. there is only 1 or 2 first classes for UOL every year. and they are HARD. (or at least that was what i was told, even by practicing lawyers which actually prefers external students over internal students).

For UOL external LLB, places around KL which provide courses for them are ATC, Brickfields, Mentari School of Law, KDU and Nirwana. Erm, out of the 5, KDU only has about less than 10 students per batch and Nirwana has about 20 or so for the whole course. or that was what I was told. So, maybe a bit lonely la if i go thr.

ATC has the biggest crowd, due to their long standing reputation. but i also heard that last year, quite a number of lecturers actually left. So like sophie said, sounds like there's some problem. but i dont know la.
From what I gather, some lecturers went to Nirwana while some to Mentari. But I got to know that the head lecturer for Jurisprudence went to Mentari la. and from what i could gather, all first class graduates actually scored an A for jurisprudence. i actually got acquainted with the last first class from malaysia for UOL la and she is teaching in Mentari. she told me that to get a first class, must get A for jurisprudence and she credited her A to this Jurisprudence guy.

For Brickfields, they never appealed to me la. they got huge CLP course la but i never hear any great results from their LLB course. but they are the most convenient place i guess, cos they are near to KL sentral.

Im also in a dillemma now. but i guess the key choices for me are actually mentari, atc and brickfields, tho i think i ll look into their results to make a choice la. but i think mentari seems not bad la, cos my friend is studying there and she says lecturers there are always willing to help. waiting for each of their open days to check em out.
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yea Mr tan was in ATC, likely he was the head of law.. when the times ATC is invincible.
and he may be the Best for Jurisprudence.



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QUOTE(zohan @ Aug 25 2008, 04:57 PM)
yea Mr tan was in ATC, likely he was the head of law.. when the times ATC is invincible.
and he may be the Best for Jurisprudence.
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speaking of lecturers in atc, Mr Patrick Samuel from penang branch return to KL campus already...
He will be teaching ELS, public law and CLR if not mistaken.....

for Penang branch, new lecturer, Mr Mark Tan is hired.... laugh.gif
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Yes Mr. Tan in Mentari was from ATC (Used to be Head of LLB there) and yes, he is the best for Jurisprudence. Or at least if you compare to freshies with a B and a C in ATC.

On a side note, I like Zohan. His news are comparatively accurate and he knows that the so-called 'big guns' are sometimes actually just relying heavily on their superb marketing abilities and the occassional 'Star students' which appears mainly from the sheer bulk of their students.

That said, this is my (personal) opinion on choices for UOL External LLB:

ATC:
Pro: A more decent campus life than the others (Clubs, Moot Competitions and etc). More students meaning more chicks and better social life. Very well-known. Frequently produce top students (First Class and Second Upper).
Con: Not-so-easy access to lecturers/tutors due to the sheer bulk. Too many lecturers (Like someone said earlier - too many cooks spoil the soup). A lot of freshies and some particularly unimpressive ones. A few top students do not mean that most are also top students.

BAC:
Pro: I don't really know except that it has a lot of scholarships available and it is as established as ATC is. The CLP thr is definitely more renowned. I am not sure if I can say the same for their LLB. I was informed (hopefully not erroneously) last year that the college (considering it's size) only produced 1 or 2 Second Uppers while ATC has 30 or so and Mentari has 5-6.
- The area there is very accessible tho. And there are good curry houses nearby.
Con: Besides the King Scholar, I cant seem to see if their academic performance is all that strong but correct if I am wrong 'cos after all I dont know many from there who did or are doing LLB. Most of them are pursuing the CLP there.

Mentari:
Pro: I have to say that it is more about exams than it is about campus life. With a small crowd, studying is conducive and the lecturers/tutors are more readily accessible. A popular place for part-timers and serious students (geeks). Academic performance has been interestingly well for a small place (where there is a substantial number of repeating students from other colleges) which has been able to produce results capable of challenging, if not dethroning, the 'big guns' by proportion.
Con: Not-so-much campus life. Not a popular place for the young ones who are more keen to chill and socialize. Still relatively new and not-so-well known to those who are outside of the legal education industry.

Nirwana:
Pro: No comment.
Con: Not-so-impressive reputation. Zohan has already put it in his 'Mulari' post. With MK gone, the attraction is being diminished.

KDU:
Pro: A lot of chicks. A big name. Cool.
Con: The UOL External seems more of a 'side-dish' to accompany the twinning LLB programmes (Oxford Brookes if I'm not mistaken). I was told by former students of poor academic performance but won't say so as I never studied there.

And that is my opinion. Of course, it could be bias or erroneous but it is my personal opinion based what I know, heard of or has been told. The best way to know is to go and attend their open days and see for yourself. Gather the background of those teaching and consult them to see if you like their voices (which should not be retarded or can cause insomniacs to go nitey-nite. Also, a good way of knowing the quality of the place is to consult the students who are or were studying there and see what they have to say about the place. Ask not 1 or 2 but 9 to 10 and you can roughly have a picture of how the place is like.

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Yes Mr. Tan in Mentari was from ATC (Used to be Head of LLB there) and yes, he is the best for Jurisprudence. Or at least if you compare to freshies with a B and a C in ATC.

On a side note, I like Zohan. His news are comparatively accurate and he knows that the so-called 'big guns' are sometimes actually just relying heavily on their superb marketing abilities and the occassional 'Star students' which appears mainly from the sheer bulk of their students.

That said, this is my (personal) opinion on choices for UOL External LLB:

ATC:
Pro: A more decent campus life than the others (Clubs, Moot Competitions and etc). More students meaning more chicks and better social life. Very well-known. Frequently produce top students (First Class and Second Upper).
Con: Not-so-easy access to lecturers/tutors due to the sheer bulk. Too many lecturers (Like someone said earlier - too many cooks spoil the soup). A lot of freshies and some particularly unimpressive ones. A few top students do not mean that most are also top students.

BAC:
Pro: I don't really know except that it has a lot of scholarships available and it is as established as ATC is. The CLP thr is definitely more renowned. I am not sure if I can say the same for their LLB. I was informed (hopefully not erroneously) last year that the college (considering it's size) only produced 1 or 2 Second Uppers while ATC has 30 or so and Mentari has 5-6.
- The area there is very accessible tho. And there are good curry houses nearby.
Con: Besides the King Scholar, I cant seem to see if their academic performance is all that strong but correct if I am wrong 'cos after all I dont know many from there who did or are doing LLB. Most of them are pursuing the CLP there.

Mentari:
Pro: I have to say that it is more about exams than it is about campus life. With a small crowd, studying is conducive and the lecturers/tutors are more readily accessible. A popular place for part-timers and serious students (geeks). Academic performance has been interestingly well for a small place (where there is a substantial number of repeating students from other colleges) which has been able to produce results capable of challenging, if not dethroning, the 'big guns' by proportion.
Con: Not-so-much campus life. Not a popular place for the young ones who are more keen to chill and socialize. Still relatively new and not-so-well known to those who are outside of the legal education industry.

Nirwana:
Pro: No comment.
Con: Not-so-impressive reputation. Zohan has already put it in his 'Mulari' post. With MK gone, the attraction is being diminished.

KDU:
Pro: A lot of chicks. A big name. Cool.
Con: The UOL External seems more of a 'side-dish' to accompany the twinning LLB programmes (Oxford Brookes if I'm not mistaken). I was told by former students of poor academic performance but won't say so as I never studied there.

And that is my opinion. Of course, it could be bias or erroneous but it is my personal opinion based what I know, heard of or has been told. The best way to know is to go and attend their open days and see for yourself. Gather the background of those teaching and consult them to see if you like their voices (which should not be retarded or can cause insomniacs to go nitey-nite. Also, a good way of knowing the quality of the place is to consult the students who are or were studying there and see what they have to say about the place. Ask not 1 or 2 but 9 to 10 and you can roughly have a picture of how the place is like.
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Lol...all about chicks huh?
But as I know, KDU in penang aint offering law after pre law course...so, anyone in penang shud take note of this as well... smile.gif

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Lol...all about chicks huh?
But as I know, KDU in penang aint offering law after pre law course...so, anyone in penang shud take note of this as well... smile.gif
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Can forget bout nirwana... My news frm Nirwana are largely from a tutor so i think can be relied. also, Thanks LLB for endorsing the accuracy of my posts.



i have heard of Mentari's stats stunning last yr... anyone here can update for us this yr? or the general performance of private law skols dis yr?

v have a 1st class in ATC here this yr, but like i said earlier, the few points showed u the place is not the sole contributor to its good results.

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QUOTE(zohan @ Aug 31 2008, 05:19 PM)
Can forget bout nirwana... My news frm Nirwana are largely from a tutor so i think can be relied. also, Thanks LLB for endorsing the accuracy of my posts.
i have heard of Mentari's stats stunning last yr... anyone here can update for us this yr? or the general performance of private law skols dis yr?

v have a 1st class in ATC here this yr, but like i said earlier, the few points showed u the place is not the sole contributor to its good results.
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no doubt,the environment and lecturers play a big part...but if u urself din put in effort, nver expect u can score well even if there are bunch of 1st class student.... smile.gif
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Erm....latest news

ATC got one out of 2 First class honour in the world....one from ATC and another one from a student studying in Pakistan.

While...

BAC got the king scholar this year....
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Once i get the full picture, I will update the stats for Brickfields, ATC and Mentari, Nirwana and if possible KDU. Now the news are still pouring for me. haha.

solstice is correct. 1st Class is individual. I know this year's 1st Class and some other previous UOL First Classes personally. They are freaks. Sorry. Its true, they are so damn disciplined and dedicated and of course, brilliant. (But its not like I am jealous 'cos I didn't get a First in my time =P).

No effort (or more correctly - PROPER effort) = no results. A lot of students just dont learn. haha.
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Hi,

To students who will be sitting for Part 2 Jurisprudence and Legal Theory in 2009, Dr. Siva Ananthan, founder of ATC Law School and Nirwana Institute will be conducting a special tutorial class thoughout the next semester for those who are looking to gain a better understanding of Jurisprudence. As you should know, this is a compulsory subject in Part 2 and is one of the subjects with the highest failing rates.

If you are interested in knowing more about this tutorial class,i.e, price, location etc. please send me a message with your contact details and I will call you to explain further. If you have inquiries on other subjects, please also message me and I will get back to you.

Email: doglover_kelly@yahoo.com
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QUOTE(doglover_kelly @ Sep 2 2008, 09:57 AM)
Hi,

To students who will be sitting for Part 2 Jurisprudence and Legal Theory in 2009, Dr. Siva Ananthan, founder of ATC Law School and Nirwana Institute will be conducting a special tutorial class thoughout the next semester for those who are looking to gain a better understanding of Jurisprudence. As you should know, this is a compulsory subject in Part 2 and is one of the subjects with the highest failing rates.

If you are interested in knowing more about this tutorial class,i.e, price, location etc. please send me a message with your contact details and I will call you to explain further. If you have inquiries on other subjects, please also message me and I will get back to you.

Email: doglover_kelly@yahoo.com
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Siva is not the most reliable person on earth.

The many earlier posts in this thread, already told us tat he is a con artist.
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QUOTE(liez @ Sep 1 2008, 10:27 PM)
Erm....latest news

ATC got one out of 2 First class honour in the world....one from ATC and another one from a student studying in Pakistan.

While...

BAC got the king scholar this year....
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Dear guys..
I don't have a A-level, but can i take up the LLB? and as the requirement for CLP is 2 credits in A-level, since i don't have it, means i can't practice as an avocate or solicitor, so what can i do with the LLb cert?

thanks.
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QUOTE(magnum @ Sep 3 2008, 10:53 PM)
Dear guys..
I don't have a A-level, but can i take up the LLB? and as the requirement for CLP is 2 credits in A-level, since i don't have it, means i can't practice as an avocate or solicitor, so what can i do with the LLb cert?

thanks.
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Q1:I don't have a A-level, but can i take up the LLB
Dun think so...U need at least 2 credits in a level to proceed to LLB...

Q2:what can i do with the LLb cert?(without clp)
U can be a lecturer, or work in law firm, etc but u juz cant work as a lawyer...
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what can i do in a Law firm if i'm not a lawyer? and i feel like it's wasted if i take LLB and not become a lawyer..;p
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QUOTE(magnum @ Sep 3 2008, 11:04 PM)
what can i do in a Law firm if i'm not a lawyer? and i feel like it's wasted if i take LLB and not become a lawyer..;p
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http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/715460/+80

this thread can help u a lot.... smile.gif

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15.0 Career prospect of being a law graduates

Practically anything under the sun as long as the qualification satisfies the requirements stated by the prospective employer.

Normally, law graduates tend to proceed to become advocates or solicitors whether locally or abroad. There are those who prefer to enter fields like banking, business, commercial and management sectors where legal knowledge is sought after.

As a law graduate, there is an option of sitting for the ICSA Examination with 12 papers exemption. ICSA is recognised as a general degree on its own by JPA.

Please refer to :-
http://www.maicsa.org.my/students_recognition.aspx
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thanks solstice. i'd read the thread, and it's really useful to me ...smile.gif
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QUOTE(magnum @ Sep 3 2008, 11:17 PM)
thanks solstice. i'd read the thread, and it's really useful to me ...smile.gif
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u can ask any question there...schizo can help out..... smile.gif
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if not mistaken, every year, there is a scholarship opened to students who are studying LLB under UOL to proceed their final 2 years in King's College....out of 13 scholarship offered in the last 13 years, ATC won 11....  smile.gif
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u r right. and yes, AtC may have won 11, and out of that 11, most if not all of it were won bfore 2006/07.

2006/2007 is also the year where MK started nirwana/windfield_school of law/ in nirwana, and mr Tan started mentari that year too.

perhaps ATC was once invincible. now not anymore.

I made mention the King Scholar is frm BAC, is bcos the paradigm is slowly shifting, or shifted?

i heard there are much less 2nd upper this yr in ATC. i cant be sure.

if this is true, no point getting one or 2 first class, but the majority standard drop. we all noe the one or 2 top scorer are brilliant genius (w or w/out atc) when the general majority are not.



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QUOTE(zohan @ Sep 3 2008, 11:29 PM)
u r right. and yes, AtC may have won 11, and out of that 11, most if not all of it were won bfore 2006/07.

2006/2007 is also the year where MK started nirwana/windfield_school of law/ in nirwana, and mr Tan started mentari that year too.

perhaps ATC was once invincible. now not anymore.

