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S'aimer
post Nov 24 2015, 12:53 PM

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I'm not going to encourage or discourage the TS from buying a BMW because ultimately TS has to decide if he can live with the idea of buying and servicing the car himself.

Realistically, maintaining a continental car, particularly a 2nd hand one isn't that easy as ongss has mentioned.

Sure, continental cars are great because of the driving and stability dynamics factored in, besides the brand. BUT after they are past their warranty and past 10 years, they do require a lot of maintenance & servicing time and charges.

I know this because I drive a 10 year old mercs which is a family car btw, so it's not mine. But I've seen it go to the car workshop many times (lost count how many times with my fingers) already for a number of problems and each time, it comes back from the workshop.. the bill can come up to RM1-2K+ depending on the issue.

Other than that, I would say continental cars are great to drive on the highway and city roads. This also gives you the safe feeling to drive partly because they have heavy body, steering wise is good. My only gripe is that the car side mirrors are small and non-retractable for me at least.

Other than that, if TS is totally comfortable with the cost of maintaining a 2nd hand continental car and paying off a 9 year loan (this is probably a big stretch on the expenditure IMHO), there's nothing to stop him from going ahead for it right?

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post Nov 24 2015, 04:13 PM

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Bro, I was referring to your statement in Post #268 "Having the experiences of maintaining continental cars, I know exactly how much they cost to be in good shapes." I am just expressing that the cost of maintaining an older continental car is not cheap, particularly a 2nd hand one because I can really relate to what you are saying. Of course it does depend on the age of the car and how well the owner take care of the car. My bad if I am expressing wrongly or giving the indication that you are expressing that it is easy to maintain a continental car though.

The 10 year old mercs in question is a family car so it doesn't belong to me. My parents send it to a workshop that specializes in both BMW and Mercs repair, maintenance etc. The costs is cheaper than the authorized service center charges from what I have heard, considering the Mercs has passed its warranty already. I also drive a 5-6 year old Japanese car and the maintenance interval for it is not that frequent as the merc's to be honest.

So based on that score, I believe that if TS plans to get a 2nd hand continental car, he will need to assess the condition and whether maintenance cost wise, he can really afford to upkeep for the next 9 years if he intends to get a car loan





QUOTE(ongss @ Nov 24 2015, 04:55 PM)
I am not sure which part of my post gave you an impression that I claimed it is easy to maintain a continental car. I thought I have already highlighted, to upkeep a bmw in the condition of ultimate driving machine, one needs to budget 30k for next five years for a F30 produced in 2012. I also highlighted the need of additional insurance to cover for possible damage caused by flood.

I am not sure where you send your 10 years old Merc for service and maintenance. But, I have no big problem for my 6 years old Merc.

Nowadays, modern continental cars are fitted with electronics and sensors. Independent workshops need to invest in new equipments and training in order to give proper maintenance. Trial and errors type of solutions actually cost more in terms of total ownership. For an independent workshop to have equipment and training, the charging won't be far away from the authorized service centre.

If you find out you have to send your Merc frequently to workshops, you have to ask, did the workshops you visited really know the root cause? Did they give you advices for the preventive maintenance?

For me to maintain the continental, I do a lot of preventative maintenance. When I know it is about time (based on mileage) to change absorber shock, I will change. If I don't, the ageing s absorber may impact other components of the suspension such as the arms for strut assemblies or the wheel bearing. I also send my car for wheel alignment and checking. I keep Excel spreadsheets to track the problems and the maintenance history.
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post Nov 26 2015, 02:57 PM

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The thing is, it has nothing to do with being upper or lower variants/class of the BMW cars at the moment. Whether it is a ultimate driving machine OR NOT is not the main point now. Kinda a moot thing.

The question is can TS manage with maintenance cost since he sought advice about this, besides expressing his intention to buy a 2nd hand conti car. That aside, the cost of owning one is another different matter because it all boils down to whether the buyer has deep pockets to get one.


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post Dec 2 2015, 03:52 PM

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Wobbles : The last pic is a BMW SUV right? Nice car look - I dig it though.

Anyway, it's always good to be sure that the car purchase is within one's financial ability and capability to spend within own means without getting into financial problems later on.
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post Dec 2 2015, 10:02 PM

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True. Live and love life properly.

