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post Dec 1 2006, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(Glassy @ Dec 1 2006, 01:52 PM)
Ouch, no practice writing Moral essays at all? Bad game.

Anyway, whether you use "perlu" or "patut" or "seharusnya" or "sepatutnya", it matters. Goodness knows what I was thinking, I wasn't paying much attention on them. I believe if the examiners of the paper find it wrong, they'll just disregard the entire sentence completely. No marks for that sentence.

How can kesederhanaan relate to Skim Cepat Kaya? >_< Bersikap tidak keterlaluan? Tanpa mengabaikan kepentingan diri dan orang lain?

I did Rasional, Berdikari and Mematuhi Peraturan dan Undang-Undang for that. I think Mematuhi Peraturan dan Undang-Undang should be acceptable, because Skim Cepat Kaya is against the law, no? So anything to do with the skim would be against the law.
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What has the skim cepat kaya got to do with berdikari??
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QUOTE(~~5ive~~ @ Dec 1 2006, 01:55 PM)
harus and patut play the main role? I tot it supposed to be the nilai.
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It doesn't play a main role, it's one of those minor things which we rarely pay attention to but has the potential to screw us up really badly.

indiagnoziz, they will read and take into account up till your 3rd nilai, if the question asks for 2 nilai. If the question asks for 3, they'll read up till your 4th one. This applies for structure as well, they will read any ONE extra answer which you include, in addition to the answers you've already given.
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QUOTE(Glassy @ Dec 1 2006, 02:01 PM)
It doesn't play a main role, it's one of those minor things which we rarely pay attention to but has the potential to screw us up really badly.

indiagnoziz, they will read and take into account up till your 3rd nilai, if the question asks for 2 nilai. If the question asks for 3, they'll read up till your 4th one. This applies for structure as well, they will read any ONE extra answer which you include, in addition to the answers you've already given.
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mayb scheme change this year, since we really have a lot of changes.

Btw, if the patut and harus really important, then i screwed it.
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Vint, I did Berdikari because I felt that Pak Zin should be self-reliant and work on his own to get money, and not rely on get rich quick schemes to become rich. The question asked for what values Pak Zin should practice when faced in the given situation.

Kesederhanaan on the other hand, I need someone to explain how to elaborate and relate to the situation, because I did consider using it, but had no idea on how to relate to the situation, so I did Berdikari instead.
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post Dec 1 2006, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(Glassy @ Dec 1 2006, 02:01 PM)
It doesn't play a main role, it's one of those minor things which we rarely pay attention to but has the potential to screw us up really badly.

indiagnoziz, they will read and take into account up till your 3rd nilai, if the question asks for 2 nilai. If the question asks for 3, they'll read up till your 4th one. This applies for structure as well, they will read any ONE extra answer which you include, in addition to the answers you've already given.
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i dont believe the examiners are that evil. not everyone was taught that the words mattered, at least i wasnt taught that. if they are going to mark you wrong because of that sort of error, they should just name the paper Bahasa Melayu instead. They would mark us on our values and the ideas given, not the stupid language.

Its kesederhanaan because
1) you cannot want so much money, greediness.
2) it will affect your loved ones, if you see the adverts for this skim cepat kaya, their money usually all lenyap so the family members also affected.

yeah?

This post has been edited by julnoel: Dec 1 2006, 02:04 PM
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QUOTE(julnoel @ Dec 1 2006, 02:03 PM)
i dont believe the examiners are that evil. not everyone was taught that the words mattered, at least i wasnt taught that. if they are going to mark you wrong because of that sort of error, they should just name the paper Bahasa Melayu instead. They would mark us on our values and the ideas given, not the stupid language.
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well, they are not evil but they have to obey the rules. rules is still rules.
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post Dec 1 2006, 02:06 PM

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QUOTE(~~5ive~~ @ Dec 1 2006, 02:04 PM)
well, they are not evil but they have to obey the rules. rules is still rules.
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its not about rules, its really at the discretion of the markers. if they are going to screw you because of ONE WORD, then its just unjust and unfair. We were not taught to write essays BASED on words/grammar/vocab or whatever, we were taught to write based on the nilai's that we learnt.

It is stated in the front page of the exam, that you have to answer BASED ON the syllabus for Pendidikan Moral SPM. Not Skema Jawapan.


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QUOTE(Criptonox89 @ Dec 1 2006, 01:26 PM)
hha.....we're Pangkor too.....6/7/8....

bwsides...what would you all expect BIO paper 3 question?
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we`re ? what do u mean by that ?
aiyohhh....u all when go book the trip 1 ?
cuz me and my friends oso going there...
but my friend la...tupid la..go book last week no place ad now....
we oso intend to go at 6,7,8 leh.....
how much ?
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QUOTE(julnoel @ Dec 1 2006, 02:03 PM)
i dont believe the examiners are that evil. not everyone was taught that the words mattered, at least i wasnt taught that. if they are going to mark you wrong because of that sort of error, they should just name the paper Bahasa Melayu instead. They would mark us on our values and the ideas given, not the stupid language.