I made mention the King Scholar is frm BAC, is bcos the paradigm is slowly shifting, or shifted?

i heard there are much less 2nd upper this yr in ATC. i cant be sure.

if this is true, no point getting one or 2 first class, but the majority standard drop. we all noe the one or 2 top scorer are brilliant genius (w or w/out atc) when the general majority are not.

that's why, even a conartist like Siva can still survive w business. so thanks to dogloverkelly for posting some info.

i am not saying ppl wan siva, i am saying ppl still need him, at least some weak students in these colleges need him.
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i heard there is one 1st class out of the 2 mentioned....i mean this year...
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speaking of lecturers in atc, Mr Patrick Samuel from penang branch return to KL campus already...
He will be teaching ELS, public law and CLR if not mistaken.....

for Penang branch, new lecturer, Mr Mark Tan is hired.... laugh.gif
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what, he's no longer in pg?

damn.. i thought he's the coolest lecturer around (to me la) and i didnt have the chance to attend any of his class..

anyone here from atc penang?
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QUOTE(2kia @ Sep 4 2008, 12:56 AM)
what, he's no longer in pg?

damn.. i thought he's the coolest lecturer around (to me la) and i didnt have the chance to attend any of his class..

anyone here from atc penang?
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me`....who else i wonder... laugh.gif
ms vaani rox!

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Once i get the full picture, I will update the stats for Brickfields, ATC and Mentari, Nirwana and if possible KDU. Now the news are still pouring for me. haha.

solstice is correct. 1st Class is individual. I know this year's 1st Class and some other previous UOL First Classes personally. They are freaks. Sorry. Its true, they are so damn disciplined and dedicated and of course, brilliant. (But its not like I am jealous 'cos I didn't get a First in my time =P).

No effort (or more correctly - PROPER effort) = no results. A lot of students just dont learn. haha.
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lol...This year's first class got 4 As and 4 B+ ya know???

2As and 2 B+s in the part 1 and another 2As and 2 B+s in part 2.....Freak??? Well...I would said....She is discipline. I saw her once (dat time I still dun really know her) At the time I was going to college with bus and I sat beside....Somewhere near Central market. I am holding my violin scores....and I saw a girl sitting beside me holding a legal judgement report...I asked whether she is from ATC....She gave a positive answer and from there I knew her name and well see??? There's a first class student taking bus to her college everyday....tried memorising every single words even in a bus which is shaking like hell all the time.


QUOTE(magnum @ Sep 3 2008, 10:53 PM)
Dear guys..
I don't have a A-level, but can i take up the LLB? and as the requirement for CLP is 2 credits in A-level, since i don't have it, means i can't practice as an avocate or solicitor, so what can i do with the LLb cert?

thanks.
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yes...You can take LLB even without A-levels....you can entered it with STPM ...and one of my friend suceed it with UEC....You can tried to register with any Pre-U and see whether they allowed anot.

QUOTE(zohan @ Sep 3 2008, 11:29 PM)
u r right. and yes, AtC may have won 11, and out of that 11, most if not all of it were won bfore 2006/07.

2006/2007 is also the year where MK started nirwana/windfield_school of law/ in nirwana, and mr Tan started mentari that year too.

perhaps ATC was once invincible. now not anymore.

I made mention the King Scholar is frm BAC, is bcos the paradigm is slowly shifting, or shifted?

i heard there are much less 2nd upper this yr in ATC. i cant be sure.

if this is true, no point getting one or 2 first class, but the majority standard drop. we all noe the one or 2 top scorer are brilliant genius (w or w/out atc) when the general majority are not.
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Well....Still difference between numbers of student who got 2nd class upper in BAC or any other college compare with ATC is a 2 digits, dude. This is year has more than 10 I guessed and BAC has 1 or 2 only rite???or none if I am not wrong .....unfortunately..... Rebecca who is my previous classmate got 2 As in ATC got beaten by this year's king scholar who only has one As....So I guessed we should learnt a lesson here....is not about how flying colours your results are but the effort you put into every single papers.
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QUOTE(liez @ Sep 10 2008, 10:02 AM)
lol...This year's first class got 4 As and 4 B+ ya know???

2As and 2 B+s in the part 1 and another 2As and 2 B+s in part 2.....Freak??? Well...I would said....She is discipline. I saw her once (dat time I still dun really know her) At the time I was going to college with bus and I sat beside....Somewhere near Central market. I am holding my violin scores....and I saw a girl sitting beside me holding a legal judgement report...I asked whether she is from ATC....She gave a positive answer and from there I knew her name and well see??? There's a first class student taking bus to her college everyday....tried memorising every single words even in a bus which is shaking like hell all the time.
yes...You can take LLB even without A-levels....you can entered it with STPM ...and one of my friend suceed it with UEC....You can tried to register with any Pre-U and see whether they allowed anot.
Well....Still difference between numbers of student who got 2nd class upper in BAC or any other college compare with ATC is a 2 digits, dude. This is year has more than 10 I guessed and BAC has 1 or 2 only rite???or none if I am not wrong .....unfortunately..... Rebecca who is my previous classmate got 2 As in ATC got beaten by this year's king scholar who only has one As....So I guessed we should learnt a lesson here....is not about how flying colours your results are but the effort you put into every single papers.
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thanks. Good to noe the stats. pls update, anyone with more detail/accurate sources

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I heard some info from my friend in which people who didnt sit for A-level in Law cannot practise in the future.
So, it would be a bad news for those STPM student who already sign up for their LLB, isnt it ?

Correct me if im wrong because this info comes from one of my friend's father (Practised Lawyer)



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thanks. Good to noe the stats. pls update, anyone with more detail/accurate sources
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ATC got 19 2nd class upper...sry....

QUOTE(Perfect-Stranger @ Sep 12 2008, 04:20 PM)
I heard some info from my friend in which people who didnt sit for A-level in Law cannot practise in the future.
So, it would be a bad news for those STPM student who already sign up for their LLB, isnt it ?

Correct me if im wrong because this info comes from one of my friend's father (Practised Lawyer)
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ATC got 19 2nd class upper...sry....

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just 11 for KL campus?


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ATC got 19 2nd class upper...sry....

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just 11 for KL campus?

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hey. can someone enligthen me about ATC's and BAC's fee structure?
im currently taking SPM this year. thinking of taking A lvls at either ATC or BAC nxt yr. which should i go for? are there scholarships available for ATC and BAC's a lvls? thanks in advance.
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QUOTE(Sarah0925 @ Sep 16 2008, 09:33 PM)
hey. can someone enligthen me about ATC's and BAC's fee structure?
im currently taking SPM this year. thinking of taking A lvls at either ATC or BAC nxt yr. which should i go for? are there scholarships available for ATC and BAC's a lvls? thanks in advance.
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Well for alvls in ATC if my memory serves me correctly .. it is less than 10k for its tuition fees which can be waived if you get good results in your spm as they do provide scholarship either full or partial, however in any event, the exam fees payable to cambridge is not included thus you'll have to fork out roughly rm2.4k if you decide to split the exams into AS and A2. It is cheaper if you decide not to split the exam into 2 parts. As for BAC I have no idea biggrin.gif but I do know that they give scholarships based on merit which i assume is similar to atc? not sure though.

I can't really tell you which one is better for a levels as I have no idea how BAC faired in the previous exam .. so you'll have to do more research on your own. Though I could probably answer some of your questions about atc if you have any biggrin.gif
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oh, so if i split it into AS and A2, the fee would be like ard 10k+2.4k la? what if i dont split it? how much will it cost? and what's the difference of splitting it and not splitting it? hm, i guess u're frm ATC? =) how's the results for a lvls, campus life and overall like in ATC? lecturer wise? thanks a lot =)
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QUOTE(Sarah0925 @ Sep 17 2008, 10:00 PM)
oh, so if i split it into AS and A2, the fee would be like ard 10k+2.4k la? what if i dont split it? how much will it cost? and what's the difference of splitting it and not splitting it? hm, i guess u're frm ATC? =) how's the results for a lvls, campus life and overall like in ATC? lecturer wise? thanks a lot =)
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Haha yup I'm an atc student XD

Anyway if you decide to split it into 2 parts you'll take the exams at different times, let say you enter the january intake. This means your exam would be in oct/nov, you can take both parts together .. or take your AS first and then take A2 in may/june the following year. The difference in fees would only be around rm200 if you decide not to split. That being said if you don't split you'll learn both of the syllabus at the same time, whereas if you do split you would learn AS first, take the exam and then proceed to A2.

Note though I am replying based on past experience, the management could have made some changes so it's best you give them a ring to ask biggrin.gif

Overall results for the past sitting of a levels? Let's see there were 2 people who scored 3As and 2 people who scored 2A and 1B. As for campus life, don't really expect too much since it;s just a building XD but there are quite a number of clubs and extra curricular activities you can involve yourself in. Lastly the lecturers.. it's important to note that all lecturers have their own style so if you arent use to it, it could be kind of hard to adapt. Though I didn't find much problems with them during my intake, they were willing to help when needed .. or maybe i just got lucky and landed the good lecturers XD


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hm, k, another question, which year of uni are you in now? is the law course difficult to study? cuz i've heard tht it's quite tough and lotsof things to memorize. is tht so? like studying sejarah?
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QUOTE(Sarah0925 @ Sep 18 2008, 10:41 PM)
hm, k, another question, which year of uni are you in now? is the law course difficult to study? cuz i've heard tht it's quite tough and lotsof things to memorize. is tht so? like studying sejarah?
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it's not only memorizing..that's the least of ur worries. Cases some u have to esp. main/classic cases..as for statutes, u r allowed to bring the statute book in except for some subjects eg. Tort,CLR etc .
U must also understand and also be able to relate the concepts and also how to apply the law. not only recite the case and what was held..something like critical analysis to get good grades.

Question on whether it is hard to study or not..it varies from individual. Some may be passionate abt law and some r just doing it for the sake of maybe their parents etc. Other fields r as difficult as law so u can't draw a comparison like that. I can't tell u so much of how it would be after u graduate and practise as a lawyer since i'm also still an undergraduate in my final year now.
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i was wondering, what are online Law journals for??

and i am doing Contract, Commercial and Company this year.
do we really have to use the Latest edition of the Statutes? as in the 2008-2009 ones?

and, i realise in some lectures, lecturers only talk about cases briefly..
where can read more about cases on the internet?

this is my first time doing law subjects and i would really appreciate if u guys could enlighten me!


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QUOTE(sbux @ Sep 22 2008, 04:50 AM)
i was wondering, what are online Law journals for??

and i am doing Contract, Commercial and Company this year.
do we really have to use the Latest edition of the Statutes? as in the 2008-2009 ones?

and, i realise in some lectures, lecturers only talk about cases briefly..
where can read more about cases on the internet?

this is my first time doing law subjects and i would really appreciate if u guys could enlighten me!
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law journals are a good source of latest information/developments in the law incl progress of any particular reforms and commentaries by academics on recent judicial decisions and introduced statutes. it serves as a good read (if related to whatever u need to know) as it may include lengthy articles/essays regarding particular topics.

you dont have to use the latest edition of statute books unless there has been a major statute enacted recently that will feature prominently in the exam. Depending on how old your statute book is, if there are minor changes here and there then it should be alrite if you know statutes well enough to identify a difference. Of course i would rec a new statute book, but if you still intend to use an old one, i rec it not to be more than a year old and check for any major developments

sorry, have to ask, are you doing a uk law deg?
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QUOTE(Perfect-Stranger @ Sep 12 2008, 04:20 PM)
I heard some info from my friend in which people who didnt sit for A-level in Law cannot practise in the future.
So, it would be a bad news for those STPM student who already sign up for their LLB, isnt it ?

Correct me if im wrong because this info comes from one of my friend's father (Practised Lawyer)
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Thats not true...

In fact, a friend of mine who took Maths, Accounts and Eng Lit managed to proceed to LLB...
Whether u take Law or not in A level...it doesnt matter

and for practicing law in future, all u need is 2 credits from ur a level....it need not be law subject as far as i know... smile.gif
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law journals are a good source of latest information/developments in the law incl progress of any particular reforms and commentaries by academics on recent judicial decisions and introduced statutes. it serves as a good read (if related to whatever u need to know) as it may include lengthy articles/essays regarding particular topics.

you dont have to use the latest edition of statute books unless there has been a major statute enacted recently that will feature prominently in the exam. Depending on how old your statute book is, if there are minor changes here and there then it should be alrite if you know statutes well enough to identify a difference. Of course i would rec a new statute book, but if you still intend to use an old one, i rec it not to be more than a year old and check for any major developments

sorry, have to ask, are you doing a uk law deg?


yeah.. doing UOL BSc Accounting with Law. have to take Contract. commercial and company.

any websites which i can read about the law cases like Salomon & Salomon, Carlill v. Carbolic smokeball?

i don't think reading from Wikipedia is a good idea... hmm... wink.gif wink.gif

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QUOTE(sbux @ Sep 23 2008, 03:21 AM)
yeah.. doing UOL BSc Accounting with Law. have to take Contract. commercial and company.

any websites which i can read about the law cases like Salomon & Salomon, Carlill v. Carbolic smokeball?

i don't think reading from Wikipedia is a good idea... hmm...  wink.gif  wink.gif
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you're not gonna get a good reference from the internet that's free. the only one i know that is reliable is lawteacher.net, which has an extensive database but is at times too lengthy. Once in a while Kzone (law) may come in handy.
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QUOTE(Sarah0925 @ Sep 18 2008, 10:41 PM)
hm, k, another question, which year of uni are you in now? is the law course difficult to study? cuz i've heard tht it's quite tough and lotsof things to memorize. is tht so? like studying sejarah?
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reading law isn't that difficult if you are willing to work for it. It actually depends on the individual..
if you hate reading, then i don't think you'll find it easy. At the end of the day, what matters is whether you have the drive to do well or not...

I found it slightly more difficult when i did my CLP. But for my LLB, it wasn't really that difficult...




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ooh. well i dont dislike reading, i love reading novels =) but my friend told me it'll be loads harder than memorizing sejarah facts is tht so?
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QUOTE(ymjay @ Sep 23 2008, 10:54 AM)
reading law isn't that difficult if you are willing to work for it. It actually depends on the individual..
if you hate reading, then i don't think you'll find it easy. At the end of the day, what matters is whether you have the drive to do well or not...

