Guys if I can find some cheap 2nd hand
i5-2nd gen + mobo + 8GB ram + etc...

and put a what u guys typically recommend
Zotac GTX960 2GB

It should perform similar to a i5-4gen right?
from all the reviews i read the 2gen are not too bad in terms for performance.

been looking at the WTS section for a good deal, but hard to find

This post has been edited by Leon be here now: Oct 21 2015, 11:25 PM

Popular choice you guys keep recommending - FSP Power Supply
RM180 - 1 year warranty
FSP Power Supply HEXA+ Series 550W (HEXA+ 550)
http://www.lelong.com.my/fsp-power-supply-...7-01-Sale-I.htm

Hydance power by Seasonic - price similar + longer warranty
3 year warranty - woot woot!!
Seasonic HY500CT - RM 170
Seasonic HY600CT - RM191
http://www.lelong.com.my/seasonic-hy600ct-...7-01-Sale-I.htm

Which is better Hydance or FSP?
The real Seasonic is more expensive

GTX 960 vs R9 380

Seems GTX 960 RM800 is a very popular choice
-120W

R9 380 is faster and prices very similar RM805
http://www.lelong.com.my/sapphire-r9-380-2...5-12-Sale-P.htm
-faster then GTX 960
-190W

Why not recomend R9 380 instead? getting a slightly bigger PSU at extra +70W is probably worth it.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming...iew,3107-3.html
"
That increase is enough to put the 380 ahead of Nvidia’s GeForce GTX 960 in just about every one of our benchmarks at 1920x1080 and 2560x1440. Here’s the thing, though—in some games, you might get away with playable frame rates on QHD displays. We’re still saying these boards are better for 1080p though, particularly if you insist on cranking up the detail settings like we do.

The GeForce is a more efficient card, and is only rated for 120W to the Radeon’s 190W. But at the same $190 street price, AMD does play value to its benefit more effectively, scoring our recommendation this month.
"

This post has been edited by Leon be here now: Oct 26 2015, 10:48 PM

R9 270 - RM 543
R7 370 - RM 615
GTX 950 - RM 700
GTX 960 - RM 800
R9 380 - RM 805

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming...iew,3107-3.html
"
Nvidia’s GeForce GTX 950 employs the company’s GM206 GPU—the same one found in GeForce GTX 960. It turns some of the processor’s resources off though (two SMMs, to be exact), resulting in a configuration of 768 CUDA cores, 48 texture units and 32 ROPs.
"

GTX 950 is expensive in malaysia >RM700+

R7 370 starts from RM615 performs below GTX 950

http://www.lelong.com.my/zotac-gtx-950-2gb...6-08-Sale-P.htm
http://www.lelong.com.my/sapphire-r7-370-2...5-12-Sale-P.htm


Then again the old R9 270 is cheap still - RM 543
performs similar to the R7 370
http://www.lelong.com.my/powercolour-r9-27...5-10-Sale-P.htm


I think better buy
R9 270 RM 543 or R7 370 RM615
skip the GTX 950 upgrade to
GTX 960 RM800 or R9 380 RM805

comments and feedback is appreciated on my analysis
I am aware of ATI consumes more power, for me buying a larger psu is cheap then getting a more expensive graphics card

I am going to build a machine to run only GTS V
right now I have settle on 260x as its cheap RM430 and performs similar to 750 ti - RM 570
which does 60fps at fhd

maybe I would upgrade to a R9 270 since its only RM543 cheaper and faster then 750 ti

This post has been edited by Leon be here now: Oct 26 2015, 10:53 PM

AMD's Radeon + i3 not a good match at least not to run GTA V not sure if it will apply to D2.
Currently looking PC to run GTA V and though you guys might be interested.

look at the graphs below link, better to get a GTX 750 ti for the same price
else get an i5, seems not much difference for i7 in GTA V

I would think D2 would not be as intense as GTA V, and a less graphics card probably do the job.
Have to google for to find out.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalf...nd-theft-auto-5
"
At this point, it's no real secret that Nvidia's driver eats up less processor time than the AMD equivalent - something that's crucially important on lower-end PCs with less capable CPUs. This is important. AMD's Radeon R9 270X is an excellent card - almost 40 per cent more powerful in GTA 5 than the GTX 750 Ti in a quad-core system, and only a few pounds more expensive than the 750 Ti when it's on sale. However, on a dual-core Core i3 system, the stutter is extreme and minimum frame-rate isn't just lower than the GTX 750 Ti, it's lower than the R7 260X too. AMD makes some excellent hardware, but until the DX11 driver issue is resolved, we can only recommend Nvidia cards for PCs with lower-end CPUs.
"

Anyone seen and cheap Skylake mobo in Malaysia yet?
I mean the H110 Chipset? Newegg sells from US55 = RM240
Only seen B150 which is over RM400

