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kimyee73
post Oct 9 2015, 10:43 PM

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QUOTE(dexk @ Oct 9 2015, 10:15 PM)
slowly lar bro. the climb only started this week isn't it (this whole week everyday climb). 4.4 to 4.1 in 1 week is around 8-9% in a week ler. tak kan you want 30% in a week?
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RM climb or USD drop? More like the latter.
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post Oct 9 2015, 10:45 PM

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Topped Up

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.... wondering... should i top up titanic/kgf?
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 9 2015, 10:37 PM)
Pump big her belly...

Then u are in control...u hold the chips... brows.gif

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a kid will cost at least $500K (birth to 3+1 Uni) leh..
not too logical to save pennies and be killed by the pound tongue.gif
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post Oct 9 2015, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Oct 9 2015, 10:43 PM)
RM climb or USD drop? More like the latter.
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I'm talking this week only ok. RM is up against USD, Pound, Euro, SGD. so it's RM up or USD down?
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post Oct 9 2015, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 9 2015, 10:37 PM)
Pump big her belly...

Then u are in control...u hold the chips... brows.gif

Honeymoon wedding can setel ph34r.gif
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oi oi u dun like that ah biggrin.gif later he really do that then jialat
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post Oct 9 2015, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 9 2015, 04:47 PM)
I was tempted to write a simple yes / no on the bond fund as part of the portfolio but my educationist in me compel me to write a longer "cheong-hei" piece for educational purpose.

I) Inveesting is an art. In art first we are taught to draw a line. A line is one dimensional. In investing, the first line / dimension we learn is Return of Investment (ROI) =

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II) Once we are good, we learn to draw a the width and length to make a simple diagram, e.g., a rectangle (two dimension object). In investing, the second dimension is time. ROI per annum also called Compounded Annualised Growth Rate (CAGR) / Internal Rate of Return (IRR).

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III) But in real life, object are 3D, never 2D. So in art we learn to add depth to a drawing to produce drawing and the outcome is a 3D drawing that create realism. In investing, the 3D is risk. The conventional way of measuring risk is taking the standard-deviation (Std-Dev) of a series of measurement over a defined period of time.
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Continue:

IV) Now we are aware of the 3D of investing, let's move on to the fourth dimension. In art, it is called colour... coz in the real world we look at things in colour, not grey scale. In investing, when we start putting different risky assets together, we call it a portfolio. ROI, risk are parameters that are good for choosing one single asset. But when you need to put a number of assets together, you need another parameter called correlation coefficient (greek symbol is Rho).

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Now that I have given you all the theory, let's move on to the gist of what I want to say....


RHB Asian Total Rtn and RHB Asian Income on its own are good fund if seen from its risk to reward ratio. But when I throw it into Algozen™, it got spit out because they are too highly correlated to Ponzi 2.0. Ponzi 2.0 is still by far a more superior fund compared to the RHB ones, it reject the former in lieu of for Ponzi 2.0.

In conclusion; Algozen™ still maintain Ponzi 2.0 + Titanic + small cap for the best diversification.

RHB emerging mkt bond fund is not considered at all because it does not have long track record hence automatically excluded - Avangelice you owe me a beer!

Xuzen

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post Oct 9 2015, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(dexk @ Oct 9 2015, 10:48 PM)
I'm talking this week only ok. RM is up against USD, Pound, Euro, SGD. so it's RM up or USD down?
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USD has been going down as well, so may be compound effect?
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post Oct 9 2015, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Oct 9 2015, 10:51 PM)
oi oi u dun like that ah biggrin.gif  later he really do that then jialat
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Demi maruah lelaki flex.gif

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Back to topic tongue.gif

With Ringgit (temporary) strengthening, and US stocks recovery not-so strong, I think a good time to buy more Global Titans. Let's see if this situation persists on Monday... wink.gif
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post Oct 9 2015, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 9 2015, 10:55 PM)
Demi maruah lelaki flex.gif

laugh.gif

Back to topic tongue.gif

With Ringgit (temporary) strengthening, and US stocks recovery not-so strong, I think a good time to buy more Global Titans. Let's see if this situation persists on Monday... wink.gif
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Bingo.... Just the comment I need...

RM is strengthening. If we buy today,and RM continue to strengthen against the greenback.... does it means the NAV will continue to fall? Example if top up Titanic. xD
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post Oct 9 2015, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 9 2015, 10:55 PM)
Demi maruah lelaki flex.gif

laugh.gif

Back to topic tongue.gif

With Ringgit (temporary) strengthening, and US stocks recovery not-so strong, I think a good time to buy more Global Titans. Let's see if this situation persists on Monday... wink.gif
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I am topping up on Ponzi 2.0, Small cap & Titanic on Monday!

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QUOTE(IvanWong1989 @ Oct 9 2015, 10:59 PM)
Bingo.... Just the comment I need...

RM is strengthening. If we buy today,and RM continue to strengthen against the greenback.... does it means the NAV will continue to fall? Example if top up Titanic. xD
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Emphasis on the word "temporary" bro...

Dow and S&P 500 not really flying + Ringgit strengthening/Dollar weakening = u are buying US stocks "cheaper"

2 scenarios:
(1) Later Ringgit resumes its fall = u win, Dow and S&P 500 no need fly also u gained
(2) Ringgit stabilises BUT Dow and S&P 500 resumes their bull run = u win also

I THINK the risk is worth taking icon_idea.gif
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post Oct 9 2015, 11:06 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 9 2015, 11:02 PM)
Emphasis on the word "temporary" bro...