I don't want to have heartache over financial issue even if it's because of a car purchase.

Still it's to each his or her own taste and choice in the end. So up to TS himself





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post Dec 5 2015, 09:12 PM

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Lol not that I have anything against 9 year loans. More like the interest paid out is actually more than what you paid d car for. This is why banks charge interest on top of the loan and why not? They make business this way so benefit them more.

There are few people who would service 9 year loan because they rather keep the car for 10-15 years then change cars every few years due to high car prices. Now that probably belongs to our parents' time.
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post Dec 7 2015, 06:17 PM

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*rolls eyes* come on. The example you have can be put on theory but can you really prove that it works in reality? We would believe it if you can give 100% assurance regardless of frustrated circumstances or not.

We need that example of how to utilize FD to make it actually work for us than against us as you succinctly put it.

However you forget that banks always ultimately cover their sides so anything in small print states *banks reserve the rights to change the terms etc* is an indication of legal disclaimer.

Likewise, for 9 years, anything could change

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post Dec 8 2015, 04:08 PM

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I know the topic is off track here now. I'm not particularly fond of the calculations part here cos figures aren't my forte.

For the sake of being curious, wobbles.. would you prefer to pay off the car in cash than take up loan for few years if following the logic along the way how the thread is turning out on the issue of HP loan vs FD?
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post Dec 8 2015, 10:34 PM

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Wobbles : That's interesting way of looking at own criteria for loans.

I guess you are Singaporean based on what you mention? It's harder for Malaysians to buy a car in sg based on the high COE actually. It would be alot cheaper to buy in Malaysia.

To be frank, for security safety issue (not car safety features) in Malaysia, I went with a local car for city drive only because robbery, car hijack happens alot in Malaysia. The latter happened to my relative who owned a Volvo, in broad daylight unfortunately.

Succinctly put, the loan for the car only qualified a little bit more for freebies which is kinda pathetic because the interest incurred is more than the freebies' value.

Now, if abiding by the rule that if one should be able to purchase within own means without getting into major debt.. then purchasing a car under 50k range in full is considered decent for me since I could have gone for better cars as I can afford within my means comfortably. Again, it is all how I want to justify my rationale in purchasing big ticket items as well.

So yes, it varies and depends on how the individual wants to utilize cash savings/investments/loans etc.

QUOTE(wobbles @ Dec 8 2015, 06:00 PM)
Hi S'aimer,

I'm not what you would call a typical case, but I'm more than happy to share my personal take on the matter.

I will only take up a loan if the following criteria are met:

a. I can secure a tenure of FD higher than the EFFECTIVE (not paper) rate of the HP interest rate charged

b. I will not risk losing my capital by putting it into anything that's not capital guaranteed (maybe with the exception of A or AA rated bonds)

c. The loan is necessary to qualify for special rebates or benefits - for example, the new BMW G12 740LiA which I just signed an hour ago required that I take a minimum loan of SGD60,000 of 2 years to qualify for the special discount/rebate/freebies. I agreed, because they also allowed me to sign a higher than normal deposit level onto my credit card (more Kris Flyer points)

d. If for whatever reason I wish to pay the loan back earlier, there shouldn't be any punitive measures - only the rule of 78, which is the standard clause for all early repayments in Singapore.

Car loans in Singapore are averaging 2.28% per annum, and I calculated, for $60,000, I'll end up paying about $2,750 in interest after 2 years. The truth of the matter for me is, if I paid off the car in cash (in full), I would have lost something like $40,000 in discounts and rebates and upgrades to the car, so when I did the math, it was more worthwhile for me to take up a minimum loan amount to qualify for greater savings.

Hope that helps, but that's just my personal experience.
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post Dec 10 2015, 03:32 PM

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Wobbles: Your freebies includes 3M film and eye recording camera - Best range?

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post Dec 10 2015, 06:31 PM

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Cool service valet somemore.

I'm using the 3M crystalline 70 and 40 (front & back) + Nano 40 (sides) for my small ride. So far it's not bad after nearly 2 weeks.