Oh nice.

any reason no one recommends these?

there is the typical
haswell + H81 chepo mobo from RM230

why not pair one of these skylake with these RM330 mobos, not much different from H81, typical user dont need the extra usb , ram, pci ports/slots

a typical haswell i5 built, will need to topup around RM320 to DDR4 + skylake, which is a lot better put that money to better graphics card.

now if it was DDR3 + i5 skylake + H110 mobo, the top up is RM140,
i think some mobo support both ddr3 OR ddr4. not sure if they in malaysia.

oh ic, good point

how about low voltage ddr3 its very similar in prices as normal ddr3

I been thinking of changing my heatsink fan too, i figure any aftermarket should be better then stock, my is noisy too.

What are your thoughts on the bellow budget cooler
RM 47.00 - RM50+
COOLER MASTER HYPER 101
http://www.lelong.com.my/cooler-cpu-cooler...6-09-Sale-P.htm

Else maybe upgrade, but its getting kind of expensive
RM83- RM 87
Cooler Master Hyper TX3 EVO
or
Cooler Master Hyper 103

then it gets more expensive, i will probably avoid the below as not oc
RM120- RM145
Cooler Master Hyper T4
Cooler Master Hyper 212X

May i make a suggestion for GTA V
i3 with mid range ATI is not a good match during intensive gaming it will lag, normal driving around is ok.
read below article
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalf...nd-theft-auto-5

1920x1080, console settings, FXAA. Core i3 4130 (Low/Avg FPS)
GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB [?] 31.0 / 42.2
Radeon R7 260X 2GB [?] 28.0 / 38.6
Radeon R9 270X 2GB [?] 25.0 / 48.9

lol 270x is worse then 260x in minimum frame rates, both worse then 750ti

either pair a
i3 with GTX 750 save ???
i3 with GTX 750 Ti add +RM40 (if u chose value ram and 400W psu you dont even need to top up)
i5 + 260X add +RM150
i5 + 270 add +RM300 (performance gap between 260x/750ti to 270 is large worth considering)

use value 8gb ram save -RM30, if choose 750ti can even save more (RM20-30) money with 400W PSU.

This post has been edited by Leon be here now: Nov 13 2015, 05:14 PM

I think i got my math slighly wrong, maybe terence can verify

i3 with GTX 750 save RM70 (lower performance)
http://www.lelong.com.my/leadtek-winfast-g...5-11-Sale-P.htm
i3 with GTX 750 Ti add +RM40 (if u chose value ram and 400W psu you dont even need to top up)
i5 + 260X add +RM200 not RM150
i5 + 270 add +RM300 (performance gap between 260x/750ti to 270 is large worth considering)

use normal value 8gb ram save -RM30 u will not know the difference,
if choose 750ti can even save more (RM20-30) money with 400W PSU.

Not sure about call of duty if its better on nvidia or ati or can it even run on i3 coz some game requires i5,
someone else can answer this question
or google yourself

do you intend to upgrade the system in the near future?
i3 with GTX 750 Ti will fit your budget and will have better performance compared to i3+270
but that means its not upgrade friendly $$ wise (you need to upgrade CPU + graphics card next time)

else stick with i3+270 and upgrade only cpu later.
if u intend to upgrade stay with the suggested PSU.

RM 429.00
Samsung 850 EVO 250GB SSD
http://www.lelong.com.my/samsung-850-evo-2...5-12-Sale-P.htm

SanDisk X300 128GB SSD RM 170.14 free delivery
With coupon and cash back RM211-30-10.86=RM170.14

http://www.lazada.com.my/sandisk-x300-25-1...bs-5253753.html

for coupon/cashback read first page
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3778793

going to use Macrium or clonezilla to clone my netbook.

lelong is more expensive coz it does not have coupon or cashback.

Seller only has 1 left, but there are other sellers on lazada for slightly more expensive.

256mb version also available, but i would rather pay the extra RM50 and get the samsumg evo instead.

make sure you buy from local supplier with Local Supplier Warranty

Hi A friend has ask me to help them look for a 2x computer
1x Office
1x Home and simple/medium Gaming
Location = Taiping Perak

Since its a considered a low end system, I opted to buy a pre made PC as it seems cheaper, not to mention hassle free.
I have narrow it down to the 2 bellow

============= OFFICE ==============
RM 975.20
[25/01] Lenovo ThinkCentre Edge 73 10AS00BDMA PC
-Lenovo
-G3240
-2gb
-500gb
-DOS
-3 year warranty
http://www.lelong.com.my/25-01-lenovo-thin...6-07-Sale-P.htm

- 3 year warranty, less hassle if anything goes wrong.
- i will add another 4gb ram total 6gb
- looks like a full size tower easy customization CPU can be upgraded if needed later
- atx PSU can easily replaced if anything goes wrong.

