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post Oct 24 2015, 10:46 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 24 2015, 10:43 PM)
Yours are Asian High Yield (read: Junk bond funds)....sure lar!

Xuzen
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But over the years, how many junk high yield Asian bonds defaulted? whistling.gif
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post Oct 25 2015, 12:07 AM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 24 2015, 10:51 PM)
On a serious note, I did consider junk high yield Asian bond fund as part of my portfolio.... but crystal ball Algozen™ rejected it. It was too positvely correlated with Asia-Pac ex-Jp fund read: [Ponzi 2.0] and hence was dropped by Algozen™ in favour of equities due to better risk-adjusted return.

Xuzen
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Its due to forex whistling.gif

On the contrary, my not-so-scientific observations, when my equities dropped, my bond funds rise
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post Oct 25 2015, 01:01 AM

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2-year chart of RHB Asian Total Return vs Asian Equities vs Ponzi 2.0 icon_idea.gif

This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Oct 25 2015, 01:15 AM
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post Oct 25 2015, 08:08 AM

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QUOTE(river.sand @ Oct 25 2015, 07:18 AM)
You mean stocks? I can do so, but no point.
I bought KAREX at 2.7x, now it's 3.4x. You want to try  tongue.gif
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We both condom lovers wub.gif
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post Oct 25 2015, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(ohcipala @ Oct 25 2015, 09:24 AM)
Your ping pong biscuit still got?
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Long sold. Its my most profitable holding ever biggrin.gif
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post Oct 25 2015, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 25 2015, 10:18 AM)
xuzen, thanks. So we should set a target of profit say 15% from a particular fund and then sell to rebalance out funds. Am I right?
If it is profitable, why sell?
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IMHO don't set a target profit %.

Something may have a "fair" worth of $100.
But due to some circumstances, market priced it at $50.
U "think" that 20% gain is very good.
And u sold it off at $60.
But the "true" worth of it is $100.
And so u will miss out on the ride toward $100.

Frankly speaking, I think u have been asking too much for your own good. doh.gif
You're almost like, asking men how to date women...
When all men are different, all women are different...
The more u ask, the more u get confused, the more u dunno rclxub.gif

Just start doing it, learn as u go along, nothing will teach u as well as actual experiencing it.
u will learn to develop your own style...
u will learn how market conditions affect your portfolio...
u will learn how your buy/sell/hold decisions affect your returns...
and so on and on...

As for why I sold Ping Pong Biskut@Hup Seng shares...

Stocks =/= UTs

A stock is a share in a company
A UT fund is investing in a basket of different stocks, and that basket changes from time to time, it is dynamic

A stock can become overpriced
A UT cannot become overpriced by looking at its historical return

A $100 stock if it gives $10 dividend p.a., gives u 10% dividend yield
If that stock rose to $333 and the dividend remains the same, the dividend yield becomes 3%
And I've already made 200%+ gain on the stock value
I sold it off (i.e. cash out/take profit) to move my money to the next stock that can give me the next big profit

But a UT fund that is priced at $1.0000 one year ago
If it is priced at $2.0000 now, u CANNOT say that it is overpriced now
I won't repeat the explanation again, it's at Post #1

This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Oct 25 2015, 11:57 AM
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post Oct 25 2015, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(twhong_91 @ Oct 25 2015, 11:18 AM)
Alright, my investing strategy will be like this, investing 500 per month to a specific fund. So my concern is will they charge me 2% on every subsequent investment per month?
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Unker Looi too long-winded doh.gif

As long as u haven't achieved Silver, Gold or Platinum status, what u see on the fund info page is the sales charge that u have to pay (excluding GST). So, it's 2% + 6% i.e. to invest net RM100, u gotta pay RM100 x (2% + 6%) = RM102.12. Full stop.

And yes there's discount for new accounts.
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post Oct 25 2015, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 25 2015, 12:17 PM)
Thank you people.

I think i know what to do now. Just few more questions.
I am not working at the moment.
1) is the returns from fsm income taxable?
2) assuming (1) is yes, then will I need to declare in income tax or the returns will be auto tax (like dividends from shares)?
3) assuming (1) is yes, if I don't cash out, am I still taxable? (just holding and don't do anything)
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No, no and no.

QUOTE(river.sand @ Oct 25 2015, 12:09 PM)
Different people, different strategies. I guess you must be confused now.

I tell you what; give yourself one year, try out Xuzen's strategy. See if it works for you.
If it doesn't, change to Pinky's strategy.
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That's unfair! Why xuzen first and not Pinky first??? cry.gif sad.gif

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post Oct 25 2015, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 25 2015, 12:21 PM)
Nice. Less headache. Free money. thumbup.gif Was expecting yes.

Thank you pinky and others for your time.
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Err...I meant u no need to declare anything. Taxes, if any, would be already deducted at source.

