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post Jun 19 2022, 09:55 PM

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Bear markets and recessions happen more often than you think

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Retail traders who drove meme frenzy bail out in bear market

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post Jun 25 2022, 10:53 PM

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Hi everyone, I am in the midst of opening a CDP account with SGX. (Yes, I already found someone willing to provide an SG mailing address for corporate actions.)

One question for those with CDP accounts in SG:

For those who have foreign stocks/bonds/ETFs paying dividends/interests/coupons periodically in USD or EUR etc. and assume you opted for the CCY (currency conversion service), how's the exchange rate quoted by CDP? Is it mid-market rate and competitive enough versus money changes/Wise/Revolut/Youtrip?

My SG friend only sticks to SGD-based products, so he doesn't know about how good are CCY forex rates versus market.

Thanks for info. smile.gif
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post Jun 25 2022, 10:53 PM

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post Jun 25 2022, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Jun 25 2022, 10:53 PM)
Hi everyone, I am in the midst of opening a CDP account with SGX. (Yes, I already found someone willing to provide an SG mailing address for corporate actions.)

One question for those with CDP accounts in SG:

For those who have foreign stocks/bonds/ETFs paying dividends/interests/coupons periodically in USD or EUR etc. and assume you opted for the CCY (currency conversion service), how's the exchange rate quoted by CDP? Is it mid-market rate and competitive enough versus money changes/Wise/Revolut/Youtrip?

My SG friend only sticks to SGD-based products, so he doesn't know about how good are CCY forex rates versus market.

Thanks for info. smile.gif
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You should get more response in hardwarezone forum Money Mind. If don't use CDP convert service the dividend in non-SGD they can send to your linked SG bank account hmmm. Me only SG stocks so no experience

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post Jun 25 2022, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(sgh @ Jun 25 2022, 11:21 PM)
You should get more response in hardwarezone forum Money Mind. If don't use CDP convert service the dividend in non-SGD they can send to your linked SG bank account hmmm. Me only SG stocks so no experience
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Ah thanks for reminding me about HWZ. Didn't have an account over there though, but will do a quick search.

If you look at CDP FAQ page: https://www.sgx.com/cdpfaqs

Scroll to "Currency Conversion Services (CCY)",

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9. Can I select a non SGD or multi-currency bank account?

No, as per the criteria for DCS, you can only select a Singapore-dollar bank account.


I wished CDP can offer direct foreign currency payments to DBS multicurrency account or Wise's multicurrency account, but that is not feasible. For now they only offer 2 choices: either they use CCY by converting using HSBC's (CDP partner bank) rate which I am not sure how "competitive" they are or I have to receive in foreign cash which sits inside my CDP's foreign currency balance and...

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To withdraw this foreign cash distribution, you may request for a one-time telegraphic transfer (TT) to any designated bank account. Please note there is fee of S$35 (subject to prevailing GST) in addition to applicable receiving bank charges per TT transaction. To request for TT, kindly complete and mail this form back to CDP.


35 SGD is pretty expensive for small-amount transactions in sub-1k SGD range.

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post Jun 26 2022, 10:32 AM

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Searched around and finally found info on FX spread, anecdotal evidence though: https://www.valuebuddies.com/thread-10143-p....html#pid159002

HSBC's USD/SGD forex rate spread is around 1%.

So if purchase Astrea 7 class B bonds, assume SGD appreciates 1% p.a. against USD plus 1% markup by HSBC every coupon payment and the final principal return, then my returns would be on par with class A...


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post Jun 26 2022, 02:30 PM

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Was looking at T-bills, SGS bonds and SSB bonds.

The most recent 6-month SG T-bill cut-off yield is 2.36% p.a. https://www.mas.gov.sg/-/media/MAS/SGS/SGS-...1581578EE0031EA

Looking at a 6-month Malaysia bank FD rate is only 2.45% p.a. by CIMB eFD. https://www.myfdrates.com/, similar MGS yields are also around 2.7% p.a. https://www.bnm.gov.my/government-securities-yield

How come the yield spread is so little? dwRK No wonder capital outflow from Msia.

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post Jun 26 2022, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Jun 25 2022, 11:28 PM)
Scroll to "Currency Conversion Services (CCY)",
I wished CDP can offer direct foreign currency payments to DBS multicurrency account or Wise's multicurrency account, but that is not feasible. For now they only offer 2 choices: either they use CCY by converting using HSBC's (CDP partner bank) rate which I am not sure how "competitive" they are or I have to receive in foreign cash which sits inside my CDP's foreign currency balance and...
35 SGD is pretty expensive for small-amount transactions in sub-1k SGD range.
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No wonder CDP most ppl basically SGD stock. Think for Msia CDS which is Spore CDP equivalent also same? These entities are very local country bias actually. That is why for non-Spore stocks we use other brokers seldom use CDP to hold stocks.
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post Jun 26 2022, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Jun 26 2022, 02:30 PM)
Was looking at T-bills, SGS bonds and SSB bonds.

