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wil-i-am
post Oct 7 2015, 11:55 AM

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Any possibility for FSM to introduce promotion in sales charge in conjunction with Awal Muharam?
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post Oct 7 2015, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Oct 7 2015, 11:55 AM)
Any possibility for FSM to introduce promotion in sales charge in conjunction with Awal Muharam?
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In volatile markets like this, if you do lumpsum investments, it's better to catch the market when it's lower than when there is a sales charge discount right? usually when market is down, it's more than 1% hmm.gif
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post Oct 7 2015, 12:42 PM

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lol never heard of SC promo for Awal Muharam tongue.gif blush.gif
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post Oct 7 2015, 12:58 PM

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RHB Asian Income, RHB Asian Total Return (fixed income) they were below my radar previously. For better or worse, my prejudice with bond is that she is boring and as beautiful as my 90year old Granny. But after re looking at them, they do present some interesting numbers.

I will, in my free time, throw these numbers into algozen™ and see whether they can be part of a good portfolio or not... watch this space.

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Oct 7 2015, 11:42 AM)
Dumping in  monthly?
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post Oct 7 2015, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Oct 7 2015, 12:19 PM)
In volatile markets like this, if you do lumpsum investments, it's better to catch the market when it's lower than when there is a sales charge discount right? usually when market is down, it's more than 1%  hmm.gif
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In reality, it's not ez to catch the Lowest

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post Oct 7 2015, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 7 2015, 12:58 PM)
RHB Asian Income, RHB Asian Total Return (fixed income) they were below my radar previously. For better or worse, my prejudice with bond is that she is boring and as beautiful as my 90year old Granny. But after re looking at them, they do present some interesting numbers.

I will, in my free time, throw these numbers into  algozen™ and see whether they can be part of a good portfolio or not... watch this space.

Xuzen
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rclxms.gif I'm vested in both

Can I suggest to look into EI Asia pac shariah fund too? It's looking quite attractive even when I ignore the one off return sometime between 3-6 months


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post Oct 7 2015, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Oct 7 2015, 12:19 PM)
In volatile markets like this, if you do lumpsum investments, it's better to catch the market when it's lower than when there is a sales charge discount right? usually when market is down, it's more than 1%  hmm.gif
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what is a volatile market?do we measure volatility on a daily/weekly/monthly/annual basis or premise upon one's subjective feeling?

how do we enumerate volatilty ?is there a metric to measure volatility

thank you sir for ur reponse
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QUOTE(lizardjeremy @ Oct 7 2015, 04:19 PM)
what is a volatile market?do we measure volatility on a daily/weekly/monthly/annual basis or premise upon one's subjective feeling?

how do we enumerate volatilty ?is there a metric to measure volatility

thank you sir for ur reponse
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pardon me for butting in - interesting subject close to my heart notworthy.gif

While i agree that one can't get "the lowest low" & "the highest high"
AND buying LUMP SUM based on "volatility" is a bit.. daft..,
IMHO, there is a statistical / probability way to hedge one's investing's ins & outs.

Standard Deviation (SD in short)
If an investment's cost (usually called price) moves waaaaay too far from it's SD,
then there is a higher probability that the reverse will happen.
In simple talk - some calls this reversion to mean / "return to norm".

eg.
if S&P500 has fallen to below -2SD, probability is high that if one buys then and can hold it,
one's probability to make $ is >95% ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/68%E2%80%9395...%80%9399.7_rule )

eg2.
of course, the reverse is also true
if S&P500 has risen to above +2SD, probaility is high that if one buys then...

Again no 100% probability lar laugh.gif
but, hey, it's like a lelong or crazy cost vs value gauge.

The only issue is - does one use 1yr, 3yrs, 5yrs, 10yrs cost or price data to calculate the SD
Vs current cost or price?
Personally - i look at 1yr, 6yrs & 9yrs SD
Gives me a good idea of recent, the mid and the longer term.
Then i buy MORE (on top of my value averaging) or i buy LESS / divest & move into another investment heheh

Just a thought and open to bettering the concepts above via ding-dong (argument, discussion, blah blah tongue.gif ) notworthy.gif

This post has been edited by wongmunkeong: Oct 7 2015, 04:52 PM
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post Oct 7 2015, 05:28 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Oct 7 2015, 04:51 PM)
pardon me for butting in - interesting subject close to my heart notworthy.gif

While i agree that one can't get "the lowest low" & "the highest high"
AND buying LUMP SUM based on "volatility" is a bit.. daft..,
IMHO, there is a statistical / probability way to hedge one's investing's ins & outs.

