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post Feb 2 2016, 10:06 AM

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Hi Guys,

need some advice for the new rig. please advice me what to get

[Budget] 3000 - 4000

[Purpose] Normal Browsing, Movies, Game

[Hardwares that will be re-use] Harddisk

[Monitor resolution] Dell S2340L

[Games & softwares that use frequently] Dota 2, Rise of Tomb Raider, some strategy game.

[Personal preferences] Rig what can put few Hard disk, Play middle range of high end game. focus more on GPU, Processor and ram. getting a good rig

[Location] KL
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post Feb 2 2016, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Feb 2 2016, 11:00 AM)
Haha, "ling" sounds weird because we already familiar with full name "lingloong", just like his shop DotaTech, we cannot just say Dota without Tech right haha  laugh.gif
Intel Core i5 6500 - RM 842
Gigabyte H170-HD3 (D4) - RM 486
Kingston 8GB DDR4 2133MHz Value RAM - RM 196
MSI GTX970 4GB GDDR5 Tiger - RM 1535
Seasonic M12II EVO 620W - RM 363
Thermaltake Versa H25 - RM 185

Total: RM 3607 (ETech price inclusive of GST)

You can max out your budget by,
1. Getting a 240GB SSD
2. Upgrade to i7 (might not be very useful in gaming now due to lack of hyperthreading technology implementation but more future proof, so don't expect you will see lots of improvements in frame rate if you choose this path)
3. Upgrade to 16GB RAM (not necessary if you aren't using > 8GB RAM)
4. Swap to AMD R9 390X (around 25% faster than GTX970 in terms of raw performance)

You can get free Rise of the Tomb Raider (Steam copy) by purchasing a qualified Nvidia card (GTX970 and above), register your serial number and proof of purchase on respective participating manufacturer site to redeem.
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Bro,

thanks for your recommendation. i do have PSU already. if i want to upgrade to I7 any recommendation processor to reduce hassle free in it. I heard Xeon Processor E1234 something like that which is higher then I7 is that recommended? i see that is some soft of cheaper then I7 and it is usually server processor.

btw my desktop hardly turn off as it will be sharing around with my bro on gaming .
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post Feb 2 2016, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Feb 2 2016, 12:25 PM)
What PSU model you have now?

There is only 1 Skylake i7 variant which is i7 6700.

If you switch to Skylake Xeon, you need to change the mobo as well because only C232 chipset mobo can use Skylake Xeon.
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i think is silverstone ST60F-EBS or ST70F-EBS

but skylake should be very expensive right? any recommend mobo + processor is within the budget?
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post Feb 2 2016, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(Minecrafter @ Feb 2 2016, 12:55 PM)
Unfortunately, Intel destroyed the option of getting an i7-like performance with the Xeon build starting from Skylake. sweat.gif The motherboard options for Xeon Skylake is limited, i think. Esepcially here, where only 2 are available..and they both cost RM669 and RM726 AFAIK. Add up the Xeon E3-1230 V5 plus one of those motherboards, still cost around RM30-100 more than an i7 6700 + MSI B150M Bazooka D4.
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Oh. noted. But this mobo is it good on putting extra hard disk inside? As I need a mobo that allow me to put at least 3 hard disk Inside. Lazy to use external. Haha
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post Feb 2 2016, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Feb 2 2016, 01:57 PM)
Don't worry, current gen mobo (mATX and ATX) comes with at least 5 SATA ports for your SSD/HDD/ODD.
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Great. So the suggestion for me on processor and mobo?
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post Feb 2 2016, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Feb 2 2016, 02:38 PM)
If you aren't fancy on those extra features and aesthetic purposes then mobo choice can remain the same.

Intel Core i5 6500 - RM 842/Intel Core i7 6700 - RM 1299
Gigabyte H170-HD3 (D4) - RM 486

Total: RM 1382/1785 (ETech price inclusive of GST)

If you plan to go for Xeon then,

Intel Xeon E3 1230 V5 - RM 1211
ASRock E3V5 WS - RM 669 (support Skylake Intel Core i series CPU too)

Total: RM 1880 (ETech price inclusive of GST)
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actually is that huge different on Xeon or i7? for future purpose which wan is more worth??
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post Feb 2 2016, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Feb 2 2016, 03:20 PM)
i7 6700 still ahead of Xeon E3 1230 V5 due to higher clock speed.

By judging at the price of Xeon + C232 mobo, i7 + B150 is more worth in terms of price/performance.

There are many Xeon variants and we only talked about one of them (1230v5) which has the closest performance with i7, those expensive high end Xeon E5 models are packed with multi-cores and are made for workstation.
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as i not going to overclock anything. the best thing is still getting a Xeon + C232 Mobo?

do you heard Gainward before? any recommend graphic card for the spec i getting?
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post Feb 2 2016, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(Andrew_1980 @ Feb 2 2016, 04:04 PM)
I prefer get i7 combo.

With i7 rig, common GPU is GTX970 or above. But still depends on your usage and budget, isn't using GTX970 to play mini game? laugh.gif
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haha. i do agreed. i think i7 combo should be must more better.
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post Feb 2 2016, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Feb 2 2016, 04:00 PM)
Read my statement again, I am saying i7 6700 is ahead of Xeon E3 1230 V5 due to higher clock speed, this is non-oc vs non-oc speed (stock speed).

So getting i7 6700 + B150 is more economical.

Gainward is no longer in Malaysia, don't get any of their leftover stock if you are worried about warranty (according to Idealtech boss a.k.a zhen^wei).

