Hi guys. Got this long long message on whatsapp. Will post it here. Tell me what do you guys think about this. Let me just stress I did not write this and I do not know who did. Just thought the writer has some valid points. Please read and let me know what you guys think
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Surat Kepada Brewer dan Tokey Vape..

1. Semua penguna vape tahu kos untuk membuat liquid tidak sampai RM5 ringgit.. Jika botol liquid di "UPGRADE" kepada botol kaca pun masih tidak sampai 1 ringgit.. kerana harga botol plastik hanyalah RM 0.70 sen dan botol Kaca RM1.50.. beza hanya 80 sen.. Tetapi harga Liquid botol plastik RM40 dan botol kaca RM50-60. Sungguh menyedihkan apabila kita menghentam kerajaan yang menindas rakyat dan zalim sedangkan banyak brewer dan tokey vape menindas komuniti vape dengan harga yang melampau2.

2. Semua tahu brewer ada resepi masing masing dan memerlukan proses peram yang lama untuk menghasilkan liquid yang berkualiti.. tetapi tahukah anda BUDU memerlukan 10 jenis bahan dan proses peram selama 40 hari minimum dan proses packaging yg setaraf antarabangsa botol kaca dan sealed dengan plastik. kapasaiti satu botol budu 250ml dengan harga RM4.50. tokey budu masih kaya. Tokey budu pun ada kilang dan pekerja juga.

3. Ramai brewer yang menyatakan bahawa flavour yang digunakan adalah dari US.. adakah kami bodoh. harga flavour US Grade di Amazon adalah 6 dolar untuk 1 OZ bersamaan 29.5ml.. atau dengan kata RM30 untuk 30ML. Satu botol iaitu 1 OZ dapat menghasilkan 7-10 botol liquid kerana bahan lain adalah VG, PG,  STEVIA, MINT, MENTHOL dan pelbagai lagi...

4. Harga 5 liter untuk PG ialah RM30 ringgit dan 5 liter VG adalah RM80 ringgit di kedai2 yang menjual bahan2 untuk membuat kek.. campuran 10 liter PG dan VG boleh menghasilkan 300 botol liquid.. dan kos hanyalah RM0.36 sen untuk 30ml.. Jika dicampur flavour US yang 'MAHAL DIKATAKAN' stevia mint menthol dan botol kaca kos masih lagi sangat murah. dibawah RM5 ringgit..

5. Jikalau harga kos dikatakan mahal untuk membayar pekerja dan kilang semua.. 'INGATLAH.. KILANG BUDU PUN PAKAI PEKERJA DAN GUNA KILANG JUGA'.. jangan sampai saya sampai libatkan botol kicap, sos cili, minyak mahal olive oil dan banyak lagi..

6. Patutlah saya mendengar cerita sampai ada tokey2 brewer pakai Lamboghini. Dan ayat paling sedap didengar ialah "JANGAN BUANG HARGA, JAGALAH SCENE VAPE KITA'... dan saya tanya andalah tokey2 dan brewer, SIAPA YANG BAKAL MEMBUNUH SCENE KITA? SIAPA SEBENARNYA? tepuk dada tanya selera.

7. Anatara isu isu besar yg dimainkan oleh kerajaan ialah isu vaping di bawah umur... SIAPA YANG MENJUAL DI BAWAH UMUR WAHAI TOKEY2 VAPE? siapa yang membunuh scene vape. DAHLAH HARGA LIQUID MAHAL WAHAI TOKEY2 DAN BREWER..

8. Keadaan ekonomi yang tidaklah berapa baik, kos sara hidup yang tinggi, harga liquid mmg tidak masuk akal. Jangan sesekali membandingkan harga liquid dengan US. kerana ingatlah harga timun sebatang di Malaysia ialah rm0.80 sen. di New Zealand RM 6 ringgit sebatang jika kita convert duit kita.. Jangan kita memandai nak convert semua benda kerana faktor ekonomi dan mata wang adalah berbeza berdasarkan keperluan ekonomi negara tersebut. Kami tidak bodoh.

9. Jika kita benci kerajaan menindas kita, pemimpin yg korup, peniaga2 yang menindas penguna.. Kenapa kami sebagai penguna ditindas dengan kejam harga yang tidak masuk akal didalam "SCENE VAPE"... yer saya ulang sekali lagi "SCENE VAPE"..

10. Saya sebagai rakyat marhaen hanya menulis untuk melahirkan ketidak puasan hati sebagai pengguna. harap2 tidaklah ada ayat2 dari pemimpin Ahmad Maslan seperti 'xmampu hisap john' 'ayam mahal makan daging' 'ikan mahal jangan makan ikan'...