Standard Deviation (SD in short)
If an investment's cost (usually called price) moves waaaaay too far from it's SD,
then there is a higher probability that the reverse will happen.
In simple talk - some calls this reversion to mean / "return to norm".

eg.
if S&P500 has fallen to below -2SD, probability is high that if one buys then and can hold it,
one's probability to make $ is >95% ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/68%E2%80%9395...%80%9399.7_rule )

eg2.
of course, the reverse is also true
if S&P500 has risen to above +2SD, probaility is high that if one buys then...

Again no 100% probability lar  laugh.gif
but, hey, it's like a lelong or crazy cost vs value gauge.

The only issue is - does one use 1yr, 3yrs, 5yrs, 10yrs cost or price data to calculate the SD
Vs current cost or price?
Personally - i look at 1yr, 6yrs & 9yrs SD
Gives me a good idea of recent, the mid and the longer term.
Then i buy MORE (on top of my value averaging) or i buy LESS / divest & move into another investment heheh
sirs


Just a thought and open to bettering the concepts above via ding-dong (argument, discussion, blah blah tongue.gifnotworthy.gif
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sir if sd is an indicator of the volatility of markets what is then a 'normal'market?or is there a normal market to begin with ?

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QUOTE(lizardjeremy @ Oct 7 2015, 05:28 PM)
sir if sd is an indicator of the volatility of markets what is then a 'normal'market?or is there a normal market to begin with ?
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Bro, don't be coy lar - i know U know but, for the sake of clarifications on my own thoughts:

1. SD is used as an indicator of volatility by some folks.
Note - i don't consider volatility per se, it's just movements to me

2. Normal market?
depends on the "normal" from which point of view lor
1 year movements?
5 years movements?
10 years movements?
Note - some fund houses and folks tend to state the 1 year's "average returns"+/- XX%

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so.. whatcha think on how to better invest (with higher probability) other than plodding along with DCA/VCA
+ juiced via SD?
or other methods of cost vs valuations?

This post has been edited by wongmunkeong: Oct 7 2015, 05:48 PM
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post Oct 7 2015, 06:15 PM

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is RM strengthening good for local share market?
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post Oct 7 2015, 06:25 PM

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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Oct 7 2015, 06:15 PM)
is RM strengthening good for local share market?
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Of coz
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post Oct 7 2015, 06:50 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Oct 7 2015, 04:51 PM)
pardon me for butting in - interesting subject close to my heart notworthy.gif

While i agree that one can't get "the lowest low" & "the highest high"
AND buying LUMP SUM based on "volatility" is a bit.. daft..,
IMHO, there is a statistical / probability way to hedge one's investing's ins & outs.

Standard Deviation (SD in short)
If an investment's cost (usually called price) moves waaaaay too far from it's SD,
then there is a higher probability that the reverse will happen.
In simple talk - some calls this reversion to mean / "return to norm".

eg.
if S&P500 has fallen to below -2SD, probability is high that if one buys then and can hold it,
one's probability to make $ is >95% ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/68%E2%80%9395...%80%9399.7_rule )

eg2.
of course, the reverse is also true
if S&P500 has risen to above +2SD, probaility is high that if one buys then...

Again no 100% probability lar  laugh.gif
but, hey, it's like a lelong or crazy cost vs value gauge.

The only issue is - does one use 1yr, 3yrs, 5yrs, 10yrs cost or price data to calculate the SD
Vs current cost or price?
Personally - i look at 1yr, 6yrs & 9yrs SD
Gives me a good idea of recent, the mid and the longer term.
Then i buy MORE (on top of my value averaging) or i buy LESS / divest & move into another investment heheh

Just a thought and open to bettering the concepts above via ding-dong (argument, discussion, blah blah tongue.gifnotworthy.gif
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Time to buy AmCommodities. tongue.gif
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post Oct 7 2015, 07:58 PM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Oct 7 2015, 06:25 PM)
Of coz
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Yay rejoice..my kgf will up up
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post Oct 7 2015, 08:01 PM

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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Oct 7 2015, 07:58 PM)
Yay rejoice..my kgf will up up
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gonna test 1,700pts soon whistling.gif
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Oct 7 2015, 08:01 PM)
gonna test 1,700pts soon  whistling.gif
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I cant wait..but have a feeling this is temporary..
wil-i-am
post Oct 7 2015, 08:49 PM

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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Oct 7 2015, 08:08 PM)
I cant wait..but have a feeling this is temporary..
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U could b rite or wrong brows.gif
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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Oct 7 2015, 08:08 PM)
I cant wait..but have a feeling this is temporary..
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Depends on bajet2016?
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post Oct 7 2015, 09:49 PM

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Nice increase in portfolio value these 2 days.. Hehe..


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