Now i need to find Ori Windows. Im still new in lowyat assume below all good sellers for Ori OS?

iampokemon
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3443547
ctlim1
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3034728
jasonsuna1
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3617950

I was thinking of choosing Windows 7 or 8.1, they just need something stable office environment.
What you guys think?
Not sure if Windows 10 is suitable for them.
-Just dont like the idea of windows force updates and can potentially screw drivers and other stuff.
-Big Brother mentality, scanning system.
-Cortana which they will not use and probably slow their system

Or just buy the slightly more expensive i3 Asus PC below, but less warranty 1 year compared to 3. really like the 3 year warranty tho.

- For their normal office environment, I dont think they can not tell the difference between a Pentium G3240 vs i3-4160, I rather spend the money on an 120GB SSD instead and extended warranty instead.

============= Gaming ================
RM 1,259.00
ASUS K31AD-BING-MY001S I3-4160 2GB 500GB W8 PC

-Asus
-i3-4160
-2GB
-500GB
-Windows 8
-1 year warranty

http://www.lelong.com.my/asus-k31ad-bing-m...6-08-Sale-P.htm

- i will add another 4gb or 8gb RAM
- looks like a full tower easy customization CPU can be upgraded if needed later
- looks like an atx PSU with 250 watt
- i think i can get away by puting a GTX 750 ti with out changing PSU.
- BUT for the price of a 750ti I can get a R9 270 which has amazing value for money, but i will need to upgrade the PSU.

------ PSU upgrade option ---------
RM 140.98
FSP HEXA+ SERIES 400W 80 PLUS POWER SUPPLY (HEXA+ 400) 80+
http://www.lelong.com.my/fsp-hexa-series-4...7-01-Sale-I.htm
RM 164.30
FSP Power Supply HEXA+ Series 450W (HEXA+ 450)
http://www.lelong.com.my/fsp-power-supply-...7-01-Sale-I.htm
RM 183.38
FSP Power Supply HEXA+ Series 550W (HEXA+ 550)
http://www.lelong.com.my/fsp-power-supply-...7-01-Sale-I.htm

I think I can get away with 400W and save??
The PC with no graphics is not going to use more then 100W, r9 270 is not going to use more then 150W, total 250w max, is my assumption correct?


============================================
I have also concidered the blow but it not made my shortlist
coz Win10, slimPC, slightly more expensive.

RM 1,378.00
[25/01] Acer Aspire AXC705-4170W10 PC *i3/2G/500G/Win10*
i3-4170
2gb
500gb
Win10
3 year warranty
slim PC not easy customise later
http://www.lelong.com.my/25-01-acer-aspire...6-10-Sale-P.htm

This post has been edited by Leon be here now: Feb 16 2016, 03:06 PM

I need to buy 2 rigs, not 1
1x for office
1x for home/game

ITX rig is probably going to cost more. they dont mind a normal tower pc or mini tower size, as long as mobo are standard size and PSU are also standard size.

This post has been edited by Leon be here now: Feb 16 2016, 08:39 PM

No can do ITX and carry every day. Absolutely need 2 rigs.

Can someone confirm i3-4160 iGPU 520 is faster then GT 730 1GB DDR5?

I think what we will do for now is just get an i3 for very basic gaming. I saw youtube people i3-4160 iGPU playing games on HD720p and very low settings, frames are ok.
They will settle for his for now as they really don't want to spend much money at this point, they can always save up and get a 750ti later on. or better yet PSU + R9 270(if still available in future), currently 750ti and r9 270 same price.

------------------- its looks cheaper to buy pre made and less hassle
RM 1,259.00
ASUS K31AD-BING-MY001S I3-4160 2GB 500GB W8 PC

-Asus
-i3-4160
-2GB
-500GB
-Windows 8
-1 year warranty

http://www.lelong.com.my/asus-k31ad-bing-m...6-08-Sale-P.htm

-RM100 - i will add another 4gb RAM

Ops I was confused i3 gen4 and 6,
i3 skylake with HD530 is that similar to GT730/740 then?

Oh I though prebuilt was cheaper, I was aware of would be getting unknowed mobo, hdd, weak PSU. but the ori OS is kind of good.

Let me try to figure this out
Looking at your previous post recomendation and http://www.lelong.com.my/merchant/easyit2u.htm
I have compile the following what you think?