I found it slightly more difficult when i did my CLP. But for my LLB, it wasn't really that difficult...
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Im wondering why is it CLP will be more difficult than LLB ? You are saying the syllabus ? or the passing rate ?


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QUOTE(Sarah0925 @ Sep 23 2008, 04:48 PM)
ooh. well i dont dislike reading, i love reading novels =) but my friend told me it'll be loads harder than memorizing sejarah facts is tht so?
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Such a conflict . haha.
Well , it really depends on individuals . But , of course it gonna harder than sejarah . Sejarah just need the points but not evaluation and so forth . SeJArah's essays needs dont even a page but law need pages .


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QUOTE(Sarah0925 @ Sep 23 2008, 04:48 PM)
ooh. well i dont dislike reading, i love reading novels =) but my friend told me it'll be loads harder than memorizing sejarah facts is tht so?
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you don't dislike reading, and u love reading novels. that's good. so i reckon you don't mind readin depending on the subject matter. I personally hate(d?) reading, and have read two story books in the last 9 years (they were HP books thumbup.gif). before that i only read story books/novels for literature exams, everything else were text books. but im reading law books now and found an affinity for it (not all subjects tho). there is quite a bit to memorise, but it is only hard if you're forcing yourself to do so. if law is what you really want to do, then you should find it easier. Memorising facts is only one part of being a good law student. i personally find memorizing stuff for law easier than biology (hate science) or the basic management theories. know when to take what others say about something with a pinch of salt. hope that helps...

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QUOTE(Sarah0925 @ Sep 23 2008, 04:48 PM)
ooh. well i dont dislike reading, i love reading novels =) but my friend told me it'll be loads harder than memorizing sejarah facts is tht so?
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no doubt u have to memorize lots of cases...
but understanding comes 1st before memorizing...

if u cant even understand, no point memorizing it....

if u r trying to compare with sejarah, i think law is more interesting...not that dull =)
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UIA Law Degree program is one of the best too...
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QUOTE(jhong @ Sep 23 2008, 04:55 PM)
Im wondering why is it CLP will be more difficult than LLB ? You are saying the syllabus ? or the passing rate ?


Added on September 23, 2008, 5:01 pm

Such a conflict . haha.
Well , it really depends on individuals . But , of course it gonna harder than sejarah . Sejarah just need the points but not evaluation and so forth . SeJArah's essays needs dont even a page but law need pages .
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CLP is bulky... you have 5 papers which covers criminal procedure, civil procedure, tort ,contract, evidence, land, probate, bankruptcy and winding up, and ethics and advocacy.

not to mention the passing rate..


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UIA Law Degree program is one of the best too...
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Ahmad Ibrahim Kulliyyah of Laws?
I heard Mohammad Hashim Kamali is a professor in law over there.

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what's the difference between CLP and LLB can someone tell me?
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LLB is your degree. ( usually 3 years )
CLP is the exam you need to pass (after obtaining your law degree)in order to practice law (about a year)

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I'm back after a short break. hopefully zohan is still here with his juicy infos.

Anyway, I'll give my 2 sens worth by answering certain popular questions here or just filling in certain information.

1. First Classes and Second Uppers.
It is INDIVIDUAL. You can get the best preparation in the world and if you still can't get it yourself, you will continuously f*ck yourself in the exams in and out. It is not about 'special notes'. It is not about working hard ONLY. It is not about being taught by 'special tutors'. It is about yourself. The quality of a learning institution is its ability to make sure u are walking in the correct direction. That is why it is imperative that students choose and environment that suits their needs and not just crowd to a place where there is a first class honours grad.

Know your strengths and weaknesses. Are you a weak student that needs constant attention? If that is the case then you need to go to somewhere smaller and less crowded to get the full advantage of tutors. Are you a student that finds studying life should be as enjoyable as it is miserable? If you think you want a good undergraduate campus life, choose a big place with loads of students and activities to get the full benefits. Are you a student who has a problem staying in class? Go to a place which place emphasis on attendance.(Doubt it for UOL external LLB... when I was a student I barely attended anything).

I recall my Part I days. As I was a truant student, skiving is 2ndnature to me. But I did convince myself to attend the revision period for several selected subjects where the lecturers are not as boring as others. Then, there was only ATC. Everyone in that revision class (the whole of the KL LLB students) had the same materials and the same lecture notes and so on. Most were studious ones from Day 1. I only attended come revision. When the results came out, there were only 3 First Class marks and a small handful Second Upper marks for a particular subject which I attended. What happened to the rest ? If everyone got the same stuffs, or maybe even better stuffs, they should be getting First Class and Second Upper marks all the way. Instead, the failure rate for that subject was the highest that year. But they did not. I don't know about the other 2 First Class marks scorers or whether they did any extra reading but I know I just went in the exams with minimal preparation, just plain old understanding and some basic notes about important issues.

So my point again is... whether u make it to the upper echelons of academic achievement is a matter only for you to determine in the end.

2. CLP... the reality of it.

The CLP is a very bulky subject. That said, it is not EXTREMELY difficult or at least difficult in the way it was alleged to be. There are no skills to be tested. It is not a hectic course as you just need to attend classes and prepare your notes as well as memorize them. Why it is really difficult is because of the passing rate. And it is in my opinion that the reason for such issues is either political or monopolistic. The lack of transparency in the marking of the exam papers is a huge cause for concern and it only fuels my inclination to surmise what I did above. That said, it does teach you a lot about the procedural matters of Malaysian law which is invaluable to a future lawyer. And those who did the external UOL LLB has not much of a choice really. You gotta take it whether you like it or not if you want to practice in this country... unless you have the opportunity (read luxury) of going to a local Uni (Specified ones. UUM and some others not included I think) where upon graduation you can begin your pupillage.

Well you can do the BVC as an alternative. The BVC is by far a more challenging course where you are actually tested more on your skills of advocacy, conferencing, opinion writing, drafting and negotiations. These present a more practical feature to enhance your legal career in the future. The proposed CBC was meant to be tailored according to the BVC. In fact, many, if not all of the Commonwealth countries which has their own Bar Qualifying Exams formulated their Bar Course after the BVC. The problem with the BVC is MONEY. Not everyone can afford a year's worth of education in the UK. The passing rate is around 50% (Better than the CLP's 20% and those who failed know WHY they failed) but you cannot AFFORD to fail it. It is expensive. And of course, when you return to begin your pupillage you will have to learn about Malaysian procedural law which can be quite cumbersome on your own. Your pupil master is not likely to allow you to read them up on your own sweet time.

The worse part of the CLP is that although it was announced to be scrapped and replaced with the imminent CBC... that imminence seemed to have vapourised when our galiant de facto Minister of Law Datuk Zaid Ibrahim has resigned. (due to the highly oppressive and greatly draconian arrests of civilians under the ISA - which every law student know that such laws are not meant to be and is an insult to the rule of law or at least AV Dicey's version of it).

3. Law and Sejarah.

THEY ARE NOT CONNECTED AT ALL. History is about the understanding of human events in the past and what we can learn from them. From an external aspect, you learn of the events and how they play out. From an internal aspect, you study the possible reasons or happenings that might have triggered the occurence of the event. Sure both History and Law requires reading but then, EVERYTHING at undergraduate level requires reading. Even those numerically dominant Mathematics or Acturial Science Majors.

Law on the other hand is about understanding the rules that humans have lay down in order to govern themselves. Throughout the LLB, you will learn and understand the law from two perspective, internally and externally. Externally, you will learn the principles of the main areas of law such as criminal, contract, tort, land, evidence and so on. Internally, you will grasp the understanding of how such laws come about. For most law schools including the University of London, the study of Jurisprudence and Legal Theory in the final year is compulsory or very much encouraged and in this subject... you will learn to answer the one question that bothers all legal philosophers and jurists since time immemorial - What is the law?

Studying History requires a passionate and curious attitude. Studying law requires an analytical intellect. After all, a good lawyer is one that is able to manipulate the law to their advantage by spotting the shaky or controversial areas of the law (ie. loopholes in the law) and manouevre them accordingly.



There you have it, my 2 sens worth of nonsense.
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Hi LLB, good to see u!

CLP is much doable i think. look at BAC's results this yr! its the best ever! i am willing to buy in this marketing advertisement already!

I got frm newspaper:
Highest ever no of 2.1 frm BAC this yr.
best student Tham LV frm BAC
10/11 2.1
75/94 2.2
246/307 passes

... and no i am not posting anymore juicy infos, has anyone realise the posts got deleted?
plus, most ppl are ignorant and only want to believe in the things that they happened to believe.



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as usual, bac proves that its the best law school for the CLP exams
thank god i made the right choice
despite all the pulling and calling from ATC
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QUOTE(ymjay @ Sep 24 2008, 08:37 PM)
LLB is your degree. ( usually 3 years )
CLP is the exam you need to pass (after obtaining your law degree)in order to practice law (about a year)
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mm. so if i plan to read law, and then later on not become a lawyer but venture into business/banking field instead, do i hv to do CLP? or just LLB only will do?

and if im not wrong, im able to use the UEC cert to do LLB but can i later on do CLP without Alvls? meaning im having only UEC cert.

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QUOTE(Sarah0925 @ Sep 25 2008, 07:46 PM)
mm. so if i plan to read law, and then later on not become a lawyer but venture into business/banking field instead, do i hv to do CLP? or just LLB only will do?

and if im not wrong, im able to use the UEC cert to do LLB but can i later on do CLP without Alvls? meaning im having only UEC cert.
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If u do not want to practise then don't have to take CLP. With the LLB degree, u can be a legal adviser etc. but u cannot sign off as a lawyer.

what is a UEC cert.? sweat.gif
CLP requirements r that you have to have 5 credits from SPM, minimum 2 E's in your A'lvls or STPM equivalent and if u r taking UOL external must be at least minimum 2nd lower. UWE, a general pass will do if i'm not mistaken. Northumbria cannot practise at all.
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QUOTE(Xziled @ Sep 25 2008, 11:20 PM)
If u do not want to practise then don't have to take CLP. With the LLB degree, u can be a legal adviser etc. but u cannot sign off as a lawyer.

what is a UEC cert.? sweat.gif
CLP requirements r that you have to have 5 credits from SPM, minimum 2 E's in your A'lvls or STPM equivalent and if u r taking UOL external must be at least minimum 2nd lower. UWE, a general pass will do if i'm not mistaken. Northumbria cannot practise at all.
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aRE U SURE nOrthumbria cannot practice at all ?????
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QUOTE(Sarah0925 @ Sep 25 2008, 07:46 PM)
mm. so if i plan to read law, and then later on not become a lawyer but venture into business/banking field instead, do i hv to do CLP? or just LLB only will do?

and if im not wrong, im able to use the UEC cert to do LLB but can i later on do CLP without Alvls? meaning im having only UEC cert.
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no, u dun have to do clp if u r not planning to practice...but its always better if u do it since venturing into business field sometimes require a practiced lawyer...so, why not taking it?

As far from what I know, UEC can do LLB...But dun think is eligible for doing CLP though....If u dun wanna take CLP, so why so bother about it...


I might be wrong about the UEC things, but I remember my lecturer said can last time...


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aRE U SURE nOrthumbria cannot practice at all ?????
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That's what i heard. Because the ppl i know from last year Part 1 who didn't get either too good results or failed miserably opted to change to Northumbria course. Theirs is 25% assignment and the rest exams. I'll confirm this asap after i inquire them abt it.


Added on September 28, 2008, 1:18 amTo confirm the Northumbria thingi, i already asked and if u do it in M'sia u can't practice at all but if u do it in the UK means flying off there then u would be able to practice.

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Hi there...i came across that singapore doesn't recognise the LLB of University of London..is that true? and what about that twinning ones??..does singapore recognise LLB of University of West England or University of Cardiff or University of Wales, Aberyswyth?? smile.gif
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Hi there...i came across that singapore doesn't recognise the LLB of University of London..is that true? and what about that twinning ones??..does singapore recognise LLB of University of West England or University of Cardiff or University of Wales, Aberyswyth?? smile.gif
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Singapore legal qualifying board dont recognise eXTERNAL LLB , uK transfer or any twinning programme .
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QUOTE(jhong @ Sep 30 2008, 06:31 PM)
Singapore legal qualifying board dont recognise eXTERNAL LLB , uK transfer or any twinning programme .
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Only NUS if i m not mistaken...
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Only NUS if i m not mistaken...
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Not really , they recognise various universities in uk as long as you did it as an internal student.


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Not really , they recognise various universities in uk as long as you did it as an internal student.
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thanks for the info...all this while, i tot they only accept those from nus... tongue.gif
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thanks for the info...all this while, i tot they only accept those from nus...  tongue.gif
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What bout this?

http://www.lawsociety.org.sg/ble/n_first_schedule.htm
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Hey guys..I am new here...have been viewing this forum long time ago..but finally post my quest here..can I know the exactly amount of fees for degree course in ATC and BAC?
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it's no longer Kemayan ATC ler..just ATC if i'm not mistaken

the fees r below 10k ler..BAC around 5.5k-6k per year for tuition fees
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i said others. from what i hear, the law program at Uitm is very good. also, i'm a student at UIA in gombak. the lecturers here are one of, if not the best. almost all got one of their degrees from overseas. the onyl thing is u might get annoyed with the whole 'islamic' thingy tongue.gif
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Dude! How random of me to stumble on you here like this.. hehe... I was looking for interesting forums randomly.. see what's cracking.. then i see you smile.gif Question: are YOU annoyed with the whole "islamic thingy" ? icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(drrimshaker @ Dec 26 2008, 11:58 AM)
Dude! How random of me to stumble on you here like this.. hehe... I was looking for interesting forums randomly.. see what's cracking.. then i see you smile.gif Question: are YOU annoyed with the whole "islamic thingy" ?  icon_rolleyes.gif
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umm, dude, that post is 2 years old!!
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hi,

how about Stamford College?? good? because i'm staying in puchong area, so petaling will be nearer


Added on January 27, 2009, 1:51 ambtw we are still doing CLP right?


Added on January 29, 2009, 11:46 pmyo anyone?

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ehm, I guess it was by chance for me to got to this topic when I am finding information for transferring credits to UK.

Anyway, I am not in the position to comment about other colleges, but as a student from ATC, I wouldn't say it has the best environment for students (as in, it is more like a tuition life rather than uni life) but the lecturers there are helpful and experience. I read some posts in between saying they sent out junior lecturers to tutor. Well, who will not? I mean, you need to go through the same path to become an experience lecturer, Anyhow, you can always go to a more experience lecturer if you think that particular junior lecturer doesn't really explain much.