When KLSE stocks pay dividends to the Fund, the dividends is already tax-exempt i.e. already deducted tax at company level.
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post Oct 25 2015, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Oct 25 2015, 12:43 PM)
Seriously I am amazed by the patience, dedication and effort by Pink Spider, Xuzen, Unker Looi and others in posting lengthy replies and explanations to guide the new members to FSM.

This is especially so during this weekend when the CIS of FSM are closed.
At least CIS gets paid but you guys are doing it voluntarily.

You earned my respect. How I wish some reward scheme is possible  smile.gif
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I can PM u my FSM account number...u can buy RM60 worth of CMF for me to sell and buy a bucket of beer brows.gif tongue.gif biggrin.gif laugh.gif
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post Oct 25 2015, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(ohcipala @ Oct 25 2015, 01:56 PM)
Lai lai I give you 1 like.
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


Do you mind me to PM you to ask you something?
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No need PM, just ask here.

Eh eh eh, the super loud tin kosong is here brows.gif

With his illuminati and conspiracy theories hmm.gif

Go buy physical gold and hide under your well lar...at most is some frogs will go lick 'em. Go go go biggrin.gif

And go pay for your nasi campur using gold dust whistling.gif

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post Oct 25 2015, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 25 2015, 02:51 PM)
Pinky got what startegy ar?  whistling.gif
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Portfolio approach blush.gif

QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 25 2015, 02:49 PM)
Those fund that are usually discussed here are all doing 20++% p.a. consistently for the past three years.

Those that are not performing well like those get forgotten and will never be brought up for mention.

Xuzen
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Oi don't overboast...u just giving those tin kosong chance to later say that we all are penipu yang sial... sweat.gif

10%+ got lar...where got 20%++? sweat.gif
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QUOTE(twhong_91 @ Oct 25 2015, 02:57 PM)
I see. gonna check this fund now.  thumbup.gif
nice job bro  rolleyes.gif
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Stock trading veteran also interested in UT now? hmm.gif
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post Oct 25 2015, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 25 2015, 03:11 PM)

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Lee Sook Yee only 17% p.a. for 3-year annualised! tongue.gif
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post Oct 25 2015, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(twhong_91 @ Oct 25 2015, 03:21 PM)
haha.. becoz my stock portfolio is in deep shit now. thats why need to find another alternative.  nod.gif
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But u...stock threads veteran hmm.gif

Mesti follow those "hot" trades too much sweat.gif
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post Oct 25 2015, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(twhong_91 @ Oct 25 2015, 04:37 PM)
9 out of 10.  sweat.gif

so juz put into freezer.

now trying to invest fund/UT by buying monthly.  tongue.gif
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Sky punya tipsy led u to Holland? rclxub.gif
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post Oct 25 2015, 06:25 PM

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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Oct 25 2015, 05:46 PM)
besides the few famous equity funds like Titan, Ponzi2, SmallCap, KGF, KAPTRF, I only have one bond fund ATR (10%). enough by having one bond fund in my portfolio?
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Ponzi 2 and KAPTRF overlaps, their investment mandate is quite similar
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post Oct 25 2015, 06:30 PM

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QUOTE(ohcipala @ Oct 25 2015, 05:58 PM)
Quote from Pinky, do not pick funds. Build a portfolio. thumbup.gif
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Wow u remember my words. Ayam so flattered wub.gif

Yeah, it's a futile effort trying to pick the best of funds.

Those who've been with FSM long enough should remember...

Some time ago, Pacific Global Stars is the star performer among global equity funds, CIMB Global Titans and RHB Global Equity Yield were shitty performers. At that point of time, global markets were weak, Pacific outperformed because it kept having high cash holdings, and it kept changing positions i.e. it trades quite often. It's also quite heavy in Asia ex Japan compared to the latter two.

Then this situation reversed now when Developed Markets performed strongly.

Still wanna (try to) pick the best of funds?

QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 25 2015, 06:13 PM)
Me no money now. Just asking around first. Well I will be sticking with the 4. tongue.gif
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I meant at least 4 funds, not at least 4 bond funds doh.gif
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post Oct 25 2015, 09:20 PM

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QUOTE(ohcipala @ Oct 25 2015, 08:30 PM)
Spent almost a week to finish v1 leh. Learn a lot from there, especially from you and wongseafood. You call Mr Wong sifu I call you sifu can ah? tongue.gif

BTW, v2 - v9 worth the time to read ah? sweat.gif
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No need lar sweat.gif
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post Oct 25 2015, 09:40 PM

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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Oct 25 2015, 09:25 PM)
ok will switch KAPTRF to Ponzi 2.  icon_rolleyes.gif

to earn the credit point, will switch to Kenanga Bond fund first...then only to CMF..then to Ponzi 2?

Kenanga Bond fund first...then only to Ponzi 2?
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Not familiar with credit system...go read FSM FAQ

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