QUOTE(guy3288 @ Oct 12 2015, 01:43 PM)
Am doing the same now.... LOL.. fingers crossed.Fundsupermart.com v12, Najibnomics to lift KLCI?
Fundsupermart.com v12, Najibnomics to lift KLCI?
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Welcome to Holland
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Oct 12 2015, 02:46 PM
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Oct 12 2015, 02:53 PM
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FM of Titan & Ponzi 2.0, "Da'fuk! WTF suddenly so much cash coming into my fund! Mommy! What am I gonna do now?"
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Oct 12 2015, 03:09 PM
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MYR depreciated slightly today so topped up ponzi 2.0 and Titanic too
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Oct 12 2015, 03:10 PM
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Oct 9 2015, 12:28 AM) Received this email today. Guy3288, I am quoting from FSM's reply below to my e-mail. I hope this helps. Anybody can study this: RHB PRE-IPO & SPECIAL SITUATION FUND 3 (MYR class). I dont quite know what it is..Need you guys' view Is it a good UT to buy? in particular this: RHB-OSK Pre-IPO Fund (2011-2015), 4 years lock in period, 84% total returns for investors. --> The last one launched made 84% in 4 years?? 1 year average return 21%?? That sounds too good. betul kah? QUOTE Please be informed that for the sales charge will be strictly 2% in regardless of any situation as below: This means that if you invest RM100k, the sales fees is RM2000K. You have to calculate the opportunity costs of not investing the RM2000k for the next 5 years. Your actual investment is only RM98K. Situations: 1. Normal Investors = 2% 2. FSM Rewards Program = 2% (regardless silver, gold and platinum) 3. Intra switching from RHB equity to RHB equity = 2% 4. New Account Benefits buying Pre-IPO = 2% 5. Alternative transfer in from other portfolio is not allowed too. The fund is currently about 50% subscribed. Therefore they may close it before the expiry date of the IPO on 18th November 2015. Let's look at the track record of RHB's previous IPO fund. I am quoting from FSM's reply below. QUOTE RHB-OSK Pre-IPO & Special Situation Fund 2 (09/2014-current), 1 Year (as at 31st August 2015) NAV up 30.9%* (excluding cash distribution), there were 2 times income distribution been declared and the second pay-out is in the process. 2015 Q2 Cash Distribution of 1.3% 2015 Q3 Cash Distribution of 1.6% (in process) 2015 Q4 Cash Distribution is expected to continue based on the current information provided by the portfolio companies Fund Name Ex-Date Distribution Date1 Gross Income Distribution Rate Net Income Distribution Rate Net Income Distribution Rate (%) RHB-OSK Pre-IPO & Special Situation Fund 2 28-Sep-2015 28-Sep-2015 RM 0.0162 per unit RM 0.0162 per unit 1.6% RHB-OSK Pre-IPO & Special Situation Fund 2 18-Jun-2015 18-Jun-2015 RM 0.012856 per unit RM 0.012856 per unit 1.3% |
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Oct 12 2015, 03:10 PM
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Oct 12 2015, 03:19 PM
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So is the RHB PRE-IPO & SPECIAL SITUATION FUND 3 worth buying?
Strictly speaking, it is a private equity fund and NOT a unit trust. It is more like Warren Buffet's style of investing. IMHO, it is suitable for "qualified investors" who are prepared to risk it all, i.e. suffer a 100% loss of capital. Therefore this means that it should only form 5% to 10% of our total portfolio. A risk rating of 10 is not sufficient. |
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Oct 12 2015, 06:43 PM
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Oct 12 2015, 03:10 PM) Guy3288, I am quoting from FSM's reply below to my e-mail. I hope this helps. Thanks, i also enquired about that 2% fee, got same reply as you, abit disappointed.This means that if you invest RM100k, the sales fees is RM2000K. You have to calculate the opportunity costs of not investing the RM2000k for the next 5 years. Your actual investment is only RM98K. The fund is currently about 50% subscribed. Therefore they may close it before the expiry date of the IPO on 18th November 2015. Let's look at the track record of RHB's previous IPO fund. I am quoting from FSM's reply below. QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Oct 12 2015, 03:19 PM) So is the RHB PRE-IPO & SPECIAL SITUATION FUND 3 worth buying? Looks like you are considering it also. let me know if you decide to buy. Strictly speaking, it is a private equity fund and NOT a unit trust. It is more like Warren Buffet's style of investing. IMHO, it is suitable for "qualified investors" who are prepared to risk it all, i.e. suffer a 100% loss of capital. Therefore this means that it should only form 5% to 10% of our total portfolio. A risk rating of 10 is not sufficient. Suffer 100% loss i think is very very unlikely. If after 5 years no profit already jialat liao.. We are buying on FSM's reputation. If FSM bring us to holland, next time no business lo. But previous series showed very good result, same management right? |
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Oct 12 2015, 07:03 PM
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Oct 12 2015, 07:21 PM
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Oct 12 2015, 07:22 PM