ATC has always been getting King's Scholarship for many many years. It was the first time Brickfields got theirs last year. My friend was 1 or 2 marks away from getting that scholarship. =/ Anyway, what I want to say is, try to get as much information as you can. Colleges/ Universities can always give you sweet talk/promise just to get you in. Make sure what you want to do before enrolling. Some unis are not doing External London program (ATC, brickfields and etc are) but local law. So make sure you note that.

Oh, and if you have the money, HELP institute is a very good choice. They provide practical trainings throughout the program as well. =]
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all i know, atc had a very good lecturer, ms sanjeetha, which left and is now teaching in mentari.
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how about HELP university college?
i am currently studying SAM and i think next year i wanna study law degree....still havent choose a college yet >.<"
do you all know that where can i get twinning program for major in law and minor in psychology?i will only go for overseas for 2 years maximum only and some people say major and minor mostly is at Australia...but i more prefered UK
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how about HELP university college?
i am currently studying SAM and i think next year i wanna study law degree....still havent choose a college yet >.<"
do you all know that where can i get twinning program for major in law and minor in psychology?i will only go for overseas for 2 years maximum only and some people say major and minor mostly is at Australia...but i more prefered UK
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there are no twinning programmes for a llb hons with psychology for uk. dunno bout australia though i doubt it. you will have to enrol to the uni directly
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Hey guys...

Exam coming soon...

How to study...u all here gila pro...share some law studying tips can ah?
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Hey guys...

Exam coming soon...

How to study...u all here gila pro...share some law studying tips can ah?
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stress gila rclxub.gif
all u can do now since nearing exams is go through the law 1 more time thoroughly if u haven't then start doing past year Qs. You'll get use to it when the questions r repetitive smile.gif

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Zzzzzzz..........gonna crash soon!

25 days and counting....

ARGH!!

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Zzzzzzz..........gonna crash soon!

25 days and counting....

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Zzzzzzz..........gonna crash soon!

25 days and counting....

ARGH!!

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yeah good luck to all for the coming exams. hope everyone's preparations are going well, and hope you all are in good health and spirits.

For those new to law, remember to always go back to the basics of the law whenever you stumble upon something you've never seen before. remember to argue based on the facts, and provide relevant answers to the questions before you. Remember to provide opinions and justifications where necessary. time management is key as well, and even the best of students have faltered with this...spend a reasonable amount of time reading the question, even though it may be an essay question of just a line. Idenfity what the examiner wants you to discuss. Most problem questions will involve an area of the law that is unclear (at times two or three areas). If you identify it, spend a good amount of time to discuss it, coz there is where your marks will be. Remember to keep to the ILAC rule, (intro, law, application and conclusion), though the flow and structure to your answers are your own. though certian topics will allow you to come into the exam with a generalised introduction and even a conclusion, remember that it is important that you address the question at hand. Don't conclude an essay based on a general opinion of yours, but it should be one that addresses the question or issue at hand more specifically. Keep your statute book close if u are allowed one in, though for inter/first year, you probably won't need it as much. Nevertheless, highlight (if you are allowed to) key passages. I have witnessed a number of students who have cheated or broken rules in the UOL LLB exams before, i do hope you all here are honest students. Keep to the rules. Good luck!


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well, I believe a lot here are actual LLB students. I'm a part timer and this is my 3rd year exams. I'm on Scheme B anyway, anyone sat for Family Law this morning? Tot it was crap and hopefully what I did is enough for me to get thru. Land law next on the 2nd of June.
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I'm doing A-level in ATC currently, I don't know whether BAC or ATC is better, but during your study you have to read more write more, college is not like secondary school.
ATC has provide a revision planner for every subjects, it's quite useful.
Actually I don't like London external programme, because it's 100% examination marks, if you fail, you have to wait until next year, the main point is malaysia only allow UoL external programme who pass the LL.B with at least second lower honor degree can take CLP, if people get a third class, his lawyer life gone.
I would recomment people who interested to be a lawyer in malaysia, but not enough confident's people to join uk degree transfer programme, even you get a third class, you also can take CLP, as long as you are graduated from UK, but the fees are quite expensive, one year about RM150k.
after my course i will consider to join uk degree transfer, i cant stand with 100% examination marks and wait a long time to re-take.
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two year in wales aberystwyth 150k lolx not one year..
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Ahmad Ibrahim Kulliyyah of Laws?
I heard Mohammad Hashim Kamali is a professor in law over there.
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Dude! How random of me to stumble on you here like this.. hehe... I was looking for interesting forums randomly.. see what's cracking.. then i see you smile.gif Question: are YOU annoyed with the whole "islamic thingy" ?  icon_rolleyes.gif
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i think what hes referring to *islamic thingy* is not bout the ethic or regulation of life there.its more on the courses itself.its quite a burden for u to hold on laws subject + islamic subject (which included in gpa as well) .cmpare to other ipta/ipts they wouldnt provide those subjects. It nver wrong to learn added subject but the burden of islamic courses added in cgpa list makes student really pain in d ass i believe . smile.gif


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QUOTE(Legal_Eagle @ Nov 30 2006, 04:03 PM)
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i totally agree

Brickfields (BAC) has a bunch of very dedicated lecturers. i guess those who really wanna pass their law degree should be happy to hear that. im currently studying there.   biggrin.gif
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hey can Im a law student from MMU, isit studying in BAC can ensure da passing marks or percentage in CLP? Because Im currently thinking to send my siblings to study da UK transfer degree there. Any advise?? Heard that da Bac. of Jurisprudence programe offered at BAC has been taken out.


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thanks for the info...all this while, i tot they only accept those from nus...  tongue.gif
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Halo!! juzt simply drop by n wana know more about da BAC uk law transfer degree program n LLB offered there. isit recognised by da BAR COUNCIL?? with further on to CLP too?

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QUOTE(Jessica Allison @ Oct 1 2009, 12:42 AM)
hey can Im a law student from MMU, isit studying in BAC can ensure da passing marks or percentage in CLP? Because Im currently thinking to send my siblings to study da UK transfer degree there. Any advise?? Heard that da Bac. of Jurisprudence programe offered at BAC has been taken out.


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Halo!! juzt simply drop by n wana know more about da BAC uk law transfer degree program n LLB offered there. isit recognised by da BAR COUNCIL?? with further on to CLP too?
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as mentioned before by my learned friends, probably in other threads as well, recognition of qualifications is by the Legal Profession Qualifying Board, not the BAR Council.

BAC can't ensure passing marks or anything of the sort. No college can. They do have a few good lecturers, tho i think if you're considering the DTP, for pure quality and more options, consider HELP as well.

The llb awarded by the affiliated unis of BAC via the DTP are indeed recognised along with the London Ext llb prog offered there. Provided you meet the minimum requirements, you will then be allowed to enrol for the CLP.
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as mentioned before by my learned friends, probably in other threads as well, recognition of qualifications is by the Legal Profession Qualifying Board, not the BAR Council.

BAC can't ensure passing marks or anything of the sort. No college can. They do have a few good lecturers, tho i think if you're considering the DTP, for pure quality and more options, consider HELP as well.

The llb awarded by the affiliated unis of BAC via the DTP are indeed recognised along with the London Ext llb prog offered there. Provided you meet the minimum requirements, you will then be allowed to enrol for the CLP.
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True. There's no such as thing as a college guaranteeing a pass for you. To be honest, in the later parts of this External program and CLP ,there will be alot of issues that YOU need to give your own opinions about. You need to be a thinking student to do well here and if youre looking for a college to ensure your passing and thats it,then thats bad news for you..
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so brickfields asia is actually good?
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so brickfields asia is actually good?
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yes they are pretty alrite. enrol at the college where you are most comfortable and ask around as much as possible. Whether a college is good or not is subjective/relative....
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Anyway..I wanna ask this..

any colleges offers twinning program for a law degree to Australia Univesities?

anywhere will do...I just need it..pls..and thanks
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Kdu college ,there is twinning for a law degree to uniTAS...Its in Tasmania at AUST

Why dun you all try HELP Uni? I did my law degree from there icon_rolleyes.gif ...Lecturers and their tutorial are efficient to make me do well in my exam..But,i think lecturers place a minor effect on our studies..Its actually our own self to determine and do well..Lecturers maybe good but a student who still does not study will still ended up failing!!..

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come on bac is still the best ...look what they achieved
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come on bac is still the best ...look what they achieved
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and what have they achieved to make them the best? there is no "best"....
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and what have they achieved to make them the best? there is no "best"....
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i'd say Faculty of Law UM is the best law school in Malaysia.
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what's the difference between ATC (in KL) and Kemayan ATC?
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what's the difference between ATC (in KL) and Kemayan ATC?
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It seems like ATC is really good. My friends told me that ATC is not good and suggested me to Taylor. They said ATC is very small and not famous. But after doing research, it's not like what they said and they are such exaggeration!

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Just wanted to share what I know. I was at ATC yesterday for a brief talk about their A-Levels and LLB program, from what I can tell is that the lecturers seem pretty good. The only thing that I can say isn't that good is the location and campus. Campus seemed small, so for those who are looking for the "college life" experience, I doubt you'll get it there. And parking is such a hassle.
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Just wanted to share what I know. I was at ATC yesterday for a brief talk about their A-Levels and LLB program, from what I can tell is that the lecturers seem pretty good. The only thing that I can say isn't that good is the location and campus. Campus seemed small, so for those who are looking for the "college life" experience, I doubt you'll get it there. And parking is such a hassle.
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Parking a hassle? Hmmm...I've never had parking problems in my 3 1/2 years studying in that AREA. Compared to HELP Law faculty, ATC's area has great parking...

...(only thing is the cost which gets to me sometimes...but what to do)

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I think ATC is pretty good.
Taylors' are quite good apparently.


Added on January 17, 2010, 9:46 pmIs Stamford university a private University of Malaysia?



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Parking a hassle? Hmmm...I've never had parking problems in my 3 1/2 years studying in that AREA. Compared to HELP Law faculty, ATC's area has great parking...

...(only thing is the cost which gets to me sometimes...but what to do)
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Haha, my bad then. Went there in the afternoon, parked at the car park opposite the building, kinda expensive. RM14.
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Haha, my bad then. Went there in the afternoon, parked at the car park opposite the building, kinda expensive. RM14.
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Huh? shocking.gif

I do hope this is ATC KL we're speaking of. The car parks there usually have a maximum, the most being RM6.50 a day. There are three car parks directly opposite ATC. Other good areas to park are UO and some park at the stadium i believe and walk. You can also park your car along the main road where there are allotted lots tho i dunno how much that costs...
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Huh?  shocking.gif

I do hope this is ATC KL we're speaking of. The car parks there usually have a maximum, the most being RM6.50 a day. There are three car parks directly opposite ATC. Other good areas to park are UO and some park at the stadium i believe and walk. You can also park your car along the main road where there are allotted lots tho i dunno how much that costs...
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Yeah, the KL ATC. The one with the mute guy manning the outdoor car park. Anyways, I doubt I'll be driving there because if I decide to go there classes will end around 5 if I remembered correctly. Have to drive through the jam all the way back to Bukit Jelutong. Everyday. For 5 years. Hahaha. If I may ask, how near is the nearest train station?
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Yeah, the KL ATC. The one with the mute guy manning the outdoor car park. Anyways, I doubt I'll be driving there because if I decide to go there classes will end around 5 if I remembered correctly. Have to drive through the jam all the way back to Bukit Jelutong. Everyday. For 5 years. Hahaha. If I may ask, how near is the nearest train station?
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nearest LRT station is Pasar Seni on the RapidKL line. It is about 5 mins walk, but if it rains, well...

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i did not read all the posts from this topic, but I have seen some heated debates about the best law school in Malaysia, its pointless unless u know what you are looking for. good in the sense of their general passing rate? (it might not concern you if you are lazy enough to screw up urself) good in providing quality lecturers? good in facilities and lecture halls?
I did my LLB in ATC and CLP in BAC, i got fantastic results from both, other than the fact that i studied very hard myself, I have to say that ATC lecturers are best of the best (im doing LLM in Cambridge now and I seriously think that the quality of lecturers in atc is even better than in cambridge), they might not have bombastic qualification, but the way of teaching is so lively, interesting and clear. You wanna do LLB external, no doubt, ATC. BAC on the other hand provided me with a different environment of studying, they are good as well especially when it comes to passing rate and individual achievement, their notes are very comprehensive, the classrooms are newer n better. But my friends doing CLP in ATC think otherwise, for them, the CLP class there is smaller and the lecturers are more focused on individual performance. The passing rate depends on amount of student u have, if you have bigger class of course the passing rate (in proportion to overall passes in Malaysia) is higher. It really depends on what are u looking for, different study environment suits different people.
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QUOTE(pwncake @ Mar 23 2010, 12:41 AM)
i did not read all the posts from this topic, but I have seen some heated debates about the best law school in Malaysia, its pointless unless u know what you are looking for. good in the sense of their general passing rate? (it might not concern you if you are lazy enough to screw up urself) good in providing quality lecturers? good in facilities and lecture halls?
I did my LLB in ATC and CLP in BAC, i got fantastic results from both, other than the fact that i studied very hard myself, I have to say that ATC lecturers are best of the best (im doing LLM in Cambridge now and I seriously think that the quality of lecturers in atc is even better than in cambridge), they might not have bombastic qualification, but the way of teaching is so lively, interesting and clear. You wanna do LLB external, no doubt, ATC. BAC on the other hand provided me with a different environment of studying, they are good as well especially when it comes to passing rate and individual achievement, their notes are very comprehensive, the classrooms are newer n better. But my friends doing CLP in ATC think otherwise, for them, the CLP class there is smaller and the lecturers are more focused on individual performance. The passing rate depends on amount of student u have, if you have bigger class of course the passing rate (in proportion to overall passes in Malaysia) is higher. It really depends on what are u looking for, different study environment suits different people.
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To reiterate, I concur. I believe this thread was created to gather opinions of individuals about their alma maters rather than critically analysing which is the best law school in Malaysia. Coz there isn't, considering especially the numerous different programmes/pathways to obtain a recognized law degree i.e. externally, via twinning, DTP or at local unis.