The most recent 6-month SG T-bill cut-off yield is 2.36% p.a. https://www.mas.gov.sg/-/media/MAS/SGS/SGS-...1581578EE0031EA

Looking at a 6-month Malaysia bank FD rate is only 2.45% p.a. by CIMB eFD. https://www.myfdrates.com/, similar MGS yields are also around 2.7% p.a. https://www.bnm.gov.my/government-securities-yield

How come the yield spread is so little? dwRK No wonder capital outflow from Msia.
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Try not to compare based on percentage becuz currency depreciation for MYR bad. Say Msia FD give until 5-6% means more? Well if that earned interest can buy a lot of things ok but can buy so little after FD mature. My past experience with Msia FD. E.g you use how much MYR to get USD to buy stocks in IBKR versus I use how much SGD to get USD etc

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post Jun 26 2022, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(sgh @ Jun 26 2022, 02:34 PM)
No wonder CDP most ppl basically SGD stock. Think for Msia CDS which is Spore CDP equivalent also same? These entities are very local country bias actually. That is why for non-Spore stocks we use other brokers seldom use CDP to hold stocks.
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Don't know about CDS in Malaysia, since I don't invest via Malaysia securities market.

However, I am aware that CDS in Malaysia does not hold bonds, unlike Singapore's CDP. So I plan to make good use of CDP for bond investments. tongue.gif

I actually plan to start with bonds first. Astrea bonds, possibly Temasek bonds and of course, SGS bonds, SSB and SG T-bills.

What concerns me is the 1-1.5% FX spread that HSBC levied for direct crediting service to my CDP account... since I plan to purchase foreign currency bonds (e.g. Astrea 7's class-B USD bonds) in the future.

Will continue to buy stocks via IBKR (custodian account) for now since the charges for SG stocks via CDP is still quite expensive (10 SGD purchased via DBS Vickers upfront, sold at 8.8 SGD via FSM SG).
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post Jun 26 2022, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Jun 26 2022, 02:30 PM)
Was looking at T-bills, SGS bonds and SSB bonds.

The most recent 6-month SG T-bill cut-off yield is 2.36% p.a. https://www.mas.gov.sg/-/media/MAS/SGS/SGS-...1581578EE0031EA

Looking at a 6-month Malaysia bank FD rate is only 2.45% p.a. by CIMB eFD. https://www.myfdrates.com/, similar MGS yields are also around 2.7% p.a. https://www.bnm.gov.my/government-securities-yield

How come the yield spread is so little? dwRK No wonder capital outflow from Msia.
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probably link to inflation and gdp...

outflow not linked to this lah imho... after songlap by jholow, et al... and katak gov... instability no good for business... y'all also withdrawing from epf go offshore mah... hahaha

but why diy bonds... lol... next time dump in cpf enough lah...

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post Jun 26 2022, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Jun 26 2022, 03:01 PM)
probably link to inflation and gdp...

outflow not linked to this lah imho... after songlap by jholow, et al... and katak gov... instability no good for business... y'all also withdrawing from epf go offshore mah... hahaha

but why diy bonds... lol... next time dump in cpf enough lah...
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Next time may be 5 years later already. tongue.gif Too bad WHP pass not eligible for CPF even though I want to open one.

But starting with conservative investments offered by SG government is a good way to learn bond investment, in my opinion. Some can be very good substitutes for FDs in Msia and SG, like short-term T-bills. Competitively-bidded and quite liquid (for SSB, since can have early redemption though have 2 SGD non-refundable service charge).

The good thing about having DBS account!

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post Jun 29 2022, 01:05 PM

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BT 290622, now from Singapore! (There seems to be free newspapers published by SPH and NY Times in every SG university, sponsored by SPH Foundation.)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oM6fdVDFQv...iew?usp=sharing

Light a bit dimmer here, so expect some "dark corners" in the scanned version. File size around 20 MB, will try to reduce that next time. Not familiar with the iMac computer.

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post Jun 30 2022, 11:33 AM

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BT 300622: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WvWeTUiGM3...iew?usp=sharing
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post Jun 30 2022, 06:52 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Jun 30 2022, 11:33 AM)
Have always appreciated your newspaper publications,... Thank you, bro,....
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post Jul 1 2022, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jun 30 2022, 06:52 PM)
Have always appreciated your newspaper publications,... Thank you, bro,....
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Not available all week long though. I can WFH during this exchange period, so I may go to SUTD only twice or thrice a week.

For example, today no newspaper. tongue.gif

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Aside from newspapers, just curious, do you own a CDP account in SG?
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post Jul 6 2022, 11:15 AM

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post Jul 11 2022, 10:21 PM

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For Astrea bondholders:

FT Opinion: Lex

Private equity: capital call financing speeds up deals
No form of lending can be totally risk-free

(5 HOURS AGO)

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I bet Azalea and Temasek won't tell you this when they promote Astrea bonds. tongue.gif
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post Jul 12 2022, 06:00 PM

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Speaking of Temasek, their 2022 annual review is available today.

https://www.temasekreview.com.sg/

Net portfolio value crosses 400 billion SGD for the first time.

https://www.temasekreview.com.sg/overview/p...e-overview.html

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post Jul 13 2022, 01:25 PM

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BT 130722: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HyjU6QFqeh...iew?usp=sharing

Suntec City's office floor transaction, Temasek's 2022 annual review news and some other wealth advice in the last 2 pages.

Enjoy.

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