Its kesederhanaan  because
1) you cannot want so much money, greediness.
2) it will affect your loved ones, if you see the adverts for this skim cepat kaya, their money usually all lenyap so the family members also affected.

yeah?
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For the sake of my own grade, I sincerely hope that you are correct. If it makes all of you [and myself for that matter] feel any better, I took private tuition from a VERY experienced Moral teacher for a few months, and he didn't mention a thing about it. I figured if it was important, he'd probably have mentioned it.

Kesederhanaan, hmm? Well, I guess I do see the reasoning behind it. The second reason is a bit too shaky for my liking though. Regardless, to his each own.
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As long as you can relate the nilai to its reason,you might get it correct.Anyway, my teacher told us that normally 1 essay question will have around 4-5 suitable nilai.
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btw....to be true....
my moral teacher is the one who mark the spm paper 2 years ago....
mayb u guys think that 2 years is old ....
but recently...be4 the exam..
the new examiner did come to our skool and say....
esei muz ikut the PATUT or BOLEH or HARUS....

so...sry guys for those who didnt did this....

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btw....to be true....
my moral teacher is the one who mark the spm paper 2 years ago....
mayb u guys think that 2 years is old ....
but recently...be4 the exam..
the new examiner did come to our skool and say....
esei muz ikut the PATUT or BOLEH or HARUS....

so...sry guys for those who didnt did this....

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post Dec 1 2006, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(Glassy @ Dec 1 2006, 02:08 PM)
For the sake of my own grade, I sincerely hope that you are correct. If it makes all of you [and myself for that matter] feel any better, I took private tuition from a VERY experienced Moral teacher for a few months, and he didn't mention a thing about it. I figured if it was important, he'd probably have mentioned it.

Kesederhanaan, hmm? Well, I guess I do see the reasoning behind it. The second reason is a bit too shaky for my liking though. Regardless, to his each own.
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They CANNOT do such a thing because of ONE word ok. Already they make us hafal the shit nilais, now they want to mark us down if we use the wrong words? This is a good paper for OCD inflicted people, every BOLEH and TETAPI or what they notice.

Moral =/= Penaakulan Matematik/mantik
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QUOTE(jason18689 @ Dec 1 2006, 02:11 PM)
btw....to be true....
my moral teacher is the one who mark the spm paper 2 years ago....
mayb u guys think that 2 years is old ....
but recently...be4 the exam..
the new examiner did come to our skool and say....
esei muz ikut the PATUT or BOLEH or HARUS....

so...sry guys for those who didnt did this....
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I SHOULD EAT
I CAN EAT
I MUST EAT

main message = EAT
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However, I must admit, Moral Studies is generally a very particular paper. The keywords of the definitions must be exactly identical, and even more so, the actual names of the values.

Yeah, very OCD-ish, come to think about it.
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QUOTE(julnoel @ Dec 1 2006, 02:13 PM)
I SHOULD EAT
I CAN EAT
I MUST EAT

main message = EAT
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errr...meaning....you dunt believe it ?
its ur choice...
but i hope that there are many ppl who dont did wrong....
cuz...if it is....PASSING MARK WILL DECREASED !!!!!!!
EVERYONE GET BETTER GREDS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cheer up...

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QUOTE(julnoel @ Dec 1 2006, 02:13 PM)
I SHOULD EAT
I CAN EAT
I MUST EAT

main message = EAT
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but these 3 words serve different meaning wink.gif

if i don't remember wrongly, though mine was stone age (2003), my teacher did stressed out the importance of the words. smile.gif Well, evolution happens everyday. So, cheer up! biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(jason18689 @ Dec 1 2006, 02:06 PM)
we`re ? what do u mean by that ?
aiyohhh....u all when go book the trip 1 ?
cuz me and my friends oso going there...
but my friend la...tupid la..go book last week no place ad now....
we oso intend to go at 6,7,8 leh.....
how much ?
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Well, plz dun off topic.

QUOTE(Glassy @ Dec 1 2006, 02:08 PM)
For the sake of my own grade, I sincerely hope that you are correct. If it makes all of you [and myself for that matter] feel any better, I took private tuition from a VERY experienced Moral teacher for a few months, and he didn't mention a thing about it. I figured if it was important, he'd probably have mentioned it.

Kesederhanaan, hmm? Well, I guess I do see the reasoning behind it. The second reason is a bit too shaky for my liking though. Regardless, to his each own.
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well, if like that, without scheme, i believe most of the value can be accepted. then wat is the purpose? the purpose if let us follow the scheme. it is the style of malaysia education system.

of coz, i dun like this too. Im wrong too. But fact is still the fact, it is untwistable.

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QUOTE(fruitie @ Dec 1 2006, 02:17 PM)
but these 3 words serve different meaning wink.gif

if i don't remember wrongly, though mine was stone age (2003), my teacher did stressed out the importance of the words. smile.gif Well, evolution happens everyday. So, cheer up! biggrin.gif
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I know it serves different purposes but the main message is there. to eat.
and no its not that i dont believe or what but yeah trying to be optimistic here.
and never was i marked down in my paper bcos of a few words and my teacher is an examiner too. MAYBE if your definasi or nilai YES they will mark you down, eg : Kepercayaan PADA tuhan, instead of KEPADA yes i am aware that they will mark you down but not for the essays.

yup?

This post has been edited by julnoel: Dec 1 2006, 02:19 PM
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Anyone wanna complain in newspapers....this is really stupid!!!


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