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hey i just wanna ask, has anyone had any experience studying at INTI or HELP? my brother is interested in the twinning courses at both colleges and would really appreciate some feedback on either coll/program.
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well, i will recommend HELP..i hv a fren taking a level in there and after tat twinning programme to UK.as for inti, i'm not tat sure, wad i heard is tat its not tat good afterall =)
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i believe that atc is the best law college in malaysia....because many people told me that!!Somemore,many of my friends also study at atc! rclxms.gif
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As i know,atc is far more and more better than brickfield!! rclxms.gif Atc has many responsible and experienced lecturer....the quality of lecturers in atc give atc a very good image!!Their teaching method are excellent too! rclxms.gif
Beside that,Atc has produced some top results students...this already prove the good quality of atc...
The conclusion is....Atc should be the top law college in malaysia...and i agree brickfield should be the 2nd behind Atc... icon_rolleyes.gif
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does ATC offer part-time study?
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does ATC offer part-time study?






-Ya.....atc offer part-time study for a-levels...u going there?
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i went to bac last week. the place don't look good. and do they help to arrange accommodation for outstation ppl?
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i went to bac last week. the place don't look good. and do they help to arrange accommodation for outstation ppl?
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Erm, i dont think they help to arrange accommodation .....
Anyway, BAC might not have a nice campus as Taylors or HELP , nonetheless, in my opinion, i seriously think the UOL program running there is of good quality as in their lecture team.


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does ATC offer part-time study?
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I think ATC offers part time study for every course....
You can check with them?

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Hello everyone, can anyone tell me what is the minimum result to gt the scholarship of atc for A level?
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i am taking spm this year and i am going to further my studies in law.but i have problem i deciding which college to go to.so can anybody here tell me which college is better?BAC or ATC?
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i am taking spm this year and i am going to further my studies in law.but i have problem i deciding which college to go to.so can anybody here tell me which college is better?BAC or ATC?
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better for you to aim for an IPTA. ^^
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better for you to aim for an IPTA. ^^
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Is it because it is hard to get CLP? Or you have your own reasoning?

Mind to share ? biggrin.gif
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i am taking spm this year and i am going to further my studies in law.but i have problem i deciding which college to go to.so can anybody here tell me which college is better?BAC or ATC?
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but i dun wan to study form 6..how?
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QUOTE(elicious @ Jun 8 2010, 11:09 AM)
but i dun wan to study form 6..how?
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Then the only choice is private college or IPTS.
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my parents are asking me to go for BAC why is BAC so good about? can anyone tell me ? if compare to KDU doh.gif
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BAC is good because they dint change lecturer regularly , the lecturers have been teaching the same subject for more than 10 years.

ATC recently changes a lot of lecturer , heard some of them went to Nirvana.
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^nirvana?are we talking bout the funeral service place or wat? blink.gif
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It means some lecturers have called home to be with God.
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im quitting form 6 now...hmmm...bac or atc? hmm.gif
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When considering whether to read law at BAC or ATC for UOL LLB, just determine whether the lecturers are better and whether the facilities and location suit YOU. Remember, opinions are subjective and varied. There already is sufficient input in the pinned thread.

QUOTE(fk2222 @ Aug 18 2010, 11:21 PM)
BAC is good because they dint change lecturer regularly , the lecturers have been teaching the same subject for more than 10 years.

ATC recently changes a lot of lecturer , heard some of them went to Nirvana.
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That recently of yours was 4 years ago. ATC has been much more stable since then.


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^nirvana?are we talking bout the funeral service place or wat? blink.gif
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my parents are asking me to go for BAC why is BAC so good about? can anyone tell me ? if compare to KDU doh.gif
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Besides facilities, and a larger campus, i would say, BAC/ATC/HELP/TAYLORS is much more better than KDU ....


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BAC is good because they dint change lecturer regularly , the lecturers have been teaching the same subject for more than 10 years.

ATC recently changes a lot of lecturer , heard some of them went to Nirvana.
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Well, you will never know whether or not BAC changing their lecturer regularly?
To be frank, BAC does have some excellent lecturer as the principle lecturer, at times, they tend to change lecturer too. However not too frequent.
In my two academic years in BAC, I have experienced twice in which the lecturer has left. One has left to KDU and another continue practicing as a lawyer.
Well, its still fortunate, a better lecturer then took over. I enjoyed Trust lectures the most !

ATC? The environment of ATC really does give you a feeling that you are currently reading law! ( In my opinion) hehehe
As you said, in which it is a truth that lecturers had left to somewhere, but i am not quite sure whether this happened RECENTLY???
I dont remembering any as my friends are currently pursuing their law degree over there and they did fairly well !



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my parents are asking me to go for BAC why is BAC so good about? can anyone tell me ? if compare to KDU doh.gif
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is simple...because BAC and ATC are more focus on law study with more law study material while KDU are famous for its mass com
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They have business admin twinning with different universities in UK.

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Yeah, the KL ATC. The one with the mute guy manning the outdoor car park. Anyways, I doubt I'll be driving there because if I decide to go there classes will end around 5 if I remembered correctly. Have to drive through the jam all the way back to Bukit Jelutong. Everyday. For 5 years. Hahaha. If I may ask, how near is the nearest train station?
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hi ~i m rachel who from seremban ~i m confusing which college is gud for me so cn u guys giv me sum suggestion ?atc/ bac?
cn i noe about the fees of bac n atc?i m going to law course~

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IIUM / UIAM have the best law school in the country. regardless whether ur a muslim or not. u can enter the uni, if u r qualified.
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Actually you cannot compare the best law school based on the overall results of the students studying at a specific IPT.

firstly because it is not standardized, for example, in UM the examination system is very different where the final examinations are only once a year, not per semester. plus in private colleges the questions may be picked like in MMU, you got 10 question you may answer 5, in IPTA such as IIUM, UITM, UKM or UUM, you are required to answer ALL questions.

and i don't see the need to compare LLB results with CLP, since CLP results alone determine if you're qualified to be a legal practitioner or not. Thus, go for the college that has the best CLP results thus far.
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seriously these posts is quite helpful for others who wanted to get feedbacks from the colleges alumni themselves~
thank you very much~


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I'm back after a short break. hopefully zohan is still here with his juicy infos.

Anyway, I'll give my 2 sens worth by answering certain popular questions here or just filling in certain information.

1. First Classes and Second Uppers.
It is INDIVIDUAL. You can get the best preparation in the world and if you still can't get it yourself, you will continuously f*ck yourself in the exams in and out. It is not about 'special notes'. It is not about working hard ONLY. It is not about being taught by 'special tutors'. It is about yourself. The quality of a learning institution is its ability to make sure u are walking in the correct direction. That is why it is imperative that students choose and environment that suits their needs and not just crowd to a place where there is a first class honours grad.

Know your strengths and weaknesses. Are you a weak student that needs constant attention? If that is the case then you need to go to somewhere smaller and less crowded to get the full advantage of tutors. Are you a student that finds studying life should be as enjoyable as it is miserable? If you think you want a good undergraduate campus life, choose a big place with loads of students and activities to get the full benefits. Are you a student who has a problem staying in class? Go to a place which place emphasis on attendance.(Doubt it for UOL external LLB... when I was a student I barely attended anything).

I recall my Part I days. As I was a truant student, skiving is 2ndnature to me. But I did convince myself to attend the revision period for several selected subjects where the lecturers are not as boring as others. Then, there was only ATC. Everyone in that revision class (the whole of the KL LLB students) had the same materials and the same lecture notes and so on. Most were studious ones from Day 1. I only attended come revision. When the results came out, there were only 3 First Class marks and a small handful Second Upper marks for a particular subject which I attended. What happened to the rest ? If everyone got the same stuffs, or maybe even better stuffs, they should be getting First Class and Second Upper marks all the way. Instead, the failure rate for that subject was the highest that year. But they did not. I don't know about the other 2 First Class marks scorers or whether they did any extra reading but I know I just went in the exams with minimal preparation, just plain old understanding and some basic notes about important issues.

So my point again is... whether u make it to the upper echelons of academic achievement is a matter only for you to determine in the end.

2. CLP... the reality of it.

The CLP is a very bulky subject. That said, it is not EXTREMELY difficult or at least difficult in the way it was alleged to be. There are no skills to be tested. It is not a hectic course as you just need to attend classes and prepare your notes as well as memorize them. Why it is really difficult is because of the passing rate. And it is in my opinion that the reason for such issues is either political or monopolistic. The lack of transparency in the marking of the exam papers is a huge cause for concern and it only fuels my inclination to surmise what I did above. That said, it does teach you a lot about the procedural matters of Malaysian law which is invaluable to a future lawyer. And those who did the external UOL LLB has not much of a choice really. You gotta take it whether you like it or not if you want to practice in this country... unless you have the opportunity (read luxury) of going to a local Uni (Specified ones. UUM and some others not included I think) where upon graduation you can begin your pupillage. 

Well you can do the BVC as an alternative. The BVC is by far a more challenging course where you are actually tested more on your skills of advocacy, conferencing, opinion writing, drafting and negotiations. These present a more practical feature to enhance your legal career in the future. The proposed CBC was meant to be tailored according to the BVC. In fact, many, if not all of the Commonwealth countries which has their own Bar Qualifying Exams formulated their Bar Course after the BVC. The problem with the BVC is MONEY. Not everyone can afford a year's worth of education in the UK. The passing rate is around 50% (Better than the CLP's 20% and those who failed know WHY they failed) but you cannot AFFORD to fail it. It is expensive. And of course, when you return to begin your pupillage you will have to learn about Malaysian procedural law which can be quite cumbersome on your own. Your pupil master is not likely to allow you to read them up on your own sweet time.

The worse part of the CLP is that although it was announced to be scrapped and replaced with the imminent CBC... that imminence seemed to have vapourised when our galiant de facto Minister of Law Datuk Zaid Ibrahim has resigned. (due to the highly oppressive and greatly draconian arrests of civilians under the ISA - which every law student know that such laws are not meant to be and is an insult to the rule of law or at least AV Dicey's version of it).

3. Law and Sejarah.

THEY ARE NOT CONNECTED AT ALL. History is about the understanding of human events in the past and what we can learn from them. From an external aspect, you learn of the events and how they play out. From an internal aspect, you study the possible reasons or happenings that might have triggered the occurence of the event. Sure both History and Law requires reading but then, EVERYTHING at undergraduate level requires reading. Even those numerically dominant Mathematics or Acturial Science Majors.

Law on the other hand is about understanding the rules that humans have lay down in order to govern themselves. Throughout the LLB, you will learn and understand the law from two perspective, internally and externally. Externally, you will learn the principles of the main areas of law such as criminal, contract, tort, land, evidence and so on. Internally, you will grasp the understanding of how such laws come about. For most law schools including the University of London, the study of Jurisprudence and Legal Theory in the final year is compulsory or very much encouraged and in this subject... you will learn to answer the one question that bothers all legal philosophers and jurists since time immemorial - What is the law?

Studying History requires a passionate and curious attitude. Studying law requires an analytical intellect. After all, a good lawyer is one that is able to manipulate the law to their advantage by spotting the shaky or controversial areas of the law (ie. loopholes in the law) and manouevre them accordingly.
There you have it, my 2 sens worth of nonsense.
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Hi guys...I got 4 credits in my spm and currently waitin for my results....I want to do law at bac..external programme.....n i want 2 work in singapore...but not as lawyer....i want to work in banking and finance field...so do u think it is recognised in singapore? Seriously need ur help to make my lyf desicison...
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QUOTE(Starbuckcup91 @ Feb 15 2011, 05:48 PM)
Hi guys...I got 4 credits in my spm and currently waitin for my results....I want to do law at bac..external programme.....n i want 2 work in singapore...but not as lawyer....i want to work in banking and finance field...so do u think it is recognised in singapore? Seriously need ur help to make my lyf desicison...
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What qualification are you going in with? You know that external programme is a degree right? Which means you have to go through STPM, A-levels or UEC. And Singapore... with an external degree, its quite hard.. you gotta compete with people from NUS etc..
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What qualification are you going in with? You know that external programme is a degree right? Which means you have to go through STPM, A-levels or UEC. And Singapore... with an external degree, its quite hard.. you gotta compete with people from NUS etc..
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goin to apply with my stpm result...what choices do i have if i study uol other than being a lawyer itself?

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A LLB degree can lead you into lots of places. It is recognised by banks, MNC's? You can go into the banking industry, business, marketing etc. You do not necessarily need to practice once you grad with an UOL LLB
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QUOTE(SihamZhai @ Feb 15 2011, 07:29 PM)
What qualification are you going in with? You know that external programme is a degree right? Which means you have to go through STPM, A-levels or UEC. And Singapore... with an external degree, its quite hard.. you gotta compete with people from NUS etc..
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u guys are so helpful...thank u so much...but i m thinking of entering bac....my results will be out next week....so we will c


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A LLB degree can lead you into lots of places. It is recognised by banks, MNC's? You can go into the banking industry, business, marketing etc. You do not necessarily need to practice once you grad with an UOL LLB
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okie.....bac or atc?

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Both are the same. I'm in BAC cuz i wanna transfer to the UK. But ATC has a better record. Their last king's college scholarship winner was from ATC.
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Both are the same. I'm in BAC cuz i wanna transfer to the UK. But ATC has a better record. Their last king's college scholarship winner was from ATC.
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May i noe what option do a law student have except practising as a lawyer?
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QUOTE(SihamZhai @ Feb 16 2011, 01:43 AM)
A LLB degree can lead you into lots of places. It is recognised by banks, MNC's? You can go into the banking industry, business, marketing etc. You do not necessarily need to practice once you grad with an UOL LLB
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Already said it.
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hi I'm planning to take A Levels and law. went to the Star edu fair today and so far the most affordable is ATC, which is 8k for their A Levels. anyone know what the fees are like for BAC A Levels?

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Quite similar.
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alright thank you! I've decided on ATC anyway. It's closer to home and more convenient.
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May i noe what option do a law student have except practising as a lawyer?
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you can be a legal adviser, lecturer, and so on... couldn't remember... try to read this
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...&hl=alevels+law
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alright thank you! I've decided on ATC anyway. It's closer to home and more convenient.
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Welcome to ATC. I am pursuing my A-level in ATC too, will be sitting my A2 in May-June.
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QUOTE(yileong @ Feb 28 2011, 01:53 AM)
Welcome to ATC. I am pursuing my A-level in ATC too, will be sitting my A2 in May-June.
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which campus are you in? penang or kl?

