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Ramjade
post Jun 5 2017, 09:58 PM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Jun 5 2017, 09:15 PM)
HKEX:1288 - Agricultural Bank of China Limited (HKD 3.65

stumble upon this...

div yield above 5% for a bank....

2017 CNY 0.17 5.19% 1
2016 CNY 0.1668 6.60% 1
2015 CNY 0.182 5.45% 1
2014 CNY 0.177 6.03% 1
2013 CNY 0.1565 5.86% 1
2012 CNY 0.1315 5.15% 1
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I hang seng bank also around that dividend.
Ramjade
post Jun 6 2017, 08:04 AM

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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Jun 5 2017, 10:55 PM)
U buy this counter ? I have not touch HK shares
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No. Don't like that lots of HK broker want to eat my divdend vmad.gif

QUOTE(bearbear @ Jun 5 2017, 11:21 PM)
yes but the price has plunge instead?
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Oil price continue to drop what. OPEC can't do anything. Of course the tension in ME (unfriending Qatar) may jackup oil prices.

bear, don't worry. I teman you in SG first. No money to buy other country stocks. biggrin.gif

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post Jun 6 2017, 09:06 AM

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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Jun 6 2017, 08:33 AM)
I thought you are interested with HK shares. Hmmmmm
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I am but cannoy tahan even HK broker want my dividend (usually in 0.3-0.5% min HKD20-HKD50). Later went I build up my SG portfolio, then I go other place.
Ramjade
post Jun 6 2017, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Jun 6 2017, 09:08 AM)
but HK no withholding tax....

choose those annual div instead qtr or monthly as there is expenses when receiving the div.
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Wait until get standard charterd SG and they won't get my dividend biggrin.gif

Better standard chartered SG vs 8securities (no commision fees but pay dividend fees)
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post Jun 6 2017, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jun 6 2017, 10:02 AM)
Question : The mgmt earlier committed 6.50 Cts/unit for FY17. Why are they talking about 5.33 Cts going up to 5.38 Cts in the above ?
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I think 6.5 is full year dividend. Since FLT already declare dividend, 5.33 is the balance they must pay. So after acquiring propery, the balance of 5.33 will become 5.38. Just my guess.
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post Jun 6 2017, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Jun 6 2017, 12:18 PM)
I m still have get a chance to catch FLIT. do you the price is still high now ? shall I wait ?
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If FLT do rights issue, then yes. Got chance. As cherroy said if do rights price sure will come down as who wants to buy at market price.

If don't do rights, maybe no chance to grab in short term.

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post Jun 8 2017, 10:25 PM

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QUOTE(kyone @ Jun 8 2017, 09:29 PM)
Anyone familiar with MKE monthly saving plan? Their fee tables does not mention anything relevant to withholding tax and dividend handling fees.

*referring to US and HK market
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Better use standard chartered/8 securities and do manual buy.
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post Jun 9 2017, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jun 9 2017, 02:05 PM)
I caught the following write-up about Starhub. I've always wondered if I should continue holding Starhub, or cut loss. The following write-up gives me some ideas on the ability of Starhub to continue paying our distributions.

In a defensive industry, sports strong credit metrics

As Singapore's second-largest telco, Starhub is generally seen as a defensive "cash cow", generating sizable levels of operating cash flow each year. We note that the company is priced on its cash-generative abilities rather than on its asset base, which means the company's debt-to-equity of 507% (as of end-Dec 16) is generally not a good representation of the firm's financial health.

To put Starhub's financials in perspective, the company generated sizable operating cash flows to the tune of S$604.4m and S$637.2m for FY16 and FY15 respectively (before taxes), helping the company to maintain a S$345-346m annual dividend payout to shareholders over the past two financial years. Despite sporting a S$987.5m debt load (as of end-Mar 17), the company paid just S$25.1m in interest costs last year – interest coverage was 27.6X, indicating a very strong ability to service debt. As another measure of financial strength, net-debt to EBITDA (trailing 12-month, as of end-Mar 17) was 0.88X, which suggests that the company can retire all its debt based on operations for less than a year (the end-Mar 17 net debt position was S$586.3m, while FY16 EBITDA was S$690.1m).