GPU choice is listed in my first quote, please check it out.
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Yes, you are correct. i7 6700 and 6700k what is the difference since the price is rm 200 different
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post Feb 2 2016, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Feb 2 2016, 04:50 PM)
K CPU is unlocked for overclocking "naturally" but due to some glitch (again), non-K CPU can also be used to overclock via BCLK overclocking.
Your current casing form factor is ATX?
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Thanks guys. very helpful knowledge on this. i will go grab something tonight or later on smile.gif
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post Feb 2 2016, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Feb 2 2016, 04:50 PM)
K CPU is unlocked for overclocking "naturally" but due to some glitch (again), non-K CPU can also be used to overclock via BCLK overclocking.
Your current casing form factor is ATX?
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can i ask which brand of graphic card is better in term of performance or value for money. that is too much brand in the market that offer 970.

beside MSI. which other brand can recommend? EVGA? Asus? Gigabyte?
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post Feb 2 2016, 11:53 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Feb 2 2016, 06:15 PM)
If you can increase your budget to slightly over 3k, then get this.

Intel Core i5 6400 - RM 828
Gigabyte H110M-DS2 (D4) - RM 290
Corsair 8GB DDR4 2133MHz Value RAM - RM 200
Zotac GTX960 2GB GDDR5 ITX - RM 849
WD Blue 1TB HDD - RM 215
FSP Hexa+ 550W - RM 189
TP-LINK TL-WN881ND PCI-E WiFi - RM 58
Thermaltake Versa H25 - RM 170
Acer S230H FHD - RM 399

Total: RM 3198 (Techview price inclusive of GST)

If cannot, downgrade the CPU to i3 6100.

As for sound card, I suggest you to use the built in one first as your budget is not able to fit it, high end sound card can cost you a bomb.
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Bro. Want to ask with i7 6700 what gigabyte mobo is suitable for me?
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post Feb 3 2016, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Feb 3 2016, 09:11 AM)
It's 6th gen (Skylake) vs 4th gen (Haswell).

Performance difference isn't huge between them but you get DDR4 support by going 6th gen and some of the improvements from Skylake.

If you want to save money, get 4th gen, no problem there, it can save you < RM 100 (most likely).
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Thanks your recommendation. any place able to get graphic card that you quoted? i checked All It yday it is much more expensive on the price that you quoted.

btw sorry for asking what is different on H170 Gaming 3 with Killer Lan port. is that good? as yday the sales person asking me to that this mobo instead of B150. but price is different RM 200++ just wondering is that worth or not? for wireless networking as my current use
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post Feb 3 2016, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Feb 3 2016, 11:31 AM)
I stated in the quotation, the price is from ETech, you can find the shop in Kepong.

ETech Lelong

ETech FB

Not worth if you aren't using any of the extra features offered by this mobo, the H170-HD3 mobo I suggested is enough for your normal usage.

Killer LAN port is just a market gimmick to solve gaming lag, nothing special if you are going to use WiFi.
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lesson learned smile.gif thanks bro, another quick question what is MSI Tiger and MSI Gaming since the price is 200 different only. which i thinking getting gaming instead of tiger and asus 970 all is much different lol.

For Ram is it compatible if i use back my old comp ram ADATA 8 GB DDR4, 2133 SODIMM? or i should get UDIMM ram?

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post Feb 3 2016, 12:26 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Feb 3 2016, 12:24 PM)
MSI Gaming comes with Twin Frozr cooler and is the highest end GTX970 card for MSI brand, that's why price is more expensive, both of them are GTX970 so performance will be almost identical, the Gaming version might have a higher clock core which yields slightly higher FPS than the Tiger version, but whether it worth the extra RM 200, it depends on you, if you have budget then go for it, if no then just get the Tiger version, you can overclock manually to match what Gaming version can offer.

If you want to save money, no need to look for Asus Strix, MSI Gaming, Gigabyte G1 Gaming/Xtreme, EVGA card.
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Noted, thanks for the advice. how about ram? if i use back my old comp ram ADATA 8 GB DDR4, 2133 SODIMM? or i should get UDIMM ram?

i was thinking getting zotac geforce GTX 970 4gb GDDR6 256 bit. since same function with MSI right?

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post Feb 3 2016, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Feb 3 2016, 12:29 PM)
SODIMM RAM? That's for laptop one, you need DIMM RAM (UDIMM is also DIMM, U means unbuffered).

Which Zotac version of GTX970? They have reference, AMP, Extreme, Extreme Core etc.
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Zotac Normal version which is 1454 only. otherwise will be AMP level.
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post Feb 3 2016, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Feb 3 2016, 02:56 PM)
I see, dual fan version right? Can, no problem, but remember ask for stock status and latest price, sometimes they might forget to update it  nod.gif
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haha. yes but i damn attract on taking MSI 970 gaming due to free Rise of the tomb cd key. do you think worth enough?
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post Feb 4 2016, 01:18 AM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Feb 3 2016, 06:10 PM)
Zotac card also got free Rise of the Tomb Raider key, you just need to register the product and upload proof of purchase in the redeem portal here to get the code, same goes to other brands.

As I said earlier, if your budget allows to get the MSI Gaming card and you are going for aesthetic purpose, go and get it.

* Aesthetic is priceless *  laugh.gif
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This is so nice of your sharing. just hope to get some graphic card that able to get free game smile.gif haha. was thinking MSI but since Zotac brand is not bad might jsut get it

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