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Both same. IPTA and private uni will get you a LLB. Both recognised by the malaysian BAR. But private uni, you have to sit for your CLP, but Private uni's no.
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anyone can explain to me what is the current status for CBE in msia?
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Apparently, the News Straits Times quoted the Attorney General as saying that the Common Bar Course is in the cards, but no firm date has been given yet. For all we know, it might take years before we see the light of CBC/CBE.

See the newspaper clipping from the AG's website: http://agc-wopac.agc.gov.my/e-docs/2011/nst/0000019633.pdf
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Can anyone tell me how is the ATC Penang like precisely, compared to its KL campus? Does the penang campus offers any accommodation? What i also heard is that the bac and atc areas are not quite safe for a single foreign student, anyone has another opinion about this?? thanks
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QUOTE(jansa313 @ Apr 13 2011, 09:31 PM)
Can anyone tell me how is the ATC Penang like precisely, compared to its KL campus? Does the penang campus offers any accommodation? What i also heard is that the bac and atc areas are not quite safe for a single foreign student, anyone has another opinion about this?? thanks
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Yeap for BAC. The area had been not quite safe as there were few cases where some motorist just throw Acid at people that are walking at the side of the road. You'll see like 6-10 police standing at the Monorail station everyday now biggrin.gif Anyway, I'm currently studying in BAC. that's why i know it XD
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Hi! i'm about to finish my A-Levels which i'm currently doing in Taylor's College.

My first choice to pursue law was Taylor's Uni itself, but i've heard that the degree programs there aren't exactly the best. Plus, i've been hearing complaints about the lecturers.

So right now, like many others, i'm torn between ATC and BAC. how are the facilities in both colleges? and are the lecturers good - in a sense that, do they have good teaching methods and have a good relationship with the students? cause like, sometimes unis and stuff have anal lecturers :/

i've read through the entire forum, but since most of the posts were sent in like 2-3 years ago, i'd like to check out some fresh input on things biggrin.gif

right now, i'm currently leaning towards BAC, but is there anything else worth knowing about both BAC and ATC?

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QUOTE(iliketrees @ Apr 21 2011, 03:23 PM)
Hi! i'm about to finish my A-Levels which i'm currently doing in Taylor's College.

My first choice to pursue law was Taylor's Uni itself, but i've heard that the degree programs there aren't exactly the best. Plus, i've been hearing complaints about the lecturers.

So right now, like many others, i'm torn between ATC and BAC. how are the facilities in both colleges? and are the lecturers good - in a sense that, do they have good teaching methods and have a good relationship with the students? cause like, sometimes unis and stuff have anal lecturers :/

i've read through the entire forum, but since most of the posts were sent in like 2-3 years ago, i'd like to check out some fresh input on things biggrin.gif

right now, i'm currently leaning towards BAC, but is there anything else worth knowing about both BAC and ATC?

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thanks for the quick feedback lol! i've ruled out HELP. my friend's brother left that place for BAC. HELP's only good for psychology, not that great for law.

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http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...&hl=alevels+law
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How's campus life in BAC then? laugh.gif Would to receive some reviews/help from follow seniors. smile.gif

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How's campus life in BAC then? laugh.gif Would to receive some reviews/help from follow seniors. smile.gif
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hello! I'm currently doing Cambridge A-Levels, Jan intake & will be sitting for my A-Levels exam very very soon which is Oct! cry.gif I wanna pursue a law degree next year & my cousin who is now in University of Reading ( twins with Taylor's ) is persuading me that Taylor's law school is really good but i seriously have no idea about it. I wanna do 2+1 but ATC has only external programs so i excluded it d. BAC, they all said there very dangerous, not a safe area flex.gif anyway, Taylor or HELP ? is anybody here studying at Taylor/Help/Inti Law School ?
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hello! I'm currently doing Cambridge A-Levels, Jan intake & will be sitting for my A-Levels exam very very soon which is Oct!  cry.gif I wanna pursue a law degree next year & my cousin who is now in University of Reading ( twins with Taylor's ) is persuading me that Taylor's law school is really good but i seriously have no idea about it. I wanna do 2+1 but ATC has only external programs so i excluded it d. BAC, they all said there very dangerous, not a safe area  flex.gif  anyway, Taylor or HELP ? is anybody here studying at Taylor/Help/Inti Law School ?
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Hi, Taylors law school should be not bad, worth a consideration. Unless you wish to have more options like Liverpool, Hull, Cardiff and etc.
I know there's one forumer previously from Inti ( Amy jacint something, not quite sure), Inti law school was not bad but many good lecturers have left.
Hence, amongst all i think HELP has a better reputation. I personally was a student from BAC and currently in my final year at Cardiff University.
However, BAC is currently performing not bad as quite a number of universities are now in partnership with them. If you're not sure about your choices of universities but still wish to have Reading in your list. BAC could be your choice. It basically now in partnership with Liverpool, Cardiff, Reading, Hull, Exeter, Aberyswyth, Hertfordshire and Northumbria. In relation to the safety concern in Brickfields area, i think it is not that bad.

Hahaha, to answer your question: Taylors or HELP? - I would say HELP. smile.gif
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QUOTE(jhong @ May 29 2011, 04:36 AM)
Hi, Taylors law school should be not bad, worth a consideration. Unless you wish to have more options like Liverpool, Hull, Cardiff and etc.
I know there's one forumer previously from Inti ( Amy jacint something, not quite sure), Inti law school was not bad but many good lecturers have left.
Hence, amongst all i think HELP has a better reputation. I personally was a student from BAC and currently in my final year at Cardiff University.
However, BAC is currently performing not bad as quite a number of universities are now in partnership with them. If you're not sure about your choices of universities but still wish to have Reading in your list. BAC could be your choice. It basically now in partnership with Liverpool, Cardiff, Reading, Hull, Exeter, Aberyswyth, Hertfordshire and Northumbria. In relation to the safety concern in Brickfields area, i think it is not that bad.

Hahaha, to answer your question: Taylors or HELP? - I would say HELP.  smile.gif
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yea cos exam is coming really soon & my dad urges me to decide which law school should I go to. Both HELP & Taylor also Jan intake next year, so I have to decide really soon. Now, Uni of Reading is No.8 in UK ( law ) but Leeds, Cardiff semua belakang. doh.gif no offense lah paiseh >.< ) http://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.u.../rankings?s=Law But Taylor is more expensive. you compare 53K & Help's 42K. Such a huge difference. haha. anyway, thanks for your help! icon_rolleyes.gif

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yea cos exam is coming really soon & my dad urges me to decide which law school should I go to. Both HELP & Taylor also Jan intake next year, so I have to decide really soon. Now, Uni of Reading is No.8 in UK ( law ) but Leeds, Cardiff semua belakang.  doh.gif  no offense lah paiseh >.< ) http://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.u.../rankings?s=Law But Taylor is more expensive. you compare 53K & Help's 42K. Such a huge difference. haha. anyway, thanks for your help!  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Indeed Reading law school has been improving all these years. Stunning improvement i would say. I rejected Reading last year because i think the living cost there is quite high. Hahahahax....Well, thats why i said, if you would like to enter Reading. Aside from Taylors, i think BAC is the only choice.
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BAC got linked with Reading ? cool. I thought Taylor's is the only one who links with it. blink.gif the area there living costs is very expensive is it ? oh no. Got cheaper area ? i mean if wanna compare with Reading. How about Sheffield, Manchester, Leeds ?
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How's campus life in BAC then? laugh.gif Would to receive some reviews/help from follow seniors. smile.gif
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Campus? BAC got no campus la, hahaha. I just completed my first year there.
They have new building now, which is better than the old one a lot, new library with loads of new books, guess they are making tons of money. They have gym and moot room as well.
Btw, studying at atc or bac, to me is of no big difference since the ultimate dominant factor is YOU.
About the ranking of universities in UK, your employer will not really go and check it, unless you are from KCL, UCL, QMCL, OXBRIDGE etc, which will guarantee you some prospectivew future?
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QUOTE(xuenn @ Jun 1 2011, 07:37 PM)
BAC got linked with Reading ? cool. I thought Taylor's is the only one who links with it.  blink.gif the area there living costs is very expensive is it ? oh no. Got cheaper area ? i mean if wanna compare with Reading. How about Sheffield, Manchester, Leeds ?
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They do have connections with Reading but my second year friends are saying that reading rejects quite a lot of applications. Most of my friends obtained an admission from either liverpool, northumbria, or aber, cardiff will be more difficult to enter it seems.


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regarding ATC in KL and Penang, can anyone tell me if there's a difference between the two? as in which is better? in terms of environment and lecturers...etc. I don't know whether to take my LLB in Penang or KL.
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Is it better to join LLB in September or January? Any differences between these intakes?

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KL ATC is better than Penang ATC a lot smile.gif
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KL ATC is better than Penang ATC a lot  smile.gif
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hello..urgent...i really need ur all help, advise and suggestion....i want to do 2+1 program in sept...between BAC and HELP, which one is more better??...hope can get ur all as soon as possible..


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Hi, Taylors law school should be not bad, worth a consideration. Unless you wish to have more options like Liverpool, Hull, Cardiff and etc.
I know there's one forumer previously from Inti ( Amy jacint something, not quite sure), Inti law school was not bad but many good lecturers have left.
Hence, amongst all i think HELP has a better reputation. I personally was a student from BAC and currently in my final year at Cardiff University.
However, BAC is currently performing not bad as quite a number of universities are now in partnership with them. If you're not sure about your choices of universities but still wish to have Reading in your list. BAC could be your choice. It basically now in partnership with Liverpool, Cardiff, Reading, Hull, Exeter, Aberyswyth, Hertfordshire and Northumbria. In relation to the safety concern in Brickfields area, i think it is not that bad.

Hahaha, to answer your question: Taylors or HELP? - I would say HELP.  smile.gif
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hello. which one is good in 2+1???.....BAC or HELP????.....how about BAC 2+1???>...is that good????>.......i wish the cheap and quality one....and BAC is cheaper than HELP......may i have ur suggestion cuz i gonna take law in this sept but i still blank which one is good......hope can get ur reply soon.....thanks

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hello..urgent...i really need ur all help, advise and suggestion....i want to do 2+1 program in sept...between BAC and HELP, which one is more better??...hope can get ur all as soon as possible..


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hello. which one is good in 2+1???.....BAC or HELP????.....how about BAC 2+1???>...is that good????>.......i wish the cheap and quality one....and BAC is cheaper than HELP......may i have ur suggestion cuz i gonna take law in this sept but i still blank which one is good......hope can get ur reply soon.....thanks
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For BAC 2+1 Program (UK Transfer) You will have a variety of choices between 13 Universities in UK to choose while HELP is just a twinning programme which you can't really choose. So yea, It all depends what you want actually smile.gif If you've decided for BAC, I think you could go to their Official Facebook page and get some info.
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For BAC 2+1 Program (UK Transfer) You will have a variety of choices between 13 Universities in UK to choose while HELP is just a twinning programme which you can't really choose. So yea, It all depends what you want actually smile.gif If you've decided for BAC, I think you could go to their Official Facebook page and get some info.
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Actually, both BAC and HELP do only UK Credit Transfer - so far the only private law school I know of that has a Law Twinning Programme is Taylor's.
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Actually, both BAC and HELP do only UK Credit Transfer - so far the only private law school I know of that has a Law Twinning Programme is Taylor's.
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i need some help here!!! i plan to tk law in INTI university college. wat is the course structure thr???
i hv no idea about ATC and LLB... wat is it all about????? pls give me some opinions!!!! the intakes is just around the corner...
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i need some help here!!! i plan to tk law in INTI university college. wat is the course structure thr???
i hv no idea about ATC and LLB... wat is it all about????? pls give me some opinions!!!! the intakes is just around the corner...
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ATC and LLB? U mean ATC and BAC is it? Anyways, You already got a A-levels Qualification ?
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the polls is rather bias, u just listed the private colleges... The thing is, when you graduate from private college, you have to go through CLP, before becoming a lawyer, or so as i was told.

Students from certain Govt university such as UM UiTM, can straightaway become lawyers without going through the hassle of CLP. Their LLB is sufficient enough.

For the private colleges, their LLB isn't really recognized to fully synchronize with the, uhh, 'Malaysian situation'? (pardon me for being unable to describe it in the best of words and manner) And thus the need for CLP.

Say if you graduate from Inner Temple and you come back to Malaysia, you'll still need to go through CLP? Why? Since what you learn in England isn't sufficient as the laws, although derives from the Common Law, has evolve in out own manner and is not directly equivalent.

So back to the question of which is the best Law School in Malaysia, there is no exact answer to it to be honest. Yes the school itself is important but the student themselves is much more important. But if I have to pick, I'd say that Government Law Schools are the best rather than private Law Schools.

Well, its just my humble opinion and please do correct me if I have said something wrong. I'm just a human. tongue.gif
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The title itself is rather misleading... but anyway I assume that this thread is specifically discussing about the PRIVATE INSTITUTION. So, just relax and yea, Im surprised also HELP and TAYLOR (being the prestigious UKT Law school, could not be compared with ATC and BAC... lol)
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the polls is rather bias, u just listed the private colleges... The thing is, when you graduate from private college, you have to go through CLP, before becoming a lawyer, or so as i was told.

Students from certain Govt university such as UM UiTM, can straightaway become lawyers without going through the hassle of CLP. Their LLB is sufficient enough.

For the private colleges, their LLB isn't really recognized to fully synchronize with the, uhh, 'Malaysian situation'? (pardon me for being unable to describe it in the best of words and manner) And thus the need for CLP.

Say if you graduate from Inner Temple and you come back to Malaysia, you'll still need to go through CLP? Why? Since what you learn in England isn't sufficient as the laws, although derives from the Common Law, has evolve in out own manner and is not directly equivalent.

So back to the question of which is the best Law School in Malaysia, there is no exact answer to it to be honest. Yes the school itself is important but the student themselves is much more important. But if I have to pick, I'd say that Government Law Schools are the best rather than private Law Schools.

Well, its just my humble opinion and please do correct me if I have said something wrong. I'm just a human. tongue.gif
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Nope you dont have to go through CLP if you already gone through BPTC [Bar Professional Training Course]. whistling.gif

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Nope you dont have to go through CLP if you already gone through BPTC [Bar Professional Training Course]. whistling.gif

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im not really familiar with BPTC but what i do know is that after you've done your degree, you'll have two options. CLP or BPTC.

CLP's exam is extremely hard.
BPTC is rather expensive.