While it is unlikely that Starhub would raise S$1b from the issue, even raising such a sizable amount (at a higher 5% p.a. rate) would add just S$50m to interest costs per year. While this would triple interest costs (from S$25.1m in FY16), this would be a "drop in the ocean" relative to the S$600+m operating cash flow generated each year by the company and would not have a significant impact on debt servicing ability (the company's interest coverage is not expected to deteriorate meaningfully with the issuance of the new perpetuals). We would acknowledge that a key risk going forward is the impact of new entrant (TPG) which could hurt profitability of incumbent telcos, although from a bondholders' perspective, the company has a sizable dividend (~S$345m) which it can cut to conserve cash if necessary.

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In short, to make things simple; Starhub can...

1) generate cash of S$600m + every year before TPG comes to bite off part of the mobile cash income
2) payout dividend amount of S$345m every year.

Payout Ratio is only S$(345/600) = 58%.

I forgot,... how much does mobile contribute to the total operating cashflow of Starhub ? Bros Ram, Prince... do you guys know ??
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I am not buying Starhub for 2 reason
1) It's concentrated in SG
2) It pay out dividend by taking loan (something which Digi does but Digi does a better job - as their profit margin is way way higher than the loan)

So I never really study it.

I choose Singtel over Starhub for
1) greater market
2) telkomsel (indon company which singtel owns 30+%) is more profitable than apple (profit margin if I am not mistaken)
3) doesn't depend on telecomnuications alone. I believe they are brnaching out into cybersecurity
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post Jun 9 2017, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jun 9 2017, 06:03 PM)
I shall focus on the above two statements by bro,...

If you look at my earlier posting, as per :-

1) generate cash of S$600m + every year before TPG comes to bite off part of the mobile cash income
2) payout dividend amount of S$345m every year.

Payout Ratio is only S$(345/600) = 58%.

Does Starhub need to borrow to give out dvds ? It s generating almost twice of the cashflow required to pay out dvds. How does your calculation support your above statement ?

Starhub has recently acquired a cyber-security firm too, can't remember the name,... hence, Starhub is going into this field as well,...
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Don't know where I read that Starhub uses debt to pay dividend. So let's assume TPG will take 20% bite out from starhub, that will leave starhub S$480m+. Couple that with Starhub declining free cash flow, do you think it's sustainable?
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Starhub’s dividend payouts have outstripped its free cash flow for the past few years, so that was a sign that the company was struggling to keep up its dividend payments. It was, for this main reason
http://dollarsandsense.sg/can-learn-starhu...rned-nightmare/

https://www.fool.sg/2017/03/17/is-starhub-l...-dividend-safe/

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Starhub on the other hand is the one that choose a unique debt financing structure. Their ratio of Current Liability to Long Term debt to Equity stands at 8 to 9 to 1.

More info on starhub debtshttp://investmentmoats.com/money-managemen...debt-explained/https://www.fool.sg/2014/10/27/is-starhub-ltd-overleveraged/



Which means they are basically funded fully by debt. This is a bloody red flag to alot of people.
http://investmentmoats.com/money-managemen...telecom-stocks/

Remember, gark use to say, if you are looking for dividend stocks, look for free cash flow. That will give you hint whether dividend is sustainable or not. Also, if you are the biggest in the market, "usually" you are safe. Not always though.

Maybe prince_mk/gark/elea88 can comment?

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post Jun 11 2017, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Jun 10 2017, 12:06 PM)
http://singapore-stocks-investing.blogspot...medium=facebook

i am interested in this 3.

i hv MOYA ASIA.

will start homework for the balance 2 this weekend.

anyone hv these water stocks?

any comments?
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Just to let you know, indonesians don't really bother about water treatment.
Reason:
1) they have their own well and pump their own underground water (from rural area -> urban area) aka they are getting free water and not buying water from govt
2) they have a hut build over paddy field where they go...
3) They bother more about cigarette than clean water/nutrition. No cigarette cannot survive. No clean water/proper food no problem laugh.gif


How I know?
I have friends who went there and got a shock shocking.gif blink.gif brows.gif laugh.gif

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Proof
Indonesia faces large challenges in securing municipal water supplies. Access to water is gradually improving in rural areas, but access to clean water in urban areas is an ever-increasing problem. Most Indonesians stillhave to arrange their own water supplies. Many urban dwellers are forced to buy water from vendors at inflated prices. Those that cannot afford it are forced to use polluted sources, such as tainted well water and poor quality river water, creating considerable health risks. Around 32.5 per cent of households rely on low quality drinking water.