------------- cheap basic iGPU gaming later upgrade GPU ----------

Intel Core i3 4170 - RM 476
Asrock Intel H81M-VG4 - RM 202
Kingston 8GB DDR3 1600MHz Value RAM - RM 168
WD Blue 1TB HDD - RM 215
DVD ROM - RM 60
FSP Hexa+ 450W - RM 166
Armaggeddon Nanotron T1x - RM85 - cheapest on ETech.
Keyboard/Mouse Logitech MK200 - RM 63
Windows 8.1 pro OEM Ori Lowyat Garagage Sale (iampokemon) - RM 95
Labour for someone to build PC/install OS estimate - RM 80
Courier charges for all item estimate - RM50 - Taiping Perak

Total: RM 1660 (ETech price inclusive of GST)

Changes I have done to your earlier recommendation are:
Changed the mobo to the cheapest one Asrock Intel H81M-VG4, no longer need micro mobo
I opted for the cheapest Case at RM85, spec still functions, is there much difference coz people normally recommend that RM125 Cooler Master case before?
Ori Windows is from Lowyat Garagage Sale (iampokemon)
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3443547

optional skylake upgrade:
Intel Core i3 6100 - RM 485
Gigabyte H110M-DS2 (D4) - RM 289
Kingston 8GB DDR4 2133MHz Value RAM - RM 196
Pay extra RM 125 difference

Reason not upgrade skylake:
-Dont think there is much benefit in terms of gaming on iGPU intergrated.
-Better save and invest in an graphics card later?
-CPU upgrade path, in few years time 2nd hand prices of i5 gen4 should be cheaper/more available compared to i5 gen6

Reason to upgrade skylake:
-very marginal iGPU intergrated gaming incress coz of faster ddr4 ram.
-future proofing? cheap mobos H81 vs H110M still has the same limits?

------------- Compaired to Prebuild -------------

RM 1,259.00
ASUS K31AD-BING-MY001S

-Asus
-i3-4160
-2GB
-500GB
-Windows 8
-1 year warranty
http://www.lelong.com.my/asus-k31ad-bing-m...6-08-Sale-P.htm

-RM92 - i will add another 4gb RAM
-RM31 - courier charges

Total: RM 1380

Save RM 280 compared to Custom Built.

Pro:
- Save RM280
- Hassle less,
- Easy Factory OS restore function in require reformatting.

Cons:
- 1 Year Warranty only (else 1-3 year parts)
- 6GB instead of 8GB
- 500GB HDD instead of 1TB
- i3-4170 vs i3-4160 Only 0.1GHZ slower
- mobo unknow
- PSU 250W unknown
- No factory reset function.
- OEM Win8 from lowyat may have issue

---------------------
It seems Custom is RM280 more expensive but I think its worth it, i get more longer warranty, more ram, larger hdd, large psu, easy replaceable mobo.

Budget OC here?
Any one experience with simple stock OverClocking?

Intel Pentium G3258 has a stock HSF - copper/aluminum heat sink 95W TDP the same as stock i5/i7/Xeon
Asrock H81M-VG4 (cheapest H81 mobo, that support G3258)

I just want to overclock using stock HSF and stock voltage maybe increase very slightly eg 1.2v.
I be happy if i get from 3.2ghz to 3.8-4ghz in malaysia weather? any more is a bonus

Asrock H81M-VG4 said support G3258, i assume it can able to change multiplier and voltage? not doing to do anything more complicated then that.

This post has been edited by Leon be here now: Feb 19 2016, 08:42 AM

Thanks for tip
what voltage did you use to get 4.4? if its stock voltage then you just won the chip lottery.
did you use cheapo H81 mobo too?

i was going to get a Intel Pentium Processor G3460 at 3.5ghz with aluminum hsf
but then saw G3258 was only Rm11 more also better copper hsf, if i can get 3.8-4ghz on stock voltage and hsf, i am already happy

g3258 at 4ghz is very similar in i3 in normal office performance (mozilla, html5 etc...), so i think its very good bang for buck

SDD help decide

need decide quick need to confirm order today/tomorrow.
-simple office use condition.
-must be reliable, less break down history
-speed not a concern as its ssd its already fast enough
-prefer cheaper if possible but not as important as reliable.

Here is my shortlist from the supplier whom going to built my PC (not much choice)
RM 209 Kingston HyperX Fury 120GB
RM 220 SAMSUNG 2.5” 650 SERIES 120GB SSD
RM 249 TRANSCEND 370S SERIES 128GB

I assume all are 3 year warranty.
Kingston Hyper x is cheap any good? but dont trust Kingston SSD since V300 bait/switch
Samsung 650 (3D V-NAND) not much is know with this product, but its samsung should be reliable?? probably bit slower
Cant find liteon 120GB version from my supplier

May concider upgrade.
RM 402 LITEON 900S 256GB SSD SATA3 (PX^^SCS-256L9S)
RM 396 LITEON 2.5“ MU2 240GB SOLID STATE DRIVE (PX-PE3-CE240)
RM 405 Kingston HyperX Fury 240GB SSD SATA3 (SHFS37A/240G)

I could possibly buy SSD from another supplier if price is right, eg Sandisk, Liteon, evo 120gb version
any recommendation welcome.