With CLP you'll get a bit of an advantage in the manner that you'll be learning the Malaysian Law before you start your chambering.
But with BPTC, you can practice in various Commonwealth countries (if im not mistaken).

But, pardon me, it seems that doing LLB in the local Government Uni's is the easiest way to practice here in Malaysia. (but lets not forget, graduating from Inner Temple etc is way grander and is looked at above more than if you graduated from some local Government University).


Added on August 11, 2011, 4:51 amoh but I think I'd suggest BPTC over CLP. And i do believe that my post is OT.


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QUOTE(z21j @ Aug 10 2011, 11:32 PM)
The title itself is rather misleading... but anyway I assume that this thread is specifically discussing about the PRIVATE INSTITUTION. So, just relax and yea, Im surprised also HELP and TAYLOR (being the prestigious UKT Law school, could not be compared with ATC and BAC... lol)
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Very misleading as a matter of fact. hahahha.
Oh don't you worry, you're not the only one who is surprised.
Rather bias if I'd say so myself.

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QUOTE(Area51SE @ Aug 8 2011, 10:47 PM)
For BAC 2+1 Program (UK Transfer) You will have a variety of choices between 13 Universities in UK to choose while HELP is just a twinning programme which you can't really choose. So yea, It all depends what you want actually smile.gif If you've decided for BAC, I think you could go to their Official Facebook page and get some info.
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are you law student of BAC??....between BAC and HELP, which one is good for 2+1 program??...cuz im going to join the sept intake....


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Actually, both BAC and HELP do only UK Credit Transfer - so far the only private law school I know of that has a Law Twinning Programme is Taylor's.
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what is the different between credit transfer and twinning??


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thanks for the quick feedback lol! i've ruled out HELP. my friend's brother left that place for BAC. HELP's only good for psychology, not that great for law.
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is that ur friend brother doing in 2+1???.....i wonder which is more better in 2+1. either BAC or HELP???

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are you law student of BAC??....between BAC and HELP, which one is good for 2+1 program??...cuz im going to join the sept intake....


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what is the different between credit transfer and twinning??


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is that ur friend brother doing in 2+1???.....i wonder which is more better in 2+1. either BAC or HELP???
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Hello, I'm just an A-level Student in BAC. Can't really give comments / Compare it . Maybe you could pay them a visit and ask what you wish to ask lol.
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QUOTE(altec lansing @ Aug 11 2011, 04:35 AM)
are you law student of BAC??....between BAC and HELP, which one is good for 2+1 program??...cuz im going to join the sept intake....


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what is the different between credit transfer and twinning??


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is that ur friend brother doing in 2+1???.....i wonder which is more better in 2+1. either BAC or HELP???
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I was previously from BAC and just graduated from UK.

Well, the difference are, say if u're doing 2+1,
1. Credit transfer: You're the student under whichever institutes( BAC/HELP & ETC) for the 2 years you're going to spend with them. Then, on the final year, you'll then TRANSFER YOUR CREDITS which you earned to one of the UK universities.

2. Twinning: You're the student of the UK university itself during the very first year, just that you're studying locally. You'll be able to access the university's portal and all as you'l be provided your username. Then, on the final year, you'll just switch to the university in the UK. In this program, you dont have any choices as to which universities will u be going since you've already registered with them during 1st yr.

The question as to which one is better, that really depends on the students. I am not a subscriber of which university produces the best student. It is you that makes the difference. Reputation wise, HELP is better i suppose. They produced quite a lot of first class students over the years.
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QUOTE(jhong @ Aug 12 2011, 01:02 AM)
I was previously from BAC and just graduated from UK.

Well, the difference are, say if u're doing 2+1,
1. Credit transfer: You're the student under whichever institutes( BAC/HELP & ETC) for the 2 years you're going to spend with them. Then, on the final year, you'll then TRANSFER YOUR CREDITS which you earned to one of the UK universities.

2. Twinning: You're the student of the UK university itself during the very first year, just that you're studying locally. You'll be able to access the university's portal and all as you'l be provided your username. Then, on the final year, you'll just switch to the university in the UK. In this program, you dont have any choices as to which universities will u be going since you've already registered with them during 1st yr.

The question as to which one is better, that really depends on the students. I am not a subscriber of which university produces the best student. It is you that makes the difference. Reputation wise, HELP is better i suppose. They produced quite a lot of first class students over the years.
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then between bac and HELp, which one is better to do in 2+1???.....help has a good reputation but i think that is for psychology right......for u which one is better???.....how about the area at bac???....cuz i heard from many ppl, they said bac area is very dangerous LOL......
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QUOTE(altec lansing @ Aug 15 2011, 01:21 PM)
then between bac and HELp, which one is better to do in 2+1???.....help has a good reputation but i think that is for psychology right......for u which one is better???.....how about the area at bac???....cuz i heard from many ppl, they said bac area is very dangerous LOL......
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actually, at the end of the day, it really is based on the student and the amount of hard work which they put into their studies. if you would really like to compare both unis, take a look at their transfer programs and from there take a look at which uni you would like to ultimately transfer to in the last year of studies.

in my opinion, the main difference between HELP and BAC would just be their area and facilities. HELP has a bigger building as it has its own campus, while BAC is very much smaller and does not have the best environment. however, there is also the matter of fact that BAC *IS* indeed very well known and recognized for their law program, which is why people tend to choose BAC over HELP despite the fact that HELP may have...'prettier' conditions, facilities wise. And while BAC is known for law, HELP is known for psychology, so that in itself can tell you something about the unis and may greatly affect your choice in which uni to enroll into.

but, all in all, be it HELP, ATC, BAC or Taylor's or whatever uni you transfer to, what matters most is that the student doesn't play around and study like there is no tomorrow.

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QUOTE(jhong @ Aug 12 2011, 01:02 AM)
I was previously from BAC and just graduated from UK.

Well, the difference are, say if u're doing 2+1,
1. Credit transfer: You're the student under whichever institutes( BAC/HELP & ETC) for the 2 years you're going to spend with them. Then, on the final year, you'll then TRANSFER YOUR CREDITS which you earned to one of the UK universities.

2. Twinning: You're the student of the UK university itself during the very first year, just that you're studying locally. You'll be able to access the university's portal and all as you'l be provided your username. Then, on the final year, you'll just switch to the university in the UK. In this program, you dont have any choices as to which universities will u be going since you've already registered with them during 1st yr.

The question as to which one is better, that really depends on the students. I am not a subscriber of which university produces the best student. It is you that makes the difference. Reputation wise, HELP is better i suppose. They produced quite a lot of first class students over the years.
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may i know the last year study at UK, how much will be cost at UK university?...and how much will be cost at our daily living if study at UK ???
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What are the entry requirements for BAC? Just 5 credits for SPM and 2 credits in A levels? I am thinking of applying, how do I do that?
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What are the entry requirements for BAC? Just 5 credits for SPM and 2 credits in A levels? I am thinking of applying, how do I do that?
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I think BAC is just a MEDIUM of the established oversea university. The dont offer BAC degree.
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I think BAC is just a MEDIUM of the established oversea university. The dont offer BAC degree.
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Yes, but shouldnt there be some entry requirements to enter BAC? Is it that easy to enter?
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Yes, but shouldnt there be some entry requirements to enter BAC? Is it that easy to enter?
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For the UKT programme at BAC, what are the requirements to go to Uni of Liverpool or Reading? Do they still look at your A level results like ucas? Or do they look at your results from the LLB degree itself


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Erm, to enrol UKT Law Programme, u just have to get 2 principles in A-level, itu sahaja. Very easy to enrol.
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Erm, to enrol UKT Law Programme, u just have to get 2 principles in A-level, itu sahaja. Very easy to enrol.
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Hi all . Can anyone share some info. what qualification is needed to do Bar in England. Assuming one finish hie/hers LLB say in ATC? And the result is just 'normal' pass.

Tks.

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^ I'm assuming that it means your cgpa has to be higher than 2.2?

anyways, I'm thinking of transferring to MMU after my A Levels if it's possible. was wondering if that would be a good move? since MMU students are exempted from CLP. It's definitely 'safer' in my opinion. but should I take the risk of CLP? opinions please? ._.

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QUOTE(xheartmindsoul @ Aug 20 2011, 12:30 AM)
^ I'm assuming that it means your cgpa has to be higher than 2.2?

anyways, I'm thinking of transferring to MMU after my A Levels if it's possible. was wondering if that would be a good move? since MMU students are exempted from CLP. It's definitely 'safer' in my opinion. but should I take the risk of CLP? opinions please? ._.
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Firstly you will need at least a second lower, however that is not enough. You will also need to have a qualifying law degree (qld) meaning that in your final year ie Part 2 you will HAVE to take EU Law as a subject along with an additional Legal Skills Pathway (LSP) sub.
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QUOTE(Meaty @ Aug 20 2011, 01:40 AM)
I seriously think that you need to do your own R&R before concluding.
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hey cut me some slack. I'm just starting out here and there's alot I don't know. there are a lot of things I'm not clear and still indecisive about which is why I'm even bothering to ask here. you're certainly no help thanks. eh just forget I asked anything then =/

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I was browsing through the entry requirements for University of Liverpool for the Brickfields UKT programme for law. I came across this weird table where I didnt really understand, it said 1st year of entry 50% or 2nd year of entry 60%. The percentages came under the catergory UCAS. What does this actually mean? 50% and 60% of what?
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QUOTE(Outliar @ Aug 22 2011, 04:00 AM)
I was browsing through the entry requirements for University of Liverpool for the Brickfields UKT programme for law. I came across this weird table where I didnt really understand, it said 1st year of entry 50% or 2nd year of entry 60%. The percentages came under the catergory UCAS. What does this actually mean? 50% and 60% of what?
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It means that if you are going for 1+2, you need to obtain an average of 50% in Year 1. If you're going for 2+1, you would need to obtain an average of 50% in year 1 AND an average of 60% in year 2.
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QUOTE(richard poh @ Aug 19 2011, 10:03 PM)
minimum 2.2 ? what is that .? I hope you can share some info on this or a simplistic explanation will do. I thanks you in advance.
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so let say i manage to get 60% for my year 2 in UKT but are few mark shy of 50% for my year 1,do i stand a chance in getting a place in let say cardiff university or liverpool university.
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I have a question. I'm having my SPM this year. And i'm most probably gonna start my Pre U in January next year. But if I'm doing SAM ( South Australian Matriculation ) , will I still be able to do UK Law Degree Transfer program? Because some of the UK Law Degree Transfer program requires A Levels, and I do not have any intention of doing A Levels. Opinions anyone? (:
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I have a question. I'm having my SPM this year. And i'm most probably gonna start my Pre U in January next year. But if I'm doing SAM ( South Australian Matriculation ) , will I still be able to do UK Law Degree Transfer program? Because some of the UK Law Degree Transfer program requires A Levels, and I do not have any intention of doing A Levels. Opinions anyone? (:
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QUOTE(wtjun @ Oct 25 2011, 01:34 AM)
I have a question. I'm having my SPM this year. And i'm most probably gonna start my Pre U in January next year. But if I'm doing SAM ( South Australian Matriculation ) , will I still be able to do UK Law Degree Transfer program? Because some of the UK Law Degree Transfer program requires A Levels, and I do not have any intention of doing A Levels. Opinions anyone? (:
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Reason for not wanting to do A Level? Difficulty? Length? It's not that much longer, and there is no "waiting time" if you choose the right intake/dates.

SAM is most suited to Australian schools obviously, but A Levels are suited to nearly everything. That way both Australia and the UK (as well as other countries) can be considered - not that SAM will not allow you to go to the UK at all, but most of us look for two main things -> prestigious schools, and security (as opposed to uncertainty), which the A Levels or the IB can provide.

For the Transfer programmes you need to contact the relevant parties directly. And don't just believe what an agent or school counselor says, half the time they are not quite as knowledgeable as they ought to be - after all, students put in applications, and students face the consequences or learn the outcome, not them.
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I wanna ask if you can choose which university to transfer to if you take the 2 + 1 program in BAC. smile.gif
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Any recent grad from Brickfields who wants to sell me their course materials?
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I wanna ask if you can choose which university to transfer to if you take the 2 + 1 program in BAC. smile.gif
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QUOTE(wtjun @ Oct 25 2011, 01:34 AM)
I have a question. I'm having my SPM this year. And i'm most probably gonna start my Pre U in January next year. But if I'm doing SAM ( South Australian Matriculation ) , will I still be able to do UK Law Degree Transfer program? Because some of the UK Law Degree Transfer program requires A Levels, and I do not have any intention of doing A Levels. Opinions anyone? (:
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Actually signed up just to answer your question! tongue.gif

I graduated high school last year and then also took a 1 year AUSMAT course locally, the New South Wales Higher School Certificate which I just completed last month. I'm also considering taking Law and I've enquired about the UK Degree Transfer Program at a few local private U's (Nottingham, HELP, KDU, Taylor's) and all accept my HSC results because it's an equivalent to the A Level. Basically when you transfer to UK, the UK universities will look at your year 1/2 results, not at your foundation/pre-u qualification anymore. So I'd say go ahead and do the SAM if you want smile.gif
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I'm studying in ATC at the moment. I disregard doubts that this college has lost their capable lecturers. The school is reputable in this field of education and they have done so for 25 years now. Some may fret about the lack of fancy facilities such as a gym (which BAC offers) but who needs a gym? Get a Fitness First membership, I beg you. After all, you enrolled yourself to study, not to work out. ATC is proud of its library and resource center which I find is very useful. Visit us one day and see it for yourself, peeps. ATC FTW
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QUOTE(xheartmindsoul @ Aug 20 2011, 12:30 AM)
^ I'm assuming that it means your cgpa has to be higher than 2.2?

anyways, I'm thinking of transferring to MMU after my A Levels if it's possible. was wondering if that would be a good move? since MMU students are exempted from CLP. It's definitely 'safer' in my opinion. but should I take the risk of CLP? opinions please? ._.
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Hello everyone! As far as everyone know, law programs offered in private unis of malaysia focused on transferring to UK universities like Reading, Cardiff etc...

Has anyone in this forum know of or has tried law twinning program to australia? In need of some advice on that route! Thanks in advance smile.gif
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Hello everyone! As far as everyone know, law programs offered in private unis of malaysia focused on transferring to UK universities like Reading, Cardiff etc...