11. Belum ada cukai dah mahal dan menindas. apalagi kalau kerajaan kenakan cukai.. Lagi mahal lah jawabya..

12. Please Share. Tq.. sekian terima kasih..

I have to disagree with the costing part. Brewing and testing for new flavor is time and money. Failed product also cost you time and money. Mass production equipments also increases cost.

RM8-10 per bottle instead of RM5 might be more reasonable estimates.

KGD?

if true can get cotton from that animal, i would salute the maker. how to make cotton.... not from cotton?

Hi for all who is interested in the Provari, the best deal in town Happy vaping!

My humble mod for sale : https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=3738932

kGD via a shop in Jaya. Same floor as vape Kulture at level 4. It's a phone shop and vape shop.

I asked for cotton they show a pack with KGd written. Not sure how much. I think they sell loose.

i dunno. haven't tried it, so I dunno man. But if I get some, I might be able to I think
Others love it, so I guess it must be good

I use TPA strawberry though, as it's 50% cheaper than Capella's but also because of that I couldn't taste the strawberry exhale. but meh, close enough I substitute with my own mango just to have that fruity exhale, but I guess replacing it with juicy peach or raspberry would taste just as nice.

bila nak try? hmm... Just made 100ml for a guy who I guess first believed in me and made me trust myself that my stuff is good lel

that one is true. however, that R&D cost is one-time off only. and don't forget that the failures are still vapable, and not trash. because after all, what's not nice to you might be nice to others.

if you're trying to clone some other ejuice, failures will result in inaccurate reproduction only. not unvapable ejuice. still can sell, and mixed with other failed ejuices to make something interesting. like I have a few 10ml bottles of bubblegum ejuice that were not to my liking - some peach, some just plain bubblegum, some honeydew, some orange, etc - but when mixed, it turned into a cocktail bubblegum ejuice that was sedap nak mampos

for example, I made one mountain-dew juice that is insanely cold as fak. you dry inhale (without pressing the vape button) pon sejuk!  hate that shit for a long time. then malas season came, and i was left with just that ejuice (in large quantity la, got others tapi all sikit2). my wife wanted a refill, so I gave her that one. she said FUYOH SEDAPNYE. I was like eh? lel. gave some to her brothers and her friends, semua kata sedap gila
basically even if you're selling, failed juices can still be used for your personal vaping needs.

Is this the same shop ekudz is going? Ttdi one?

Oh ok ok plaza damas. Think the shop opened for a while already. Today officiating. Update la kalau2 ada offer best2 hehe
Ty

picasso's scrap drawings were selling for millions. sure it's lesser than his paintings, but still of legendary grade.

say, you're making Suicide Bunny Original Bunny clone.

10% Vanilla Custard TFA
7% Cake Batter CAP
4% Sweet Cream TFA
4% Bavarian Cream TFA

PG/VG 35/65 12mg
and you realise you don't have enough VC TFA. so you used 5% VC and 5% dulce de leche, or 10% dulce de leche TFA.

taste is slightly different. less custard-y but more milk-y. so it won't be a real clone, but it's still vapable and still tasty. and hey, you've just made yourself an original (derivation)! so I suppose... you're an artist now

so you have 15ml of this, and then you have 15ml of unicorn milk. mix them together, so now you have this crazy creamy strawberry custard with crazy creamy custard vape. maybe too custard-y for you, so you mixed that 30ml with 30ml of peanut butter single flavour and voila! you have yourself another new ejuice - peanut butter meringue pie, an ejuice with 8-12 flavourings that has 8 different levels of taste levels (see my solera steeping post).

however you wanna put it, that's even higher than any juice that you can buy

Anyone have any experience shipping from Mt Baker Vapor by UPS to Malaysia?

please review on phillip rocke grand reserve !!!   

BKK as in Bangkok? I think e-cigs is supposed to be banned in Thailand. You can get more info here:

http://www.thailandvapers.com/

Dear all sifu,

Was planning to start vaping for the sake of quitting cigges..

Am a beginner and what is the recommended vapor with budget around 3-4 hundreds?

I am thinking IPV D2 with Aspire tank...What do u guys think?

What about the Aspire Oddyssey starter kits like below

https://vapeempire.ecwid.com/#!/Aspire-...tegory=13504701

Best place to get the above or any place I can go and check it out?

My location is in Bkt Jalil, Puchong, Sri Petaling area...

Thanks in advance

Thanks for the replied. So, as a beginner, Kangerteck Subox Mini is good???

Any places to recommend the purchase??