QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 28 2015, 10:21 AM)
calm down la buddy. these new guys just seeking free advise and do not want to do their research and still ask stupid questions.
Nvm larLet the newbies be my punching bag
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Oct 28 2015, 10:25 AM
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 28 2015, 10:23 AM) Yeah, but what happen in scenario A say after 6 months, the NAV becomes RM1.0000 again? 200000 units x RM1.0000 = RM200000? %, percentage, peratusOr what happen if after 6 months, the NAV becomes RM0.2000? 200000 x RM0.2000 = RM40000 You didn't include in time in the example above. That could be correct if directly straight after distribution. But what happen say after 6 months? Everything changes after a certain time. Please explain with time factored in. Don't think if RM, think in % Market rally 10% NAV increase 10% NAV dulu RM1 Now RM1.10 If got split/distribution NAV dulu 50 sen Now 55 sen Now this is not even about investment or finance, it's basic maths and logic I repeat, PERCENTAGE I stop here. This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Oct 28 2015, 10:26 AM |
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Oct 28 2015, 10:30 AM
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Read 3 (iv) in Post #1 til u get it
If u got the diligence, go Google more on this, learn what is UT, how is NAV price calculated etc etc etc If lazy, just read and memorise this - distribution/dividend/unit split/bonus units got ZERO impact on your value of holdings Don't come counter this simple logic and math with bent logic Sekian trimo kasi This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Oct 28 2015, 10:31 AM |
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Oct 28 2015, 10:46 AM
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QUOTE(IvanWong1989 @ Oct 28 2015, 10:39 AM) not to say i didn't do my research. Distribution does does not dilute your valuei understand that when there is distribution. it means nothing. as my total value already inside remains the same. just the units get diluted. I got confused on the buying part. maybe can say my math fail. but yes I got confused and I asked. Sorry bout that. If increases your units And it ALSO reduced the value of each unit Chinese call this, lam pa pa lan Cantonese call this, 1 c0ck colour Ali, Bala, Calvin and Dinesh invested RM10,000 each in Ponzi 3.0 After distribution, they all still hold RM10,000 each (25% each) Esther then wanna join in the party, and invested RM10,000 Now they all hold 20% (RM10,000 / RM50,000 x 100%) of Ponzi 3.0 If no distribution... Ali, Bala, Calvin and Dinesh invested RM10,000 each in Ponzi 3.0 Esther then wanna join in the party, and invested RM10,000 Now they all hold 20% (RM10,000 / RM50,000 x 100%) of Ponzi 3.0 DON'T BOTHER ABOUT UNITS This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Oct 28 2015, 10:48 AM |
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Oct 28 2015, 10:56 AM
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Oct 28 2015, 10:47 AM) Typical produce of our broken ahdoi-ka-shun (education) program + handouts/crutches program. U know lar...pho bo lotsa beef...beef is heaty...energy banyak lo Salute the bros & Pinky repeating the same thing again & again (good stamina from Vietmoi? |
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Oct 28 2015, 10:58 AM
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Oct 28 2015, 10:56 AM) Ahem... the person who is challenging the basic principle of unit trust investment is also someone whom I remember saying "ASX is equivalent but more superior than fixed deposits" And do u remember I crash the ASX party explaining the profit-smoothing technique employed by those fixed-price funds? So honestly, I'm not surprised and I would just ignore. I've given up highlighting to people that it's clearly stated in ASX master prospectus that neither the capital nor the dividends of the funds are guaranteed... so seriously, which part of it looks like FD other than you can redeem immediately |
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Oct 28 2015, 11:08 AM
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Oct 28 2015, 11:05 AM) Yaya... and they pretty much ignored it altogether... Those ppl, all they care is they got their dividen/BR1M/handouts/goodiesActually it could be a loss-smoothing too you know Boss, you are accountant by profession right? Go and read their financial statements, it's eye opening They never wanna learn what is happening in the background, what they got themselves into, the implications etc And they scream and shout when their MLMs, Genneva Golds etc went bust And I just realised that Ramjade asked the SAME questions in ASX thread... Ok, make this my weekend entertainment This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Oct 28 2015, 11:11 AM |
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Oct 28 2015, 11:10 AM
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Oct 28 2015, 11:17 AM