Dow and S&P 500 not really flying + Ringgit strengthening/Dollar weakening = u are buying US stocks "cheaper"

2 scenarios:
(1) Later Ringgit resumes its fall = u win, Dow and S&P 500 no need fly also u gained
(2) Ringgit stabilises BUT Dow and S&P 500 resumes their bull run = u win also

I THINK the risk is worth taking icon_idea.gif
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hmm.gif digesting the meaning of the words. LOL...

I think I understand... haha..

Was seeing from ringgit dropping point of view... Didn't take into account dow's side... hmmmm....interesting...
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post Oct 9 2015, 11:06 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 9 2015, 10:51 PM)
Continue:

IV) Now we are aware of the 3D of investing, let's move on to the fourth dimension. In art, it is called colour... coz in the real world we look at things in colour, not grey scale. In investing, when we start putting different risky assets together, we call it a portfolio. ROI, risk are parameters that are good for choosing one single asset. But when you need to put a number of assets together, you need another parameter called correlation coefficient (greek symbol is Rho).

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Now that I have given you all the theory, let's move on to the gist of what I want to say....
RHB Asian Total Rtn and RHB Asian Income on its own are good fund if seen from its risk to reward ratio. But when I throw it into Algozen™, it got spit out because they are too highly correlated to Ponzi 2.0. Ponzi 2.0 is still by far a more superior fund compared to the RHB ones, it reject the former in lieu of for Ponzi 2.0.

In conclusion; Algozen™ still maintain Ponzi 2.0 + Titanic + small cap for the best diversification.

RHB emerging mkt bond fund is not considered at all because it does not have long track record hence automatically excluded - Avangelice you owe me a beer!

Xuzen
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Hahahahaha I owe you a beer then buddy! Thank you for the insight though. Looks like I'm heading to the right track.
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post Oct 9 2015, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 9 2015, 11:02 PM)
Emphasis on the word "temporary" bro...

Dow and S&P 500 not really flying + Ringgit strengthening/Dollar weakening = u are buying US stocks "cheaper"

2 scenarios:
(1) Later Ringgit resumes its fall = u win, Dow and S&P 500 no need fly also u gained
(2) Ringgit stabilises BUT Dow and S&P 500 resumes their bull run = u win also

I THINK the risk is worth taking icon_idea.gif
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wah, what happened to the 3rd scenario? RM continue to climb/USD continue to fall and KLCI continue to rally? or even the 4th scenario, US growth story fail to take off. DJIA today = 17088, 52 week high = 18,351, 52 week low = 15,370. what is the upside for DJIA compare to the risk?

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post Oct 9 2015, 11:12 PM

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post Oct 9 2015, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(dexk @ Oct 9 2015, 11:07 PM)
wah, what happened to the 3rd scenario? RM continue to climb/USD continue to fall and KLCI continue to rally?
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RM continue to climb? I think many think that the MOST RM can go against USD is 3.80 hmm.gif

Read the Fed's words...

US is actually in quite a good position now, they basically CAN raise rates now, but they CHOSE not to cos:
(1) they wanna keep US exports competitive
(2) they wanna avoid "hot" money flushing back to US uncontrollably
(3) if (2) happens, emerging markets die, effect of which will eventually flow to US businesses (e.g. Chinamen stop buying Pradas, Guccis, Nikes, Chevrolets etc, who will die?)

IMHO KLCI is back to fairly valued territory already, esp the blue chips/large caps
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post Oct 9 2015, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 9 2015, 11:13 PM)
RM continue to climb? I think many think that the MOST RM can go against USD is 3.80 hmm.gif

Read the Fed's words...

US is actually in quite a good position now, they basically CAN raise rates now, but they CHOSE not to cos:
(1) they wanna keep US exports competitive
(2) they wanna avoid "hot" money flushing back to US uncontrollably
(3) if (2) happens, emerging markets die, effect of which will eventually flow to US businesses (e.g. Chinamen stop buying Pradas, Guccis, Nikes, Chevrolets etc, who will die?)

IMHO KLCI is back to fairly valued territory already, esp the blue chips/large caps
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of course there is are reasons they chose not to. isn't it bad enough if you buy Monday and RM goes from 4.1 to 3.8? anyway, i'm also watching this GTF and RHB big cap china. so tempted to go in couple of weeks back (as posted here then). if I had, it would have been neutral I think. GTF lost, and big cap china gain.
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QUOTE(dexk @ Oct 9 2015, 11:24 PM)
of course there is are reasons they chose not to. isn't it bad enough if you buy Monday and RM goes from 4.1 to 3.8? anyway, i'm also watching this GTF and RHB big cap china. so tempted to go in couple of weeks back (as posted here then). if I had, it would have been neutral I think. GTF lost, and big cap china gain.
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post Oct 10 2015, 07:17 AM

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Ringgit strengthening is in large part due to the news of TPPA, right? I suspect it will run out of steam very soon.
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Oct 10 2015, 07:17 AM)
Ringgit strengthening is in large part due to the news of TPPA, right? I suspect it will run out of steam very soon.
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And oil recovering toward USD50...

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