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Oct 12 2015, 06:43 PM) Thanks, i also enquired about that 2% fee, got same reply as you, abit disappointed. Yes, previous RHB fund series obtained good results. Some brief insights:-Looks like you are considering it also. let me know if you decide to buy. Suffer 100% loss i think is very very unlikely. If after 5 years no profit already jialat liao.. We are buying on FSM's reputation. If FSM bring us to holland, next time no business lo. But previous series showed very good result, same management right? Pros 1. We cannot redeem within 5 years. Therefore no such thing as panic selling or making emotional decision. We cannot even check the NAV price every day if I am not mistaken. 2. Superior return and less volatile as compared to stocks and hedge funds? Cons / Risks 1. Generally all the risks are stated in the Product Highlight Sheet. 2. Cannot redeem within 5 years. Therefore we have to make sure that we have emergency fund for medical expenses, etc. 3. It is a closed ended fund and not a unit trust. Therefore there is no such thing as using DCA or Value Averaging to average down the costs of the NAV. 4. It is NOT capital guaranteed. The returns are also not guaranteed. 5. The fund is incorporated in the Cayman Islands. If things go south, I don't think even Securities Commission can help the investors. Comparison with other products 1. EPF - Self contribution maximum up to RM60K per year. Minimum statutory annual dividend of 2.5% per annum. Capital guaranteed. 2. Insurance endowment policy. Minimum lock in period of 10 years? Interest rate and bonus of about 5% (my wild guess). Capital guaranteed. 3. Fixed deposit. Current return of about 4.05% for 12 months (Maybank). Minimum deposit RM30K. Capital guaranteed. Conclusion The RHB fund aims to double its investment in 5 years. This works out to a return of about 14.87 % per annum. Roughly you expect to see about RM14,870.00 return per year for a RM100k investment. Yes, I believe it is the same management team as the previous RHB Fund. The fund managers are based in Singapore. I agree that unlikely that it will suffer 100% loss. The only downside is the 5 years lock in period without any capital guaranteed. But this is how private equity funds work apparently. So is the fund worth buying? I am not sure. See more info at http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...te-Equity--6375 |
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Oct 12 2015, 08:52 PM
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Oct 12 2015, 09:02 PM
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Oct 12 2015, 07:22 PM) Yes, previous RHB fund series obtained good results. Some brief insights:- good info Pros 1. We cannot redeem within 5 years. Therefore no such thing as panic selling or making emotional decision. We cannot even check the NAV price every day if I am not mistaken. 2. Superior return and less volatile as compared to stocks and hedge funds? Cons / Risks 1. Generally all the risks are stated in the Product Highlight Sheet. 2. Cannot redeem within 5 years. Therefore we have to make sure that we have emergency fund for medical expenses, etc. 3. It is a closed ended fund and not a unit trust. Therefore there is no such thing as using DCA or Value Averaging to average down the costs of the NAV. 4. It is NOT capital guaranteed. The returns are also not guaranteed. 5. The fund is incorporated in the Cayman Islands. If things go south, I don't think even Securities Commission can help the investors. Comparison with other products 1. EPF - Self contribution maximum up to RM60K per year. Minimum statutory annual dividend of 2.5% per annum. Capital guaranteed. 2. Insurance endowment policy. Minimum lock in period of 10 years? Interest rate and bonus of about 5% (my wild guess). Capital guaranteed. 3. Fixed deposit. Current return of about 4.05% for 12 months (Maybank). Minimum deposit RM30K. Capital guaranteed. Conclusion The RHB fund aims to double its investment in 5 years. This works out to a return of about 14.87 % per annum. Roughly you expect to see about RM14,870.00 return per year for a RM100k investment. Yes, I believe it is the same management team as the previous RHB Fund. The fund managers are based in Singapore. I agree that unlikely that it will suffer 100% loss. The only downside is the 5 years lock in period without any capital guaranteed. But this is how private equity funds work apparently. So is the fund worth buying? I am not sure. See more info at http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...te-Equity--6375 |
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Oct 12 2015, 10:56 PM
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QUOTE(adele123 @ Oct 12 2015, 10:53 PM) i kinda agree... wait for ringgit to appreciate... and 2 days up... then today down again... meh... not good enough to top up What if MYR depreciates further? The appreciation for those 2 days seem quite significant. What's your TP?This post has been edited by ohcipala: Oct 12 2015, 10:56 PM |
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Oct 12 2015, 11:02 PM
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QUOTE(ohcipala @ Oct 12 2015, 10:56 PM) What if MYR depreciates further? The appreciation for those 2 days seem quite significant. What's your TP? considering myr freefall from 3.6 to 4.4 and only back to about 4.15-ish region... i don't feel it's that significant...no TP... gut feeling... this is not share market leh... |
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Oct 12 2015, 11:24 PM
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For the near term, I'd THINK that 3.8-3.9 is "fair" for the Ringgit
I'd make my first top up when Ringgit goes BELOW 4.1 against the Dollar But then again, I'm no currency expert, just my gut feeling. Don't follow me to Holland This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Oct 12 2015, 11:24 PM |
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