Has anyone in this forum know of or has tried law twinning program to australia? In need of some advice on that route! Thanks in advance  smile.gif
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QUOTE(ikeken @ Nov 29 2006, 11:02 PM)
Just to update to the latest opinion which is the best law school now. I believe many says Kemayan has degraded due to the leave of many of its capable lecturers where Brickfields sure have a high reputation in this field.

I wonder how recent is this rumour.

Edited : Sorry but it would be nice if I can edit the poll question to

' WHich do you think is the best among the choices ? '
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QUOTE(tehtmc @ Jul 18 2012, 11:34 PM)
The only twinning programme with Aussie uni is the KDU-UTAS programme.
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There is another australian law twinning program offered in inti...has anyone here encountered that? =)
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There is another australian law twinning program offered in inti...has anyone here encountered that? =)
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Can study law part time or online?
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University of London (international program) has this online program called VLE (virtual Learning program) which most of the lectures are shared online .

hence, you can study both online and partime.
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University of London (international program)  has this online program called VLE (virtual Learning program) which most of the lectures are shared online .

hence, you can study both online and partime.
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http://bac.edu.my/index.php/programmes-bac...rsity-of-london
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is anyone know anything abt law subject in inti college or sunway college?

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QUOTE(xheartmindsoul @ Aug 20 2011, 12:30 AM)
^ I'm assuming that it means your cgpa has to be higher than 2.2?

anyways, I'm thinking of transferring to MMU after my A Levels if it's possible. was wondering if that would be a good move? since MMU students are exempted from CLP. It's definitely 'safer' in my opinion. but should I take the risk of CLP? opinions please? ._.
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This is a wrong assumption to make.
It is not that MMU, UM grads are exempted from CLP at all, but that the CLP subjects are already incorporated into their degrees. That's why their law degrees are 4years also.

Just take a look in their course outline you can see clearly liao. cool2.gif


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QUOTE(JeffxMatt @ Aug 10 2011, 03:24 AM)
the polls is rather bias, u just listed the private colleges... The thing is, when you graduate from private college, you have to go through CLP, before becoming a lawyer, or so as i was told.

Students from certain Govt university such as UM UiTM, can straightaway become lawyers without going through the hassle of CLP. Their LLB is sufficient enough.

For the private colleges, their LLB isn't really recognized to fully synchronize with the, uhh, 'Malaysian situation'? (pardon me for being unable to describe it in the best of words and manner) And thus the need for CLP.

Say if you graduate from Inner Temple and you come back to Malaysia, you'll still need to go through CLP? Why? Since what you learn in England isn't sufficient as the laws, although derives from the Common Law, has evolve in out own manner and is not directly equivalent.

So back to the question of which is the best Law School in Malaysia, there is no exact answer to it to be honest. Yes the school itself is important but the student themselves is much more important. But if I have to pick, I'd say that Government Law Schools are the best rather than private Law Schools.

Well, its just my humble opinion and please do correct me if I have said something wrong. I'm just a human. tongue.gif
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once you come back from UK with an English Bar qualification (BPTC), you can be admitted to the Malaysian bar without taking CLP again la. rclxub.gif

IPTA law degrees are not superior in any way in comparison regarding CLP.

UK law 3years + 1year BPTC= 4years
UK law 3 years + 1year CLP (minimum, if pass on first try) =4years
IPTA law degree, already have CLP subjects incorporated in =4years

What's the difference except for different choices on how to qualify for Malaysian bar?

So, your humble opinion is formed from alot of misinformation. shakehead.gif



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which UNI/COLLEGE's foundation that ATC recognize for students to go for law degree at ATC after that ?

and what's the difference between ATC's law degree and Bac's law degree (i am talking about local)

any useful reply is appreciated...thx happy.gif
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I got a question guys, if i got a degree in accounting, can i enter a law degree directly or i still hv to go thru a levels?
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I got a question guys, if i got a degree in accounting, can i enter a law degree directly or i still hv to go thru a levels?
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Yes of course can.
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Doing the LLB is not the issue but it is only one of the requirements.

To be eligible to sit for the CLP, you also have to satisfy the prescribed pre-U requirement, which is STPM/A-levels or UEC.
If you only did foundation studies before doing your degree, you will not be eligible.

http://www.lpqb.org.my/index.php?option=co...d=130&Itemid=77

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QUOTE(tehtmc @ Jan 6 2013, 06:44 PM)
Doing the LLB is not the issue but it is only one of the requirements.

To be eligible to sit for the CLP, you also have to satisfy the prescribed pre-U requirement, which is STPM/A-levels or UEC.
If you only did foundation studies before doing your degree, you will not be eligible.

http://www.lpqb.org.my/index.php?option=co...d=130&Itemid=77
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QUOTE(tehtmc @ Jan 6 2013, 06:44 PM)
Doing the LLB is not the issue but it is only one of the requirements.

To be eligible to sit for the CLP, you also have to satisfy the prescribed pre-U requirement, which is STPM/A-levels or UEC.
If you only did foundation studies before doing your degree, you will not be eligible.

http://www.lpqb.org.my/index.php?option=co...d=130&Itemid=77
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Well, his question was " if i got a degree in accounting, can i enter a law degree directly or i still hv to go thru a levels?"
AND NOT "can I be eligible for CLP if i get into LLB with my accounting degree?" which will get a slightly different answer.

anyway, I'm pretty sure that LQPB will allow the accounting degree (3-5years) if you apply because it is more than the equivalent to STPM/ALevels (min 1year) requirement that you need to take CLP.

Call LQPB to verify then.

sos: [URL= http://www.lpqb.org.my/index.php?option=co...d=130&Itemid=77]LPQB[/URL]
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hi there.kdu where got expensive?if u were previously its student u can get 10%discount,plus i thk the accomodation isnt costly.correct me if i aint rite. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Legal_Eagle @ Nov 30 2006, 04:03 PM)
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i totally agree

Brickfields (BAC) has a bunch of very dedicated lecturers. i guess those who really wanna pass their law degree should be happy to hear that. im currently studying there.  biggrin.gif
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How about the lecturers at Crescendo International College??? Good?
Coz I decide to take UOL Law at there.
Can you give me some opinions? thanks! icon_idea.gif

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How about to choose KDU to study law programme? It is a nice choice?
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Some additional information to consider when choosing your law program

http://www.malaysianbar.org.my/press_state..._to_pursue.html
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Hello, my son is very interested in doing law, and he definately has a neck for it. Im sure he will make an excellent lawyer one day. Now my questions are. Where is the best place to do law locally and overseas. How much would it cost? Im planing of sending him to UK, min a year there but preferably more if possible? At this moment he is doing IGCSE. I understand its recognised as long as he does bahasa as a second language, correct me if im wrong. Anyway would very much appreciate any feed back. Cheers.
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QUOTE(sidmeyer @ Oct 16 2013, 01:22 AM)
Hello, my son is very interested in doing law, and he definately has a neck for it. Im sure he will make an excellent lawyer one day. Now my questions are. Where is the best place to do law locally and overseas. How much would it cost? Im planing of sending him to UK, min a year there but preferably more if possible? At this moment  he is doing IGCSE. I understand its recognised as long as he does bahasa as a second language, correct me if im wrong. Anyway would very much appreciate any feed back. Cheers.
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UOL is always a good choice since you want him to go overseas. There are several institutions in Malaysia that offers this

Can read more from here:

http://www.londoninternational.ac.uk/sites...-prospectus.pdf
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QUOTE(sidmeyer @ Oct 16 2013, 01:22 AM)
Hello, my son is very interested in doing law, and he definately has a neck for it. Im sure he will make an excellent lawyer one day. Now my questions are. Where is the best place to do law locally and overseas. How much would it cost? Im planing of sending him to UK, min a year there but preferably more if possible? At this moment  he is doing IGCSE. I understand its recognised as long as he does bahasa as a second language, correct me if im wrong. Anyway would very much appreciate any feed back. Cheers.
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If you plan to send him to UK, a normal UKT program is around 22-25/year, then around RM100k in the UK, (Ringgit is getting weaker, you can start buying pounds) so its around 150k, for 2+1,
A local UoL degree is around 48k

IGCSE Malay as second language must obtain A, B, OR C, to get exempted from lpqb Malay exam
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QUOTE(TheCagedBird @ Oct 17 2013, 04:38 PM)
If you plan to send him to UK, a normal UKT program is around 22-25/year, then around RM100k in the UK, (Ringgit is getting weaker, you can start buying pounds) so its around 150k, for 2+1,
A local UoL degree is around 48k

IGCSE Malay as second language must obtain A, B, OR C, to get exempted from lpqb Malay exam
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What are the advantages of UKT programme ? Isn't the same set of lecturers who run L.LB external programme also run the UKT ? What are the good places to do UKT ? Thanks.

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What are the advantages of UKT programme ? Isn't the same set of lecturers who run L.LB external programme also run the UKT ? What are the good places to do UKT ? Thanks.
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Well, it would be easier for you to continue your 2nd or final year in the UK. Although you may do the UOL ext LLB and then opt to transfer to another university in the UK, probably would be harder.

For UK LLBs:
If money is not a factor, and your a levels/stpm levels allow for it (straight As), I would naturally recommend doing all 3 years of LLB in the UK and then the BPTC.

If money is a minor factor, I would recommend the UK Degree transfer programme, (1+2 or 2+1 whichver floats your boat) and the BPTC.

If money is a major factor or you have other reasons to be in Malaysia for most part, then UOL Ext LLB or BPTC/CLP.

One of my regrets was not studying overseas (even if just for 1 year), although my parents did give me the option. But I guess I did save about RM80k of their retirement fund.
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QUOTE(alsree786 @ Oct 18 2013, 11:59 AM)
Well, it would be easier for you to continue your 2nd or final year in the UK. Although you may do the UOL ext LLB and then opt to transfer to another university in the UK, probably would be harder.

For UK LLBs:
If money is not a factor, and your a levels/stpm levels allow for it (straight As), I would naturally recommend doing all 3 years of LLB in the UK and then the BPTC.

If money is a minor factor, I would recommend the UK Degree transfer programme, (1+2 or 2+1 whichver floats your boat) and the BPTC.

If money is a major factor or you have other reasons to be in Malaysia for most part, then UOL Ext LLB or BPTC/CLP.

One of my regrets was not studying overseas (even if just for 1 year), although my parents did give me the option. But I guess I did save about RM80k of their retirement fund.
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Thanks, alsree786. If let say doing it locally, which are the good colleges to go forth from here ?
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Thanks, alsree786. If let say doing it locally, which are the good colleges to go forth from here ?
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Which college you go to doesn't really matter. What matters is which University you get into. So for example, if you want to get into say Cardiff, certain colleges may have a better track record or quota arrangements with Cardiff.
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I'm going to do a 1+2 ukt with either bac or help. Thoughts?
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I'm going to do a 1+2 ukt with either bac or help. Thoughts?
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How about the option of MMU ?
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Not a fan of government or semi-government unis, as i'm looking to transfer to the UK either in my 2nd year or 3rd.
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Not a fan of government or semi-government unis, as i'm looking to transfer to the UK either in my 2nd year or 3rd.
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What do you intend to do after you graduate ?
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What do you intend to do after you graduate ?
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I intend to be a lawyer. So, any thoughts on bac or help?
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You need to really find out between these two institutions. See for yourself after what you have gather here.
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QUOTE(BravoZeroTwo @ Oct 26 2013, 06:49 PM)
You need to really find out between these two institutions. See for yourself after what you have gather here.
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Thank you for ultimately providing me with an information total of nada smile.gif
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Thank you for ultimately providing me with an information total of nada smile.gif
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as you can read here with many different opinions given, the pros and cons of one another to the other institutions.
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QUOTE(BravoZeroTwo @ Oct 26 2013, 07:12 PM)
as you can read here with many different opinions given, the pros and cons of one another to the other institutions.
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well, search harder then as your posts over the same question are all over the places. nobody is going to tell you affirmatively exactly where to study. take it as a pinch of salt. have a great weekend searching.
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You seriously have a habit of responding to questions with totally unrelated, irrelevant answers. Or, in terms easier for you to comprehend, "jawapan anda terpesong".

eg your answer for me to enquire on people's opinion on Help or BAC is

a : Look at mmu
b: Look at pros and cons
c : search harder
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post Oct 27 2013, 07:52 AM

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if cannot take people's suggestions then don't ask questions in the forums. if don't have the maturity to comprehend then it is time to grow up. if someone tells you this is good and another tells you that's good then, what do you do ? jumping from one course to another thinking that that is not for me and this is for me for some obscure reasons it is really not a mature way of solving issues. ask yourself truthfully why did you take this course the first and now you don't like it anymore ? how sure are you this new found interest is for last ? well, your life, your call anyway.
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post Oct 27 2013, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(BravoZeroTwo @ Oct 27 2013, 07:52 AM)
if cannot take people's suggestions then don't ask questions in the forums. if don't have the maturity to comprehend then it is time to grow up. if someone tells you this is good and another tells you that's good then, what do you do ? jumping from one course to another thinking that that is not for me and this is for me for some obscure reasons it is really not a mature way of solving issues. ask yourself truthfully why did you take this course the first and now you don't like it anymore ? how. ure are you this new found interest is for last ? well, your life, your call anyway.
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I don't have to explain my choice of career to you, all I'. Aasking is for previous experiences in help or bac. NOT advice on what course to do.
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post Oct 27 2013, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(BravoZeroTwo @ Oct 27 2013, 07:52 AM)
if cannot take people's suggestions then don't ask questions in the forums. if don't have the maturity to comprehend then it is time to grow up. if someone tells you this is good and another tells you that's good then, what do you do ? jumping from one course to another thinking that that is not for me and this is for me for some obscure reasons it is really not a mature way of solving issues. ask yourself truthfully why did you take this course the first and now you don't like it anymore ? how. ure are you this new found interest is for last ? well, your life, your call anyway.
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I don't have to explain my choice of career to you, all I'. Aasking is for previous experiences in help or bac. NOT advice on what course to do.
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post Nov 2 2013, 10:01 PM

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SO now which Uni is top for Laws? Is it still either ATC or Brickfield? hmm.gif
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post Dec 25 2013, 01:55 PM

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any good Law school at Selangor??

KL always have traffic problem

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post Apr 17 2014, 05:21 PM

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I want to let go a set of Law Book Materials with CD which uses for UKT and UOL Program at Brickfield Asia College for half price. The Book Material is use for this year intake, exactly the same materials. Reason: Just signed up 2 weeks then quit the course due to personnel issue. Pick up option at KL or PJ areas.Kindly PM me.
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