Overexploitation of groundwater resources is resulting in critical issues of contamination and salinisation of aquifers. The private companies overseeing the allocation of water resources in Jakarta only supply 40 per cent of demand, forcing commercial businesses and residents to create and rely on illegal wells. This means that groundwater extraction is widely unregulated. Overexploitation of water resources is a significant problem in Indonesia, as attitudes across the country, from rural villages to industry, remain impervious to the importance of water conservation.
http://www.futuredirections.org.au/publica...ecurity-future/

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post Jun 20 2017, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jun 20 2017, 11:22 AM)
just considering...

if i want to get just 1 (ONE) dividend stock in SGX, what would u suggest?
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Frasers CL (the property developer) can give 5+%. No money just ask more money from it's reit thumbup.gif
Tai sin also can give 5%+
UMS but you miss the boat
DBS/OCBC when the price drops can get maybe 4%
Sats

UMS, DBS and Sats are on my watchlist. Will buy when price is right.

Already got tai sin.

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post Jun 20 2017, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jun 20 2017, 12:21 PM)
If just one and only dividend stock, then I pick HPH USD. Can wait for it to come down to around 0.40. Dividend coming in July
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But this counter have reduce it's DPU few times already even though it's own by Li Ka Shing unsure.gif

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post Jun 22 2017, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(bearbear @ Jun 22 2017, 01:42 PM)
netlink IPO go in or not?

seems like the next best thing?
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In la. See whether can get or not. Everyone doing fibre optics in Singapore need to pay them to use their infrastructure. Their psyment is very cheap. Only SGD5 but it got jacked up by the operators themselves. Not sure is SGD5/cable/line/operator customer.

It's basically receiving money from all operators. All they need to do is maintain, add new line, upgrade the fiber optics.

Spurce: Starhub said it themselves.
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post Jun 22 2017, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(bearbear @ Jun 22 2017, 02:14 PM)
sell house throw everything in? laugh.gif
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No. Sell CMT for it tongue.gif
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post Jun 22 2017, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(bearbear @ Jun 22 2017, 02:30 PM)
some claim SINGTEL might pay dividend in form of NETLINK shares drool.gif
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Good. I got singtel. Will bid for IPO. Hopefully singtel does that and I strike my IPO.
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post Jun 27 2017, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jun 27 2017, 01:14 PM)
If the deal has failed, it would have been announced immediately, or perhaps no ann't even,... just status qo and life goes on. But if there is a trading halt, and after 5 hrs, still nothing , then the deal would have been sealed already,... only thing is what are the Ts and Cs of the buyover only,....
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I thought we can vote to agree/disagree with the deal?

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post Jun 27 2017, 09:02 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jun 27 2017, 08:55 PM)
Did a fast holding share holding

Blackrock 6.47%

Vanguard  8.93%

Blackrock's total holdings through their various funds, etc is lesser than Vanguard's.

Blackrock's holding is quite small of the total as you can see. If they are to buy out the other share holders, they will certainly have to offer a lucrative price.
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Don't get confuse. Blackstone (a private equity firm) is the one buying. Not Blackrock. I was confuse also. Both blackrock and blackstone sounds like same company. tongue.gif

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post Jun 28 2017, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jun 28 2017, 11:10 AM)
Pump and Dump tactics
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Micro mechanics not that affected unlike UMS. Maybe not so famous hmm.gif hmm.gif

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Anyone going for Netlink IPO?
Opening date: 10/7 5pm - 17/7 12pm.

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post Jun 28 2017, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Jun 28 2017, 11:42 AM)
can do online meh?
need to go SGX and use the ATM isn't it?

i hv not applied any SGX IPO before.
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If have DBS Vickers can do online biggrin.gif rclxms.gif thumbup.gif This one no choice need to use DBS Vickers already sad.gif Maybank KE prefunded can't do it. Only a direct account with CDP can do it.
But don't know how to go about applying IPO via DBS Vickers sad.gif

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