QUOTE(wobbles @ Dec 10 2015, 06:16 PM)
Yes, they said the camera is the original BMW front/back advanced car eye, and the solar film is supposed to be the best 3M has to offer. Crystalline something or the other. The other freebies include service valet pick up and drop off from home, courtesy cars, free service (all inclusive) for 3 years, and as what was written, umbrellas haha. Plus the cash discount, and over trade for one of my old cars (the old BMW F02) it came up to about $40,000 extra in value. Can't complain.
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post Dec 13 2015, 09:43 AM

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Well got dream to drive 'atas' symbol, chasing after own dream not that hard but it's what comes after that.

Let's not ruin the dreams of those, after all we do have our own dreams.
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post Dec 13 2015, 02:10 PM

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Actually, it also depends on the age of the car. If the car is more than 10 years old, even the car parts changes will be more frequent with time no matter how well d owner can take care of it. Hence it can be a pain in the long run since the accumulated repair costs will be costly after totalling it for the year no?

Still, if the car has had less breakdowns etc in the last 10 yeara or so on the overall, it shouldn't be a major issue with maintenance right? Do correct me on that point.
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post Dec 15 2015, 08:41 AM

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High Pay! tongue.gif What job you have that pays you well?
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post Dec 15 2015, 12:51 PM

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You got the new car already? No waiting period?

The purple trims inside look good. 3M Film up yet? Show pic of the Eye camera please

QUOTE(wobbles @ Dec 15 2015, 10:25 AM)
This is where I believe I should be spending most of my time in the new car:

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


But, a BMW is still supposed to be a driver's car, so likely I'll still spend more time behind this:

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

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post Dec 15 2015, 03:09 PM

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Wah not bad, can go to different countries already.

If a job like yours can pay this much, I want that! tongue.gif Just that I probably don't qualify for Pilot Job cos basic requirements to qualify as a pilot, must have good physical senses, no impairment. My eyesight not that good. blink.gif

QUOTE(myrancid @ Dec 15 2015, 03:37 PM)
TAXI Driver! (Helicopter Pilot) Ferrying workers and equipment to and from the offshore installations in the South China Sea. Currently base in Labuan.  smile.gif
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I'm waiting for pics remember but seriously the purple trim is a nice pop with the black interior though. Time to admire the nice cars. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(wobbles @ Dec 15 2015, 03:43 PM)
No, not yet. That's the test drive car. My car interior is mocha brown with black trim - classier than the plain black of the test drive car. I'll take photos of everything when I take delivery. Pity I can't take photos of the massage seats in action though haha.
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post Dec 15 2015, 04:22 PM

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Wow 444,888. (die die die huat huat huat?) tongue.gif

Mercs is a nice ride but I haven't experienced any other models under Mercs nor have I tried BMW out either. Just driving the family car which is the Mercs and I feel is great for solid, stable driving especially for older people who are in their 60s-70s, still driving.

As long as it makes your wife happy to drive a Mercs again, go ahead with that. (Btw, you are paying for her car or she is? tongue.gif)



QUOTE(wobbles @ Dec 15 2015, 04:59 PM)
The purple trim can be changed - it's all OLED type of mood lighting. Got orange, yellow, blue, green, purple, white and some other colors I can't remember. My X5 only had 3 choices - blue, white or orange. The new 7er has expanded it.

This is also an unusual time for me. Just a week ago after I had signed for the new BMW, I walked into the Mercedes-Benz dealership next door. I normally only buy one new car per year, but they were really giving good discounts on the S400 (non hybrid) - $444,888. Spoke to the sales person about the S400 - it's not as well spec'ed as the new 740Li - no massage seats, no panoramic sunroof, no 360° camera and no HUD, amongst other minor details, but it's a comfy ride and I think wife quite likes the idea of going back to the MB brand for the first time in a decade. If she can get back to me with a good trade in price for my X5..... I might have even more pictures to share with you guys in a couple of weeks' time!
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post Dec 15 2015, 04:32 PM

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Haha, then that should be a new marriage addendum to the vows.


QUOTE(wobbles @ Dec 15 2015, 05:31 PM)
My friend, have you not heard of the new quote in the marriage vows: "Her money is her money, my money is also her money". Huat all the way.
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post Dec 23 2015, 11:31 AM

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Wobbles: Your car is CHIO! tongue.gif

Especially so with the mood lighting. How's the eye camera functioning?

 

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