For #2 how long did it take you to gain that 10 kg?

OP please do yourself a favor and ignore this guy. Im pretty sure I'm not the only one cringing to this "he thinks he knows it all" post but looks like sh*t himself with sh*t lifting stats.

Back on the topic, 7 month seems to be pretty decent for slow bulking. When you decided to cut down, how long did it take you to go back to 65? Macros and calories? Were you lifting as hard during cutting as when you were bulking?

This post has been edited by axtray: Oct 12 2015, 07:28 PM

Here's what I think for now.

1) for your workout, you might've threw in the towel abit too early? Since you mentioned that you'll change the program if things don't work out. You should stick to a 1 program during bulk or cut since progress is not always linear. Be patient.

2) your cutting macros seems abit rushed. the mistake that i see here is that you're basing your cut based on how much weight you lose. The primary goal of cutting is fat loss not weight loss. You want to retain as much of those hard earned muscles you've gained during your bulk. if you're like what you said above, being OCD with your macros, have faith, cut down 500 cals from your TDEE and keep it up for a month. then check your weight, recalculate TDEE and repeat. you should base your progress more on visually (physcial appearance). you'll be surprised that that you might lose only 2-3 kg over a period of 2-3 months, but looking much2 more leaner. <---this one came from personal experience since I was doing the exact same thing you're doing now lol..

3) how is your rest. Are you getting enough sleep. This could affect your t levels as well.


To give you a piece of mind , go ahead and do your blood test to find out your t levels. If theyre average, then you might want to tweak your diet and training regime.

Goodluck man. Don't give up

This post has been edited by axtray: Oct 12 2015, 11:50 PM