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 28 2015, 11:12 AM) Sorry bro, Pinky Spider My mistake. I think I start to understand about what's posted on front page. I never said FD>ASXIt might not be highlighted in the MP about capital and dividends guaranteed. Well I list it out how it's equivalent and superior to FD. 1) You buy and sell at RM1/unit. You tell me how can your capital is not guaranteed unless pnb goes kaput? 2) FD interest most is 4.X%. ASX FP have been giving out consistent 6.x% per year. Yes is not guaranteed the dividends but think, if they give less than that, how many people will pull out? Now, we can't have that can we. Besides they have reserves to give consistent returns to during bad times. 3) National interest bro. We can't let something happen to national interest can we? So now you have it, capital is "protected". "Consistent" of >=6.X% returns per year for >10 Years. What more you want? May not be FD, but it looks like FD. But I said MANY Variable Price funds like UTs could > Fixed Price funds like ASX ASX gave u 6% p.a. for many years now, yes But go see historical performance of superstars like Kenanga Growth Fund, AMB Dividen Trust, Eastspring Equity Income and Affin Hwang Select Opportunity, and yeah those are 100% equity funds U may even compare against less volatile Balanced Funds like RHB KidSave Trust, Affin Hwang Select Balanced/Select Income. Yes, there are ups and downs. But in the long term? Bagai Man City vs Sunderland U pay for your (false sense of) stability with lesser returns Sorry Sunderland fans This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Oct 28 2015, 11:18 AM |
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Oct 28 2015, 11:21 AM
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Oct 28 2015, 11:39 AM
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Oct 28 2015, 11:37 AM) You know, with this speech the unit trust agents can go sell VP funds from the better performing fund house jor.... to the people who are heavily invested in ASX Lose money is easySome days I do feel like I want start providing unit trust portfolio set up and monitoring service to people, ever since I started doing it for my mum, cos it's not difficult really; and as long as I can beat ASx and public mutual net of fees, people would love me But I say only... very scared to lose other people's money Let people chase 9 streets asking why u lost their money is another I also tried selling FSM to my friends 1 of them, savings account also kena research for months, spent toll and petrol just to find the bank that can give extra 0.x% returns, e-FD pun tak berani put Another...rather go to an agent...cos ada lenglui agent belanja yamcha at fancy café...maybe got nice longkang to peek So I gave up on my friends, their money their problem This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Oct 28 2015, 11:41 AM |
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Oct 28 2015, 11:58 AM
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I'd say, u got nothing to gain
If they profit, at most they treat u one bowl kari mee If they loss, they curse your momma scold your father Not worth the trouble |
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Oct 28 2015, 12:22 PM
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Oct 28 2015, 12:40 PM
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Oct 28 2015, 01:09 PM
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Oct 28 2015, 01:05 PM) Totally... that's why I didn't do it although a friend say why not and was willing to pay a fee for it Well, FSM will only remit to a bank account under the accountholder's name, so there's no risk. Worst that can happen is u sell all their profitable funds and keep their rubbish funds. Kasi sabo But for my mum and sibling, different story la. Even mother in law I'm reluctant This is how I do it, for those who might want to go into it. I open a FSM account under their name, let them determine the password, all personal details is linked to theirs so that if touchwood anything happen (like we are no longer in speaking terms, touchwood no longer around), then they can just change the password that I know and continue to run with it. Bank account details also theirs, so if I want to take the money for personal gain also cannot Then they bank in the money and I put through all the instructions like normal lor. If I charge a fee, I will put through sell order then they will pay me after they receive the money. And for the fixed return annually mutually agreed, I'll put in sell order and they get their annual ASx like 'dividends' But if you turn pro, Xuzen's wrapped account may be more advantageous from transaction fee perspective. Or u show hand their funds on AmPrecious Metals This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Oct 28 2015, 01:09 PM |
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Oct 28 2015, 01:09 PM) "sell" in English can also mean "sell" an idea, i.e. give a suggestion...need not involve a consideration Eh yala yala, aku ni interested party kasi Tin Kosong syiok sikit QUOTE(ohcipala @ Oct 28 2015, 12:47 PM) in Tin Kosongat least when u whack it got sound, super loud wan some more better than dump in salty water sea, *bop* saja lost outa sight This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Oct 28 2015, 01:15 PM |
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CMF needs T+2 to get the funds
What if u need urgent funds on weekend/public holiday? eFD safest, u just need log in and uplift, then go ATM withdraw |
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Oct 28 2015, 02:23 PM
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Oct 28 2015, 02:12 PM) Isn't Pinky's idea the same as mine? I probably learned this trick from him over the years also.... Excluding FDs and savings account fundsIdeally CMF should not have a lot of funds, because one should stay fully invested other than for emergency funds; but I'm too haphazard and sometimes just keep it in CMF when I don't feel like I should buy anything (because it was too high, or it's falling My investment and investable assets ratio is now 29%: bond funds + cash in CMF + cash in stock trading account 71%: equity funds + KLSE stocks IMHO must always have some cash to take advantage of bargains |
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So many of u got waifu already
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